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Argentina will challenge Uruguay’s decision to expand pulp mill production at The Hague Court of Justice
Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman has confirmed that Argentina will go before the international court of justice at The Hague over the decision of Uruguayan president José Mujica, who on Wednesday authorised increased production at the UPM (ex-Botnia) paper plant. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSuch good friends working together for South American causes. Bollocks!
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0At long last, Argentina are going to the ICJ to press their rightful claim to get the 'Malvinas' back.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0About time they finally got round to this; all that whining and crying about a centuries old injustice and wrongful usurpation was going nowhere.
Well done Senior Timerman!
So, a dispute over a paper mill to the ICJ, but not a claim for the Falkland Islands.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bit ass about face isn't it snr Gollum?
“affects the environmental sovereignty of Argentina,”
Better dust down your navy then. Ahh I see why Argentina is buying Mirage F1s-to bully Uruguay, because.... they can.
What a strange nation! They are quite unable to resolve a relatively minor dispute with a neighbourly friendly nation but refuse to go to the ICJ over the Falkland Islands.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid question here but why are the Argentines trying to stop the Uruguayans from increasing industrial production? It's their own country after all.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Simple, Uruguay is a smaller weaker country - Argentina likes it that way.
Like all bullys, its constantly looking for excuses to big up its very low self esteem.
South American solidarity reduced to PULP! Well done Gollum...
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Pepe halts the expansion, he is following Argentine orders, when Pepe allows the same, Argentina are bullies...
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know what I think?
You lot are a really sad bunch...
This whole thing emphasis the tightrope these smaller neighbouring countries have to walk with Argentina. Could you imagine anywhere else in the world where your supposed bestest friend takes you to court over a pulp mill.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are the most blatant and disgusting bullies.
Every now and then a bully needs to get a bloody nose, I do hope it's the UK that has the pleasure of administering the next one, the last one was very satisfying.
@8
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really don't know the rights and wrongs of this dispute. However, it exposes the utter nonsense of decades worth of lies and indoctrination by the Argentine state regarding 'injustice', 'colonialism', 'usurpation', 'implanted pirates' and other Malvinas myths.
Simple put, Argentina knows full it has a laughably claim and wouldn't dream of going to the ICJ in the same manner as the above.
@8 Let me explain, sunshine. “When Pepe halts the expansion, he is following Argentine orders, when Pepe allows the same, Argentina are bullies...” Can't you see how STUPID your comment is? Argies don't want a production increase, so argies order Pepe to stop it. Argies order Pepe to stop a production increase, he refuses, so they head for the ICJ. Get it? Or was it a heavy night last night? However, they can't stop it. So Uruguay and UPM will continue. I see that Gualeguaychú (source of all previous pollution) is on the march again. Seems to me that they have too much time on their hands. Don't they have jobs to go to? Perhaps they could usefully spend their time clearing up the effluent their hovels produce? How come the argie part of CARU (the binational commission) hasn't published, or even produced, its environmental data? Could it be that the UPM mill is well within international environmental norms? Could it be that the increased production would have no discernible effect? Could it be that argieland is about to splatter its own face with egg? Since tinpotman is involved, I'd say it's highly likely. I'd like to draw a clear distinction here. I am more than happy to cheer on the people of Uruguay (except for Stevie and his ilk), but I do NOT cheer for arch-wimp Pepe. The arch-wimp should “work” for his country. Resign. Let the people choose a MAN. Who else reckons that he looks like a slob?
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its a bit like a divorce settlement - you can't bring yourself to agree (over anything), so you call in an arbiter ... hopefully not a court, a group of barristers, actuaries, solicitors, etc, etc. Argentina may not be able to afford the costs.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe's arse licking of TMBOA has brought him the worst of results. He is like a 16 YO virgin who can’t make up her mind whether to let her boyfriend do it or not. All the prevarication and following a meeting in NY with TMBOA, he finally decides to “allow” the increase. And the result? TMBOA is going to the ICJ, where they lost last time! Stupid is as stupid does.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now we are going to have the same bollocks from the argies living across the river. No doubt this will be a “war” defending the pollution they allow in the river from the argie industries in the BsAs basin.
This plant is the world leader in environmental responsibility in pulp production and has always met the very strict limits imposed upon them. It was originally designed for 1.3 M tonnes so has been under producing from the word go, and the company taking the financial hit that would produce without complaint.
You would think that an unreconstructed commie terrorist, one of only 3,000 terrorists in total which led to the military takeover of the government of Uruguay, would have learnt his lesson. But no, his words quoted in the article that “I regret very much the decision which will generate problems but this will not change my love for the Argentine people”, said Mujica shows his weakness. Too little, too late sums him up.
Without seeing the actual values of the new restrictions I suspect it will have no effect on the plant at all, they have ALWAYS been well within the phosphorus limits. Increasing the stack height was probably on the agenda anyway to improve thermal efficiency.
Stevie's original comment agreed with the TMBOA having a “right” to decide things about the pulp mill (construction) as it was “fair enough”. All in the cause of solidarity no doubt except that TMBOA never sees it that way for Uruguay.
@13 I have to agree with you 100% on this one… Mujica pathetic appeasement policy over all this years towards CFK has made things worse for Uruguay and got him nowhere… I live in a province which is opposition held , and there is just no possible way of having a dignified relation with the Kirchnerite government, miserable and selfish cunts they where always they will try to submit you and screw you right left and center if you let them … Everybody knows that
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then you must ask yourself why Uruguay insists in being Argentina’s and Brazil’s little bitch…
'Falklands oil mega deal to reignite investor interest - A mega deal involving four firms is set to reignite investor interest in Falklands oil exploration. - The first leg of the deal sees the recommended takeover of Desire Petroleum (LON:DES) for £61mln, 17.76p per share, by Falkland Oil & Gas...'
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/61771/falklands-oil-mega-deal-to-reignite-investor-interest-61771.html
'Falkland Oil’s $99 Million Bid for Desire to Speed Up Drilling'
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/61771/falklands-oil-mega-deal-to-reignite-investor-interest-61771.html
'Cristina: the protector of the pirates - Through the purchase of bonds for whitening black money, a company linked to the looters of Falkland desembarcaría at the largest site of the country's non-conventional oil and gas...'
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/61771/falklands-oil-mega-deal-to-reignite-investor-interest-61771.html
'See diplomatic weakness if Belize - The territorial dispute Guatemala with Belize since 1783 has not been fixed for lack of diplomatic skill in certain moments and stages, say experts, who also discusses other cases in the region...'
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/61771/falklands-oil-mega-deal-to-reignite-investor-interest-61771.html
@15 Steve What the hell has dispute over a pulp mill on the Uruguay river got to do with the Falkland Islands.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So CFK finally finds something useful over which the ICJ can adjudicate. No doubt they feel like it is a slam dunk. But it it isn't will they ignore it like they do everything else?
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Steve likes to keep us all upto date with random news from random places on the basis he thinks we cannot type, read or use a search engine under our own volition.
Some questions about ICJ
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina already took Uruguay to this court. Did they pay thier court costs? If not can they be fined for contempt of court?
Can Uruguay call for verbal testimony from Timerman? Can he be sanctioned for perjury if he lies to the court? If he doesntpay can an international warrant be issued forhis arrest?
Can the ICJ issue a temporary injunction against urugay preventingthemfromimplementing the increased authorized production?
Urugauyneeds to mount a more aggresive defence of our rights
Counterclaims before the ICJ on pollution and the non compliance of the CARU and CARP treaties by the Argentine government
Complaints to those flaccid bodies Unasur, Parlasur and Mercosur. That wont do much good but wil keep the issue of Argentine arrogance in the public view
As for the RG proposal to invade Uruguayan terretory on Sunday by the “peaceful” march across the bridge, every single one of them should be made to comply with normal immigration proceedures and a list compiled of who they are so we can knowwho are enemies are
USA still invading countries and killing people like rats, the UK still invading countries and killing people like rats, and we have them here all these Brits and Yanks and some Chileans making all this fuss about something they don't even really care just because it is Argentina involved? The USA is so good that even their own states want to leave the union http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-18791-Citizens-of-20-states-seek-separation-from-the-US and what can we say about the UK? We can say the same thing, the only country that will stay will be England, and that when the UK is not fighting against the members of the EU, commanded by a lunatic like Nigel Farage. You people are so sick minded fools that believe something like this will tear the union between our countries apart. Take time to deal with your own problems, we can do it with our problems alone, without your “help”.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Some days ago you called Uruguay a third world country, a sh*thole, what happens now? Turnip.
@18 Britworker
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slightly disappointing for me to read your post.
The articles I link are stories that I have read, that I thought some of you may find interesting. Many of the smaller stories do not appear in Mercopress.
@16 redp0ll
Nothing. The FI related articles had gone stale.
“will tear the union between our countries apart” Argentina talks of union??? It used to be called in thier political predecessors terminology ANSCHLUSS. Ask the Austrians
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is a striking example why LATAM is an underdeveloped continent.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A local prover states “It is not a pig´s guild, but of whom grate his back” (No es culpa de chancho sino del que le rasca el lomo.). I mean that we face shared responsibilities here, an amateur diplomacy from the Uruguayan side combined with ...I cannot qualify it as diplomacy, from the Argentinian side.
As for the the court, I don´t think the court has a say on this issue, the treaty do not cover every minor change around the river. If, however, the river became polluted and, over the course of many years an agreement were not reach, then the legal path should be considered.
Doing that now is just a bullish way to do it, a blackmail.
Quick! take some deep breaths, a Valium or two and Post some more!
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do love reading a good rant.
@ 20 Gonzo22
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With your pathetic intellect you couldn't deal with 2+2 never mind problems endemic within The Dark Country.
I live in and love Uruguay, but I believe you should always see things for what they are. The medical facilities are great but after that you are “down” to government monopolies for almost everything and they, with the exception of ANTEL are shit.
The government is run by a bunch of wanabe commies who could not run a piss-up in a brewery without losing the brewery. And with the splintered political factions and very small self-interest parties it will always be thus.
But Uruguay a third world country, no, I think we can award The Dark Country that accolade, you deserve it.
All members of the KKK (=Kirchners Kitchen Kabinet) should be advised that thier presence In Uruguay this summer is NOT welcome
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 026) What a farse!! It’s not like the KKK's haven't been laundering the dirty money in Uruguay and purchasing property over the river, while the authorities where turning a blind eye for quite some time. That was until your own defense minister admitted earlier this year after the investigation of Lanata over whole KK money route, that he was aware of the hundreds of clandestine airfields all across the country where black money and drugs fly in from Argentina and Pepe decided to neglect the whole issue in compliance and collaboration with the Argentine government, it’s pretty clear where PP is standing for me, he’s not a little naive victim at all… There are always two sides for every story and you don’t fool me. I’m saying this because I have a deep suspicion that something under the table (maybe a short circuit?) must of happened and this is a smokescreen the Ks have used to punish Uruguay
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may be right CD
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why the UK for 400 years waged wars against defenseless, disorganized, bronze-age tribes in Africa, Asia, India, Australia, Oceania, and North America.
Thank you for the lesson. Now I know that seeking Empire and building empire are both inversely proportional to self-esteem levels. Explains everything about Spain, Germany, France, Holland, Italy, and especially, Britain.
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29)And along comes the anglophobe idiot to divert the thread, and the next thing is falklandist anti argentines (as bad as they are already here) are going to respond in endless threads over and over, and you end up chickening out and despairing until another trending article comes out...Why don't you go and bash the Brits in much more related articles like the Mirage purchase ones ?? This is about URU-ARG relations, now piss off
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 029 think. Oh don't you forget that lovely nation full of European Colonists called República Argentina, and your self-esteem (as a country) must be very low after the last war (400kms from home). Which your army used to practice such military idea's as, tactical retreats, bug outs, braking the Geneva Conventions, making write flags, not feeding your soldiers (its call logistics) , and my favorite Unconditional surrender.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the story, why shouldn't Uruguay do want it wants in their own country?.
@21
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know why they are biting your ankles? I can use Google, but do appreciate you providing links of interest, even if off topic.
But not as off topic as Bronze Age Tribes ; )
Forgot Portugal and Belgium, and Russia, can't forget them.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30
It was the FALKLAND ISLANDER WHO CLEARLY STARTED. To blame the retaliator is ridiculous.
But fuck him he wasback in comment #6, who cares? ... Why do you iniciate the whole thing again you stupid fool ?? Look they already answerd you and you have diverted the thread!!
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are trying to build dialogue HERE?
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tried that almost two years ago. You are wasting your time. They hate you, your country, and the find you filthy, dirty, uncouth, craven, lazy, genetically “different”, culturally contemptable, and your family too.
@18 Britworker
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As 'I believe' you cannot type, read or use a search engine, I have took the liberty to share with you some further developments in the pulp mill dispute...
Personally I cannot see this going to the ICJ...
'UPM wants Argentina-Uruguay to 'break off relations,' Urribarri - Best case scenario for the UPM pulp mill company if Argentina and Uruguay to break off relations, governor of the Entre Ríos province Sergio Urribarri said as he fiercely questioned Montevideo’s recent decision to authorize the Finnish firm to increase its production...'
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/142062/upm-wants-argentinauruguay-to-break-off-relations-urribarri
Environmentally speaking, there is no excuse for returning water 10 degrees + C warmer than the river, especially when that heat costs money.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the levels of Phosphates & Nitrates (as they would exist in the environment) quoted in the BA Herald:
“They are throwing 57 kilos of phosphorus, 142 of nitrogen and 16,540 of organic material into the Uruguay river every day,”
Equates to about 4 bags of fertilizer. How much of that is spread about this rivers catchment area per day, much of which ends up in the river.
16.54 tons of organic material is of course a much bigger figure, however in a river like that it will still only be a bucket full in a small lake.
Amounts like these would simply not be detectable against the background levels in a river like the Uruguay, other than immediately next to the discharge point.
Can’t be the river most pressing pollution problem.
@21 You do post some interesting articles. Please continue to do so. :)
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 035)Yes I actually am!! I’m interested in analyzing and talking over ARG-URU relations, not the Malvinas nor about the evil anglos or whatever … What seems to be the problem about that??… Yes o course they hate Argentina and Argentines, everybody knows that, the difference is that they have a right not to like us just as much as you have a right not to like them but I’m afraid that for most part they seem reasonable and informed people and I’m not here to be liked nor to make any friends. I’m here to discuss things that matter and are interesting for me and plus practice my English. Eventually demanding respect and being respectful as an individual makes the difference, and you can’t expect more than that though I do fool about with Brits and Argentine posters a like depending the character and the seriousness of each commentator……So why are you here then if you have been so for the last two years and haven’t been able to dialogue with anybody constructively??? Or are you here for resentment like many of them are as well??
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, good miracle to you.
@35 i quite like Uruguay Montivideo is a good run ashore, nice people
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just come in from a nice game of golf and decided to look in.
Just thought I would divert the thread. SELF DETERMINATION FOR THE FALKLAND ISLANDERS.
You too, Brutus... Why on earth many of you are repeting yourselfs by heart and diverting threads, blaming and relating Argentina on everything ?? He knows what you think and what you're stance is why are you over and over this.... I guess some people can never change
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 golfcronie
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know you are a very naughty boy!
LOLs
I know he is fooling around but im trying to make a point to both sides...
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bully for you Cabeza.Keep it up. While there is always some underlying xenophobia between any nieghbouring peoples, I dont think Uruguayans hate anyArgentines per se. Its your successive governments who have treated us with such arrogance as if we were children and a subsidiary province of Argentina
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be a reasonable thinking person unlike your so called compatriot who is more interested in self immolation in his own verbosity than anything else
Even though we may differ in our points of view I am perfectly at home engaging in a civilized dialogue with you
@16 & 18
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see nothing untoward with Steve-33-uk's little 'news digests'. You don't have to read them if you don't want to.
@39 CD
Tobias seems to me to be a highly intelligent, quite vulnerable young man who has been subjected to a great deal of, in my opinion, unnecessary abuse. Along the way he has lost his sense of humour and any willingness to have a reasonable debate. I don't believe that he really believes most, if not all of the things he states are true - it's simply defiance. It's become personal for him.
You, on the other hand, seem to have a much thicker skin.
First Steve, perhaps I was a bit brusque, but we Uruguayans are somewhat concerned about the threats to our sovriegnty and a diversion from that topic to the Falklands because it happened to be a slow news day didnt seem quite apt.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza@27
Without proper radar surviellance of all private aircraft 24/7 it is impossible to track them. A light aircraft such as Cessna can land on almost any strip which has the minimum preparation. BUT to land on an illegal strip the aircraft must also have taken off from one. So I ask: How many “hundreds of clandistine airstrips ” are there in Argentina?
36
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thankyou Steve, I had already read the article in the BA Herald regarding a suggested break off of relations between Argentina and Uruguay with alarming amusement.
It is nice to know there is a an actual person with opinions behind the automated messages, feel free to express your opinion more often :-)
46)I can quite relate to that for I’m from the Cordoba (opposition controlled), trust me, I am VERY aware of kirchnerite governments bullying, abuse of power and money in order to discipline opposition and dissidence. I know that most Uruguayans don’t feel like that at all towards argentines and if you look into La Nacion of Argentina and see the comment section you will see that most Argentines think you are being treated unfairly by the KKs. Don’t think that some lazy and bullying Entrerrianos that are paid by this governor crook Uribarri represent Argentine people.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kirchenerites are miserable and envious by nature and will have regard nor accept anybody else that isn’t in the national governments good graces to prosper and develop by their own means without submitting first… It is not surprising they think they can also treat Uruguay in the same way. But I think Pepe made a big mistake going over extent trying to recompose relations after Vazquez left office, because you are either with them and their corruption or you are against them as simple as that
47)If that so you should of perhaps defended or stud by him some time ago…
I did feel this clear god cop-bad cop scenario Argentine bloggers are faced here which is difficult as more dialogist and open commentators are engaging and you have 2 or 3 trolls attacking you at the same time or at least disintegrating the point you are trying to make..
@20 Well, Muppet, you'll have to show us where the USA and UK are “still” invading countries and killing people like rats. In case you have a problem with “concepts”, you start by “invading” and then you “occupy”. To continue “invading”, you need to go to other countries. I trust that you are in a position to PROVE that the rats, wherever they are, aren't rats. Would you know a rat if you saw one? Or are you surrounded by them? If the only “place” left in the British Isles is England, I will be happy. It's the best place in the world. Temporarily infested by rats.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I really call Uruguay a third world shithole? I was just trying to get it some tourists. Perhaps I shouldn't have talked it up!
@29 Strange! The UK didn't exist 400 years ago. But it is nice to know that argie scum, murdering war criminals are nothing to do with Europe. Surfaced in their own cesspit. I guess it explain what you have for “brains”. Shit!
@35 Oh no. That's just what you Campora turds would like proper Argentines to believe. Perfectly willing to have a dialogue with an intelligent person. Pity for you that you are neither.
@50
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is with Uruguay is that it has got way way too close to Argentina politically in recent years, to the extent that Argentina just takes Uruguay for granted, and has no respect for them anymore. It has become almost expected that Mujica will support any madcap idea Kirchner and her henchmen come up with. And now Uruguay have had the mordacity to be objective with Argentina for the first time in years and they are threatening to break off relations and take you to the international court.
What kind of friend does that? Argentina's behaviour towards Uruguay is born out of a complete lack of respect for them as underlings and is a direct result of Mujica's repeated capitulation towards them.
Argentina is a sinking ship. Did you not watch Titanic? If you stay too close you will get sucked down with them - you better start paddling!
48) About the question you made me well you answered yourself… There is probably hundreds all over the place, and even though we have a far larger border Its vox populi that the vast amount of drugs come from Bolivia into Tartagal, Salta via land and find its way through Chaco and Formosa to the Ruta 11 down into the Province in Santa Fe. Rosario is very hot at this moment as it’s a port, a distribution center to the rest of the country and a consumption capital itself…
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Uruguay can do is get external aid ( The Americans always provide in that kind of stuff. Wikileaks exposed Anibal Fernandez arse-licking in the US embassy in ‘09 for money and radars to control the bolivian border and talking behid Evo Morales’s back… He famously said in that occasion No podemos ganar (contra la droga) pero no quiero perder por goleada….”)
But I think just like what happened in Argentina, in Uruguay with a much more shorter border to control its a case of lack of political commitment rather than lack of Money
@44
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christ, you should have seen the putt I had on the 18th green, I swear it was all of 3 feet.
@48
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With a fence, drones, radar, and a civil war south of it's border, the USA has absolutely NO CONTROL over drug flow.
Junkies will be junkies.
@53 Cordobes, you seem to be a pretty hard headed (excuse the pun!9 and pragmatic bloke. I leave the drug business in abeyance for the present as its a subject in itself
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a pragmatist, do you see any hope of anyone cleaning the Augean Stables of successive inept and corrupt governments in Argentina?
Its not an attack and I really would be interested in your opinion
In fact I do, im optimistic… Just a few months ago we were very scared of another crushing victory of the FPV like it had in 2011, getting enough law makers in, reforming the constitution and enabling the reelection of Cristina, and modifying the Consejo de la Magistratura to get her judges in (as if she didn’t have enough judges and power over the judicial power already) and Chavizaze the country… So there are basically 2 options left and all of them are far more positive than kirchnerism; the peronists are talking and uniting under the leadership of Massa opposite to Scioli and there is a consensus amongst them that they should settle their differences democratically and in primaries like Menem and Cafiero did in 1989. Im not a peronist supporter myself but I recognize that there is a generation change ongoing there. They are corrupt yes but they will not engage in any ideological stupidity which is the root of kind of stuff you people laugh about daily in MercoPress, that will end for sure … The Pope is going to be used symbolically for this “reunification” process. The other tendency is this progressive democrat alliance resurging which might be represented by Binner, Sanz or Cobos in 2015 which will be the best option for healing the institutions and republicanism.
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is of course two question intertwined however that remain one is how will CFK take defeat and the melting of her power and the fear of herself and her cronies of the tribunals of Comodoro Py after 2015 and the vengeance of the Peronists.(will she end in 2015 or earlier?) The other one is who will pay the political cost of the party bills of Kirchnerism hopefully reality strikes before 2015 (megadevaluation). You must ask me this question after October elections because things will be more clear and I can tell whats going to happen with better detail..
Whoever comes I doubt will treat Uruguay like this..... ;-)
CD Thank you for your incisive analysis of Argentine politics. I cant say I understand the intracacies so will refrain from comment
Oct 04th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are the Tribunales de Comodoro Py? Couldnt find anyhing about thier function on the net
No I do not laugh at the antics of the KKK government cabal. As thier popularity falls I think they are going to do something really stupid
I'm afraid the only alternative to CFK is a military dictatorship with pure fascist ideology. Anything less than that (i.e. a “diplomatic, pro-international community government”), and the foreign nations of Europe, North America, and Latin America will move in to finish us off.
Oct 04th, 2013 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@59 I sincerely hopeyou are wrong. Perhaps you are too young to have lived through the last epoch of Latin American military dictatorships and dont recall how those regimes disappeared thier own citizens, without any interference from either Europe or North America
Oct 04th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0redpoll Its true there is not anything about the federal court of Comodoro Py on the web… The Tribunales of Talcahuano where the supreme court of justice is does appear on the web. Those are the main courts you have here.
Oct 04th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that all politicians accused of corruption, abuse of power and illegal enrichment end up judged in Comodoro Py . Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the judicial system here can explain much better than I can...
I think that a lot of embarrassing stuff like for example; the Iran arrangement business and then asking the American’s to interfere after they messed up and are anti American foreign policy, all the stupid stuff argentine politicians like Timerman and Cristina say and do makes the laughing stock of the World, it’s just impossible to start counting and it’s a never ending nightmare for many of us… But ut least we now know that there is life after 2015 or at the end of the tunnel, so no Truth PaTroll I don’t agree with you and neither of the two first options are going to occur
Bravo!
Oct 04th, 2013 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina takes the really important issues - such as a paper mill - to the ICJ, but leaves the minor issues - e.g. the sovereignity over the Falkland Islands - to be solved by public lamentation.
Now, assume the ICj ruling goes against Argentina, will she abide by it? what does the scoreboard say?
I notice that poor Gonzo22 (el nabo) in #20 thinks that the US and UK are papermills in Uruguay. They ain't, my dear ackward child, they ain't.
Oct 04th, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 21 Steve-33-uk
Oct 04th, 2013 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0tranquil amigo.
Some of us appreciate your links - not all of them interesting, but you can't win them all - why, you can't even break even.
And in fact that is the most summarized way I could have answered your question…. Following argentine politics is fascinating and you have to have a cynical, pragmatical and machiavellian edge to understand them and that has led me to clashes with Brits and other nationals because they have a different view and understanding of the world and Argentina…To put it in other words it’s following Argentine politics is like watching the Game of Thrones but with no porn in it...
Oct 04th, 2013 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50 CabezaDura writes: “and you have 2 or 3 trolls attacking you at the same time”
Oct 04th, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, you could always choose to ignore them.
BTW: Comodore Py http://wikimapia.org/#lang=es&lat=-34.587662&lon=-58.369138&z=17&m=b&permpoly=1128789
Yes of course Comodoro Py exists and there is the adress of it and pictures on the web !!
Oct 04th, 2013 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0What I was looking for is the actual function of the court and what kind of cases it considers
Some serious brotherhooding going on here...
Oct 04th, 2013 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome back Paraguay!
And of course, Venezuela isn't going anywhere ;)
Courts of Comodoro Py = Tribunales de Comodoro Py.
Oct 04th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Federal Court of Appeal in Criminal cases = Cámara Federal de Casación Penal
Federal National Chamber of Appeals in Criminal cases in BsAs = Cámara Nacional de Apelaciones en lo Criminal y Correccional Federal de la Capital Federal
http://www.jus.gob.ar/media/295997/CASACION.pdf
http://www.jus.gob.ar/media/295997/CASACION.pdf
Well the pollution figures have been released
Oct 04th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by the Uruguayan authorities, fully monitored by independent scientific analyses.
Herr Hector Himmlermans answer? Alotof unsupported scaremongering figures which are totally divorced from reality
This man is making his country totally ridiculous,which even the terka Widderwoman must realize. So why hasnt he been sacked long ago?
Perhaps he knows too much about where some bodies are buried?
@ 59 The Truth PaTroll
Oct 04th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it not possible to have a diplomatic, pro-Argy, pro-international community government?
I struggle to believe CFK is your best, never mind only option.
@ 60 redp0ll
Eastern Europe was busy disappearing their own citizens, Western Europe and North America were busy making sure they were not next.
Also with no interference.
The world was different for everyone back then.
70) Uruguay expects visitors in Fray Bentos....Prefects are expecting them. Only 4 of them can pass in and hand over a request to the Mayor
Oct 04th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.urgente24.com/219431-maxima-tension-uruguay-se-moviliza-para-impedir-el-cruce-de-asambleistas
Beware of Timerman, he will be coming for you on Sunday just as he did with Obama....
http://www.urgente24.com/219431-maxima-tension-uruguay-se-moviliza-para-impedir-el-cruce-de-asambleistas
Uruguay should gave the “ asambleistas” some souvenirs, I don't know, local stuff, both useful and fair, say... paper! while they visit the Fray Bentos town.
Oct 04th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would even suggest the kind of paper it should be gifted, some perfumed toiled paper.
@72 and @73 Your jocular comments are appreciated in the spirit that you wrote them. Unortunately the Grand Wizardress of the KKK is a meglomaniac totally divorced from reality and takes orders from the grave of Nestor,the Grand Cyclops.Not to mention her syphocant henchman Herr Himmlerman, the buffoon of international dipomacy
Oct 04th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A NECESARY DEBATE.
Oct 07th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If arg. decided to recur to the court, for it's conflict with uruguay, it's because it's evident that it's sure that our country can win the case, that's why, i think that we all should wonder why neather arg. nor the u. k. decide to do the same, in relation to the malvinas-falkland cause.
In the case of arg., it's strategy is based on claiming for our legitimate rights over the islands, before the u. n. and before other int. scenarios, beside, it builds alliances with different countries in order to get more support for our claim.
In the case of the u. k., since 1982 it has always expressed that it won't discuss with arg. about the sovereignty, untill the islanders wisht it. beside, it defends the soposed rights to self determination for the population from the islands, which is actualy a new colonial caprice. I know that many of you will insult me after this, but accept it or not, since 1965, the u. n. has always considered this cause, as a special case, beside, that institution has never invoked the right to self determination in any of the resolutions which reffer to this cause, as it did for other colonial situations, on the other hand, all resolutions have always called both countries to resume the negotiations and solve their differences, without making any refference to self determination for the islanders, in fact, i recommend you to read the statements of the lawmakers from the islands, where they complain about the way that this cause is still considered by the decolonization committe from the u. n.
In 1884 and 1888 arg. suggested taking the case to the arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., but in 1947 g. b. manifested arg. that it would be disposed to discuss about the cases of south g. and sand. before the court, but it hadn't included the malvinas in that idea, after that year, there was not any other proposal of arbitration.
Perhaps both countries aren't sure of getting a positive result for them before court.
Axel, there is conflict between Argentina and Uruguay besides the one your government fabricate mixing lies and sheer madness. Besides, presenting the case to the International Court is a mockery, knowing Argentina will not comply with the court's recommendations if CFK doesn't like them.
Oct 07th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About the Falklands, Argentina messed up the whole case by invading (and losing) the islands back in 1982. Now it is unthinkable an agreement could be made to transfer them to Argentina, without the consent of its population. After all, even if the Argentinian claims were valid and true, Argentina lost the war over it, losing any rights at the same time.
Timermans latest note to uruguay which almost amounts to an ultimatum should be returned via the Argentine ambassador in Montevideo as unacceptable
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