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Cristina Fernandez wants Argentine tourists to remain and visit Argentina
The administration of President Cristina Fernandez is preparing a package of measures in an attempt to further impede the outflow of hard currency, mainly US dollars, for which it is planning to establish a double exchange rate system. The measures target tourism, a bill of 8 billion dollars which has become dearer than the energy deficit. Read full article
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Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0And repoll complained about the port situation... This would hurt Uruguay a lot more.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's time to diversify our dependency of tourism, not only targetting Argentines of the sort.
Argentina is having her issues and in her attempt to solve the situation, we get to share the shite on this side of the river. Nothing new, it's always been like that, but I'd love to see some less dependency from our part.
What! All the previous measures didn't work?
Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who would have thunk it?
Could someone explain exactly what is meant by Kirchnerism? Is it a policy or what? Seriously could an Argentine explain it to me, as I keep hearing about it, is it like Communism, Maoism, Socialism, Marxism? I have heard and understand the former but Kirchnerism?
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0So they're alienating even cheerleaders like yourself?
@4 it's actually kneejerkerism misspelt. There isn't actually a policy though.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It will work with a few people but those who own property in Uruguay, and there are a lot of Argentines who do, will take no notice because their money is already here in many cases.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The other thing is of course WTF wants to “holiday” in The Dark Country when they can escape TMBOA and all her thugs for a few weeks?
@ 2 Stevie
You don't seriously expect Pepe to have been working on this during his years of “ruling” as he so delicately (NOT) puts it do you? That would expose the fact that there is no love l;ost between the argies and us. Oh sorry, me, because you are not here are you?
All these measures are futile, RGland is slowly but surely sinking below the waves (like its Navy!). She reminds me of King Canute! The coffers are empty, the shortages are increasing, the vultures are circling, the inevitability of total collapse is looming. The nightmare of the 10 peso dollar is a reality. The outside world, which has been treated with disdain is turning against this rogue state and its corrupt and incompetent administration.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Implosion wont be long now...
I don't understand the problem with this. The more argies that stay within their own borders the better. In fact, all the ones overseas should be recalled. Sending argies overseas doesn't really match what the NSA can do, but it's the best argieland can manage. “Our Man In Havana” is still required reading. But they do stand out a mile since they have to be approved by Maximo! Meet an argie “agent” and slag off CFK. Watch for the reaction.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0' “Our Man In Havana” is still required reading.' Conq.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0?
Re-read it last month; fail to see the relevance!
... Delusional British vaccuum salesman sets up war-time imaginary spy-ring to investigate imaginary Hun activities in Cuba - gets a gently British come-uppance.
Strange choice, Conq.
Rather than add currency controls on top of currency controls why don't they stop and ask themselves what to do about Argie's lack of confidence in their own peso.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should be looking for ways to make the peso more appealing not less so.
The best hedge against inflation and currency control in Argentina is a new car .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You buy it on easy credit terms in pesos , depreciation is minimal as there is a fairly limited supply of new cars , your debt is eaten up by 30% annual inflation and you have a saleable asset that you can sell for dollars . Kerching !!!!!
I am coming to Argentina by my full pocket to obtain Argentine citizenship from one of its states.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 013. Unless you are from Bolivia or Paraguay having an Argentinian citizenship is pretty worthless. They need a visa to go to any legitimate country. Nobody wants them to even visit unless they can prove they won't overstay and become a waiter.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 012. That is sad. Argentina is the only country in the world where used cars go up in value. It confused me when I first moved there but like it when I moved!
Argentina will try (like Venezuela) multiple exchange rates. It will work for about a day then the blue Peso will quadruple in a year ( like Venezuela) BA is Caracas of the South. The best thing that could happen is Crissy never gets back out of bed. Maybe She is dead like Chavez was for a what 6 months before they actually ever told anyone?
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Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but i am not a ordinary person
i am coming to Argentina for a few special project.
@14 : An improvement on the car buying model is to open a car rental company . The rentals pay the finance on the cars , that's the butter, whilst under the counter dollar rentals to tourists , or overseas credit card bookings in dollars, are the jam .
Nov 04th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW : Is there a local futures market in BA ? You can't go wrong with wheat at the moment , surely .
The balance of trade is heavily in Argentinas favour,so what we should do is only allow Argentine imports against certificate of Uruguayan goods exported to RA and secondly stipulate that any such imports can only be paid for inArgentine pesos
Nov 04th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Nov 04th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A friend of mine has been stocking stale bread for a while. People are still buying it as it is 1/4 of the price of edible bread. He is making a killing...
@10 Oh dear. And so you display your lack of intelligence. But I'll help your lack of neurones. Delusional argies set up “spy” rings to elicit “intelligence” that could be obtained from newspapers. They “investigate” British “operations” against argieland. The British garrison to protect the Falklands. The 4 RAF Typhoons that are more capable than the entire argie “air force”. The British warships that could destroy the argie “navy” in less than an hour. Argie “intelligence” operations in the Falkland Islands. There's a start. Where has argieland given any evidence of “intelligence”? And the argie response? Impotent and ineffectual. Not that I didn't say it was an exact representation. Just what argies would like it to be. In truth, argieland couldn't defeat Britain in the next thousand years. If then. Subject to the requirements of the British people, Britain will retain the ability to wipe argieland off the face off the face of the planet. Britain just needs a reason and an excuse. Do you not understand that Britain plays the long game? Argieland would be pressed to look more than a few months ahead. How considerate of Britain to allow argieland to continue to exist in the hope that it might use reason. How about “Stay away from our territories or we will kill you”. That seems “reasonable”!
Nov 04th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Conq.
Its either the film of the book or the book of the film - either way it would make a good script
:-)
Trouble is of course, that Argentine tourists want to travel abroad, where they can afford to buy both meat, bread and tomatoes.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 8 Faz
“She reminds me of King Canute!”
Are you sure? King Cnut was generally remembered as a wise and successful king of England.
The completely distorted myth of Ruler of the waves, in the real world took place like the following:
Cnut set his throne by the sea shore and commanded the tide to halt and not wet his feet and robes. Yet “continuing to rise as usual [the tide] dashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person. Then the king leapt backwards, saying: 'Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.' - the chap simply wanted to disgrace his flatterers, and Henry of Huntingdon cites it as an example of the king's ”nobleness and greatness of mind”.
Apparently you can get an all expences paid holiday to Gualeguaychu by boat, but the problem is you will have to go to Uruguay first and then cross the bridge as the river to Gualeguaychu in un-navigatable due to plastic bottles and chemical waste. Good luck with that.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if any argies “males” (what an oxymoron) want to see what they are up against;
Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AND
For the females to see what they would LIKE to be up against:
Then have a look at this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/10424891/Go-Commando-charity-calendar.html
And then cry your eyes out (both sexes for different reasons).
Now, I haven't looked, as the content is obvious.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But a thought struck me, old man.
Why were you looking at them?
@23
Nov 04th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the real reason you fled your intolerant country and off to Uruguay. As limpid water in clarity.
@19
How I adore your complancency, the 'long game' of seeing if there is a “UK” next year. Quite long term.
And as for wiping off, in 10 years the Chinese will be able to wipe you out, without even launching a rocket or destroying a single building. Just erradicate the population. You have no idea.
@14
That's not what desperate Americans trying to get rid of their american passport that targets them for certain death and scorn say. So many americans going around the world doing whatever it takes to get rid of their nationality, so despised and disrespected... How many Americans do I hear, if they cannot leave the USA for good, travel every _x_ number of months/years to another country in order not to lose residency and the chance to become citizen of somewhere else. Sad extremes.
TIT
Nov 04th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That's not what desperate Americans trying to get rid of their american passport that targets them for certain death and scorn say. So many americans going around the world doing whatever it takes to get rid of their nationality, so despised and disrespected... How many Americans do I hear, if they cannot leave the USA for good, travel every _x_ number of months/years to another country in order not to lose residency and the chance to become citizen of somewhere else. Sad extremes.”
I'm sure there are many residents of Mendoza who would gladly trade their Argentine citizenship with Americans
25. Oh gosh there were .00000013% or our pop/yr USA citizen relinquishing their citizenship mainly because they think our taxes are too high.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG how will we stand the attrition!
I wish the 250K illegal Rgs in Miami would go home but how would our pools get cleaned!
Oh no the tragedy.
Even if you could afford to come here we probably wouldn't allow it. Mostly the Rgs fly to Mexico and cross with a Coyote.
I can give you the number if you want.
@26
Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you they would not. And those few that do, only for the $$$, not for the prestige, as there is none in being American any longer. This is 2013, not 1960
@ 25 The Truth Bignostrills
Nov 04th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That's not what desperate Americans trying to get rid of their american passport that targets them for certain death and scorn say. So many americans going around the world doing whatever it takes to get rid of their nationality, so despised and disrespected”
Why are you telling these really **stupid** lies.
Any American citizens can get rid of their American citizenship by declaring that they don't want it through a well defined process.
Being despised and disrespected by the likes of TTT would be as worrisome as passing a loud fart in library!!!!!
Nov 04th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now the unmighty clever self deluded CFK will convince argentines to remain, stay in Argentina,
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the people not realise that they are being controlled by a self imposed dictator,
And being kept prisoners in their own country. Lolol .
Still,
If CFK can persuade them, that they are all in this together, it might just work.
Mind you Cameron tried that one, and it’s failed miserably lol.
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~300 U.S. citizens give up their citizenship a year-nearly all superrich, and the favorite new destination is Singapore which doesn't tax unearned income.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The U.S. region is amazingly desirable. I have more than six friends who have married non-U.S. spouses (from Canada, Germany, England, etc,) every single spouse male or female moved to the U.S. :)
@ 24 Stevie
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of my Managers was a Reserve Commando from 42 Commando and although he was not very tall and very peaceful by nature he was as tough as nails.
Plus I like seeing young men with muscles on muscles just waiting to rip the head off an argie and shit down his neck.
Don’t forget the Falklands you argies and the kicking your girls had then will be nothing to what you will have if ever you attack the islands again.
OK now then Stevie?
@ 25 TTTransvestite
Piss off you little wanker back to your mommy in the scrub land of Mendoza (courtesy of CD).
I came to Uruguay for the health of my wife, you know, the one thing a little prick like you will never have.
@ 30 reality check
Wonderful mental picture that brought up!
But I think in hindsight a SMALL FART would have the same effect and be truer to life. Ha, ha, ha.
So if they've got $4 Bs in liquid reserves and they're losing at LEAST a $B a month- in three months this will get interesting.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This got me thinking about the USA and Argentina regarding their degradation of their most productive farmland though overuse, over pesticide spraying and under fertilization. The USA always plays the long game, do you think we deliberately let stupid Rgs ruin their soil so that the USA would make even more on our farming? Could that be possible? Ieman you let them have a decade of good production so they get greedy and kill the golden goose. Stupid and desperate people do that all the time.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm
I wonder
bahahahaha
They can always visit the Falklands which according to their fascists in the foreign office are Argentine... then they can tax them on what they bring home since, IIRC, the realpolitikos at the Argentine customs office correctly recognizes it at foreign soil.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can tell you this much, Cabeza.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never faked an account. Ever.
I don't feel the need to create an account just to back up what I believe in.
Had it been for need, a quarter of an account would more than suffice...
If I remember correctly “Guzz” was banned for really crass and inappropriate posts.
Nov 04th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Stevie is right he didn't fake a new account he opened one in a different name.
‘Argentinidad’, for this romantic; ‘saudade’ for my southern soul.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0A vast and wild natural beauty to set against the exotic of Buenos Aires and my love, the continent’s tropical climes.
One of the world’s largest countries, this titanic ‘wedge’is constantly undermined by Chile - subducted under the Cordillera de los Andes by Chile’s tectonic plate.
The Andean western pinnacles of staggering condorian grandeur. The Parque’s glaciers … disappearing before our very eyes.
Drift the dry high plain steppes - punerian altiplano of the north west; with its pre-Columbian ghosts haunting the Quilmes ruins.
The still-fertile gaucho pampas of Argentina’s midriff, defined by cortaderas.
From Che’s Rosario and Cordoba’s land of Gardel’s Por una Cabeza and Libertango to blasted Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego, where I will, one day, trace Fitzroy, Darwin, Butch Cassidy, the Welsh and … Think.
I will stand ashore Valdez’ and hear the sigh and slap of southern right whales … and perhaps die there, a fulfilled man.
For those than can afford the flights, this is a beautiful and vast land to stay and enjoy.
Geoff, I said long ago foreign tourists would stop going to Argentina when it got too expensive.
Nov 05th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a very long and expensive flight to BA. The hotels are decent but pricey and the top tier hotels cost as much as London. That is crazy! BA is not London by a long shot. It is dirty, run down, filled with garbage and dangerous.
Outside of BA, no matter where you go there is nice scenery but it is expensive and the planes are unreliable. You can't jet to Iguazu, TDF or Bariloche as a tourist unless you leave yourself a few days in between because you have to worry that you'll miss your plane back home.
Also you can see gorgeous mountains etc if you are willing to look past the graffiti and garbage.
If not for American Charities and U$ protecting large swaths of Patagonia it would be a disaster there.
I won't go back to Arg until they have another crisis. Which may be next year, who can say.
@40 : Flights are going to be more expensive this season on account of the World Cup in Brazil .
Nov 05th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks to the internet , the whole world is aware of the vivezas that all tourists are subjected to in Argentina , and the apalling crime rate , putting yet more people off travelling there .
Mind you, getting into Argentina is easy,
Nov 05th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Getting out is a different matter..lol
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2013 January to August: Argentines spent 409.712 million US$ more abroad than international tourists spent in Argentina.
Nov 08th, 2013 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/142400/tourism-deficit-down-us97m
It ain't so easy to keep them locked up. Where did they go?
British media highlights 103,500 Argentine tourists 'invasion' to Great Britain
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/142400/tourism-deficit-down-us97m
I flew to Iguazu from Newbery in January, though I flew LAN. I did have a delay both ways......a last minute 4 hour delay leaving and a 2 two leaving back to BA City.
Nov 10th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Argentina needs a lot of work......but I think it's not much different that of Hunts Point Bronx, East LA, Detroit, 9th ward NOLA and parts of Miami. We have our share of urban neglect. I certainly do not support peronists, kirchners et al. Most of the people I've met there are decent so I can't pounce on Argentina for the sake of them being Argentine. I do think things may change........but not the way WE perceive it should change. I served in the military long enough to know they it does not work trying to inflict or way of life on other cultures. One day US Americans will absorb that concept.
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