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Uruguay complains at Mercosur against Argentine resolution limiting ports' transshipments
Uruguay made a formal complaint against Argentina before Mercosur regarding the administration of President Cristina Fernandez decision banning Argentine exports from transshipment in Uruguayan ports. The complaint was filed on Wednesday in Caracas at Subgroup 5 which addresses Mercosur maritime transport by Uruguay's Deputy Transport minister Pablo Genta. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThese two seem loveable enemies,,
Nov 14th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or
Or bitter sweat friends.
So they say lol
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No reason to complain.
Nov 14th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay received at typical Argentine “Thank you” for support in the Falklands dispute.
sweet friends,] sorry..
Nov 14th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Complaining to Mercosur, yeh, good luck with that one
Nov 14th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay has placesd itself in a weak negotiating position and should sign the agreement.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Economic warfare.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Economic warfare IS warfare.
Come on, Pepe, 'call a spade a spade'.
@@6 Yes Gooff, you are right.
Nov 15th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The wholeBotnia controversy wasmotivated by spite when the Finnish company wouldnt pay the bribes demanded bythe Kirchner gang and the company decided to build the mill on the Uruguayan bank of the river,resultingin a fouryearblockadeofthe international bridges by aNestorian rent-a-mob with theobject of preventing Argentine tourists spending thier money in Uruguay
Added to that, the Argentine intentional dilatoriness in deepening the Martin Garcia channel in an effort to strangle the portof Nueva Palmira.
The dollar clamp suits the gang just fine. They can get thier U$D at the official rate, take an hours trip on the ferry to Uruguay,sell thier dollars at the blue rate ,return to BA and repeat the whole process ad nauseam.
Isee the Uruguayan bishops have now asked Ppe Francis to intervene in the dispute.Now THATS going to be interesting if he takes it up
The restrictions on trade. Banning FI flageed vessels and transhipment of goods in Montevideo, restricting Uruguayan exports etc etc etc.
Argentinepays lip service to expandng trade with Paraguay. Much of Py´s exports goby barge trains down the international waterwy the Parana for transhipment at - you guessed it-Nueva Palmira!
All of a sudden the Argentine authories “for safety reasons” have drastically reduced the number of barges that atug can pull at any one time
Mercosur was a good idea as a trade area until it became politicized. The murderer? Argentina. The sooner a death certificate of judicial murder is forthcoming the better.
@7 I've read your post. Do you think it would be fair to call argieland corrupt and criminal? But we want to be helpful, don't we? Are there any features of international law, international treaties or the UN Charter that argieland hasn't breached? But could many of the problems be solved by decapitating every other argie? And amputating things from the rest!
Nov 15th, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit drastic your Final Solution to the Argentine problem perhaps Conqueror?
Nov 15th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are a civilized nation and to decend to the present lawlessness of the Argentine government is to reduce us to thier level.
Yes I would agree that Argentina has never paid any attention to rules and treaties not to thier liking, among others thier agreement with the Welsh colony in Patagonia, abrogated unilaterally after just 34years by the BA government.
Peronism is a relict political philosophy from the 30s and 40s.Hitler gone,Mussolini, gone, Franco dead and Stalin, another side of the same coin also dead.
When will these people grow up?
What are the possibilities of Murcosur actually doing anything? can Murcosur do anything? can anything be done?
Nov 16th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If not then this sort of pain at the hand of Argentina, is set to continue for Paraguay and Uruguay.
Uruguay back Argentina on the Falklands, but Argentina still sh*t on you, give them an inch they will take a mile.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am questioning my earlier posting, that economic warfare is war waged by other means.
Nov 18th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe Argentina and Uruguay to be at war.
Clausewitz variously said “War is an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will”, and is “..nothing but a wrestling match on a larger scale.”….”War is the continuation of Politik by other means“ (Politik = ”policy“ or ”politics”).
Argentina has the scope (just) to use Real War in addition to political intercourse. *Politics* per se is not suspended, or its rules changed, during ‘war by any means’; political dialogue continues into any subsequent ‘peace’.
So, let’s test Clausewitz’ parameters and see if there is an underlying war taking place.
His trinity—primordial violence, hatred, and enmity (= violent emotion / chance (= opportunity) / rational calculation) is met. But the history of adjacent states in troubled economic times makes this ‘a given’.
We should see Clausewitz’ players and war conditions as being present:
the economy and technology of the age, the social characteristics of the non-military and the military players, and the commanders' politics and psychology.
Though this war is not (yet) being played out militarily, all the other war-pieces are deployed and are in play.
‘Total War’ is engaging the entire populations of both countries – they ‘feel the economic pain’, they have propagandised external ‘enemies’ and now have – with Pepe’s new balls – the dialectic between opposing wills.
Yes, there is the Enlightenment’s ‘Chaos of War’, but this is the endemic chaos of economies in trauma, not (yet) the Chaos (‘Fog’) of Total Economic War … this is CFK’s ‘rational calculation’ to dominate the enemy.
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Go on....
Nov 18th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Though this is economic Real war, it is not economic Total war.
Nov 19th, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is being fought by CFK to “disarm” the enemy and render Uruguay politically helpless. Complete defeat is – these days - not necessary, desirable, or even possible.
International politics and economies have, at the core, the struggle for power. Argentina would like to be seen as the power-broker of the Southern Cone. There needs to be ‘wins’ for it to be so seen. Paraguay, Venezuela and Uruguay are the battlegrounds for ‘winning’. Only by winning can Argentina be weighed against Brasil.
Moltke’s assessment of the ‘fog’ requires ‘military genius’; economic war requires economic genius … which – here - is conspicuous by its absence;
and, as Clausewitz says, “habitual aggressors are likely to end up as failures”.
Lenin stressed that ”Politics is the reason, and war is only the tool, not the other way around. Consequently, the military point of view is subordinate to the political”. But Lenin never lived in South America, nor in a globalised world.
Economic war is the new expression of war by extra-politikal means … and it is being played out along the river frontier of la Plata.
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This is not a new type of war;
the Anglo-Irish Trade War, aka 'The Economic War', was a retaliatory trade war between the Irish Free State and the United Kingdom (1932 – 38).
It’s well worth checking out, given the Irish influence in the Argentine history of warfare.
Yes Geoff,
Nov 19th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The agreement that Argentina should have access to tax data of thier citizens living in Uruguay was our economic Sudetenland
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