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Kennedy killed by CIA conspiracy for acting weak with Cuba, claims Maduro

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President John F Kennedy was murdered by a CIA conspiracy including groups linked to the anti-Castro and Sicilian mafias because he was 'weak' with Cuba, claimed Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro who remembered events of 50 years ago in Dallas. Read full article

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  • reality check

    A CIA conspiracy with links to the Mafia and anti Casstro groups. That's a lot of people involved and they have managed to keep it a secret for half a century?
    Think not.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    Maduro Maduro who remembers events 50 years ago in Dallas, was born born 23 November 1962, almost exactly one year before J. F. kennedy was murdered.

    Excellent memory for a baby - or did a small bird tell him all about it?

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    What an appaling comment and this from a person who purports to lead a country!

    It appears that, in the americas, the paranoia and sheer stupidity increases the further South one goes.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The clown is back on stage to “impress” us all with his knowledge!

    Ha, ha, ha.

    I wonder who will be blamed when he gets topped?

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    He needs to stop smoking weed.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Jesus, Is this story a wind up?

    Is maduro really allowed to show his stupidity in public in this manner?

    Holy baby jesus, I feel heart felt sorrow for anybody who has had that eejit put upon them as a fcuking 'leader'.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The free world shows hollywood movies for what they are.....entertainment....venezuela shows them for educational purposes and training tools. Then again.......isn't Batman responsible for the murder rate in Venezuela? Maybe he is showing this on “government TV” so others will look for maduro's “magic” bullet.
    #6 Maduro has taken stupidity to a new level and has shown that stupidity can be blended with science for perfection and replication and a certain level of art for individualism.....as no one can show they are as stupid as maduro.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I thought Spiderman did it?

    Or is he to blame for inflation?

    Or did the bird do it?

    So hard to keep track of Maduro's 'visions'!

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Kennedy was murdered by the British Royal Family because he supported Argentina's claim to the Falklands. Everybody knows that.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 Beat me to it. Do you have any information of when el MADuro got his bus driver's licence? Age 6 months?
    @3 Glad you said “purports”. Good job he didn't have to be a “conductor”. Would probably have been lynched. On second thoughts, pity he wasn't a conductor. I do enjoy a good lynching of someone who indisputably deserves it. Looking forward to the lynchings of CFK, Timerman, Moreno, Lorenzino, Puricelli. And “friends”. Would MADuro qualify as a “friend”? Share a rope day? Or will it be piano wire and meathooks?
    @4 So many possibilities. ASIO, ASIS, ABIN, CSIS, ACI, Mossad, NZSIS, SIS, DI, CIA, NSA, INR, ASASR, 31st SF squadron, NZSAS, SAS, SBS, Delta Force, SEALs. How nice to be high on the target lists of so many organisations. Right?
    At what point can someone step in and “section” him?
    @9 I couldn't think of something equally ridiculous and comic with which to respond. I realise you are being sarcastic, but wait for the argie loons to seize on it. I would have thought the Royal Family got their own back when his father was forced to resign as ambassador to the UK. What a difference one letter makes! JFK - great man. CFK - shit. I remember how the world, sadly, changed when JFK was assassinated. Isn't there someone who can do the world a favour and assassinate CFK?

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Some interesting facts about Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of Kennedy

    (I) Lee Harvey Oswald spent 2 years living in Russia and admitted 'he was a Communist'
    (II) Lee Harvey Oswald was a competent enough to have shot Kennedy from the book depository.
    (III) He was an employee of that same Dallas book depository
    (IV) A rifle was seen protruding from the window of the book depository by two witnesses shortly before Kennedy was shot
    (V) 3 empty shell casings were found in the book depository after the assassination
    (VI) Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed a police officer after Kennedy was shot.

    How about there was no conspiracy just one man. Perhaps it was Lee Harvey Oswald's intention to return to Russia after the assassination where he would regarded as 'some sort of hero' ?

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @9 Hans

    Indeed. In fact Prince Phillip was the second 'man' on the grassy knoll with his 12 bore shotgun. ;)

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @1-12

    I recommend you lot watch Oliver Stones film for yourself, it is extremely informative, also basic evidence from the case that hasn't mysteriously been disposed of by US authorities points to an extremely obvious conspiracy.

    There is no way in gods green earth that he could have done it alone or at all. The “magic bullet theory” is the biggest load of bull that I have ever heard.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @13

    I have watched Oliver Stone's film. It's a *film*.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @13 And you're “deaf”. Right?

    Get off it. The man is dead. It's over. Let it go.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @14
    Film or not, it raises questions relating to the assassination, that had for years remained in the dark, as I said the Magic bullet theory alone along with other facts like the destruction of key materials by the US government, the dozens of witnesses who saw shots coming from the picket fence and knoll, the deaths of key witnesses right after the events etc, etc.

    I could go on with eye wateringly obvious pieces of evidence that are so right under our noses it takes the piss.

    @15
    Yeah sure, government sponsored murder of their own head of state, yeah lets just forget. They would love that.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @16

    Stone's film was based on the work of Jim Marrs. Here are some other works by Jim Marrs :

    ISBN 978-0-06-213031-0 Our Occulted History: Do the Global Elite Conceal Ancient Aliens? (Hardcover,2013)
    ISBN 978-1476951159 Oswald's Confession & Other Tales from the War (Softcover, 2012)
    ISBN 978-0-06-197068-9 The Trillion-Dollar Conspiracy: How the New World Order, Man-Made Diseases, and Zombie Banks Are Destroying America (Hardcover, June 2010)
    ISBN 978-1-934708-29-3 The Sisterhood of the Rose (Hardcover, November 2009)
    ISBN 978-1-934708-09-5 Above Top Secret (Paperback, October 2008)
    ISBN 978-0-06-124558-9 The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America (Hardcover, June 2008)
    ISBN 978-1-932857-43-6 The Terror Conspiracy: Deception, 9/11 and the Loss of Liberty (paperback, 2006) (An expanded and updated version of “The War On Freedom”)
    ISBN 978-1-57983-013-7 Inside Job: Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies (paperback, 2004) (the first section of “The War On Freedom” plus some appendices not included in other books)
    ISBN 978-0-9727131-1-5 The War On Freedom (Paperback, 2003)
    ISBN 978-0-9727131-0-8 Psi Spies (Paperback, 2002)
    ISBN 978-0-06-093184-1 Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History That Connects the Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, and the Great Pyramids (Paperback, 2001)
    ISBN 978-0-06-095536-6 Alien Agenda: Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us (Paperback, 2000)
    ISBN 978-0-88184-648-5 Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy (paperback, 1993) (#5 New York Times non-fiction Paperback bestseller, February 1992)

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @17
    “Stone's film was based on the work of Jim Marrs. Here are some other works by Jim Marrs :”

    So? Stone also used evidence of others as well, including his own extensive research, also your statement doesn't disprove what I said did it? Those 3 0r 4 little facts I listed as evidence aren't enough to even compel you to enquire further regarding the case?

    Evidence that hasn't been destroyed is avaliable for you to access you know.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @18

    It's not something I particularly want to get into a fight over, but I am aware of numerous conspiracy theories regarding the Kennedy assassination, as indeed there are conspiracy theories regarding every assassination I can think of. I am also aware that there is expert testimony in favour of the magic bullet theory, and plenty to suggest that Oswald did in fact act alone. What I find most compelling in that respect is the evidence of Oswald's brother, who was in doubt that he did it, acting alone.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/biographies/oswald/interview-robert-oswald/

    But you pays your money and you take your choice. In the meantime, I look forward to more of the Jim Marrs oeuvre on the Venezuelan government channel.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @19

    You still havent dipoved what I have said, you know. You have simply worded your comment to look like a “planned withdrawal” rather then what it really is; a retreat.

    There is NO evidence to support the Magic bullet theory! NONE! Even a retard like Maduro can tell that the theory is as flawed and nonsense like as believing that the earth is flat or that pony tails look good on men. Lol

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    I'm not trying to disprove what you said. There is no way of disproving it. I'm merely saying I am far from convinced by it.

    Wiki has as much evidence in favour of the magic bullet theory as it does against.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory

    Here's an example. It's not the only one.

    ”Discovery Channel's reenactment of bullet CE 399's path[edit]

    A Discovery Channel television special, Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet, attempted to replicate as well as possible the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that it was possible to produce largely undeformed bullets, if they were slowed by a passage through a tissue-like substance before striking bone.
    Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the Book Depository building, using a round from the same batch of Western Cartridge Company 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963. The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the “thigh” substance in front of the Connally figure, because it struck an extra bone in the “rib” model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation.[75]“

    None of it is conclusive, but it's a long way from ”There is NO evidence to support the Magic bullet theory! NONE! ”

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    In my role as a NRA Approved Instructor / Assessor of applicants for range instructor on MoD and approved firing ranges as well as a deer shooter myself I can tell you this:

    Pamplet 22, the MoD rules for construction and maintenance of No Danger Ranges and full field ranges (military live fire in open country) requires that on hard surfaces such as dry clay which may have stones / pebbles in the mix you have to allow for a bullet deflection of 90° to the axis of bullet flight.

    I used to think this was the usual “cover my arse” specification from the MoD but a great friend of mine looks after a really lovely deer park in Derbyshire and one day I was spotting for him on a small number of deer, some with fawns.

    When he took the shot and killed the animal we had selected, a fawn standing a few metres away and at a minimum of 90° started to jump around but clearly with only three legs working. The 6.5mm bullet had been deflected within the body of the culled deer, exited and smashed the lower front leg of the fawn. Obviously he killed the fawn immediately to spare it any more pain.

    Most of these “Magic Bullet” claims were made by people with no practical experience of killing human sized animals, if they have any experience with firearms at all. They are not magic bullets but deflected bullets to which the laws of physics apply.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    ConorJ

    Yes I saw Oliver Stones film. It was make believe. What if's and conjecture.

    However, I've heard another compelling version of the events of that day.

    JFK riding along in his car, his security detail behind him in another car. The car behind went over a bump and one of the secret service men had a negligent discharge, that happened to kill Kennedy.

    Embarrassed by the whole incident and not wanting people to know how incompetent they were, the secret service covered it up, framed Lee Harvey Oswald, then murdered him.

    Or maybe that's just a load of bollocks....like Stone's film.

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @21
    That argument from wiki fails on two key issues; the bullet was in virtually perfect condition and its flight path was clearly being guided by god in 1963.

    @22
    Thats a Fawn at close range, this is to different people, at a distance with a single bullet from a worn out Carcano, the bullet in question when mysteriously found was in Pristine condition.

    @23
    Really? What was bollocks about it? The fact that it rightly pointed out the mass errors and inconsistencies of the entire assassination that the authorities would have you believe? Granted it is quite left wing about the whole issues relating to the era, but the raw facts are well presented even if there is slight error in some places.

    Also what do you mean what if?

    What if the dozens of witnesses who saw shots coming from the knoll and picket fence were just lying?

    What if the magic bullet theory is right (snigger)?

    What if all the evidence that was destroyed wasn't deliberately done?

    What if Oswald who only held the lowest US military qualification for shooting just happened to fire 3 shots in less then 6 seconds with 100% accuracy at a moving target and create 7 entry/exit wounds from a defective bolt-action rifle was the greatest shooter in history?

    What if the multiple witnesses who died immediately after the assassination who gave key testimony were just accidents?

    What if the Warren commission actually bothered to read half the material they published?

    What if......do I need to go on!?

    Nov 23rd, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    The most interesting theory I have encountered appears in Charles McCarry's novel The Tears of Autumn ( 1974 ). McCarry served in the C.I.A '58 - '67.

    The plot contends that the family of Ngo Ninh ( the Vietnamese president ) organised Kennedy's assassination in revenge for the C.I.A.'s support of the coup against Dinh which resulted in his death 21 days before JFK's own death.

    It is a very detailed and convincing theory. I have no idea if the author actually believes it to be the truth - he is a very subtle writer - or simply his utterly original take on the arrogance of power and the U.S.A.'s amazing ignorance of Vietnamese culture.

    Nov 24th, 2013 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #11 I'm with you. Oswald was a loser and and mentally unstable. He attempted suicide in USSR to avoid being kicked out of the USSR. The preponderence of evidence to support the single bullet(not to suggest only one bullet was fired, one killed JFK and entered Connelly) is overwhelming. But then you have to believe in forensic science. It was a copper jacketed round with does not expand but yaws in the body and ultimately spins. Anyone who's ever seen buddies hit knows a shoulder shot can exit the chest. The entrance wound on Connelly rectangular and not round.
    JFK was killed by a individual nutcase and then murdered by a police fanatic, self proclaimed patriot. But there will always believe that it was a conspiracy, even he survived and lived on an island (that was a rumor also). Oh......and man never landed on the moon.....one of the biggest coverups. Let's not forget the Aliens and UFO we are hold in Area 51.
    My government can't stop staff leaks......let alone keep a secret of this magnitude. lolololololololol.
    Keep watching Hollywood for all your educational needs. One this is certain........conspiracy theories sells=$$$$$$
    Maybe Argentina or Maduro can write a Conspiracy theory book.

    Nov 24th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 24 Conor J

    The original, culled, deer was approximately 150M from us, the bullet had passed through the “boiler room” of the heart and lungs, so it passed through both sets of ribs. Don’t forget that hunting bullets are designed to expand in order to dump the energy into the quarry. This would be the same for the Western Cartridge.

    Who says the rifle was worn out? Why would that affect interior ballistics so much? It may even make no difference to the exterior ballistics at the range in question.

    Worn rifle barrels affect absolute accuracy far more than down range energy. I wasn’t aware that accuracy was a problem, particularly as he managed to fatally hit JFK.

    Nov 24th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jbrenn

    The powers that be is a pyramid hierarchy made of many puzzle pieces. Every puzzle piece in this assassination had performed it's task - which means that an attempt to assigned blame to any one piece can be disproved.

    CIA? Organized Crime? LBJ? Bankers? Military Industrial Complex? ... the answer is yes.

    Nov 24th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ira Curtis

    Mad uro, How for god sake did he get his bus driver's license?
    This is what happens when you need to focus attnetion away from the real problem. worse than his mentor.

    Nov 24th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    @27
    The rifle was tested by experts from the FBI and they discovered that the scope was defective and wasn't correctly sighted by Oswald (thats if he did do it in the first place), the round that blew Kennedy's head apart went through less then half an inches worth of Skull and was deformed beyond recognition, the other round that decided to make 7 entry and exit wounds along with its own remarkable flight plan was found in almost Pristine condition after it had pierced through Kennedy's back, heading up into his throat and exiting outwards and down before going right and then left in mid-air and entering through Connaly's back, smashing through his ribs and then exiting his chest and then entering his wrist, smashing it before making a u-turn and lodging itself in his thigh.

    This bullet as I said was found virtually intact on a stretcher having allegedly fallen out of Connaly's leg.

    Also any killer Sane or not would never order a traceable weapon via the mail when he could have walked into any gun shop in Texas and given a fake name and could have selected any long range High-powered Rifle. Instead he not only orders a rifle that can be tracked but decides to use a 50 year old designed Carcano with a defective scope and poor shoulder design that takes around 2.5 seconds to recycle its obsolete bolt-action system. He would have been 10x better of with a bloody Lee-Enfield if he wanted a bolt-action rifle.

    Oswald wasn't a very good shot either and only held the lowest Marksmanship qualification.

    Also, we have alleged “witnesses” saying they saw a rifle sticking out of the window that Oswald shot from. Whats one of the first things they teach you in US marine Marksmanship? Even for the lowest qualification? NEVER STICK YOUR RIFLE OUT OF A WINDOW!

    Nov 24th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @24 Conor J:

    I would treat the opinions of Oliver Stone (and his son by the way) with a great deal of caution. The man is shameless in the degree to which he will warp evidence to fit his dogma: his “untold history of the united states” series being a good example of this.

    With regards the theory mentioned @23, a TV programme on it can be found at the link below.

    http://www.channel5.com/shows/jfks-secret-killer-the-evidence/episodes/jfks-secret-killer-the-evidence

    you may find its take on magic bullets interesting

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Lets be honest which is more scary...

    A massive conspiracy involving lots of TLA's.

    Or that because of unrestricted access to firearms someone with military training can use a longarm design the kill a man at significant range, to do exactly that.

    As for the “magic bullet” this is a control the language/control the debate just like so-called Intelligent Design.

    I'm an analytical chemist, not a physicist or engineer but I know that a lot of what we observe in the world is far from obvious.
    Such as the belief that science cannot understand why bees can fly.
    A load of codswallop. It is they beautiful aerodynamics, but far from simple.
    It is well known when bullets hit targets they then deviate (dare one mention chaos theory) and fractions of a mm can mean hitting bone or not.
    In the UK people who cull deer are required to use hollow point rounds. As these cause massive damage to the target (resulting in a quick and humane death) with less likelihood of a through and through but of course that can happen, with significant deviations in flightpath of fragment most likely.

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HERVE

    I think you should write an article about Lyman Lemnitzer and “operation Northwoods”. Lyman Lemnitzer was SACEUR at SHAPE (NATO, France then Belgium). He was the chief of the “stay-behind” sections. The French “stay-behind” had most probably connections with the “SAC”(Service d'Action Civique) and drug traffickers. Lyman Lemnitzer may have used them for the assassination.

    In French AND in English :

    http://www.members.optushome.com.au/tnorth/lesassassins.htm

    This theory is compatible with the implication of Lyman Lemnitzer as Christian David was a member of SAC (Service d'Action Civique), most probably linked to the french Stay-behind unit (Baud, Ganser) directed by Lyman Lemnitzer (SACEUR of SHAPE/NATO).

    Gladio - NATO's Dagger at the Heart of Europe : The Pentagon-Nazi-Mafia-Terror Axis

    http://www.members.optushome.com.au/tnorth/lesassassins.htm

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    32 zathras
    “In the UK people who cull deer are required to use hollow point rounds”

    Not true!

    Unlike pistol bullets that have a very short effective range (with exceptions) rifle bullets are designed to be accurate for the range of the cartridge / rifle combination, which in the more powerful calibres can easily be 1,000M.

    Putting a hollow point like that in a pistol bullet would most definitely destroy the flight characteristics. So the alternative is “soft point” or the more commonly used relatively new invention of “hollow point, ballistic tipped” bullets.

    These bullets have a small hole into the top quarter of the longitudinal axis which is covered up by a plastics tip shaped to give the bullet the true flight of a “hardball” round. The tip is pushed into the bullet as the bullet forces its’ way into the animal thus caused a controlled expansion and creating massive damage thus dumping energy into the quarry.

    52 grain, 0.223 Remington Nosler BTBT bullets travelling at 3,600 fps (at 100M) have no problem going right through fox and Roe deer but the exit hole is quite large, demonstrating the expansion of the bullet. I have no doubt, such is the energy left in the bullet, that it would inflict death or real damage in another animal. The ENTRY hole would be much larger than usual however.

    The 6.5mmx52 cartridge has a very high sectional density (which means very high energy in a small diameter) and the bullet itself WOULD be of the soft point type (no BTBT then of course) but semi-restant to huge expansion for the simple reason this cartridge is chosen for long-range heavy animals.

    The modern 6.5x52 IS available in BTBT and that is why it has become a popular cartridge for shooting deer.

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Deer Act 1991

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/54/schedule/2

    PROHIBITED firearms and ammunition Firearms:

    FIREARMS:

    1 Any smooth-bore gun.

    2 Any rifle having a calibre of less than .240 inches or a muzzle energy of less than 2,305 joules (1,700 foot pounds).

    (Prospective) 3 Any air gun, air rifle or air pistol.

    AMMUNITION:

    4 Any cartridge for use in a smooth-bore gun.

    5 Any bullet for use in a rifle other than a soft-nosed or hollow-nosed bull.

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    The little bird whispered this “news” in his ear!

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    35 zathras

    And your point is what?

    Be VERY careful how you answer this.

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Hollow?

    The Deer act may have been updated since 1991.

    The 1991 act prohibits bullets which are NOT soft-nosed or hollow-nosed bull.

    I used the term Hollow point rather loosely.

    If I may clarify my 32 post...

    In the UK people who cull deer are required to use...
    soft-nosed or hollow-nosed bull rifle bullets, with a rifle of .240 inches caliber or greater and a muzzle energy of greater than than 2,305 joules (1,700 foot pounds)

    Happy?

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 38 zathras

    No.

    Had you have stated “In England and Wales”...then you would have been correct.

    I gave you too much credit it seems because I thought you would have said “52 grain, 0.223 Remington Nosler BTBT” were illegal which would be true in England and Wales but NOT in Scotland who have a REAL “Expert Panel” to advise the Scottish Deer Society and they work on energy, not calibre and correctly loaded 0.223 Remington cartridges are allowed. I have to admit a slight error myself; it’s 55 gn BTBT but 52 gn HPBT. I used both types (for different quarry) but don’t worry about it.

    The Firearms Acts in the UK are a bastardised mess due to the banning of short barrelled pistols following Dunblane. 155,000 pistol shooters got blamed for the incompetence of the Northern Constabulary when they ignored TWO separate officers reports the character (I cannot bring myself to write the bastards name) who murdered the children and teachers should NOT have a Firearm Certificate of any sort. We all lost our pistols in the knee jerk by Major and the Bastard B Liar.

    Until just before I left the UK I was a shooters technical representative to the Home Office Firearms Section SO8 hence my knowledge of the current law.

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Movies......You are all wrong, I saw them bending bullets in the Movie Wanted....so it must be true.....
    here's the proof.....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGZQi3ODB-U
    I saw also saw an episode of Red Dwarf and they reckon Kennedy went back in time and shot himself from the Knoll when Oswald missed....
    ....is there any truth to this?

    Nov 25th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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