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Fossils in south Chile reveal close interaction with once connected Antarctica
Three years of study in Patagonia have produced what researchers describe as most important paleontological findings in Chile in the last 10 years. The discovery of leaf and dinosaur fossils in South America has revealed the continent was connected to Antarctica 20 million years more recently than previously believed. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAntarctica joined with Argentina at K-Pg Extinction, only 66 Ma.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At last, contiguity!
Claim! Claim! Claim!
There is nothing to claim, Antarctica IS Argentine. As I have said before, geologic, geographic, historical. populational, military, and cultural archives are absolutely clear on this.
Nov 25th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is most certainly NOT British, and will never be.
Feeding time at the Troll trough!
Nov 25th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geologic: Wrong, only the very southern tip of South America was joined to Antarctica (i.e. Chile). Australia, Africa and India shared 100s of kilomerters with Antarctica.
Geographic: Wrong, Chile is closer.
Historic: Wrong, several nations claimed and explored long before Argentina claimed.
Population: Wrong, the largest population on the continent are US.
Military: Don't make me laugh.
Cultural: Tell us about Antarctic culture.
Zero from six.
Must try harder.
@2
Nov 25th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should be proud. It's home to the world's youngest fossil.
@3
Nov 26th, 2013 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are some moronic fool.
Geologic: the Antarctic peninsula broke off from the ARGENTINE SIDE of the coast. Or are you blind and can't notice how the peninsula bend fits exactly with the Santa Cruz coast bend? Just like Brazil with Africa, North American coast with European west coast etc.
Geographic: WRONG. Any nation within 50 degrees latitude of the pole has a juridisdictionally valid claim, since that was used in the north for Arctic claims.
History: exploration means SHIT. What matters is actual boots and length of presence. Argentina has been there since 1904 and in that time all others came and went, and came back. You leave, you forfeit the rights in most courts.
Population: the largest PERMANENT population is Argentine, the only actual community that exist on the continent is Argentine.
Military: only country with military on the ground.
cultural: see above. Only place in Antarctica you will find a newspaper, a radio station (playing argentine music), a school (teaching Argentine curriculum), and a theater is an argentine outpost. AND THE FIRST HUMAN BEING BORN IS ARGENTINE. THAT IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL THE REASONS.
Your hatred of Argentina is not unexpected given your nationality, though it is pathetic.
Argentine Antarctica car racing.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhhPFzL2C24
This is very interesting information. As a child I was taught that marsupials only existed in Australia. I have never heard of the monitos del monte before. Looking at the images I found, it is unmistakenly a marsupial. Incredibly cute little critter - looks a lot like a Bilby. I'm amazed it's survived all this time. I guess there are advantages to living in the trees after all.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that platypus fossils have been discovered in Patagonia ( hmm...not going there. Tempting though... ) and recently a tooth from a giant carnivorous platypus was discovered in Queensland - confounding the experts yet again.
Judging from the above comments, sovereignty issues regarding Antarctica are going to become increasingly contentious. Which is a shame IMHO.
Don't worry, Heisenberg,
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0it's just gentle teasing ... troll-feeding time.
5 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't speak for my hommie Condorito but I wouldn't describe my hatred towards your type as “pathetic”, but rather as satisfying, amusing, delightful and beyond doubt. I almost get aroused when I read the shenanigans that your compatriots get up to. It's the joke that keeps on giving, please promise never to change. Long live CFK and the 40 thieves.
300 million years ago we had Pangaea the one subcontinent, breaking apart roughly 200 million years ago. But while as one every “modern” land mass was connected. By that reasoning everyone has a right to every other place. Surprised you haven't used this argument at the UN.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Geoff
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trolls, flat-track bullies, fisherpersons and then there are those Who Only Come Out At night. And then the feeding frenzy starts...
@10 Zathras
It wouldn't shock me if some country used some variation on that very same argument.
Falkland Islands have been British from well before 1904. Others came and went and so forfeited their rights in most Courts. It's boots on the ground that counts.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Antarctic is certainly NOT Argentine.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is highly questionable whether Argentina is Argentine given that the Argentine government wishes to use ludicrous myths rather than self-determination to justify sovereignty.
Once you scrap self determination any Disney style make believe will do...I say Antartica belongs to the country of Bhutan....because in January 1833 some Mede up shot that never happened, justifies their claim about some shit that someone made up.
Antartica son Bhutan jajajajajaja
I've made a cartoon and started indoctrinating children already
@ 5 The Truth PaTroll
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0May I respectfully suggest that you find out what the Antarctic Treaty, which Argentina has signed, says about all those activities. Or will this be yet another case of Argentina ignoring what it has agreed to. Oh sorry Argentina already is ignoring what it has agreed to, yet again.
Inter alia the treaty “sets aside the potential for sovereignty disputes between Treaty parties by providing that no activities will enhance or diminish previously asserted positions with respect to territorial claims, provides that no new or enlarged claims can be made, and makes rules relating to jurisdiction”.
The full text of the Treaty is available here:
http://www.state.gov/t/avc/trty/193967.htm
Comon everyone, of course Antartica belongs to Argentina. The CFK government are still in that era, judging by the economy and rhetoric. I think we ought to give it to the Hondurans, be nice to have another equally civilised country next to Argentina, I think they would get on like a house on fire. On second thoughts not good to drag Honduras down to Argentinas level.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Unfortunately for your typically stupid “argument”, some of us take the time to research the timing of the breakup of Gondwana and compare it with the emergence of homo sapiens. A tiny modicum of intelligence would also question any sense of entitlement of invading northern europeans. Incidentally, military activities in Antarctica are prohibited by the Antarctic Treaty System. Argieland breaching international law AGAIN! And you might want to read and try to comprehend Article IV of the Treaty. Just about negates all your drivel.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps, in light of its position as a leading member of the UN Security Council, Britain should order argieland out. Under British guns and missiles if necessary. I'm sure that responsible nations like Australia, France, New Zealand and Norway will join with Britain.
@Toby,
Nov 26th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Disagreeing with your bizarre world view, doesn't mean I hate Argentina. I don't. The fact that I take the time to help you see through the hopeless indoctrination you have been subject to is surely an act of kindness towards an Argie (When I hear a compatriot talking the nonsense that you talk @3 and @5 I also set them straight.)
Now, lets look at your “facts” again:
Geology: the western side of Patagonia (Chile) snuggled up to the eastern side of the Antarctic peninsula. The Atlantic side of Patagonia (Argentina) was joined to Africa. Here is a nice map (not produced by the Chilean govt) to help you:
http://www.mantleplumes.org/EarthTess2.html
Geography:
“Any nation within 50 degrees latitude of the pole has a juridisdictionally valid claim”
Really? So that would mean only Chile and Argentina could claim any part of the continent, even although we have no presence outside of the western most tip of the peninsula.
If we are going to draw arbitrary lines, why don't we push it out a bit to 55 degrees - just Chile.
History:
“Argentina has been there since 1904”
No, in 1904 you purchased a British weather station in Orcadas which is 700km from the Antarctic peninsula. That argument supports British claims. “British” populations have permanently inhabited the area since the 18th century.
Population:
The US population is double the Argie population in summer and winter.
Culture:
The Chilean community has a radio, school, chapel, bla, bla. We have also pulled the child birth stunt too.
As I have said before on this forum, I fully understand the ramifications of the Antarctic treaty that Chile (and Argie) have signed up to. I also disapprove of the teaching in both countries that the peninsula belongs to our respective countries. It just ain't so. The gimmicky marking up of maps and including the peninsula in the daily weather forecast fools only the parochial and uneducated. They made you believe the FI were yours too and look where that ended.
@ 6 Marcos Alejandro
Nov 26th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What’s with taking that old banger to the Antarctic? I thought they were going to chuck it out of the back of the plane to save the cost of scrapping it.
And why was the midget with the funny fur ears and trying to break into a cardboard box crying his eyes out, wouldn’t they let him drive the death-trap?
You don’t half put some crap on here and this “car” must have been modelled on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHl-o-2Dss
”see above. Only place in Antarctica you will find a newspaper, a radio station (playing argentine music), a school (teaching Argentine curriculum), and a theater is an argentine outpost“
Nov 26th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a joke and a half. McMurdo Station craps all over your silly little outpost. Hell they have 20mb/s wireless internet throughout the base of 1200 people. It was the first station to have a dedicated TV station. It even has a nuclear reactor powering the base.
”there is a clinic, gym and even a church. Because so many people are down here (100-200 stay over the wintertime too) quite a lot of social activities have evolved. You can sign up for intramural sports like dodge ball and soccer, there are yoga classes every week, there is a rock climbing wall and bouldering gym, bowling alley, a ceramics room and even a local radio station. There are three bars at the station that usually host talent shows, open mic nights or parties.“
”At first I was surprised to learn that I’d be able to access the internet at all but I didn’t expect almost all of the station to be equipped with wireless access. Even some of the field camps have wireless access (in the trailers). I can also call home from a regular land line telephone“
”One guy even started a program after the US TV show called “The Biggest Loser: Antarctica” to help people lose weight!”
Sounds like a community...
Sounds like Argies only believe that self determination applies to Argies. Think they may be due another rude awakening.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Heisenbergcontext
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were marsupials all over South America at one time. There are 3 species that survive in deepest darkest Aysen.
“Judging from the above comments, sovereignty issues regarding Antarctica are going to become increasingly contentious.”
You are absolutely correct. Blatant government lies in both Chile and Argentina are to blame. At school it is taught that a big wedge of Antarctica is ours and that all those foreign bases are in our territory. This is reinforced on a daily basis by the weather forecast. A simple examination of historical events exposes our claims for what they are - just claims for land that had already been claimed.
Chile is embarking on a major expansion of its assets in the region. A new air force base is being built at “Glaciar Unión” south of the 80th parallel.
@9 The Chilean perspective
I agree, “amusement” is a good descriptor.
@19 Zethee
The indoctrinated tend to overlook bases like McMurdo. I understand it is located 100m from the south pole. Does anyone know in which segment of Antarctica it falls?
@5 Toby
There were so many inaccuracies in your post that this one got away:
“Military: only country with military on the ground.”
Are you really that indoctrinated?
The Chilean Army, Navy and Air Force all have bases on the Antarctic. Have you never asked yourself, why, when an Argie ship gets in to trouble the Chilean navy comes to the rescue?
Or how about this:
http://www.sur54.com.ar/antrtida-la-fuerza-area-de-chile-evacu-al-jefe-de-la-base-argentina-carlini
An Argentine commander is taken ill on an Argentine base and who has to fly in to rescue him?!?! The FACh !
Surely that can't be right, Argie is the only country with military on the ground.
Think Toby, think!
Well considering that the whole land mass of Earth was once all one bit,,
Nov 26th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then technically speaking Argentina has a good claim to the rest of the world,
On the grounds that they were once part of that world,
Still,
She can but try,,
She can but try ….
lolol
A new expedition is going to take place in Antártida, with a boring british prince and veterans to get money for I dont remember what for Irak and Afghanistán ill veterans.
Nov 26th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but what has Irak, Afghanistán to do with Antártida???Different continents, Antártida has nothing to do with wars or soldiers, or nothing of nothing of ice, of nothing??
Well, only more propaganda....british propaganda.
3 teams, 335km, 16 days, -35°C, constant winds, life changing injuries. This is not your average race!
Nov 26th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three teams of wounded servicemen and women are embarking upon on one of the most high profile expeditions of modern times, racing across 3° to the Geographic South Pole. Wounded from the UK, the US and the Commonwealth (Australia and Canada) will embark on this grueling challenge
Why? To show the world the extraordinary courage and determination of the men and women who have been wounded while serving our countries, and to remind us all of the help and support we owe them.
@21 Condorito
Nov 27th, 2013 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad these remarkable creatures are surviving on the other side of the Pacific. Every year, without fail, the various t.v. networks will show the famous footage of the last known Thylacine ( Tasmanian Tiger ) in it's concrete enclosure and it always makes me sad.
There are many other marsupials under threat from introduced species ( cats and foxes ), venereal disease ( koalas ), pesticides ( Tasmanian Devil ), but we are have, for some time now, thrown considerable resources at preserving these animals in their natural habitat, with some success. And we are learning more all the time.
As to sovereignty claims I'd just as soon have the nations who claim territory in Antarctica share whatever bounty it contains with the rest of the world rather than argue about who owns what. Or leave it to the penguins lol.
Of course the Age of Aquarius ( if it ever really existed outside college campuses ) is well and truly over, so that ain't gonna happen.
@21 Condorito.
Nov 27th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't get these Argentine freaks who carry on like total lunatics. There are many really nice Argentines, I have been there twice and never had any hassles, but... I really hate the freakisoid “types” who post ridiculous crap like when they won the Falklands war or when they sank the aircraft carrier Invincible or when they gifted us independence from Spain or when they scared us into giving away the Patagonia (they never mention that our armed forces were occupying Peru at the time and we had no way to fight for the Patagonia when they stole it). What about when these dopes post that they have the best pilots in the world, that they have a space program, that they have ballistic missiles aimed at Chile, that they are building nuclear subs.....The verbal diarrhoea never seems to end with these types, that's why I love to wave at them as we soar past them in every indicator. Chao pescao.
#6
Nov 27th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine wimps drive cars - English woman does it the difficult way.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/blue-peter-presenter-helen-skelton-169993
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