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UK will insist Gibraltar be included in all EU aviation legislation

Thursday, November 28th 2013 - 21:03 UTC
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The British Government will refuse to accept a return to the pre-2006 Cordoba Agreement practice of excluding the Gibraltar airport from EU aviation measures, Minister for Europe David Lidington told Parliament and pledged the inclusion of Gibraltar in all EU aviation legislation. Read full article


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  • The Truth PaTroll

    Ironic the British accusing an EU nation from “resiling” from EU-treaties, when they as an entire government are resiling from EUROPE in its entirety.

    If it was not real life such level of pecksniffian duplicity could not be fitting for a script in a fiction movie it is so fantastical.

    Given the UK will most likely NOT stay in EU accords anyway in the future, there is no need for Spain to give in, since the UK has no leverage anyhow given their atomically powered flakiness..

    Tough luck I guess

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I think you will find that 55 million a day is pretty good leverage. We are being nice at the moment, its nice to be nice and the British are overall a very tolerant bunch.
    There has been the odd occasion in history when the odd country has pushed our tolerance to tipping point and then afterwards severely regretted it. There are plenty of examples if you want to check your history books, hispanic speakers have featured regularly.

    Some people never learn I guess.

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    My history books tell of three pathetic attempts at getting in the business of 'hispanic' speakers (anyone here speak Hispanic?) around the River plate / Parana area, thinking it would be easy pickings, and gettting bloody trounced... vs one attempt at getting some islands in which more of your ships volunteered for coral building than since WWII, though I'll admit on that one you did us otherwise pretty good.

    Ironic that after 1845 you never tried again to “engage” us, and you decided it was better to try your tyrannical chances in Africa.

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker


    Without going too off topic, we having been getting the better of the Spanish since 1588, but I concede that was well before your countries time.

    Getting back on topic, who do your think is going end up looking stupid when this current stupidity is concluded where Gibraltar is concerned? Spain or the UK?

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    UK.....Picardo was going to give a conference in Algeciras and couldnt even star to pronounce a word, this stupid story of the bag a laugh really, who would worry for a bag, the story of the oceanographic researching, why wouldnt spain research if it is a scientific mission, absolutelly peaceful, you cant stop that, the story of putting those blocks on the sea, what for?? to bother spaniards fishermen?? another thing that nobody understands...continue send some subs and hms, perhaps they end engaged with your own blocks.
    Are in Gib using the water, telephone lines and electricity that comes from Spain??? Should be uk, the ones giving this assistance.

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Confucious says Malen needs to learn English before he tries to blog in English.

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll


    You know as well as I do that if it was not for a freak sea storm that forced the Armada away, you'd be speaking Spanish now. Or at least Spanglish. Let's remember English is really a germanic Latin language, due to William the Conqueror altering drammatically the course of Old English. If he had not invaded, your language would be something akin to Frisian.

    Nov 28th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “Let's remember English is really a germanic Latin language, due to William the Conqueror altering drammatically the course of Old English. If he had not invaded, your language would be something akin to Frisian.”

    True, but I have no trouble with that fact-don't forget there was substantial amounts of Norse influence too-somewhat puzzling that only 10 Gaelic words were assimilated into English.

    “You know as well as I do that if it was not for a freak sea storm that forced the Armada away, you'd be speaking Spanish now.”

    Luckily for the Falkland Islands the British Armada of 1982 succeeded so they were not forced to speak Spanish for long....

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Liked your last paragraph. To the point. Couldn't agree more.

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    “somewhat puzzling that only 10 Gaelic words were assimilated into English.”

    Not quite I'm sure there are a few more you might recognise....

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    I can only find 13 in total in that list that would be considered to be part of the 'english' english language and in anything like daily use.

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    “You know as well as I do that if it was not for a freak sea storm that forced the Armada away, you'd be speaking Spanish now.”

    Have there been other events of bad luck to the Spanish military since that freak sea storm? How has Spanish military strength represented itself in history since that storm?

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't that “freak storm” hit the Armarda when they were sailing around the North of Britian having been unable to land their invasion force in the South. In other words trying to get back home!

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @8 Pete

    The storms that actually wrecked the Spanish Armada were indeed off the North of Britain and the North and West of Ireland, their attempt to land in the South having met with the misfortune of allowing their enemy to choose the battlefield.
    They found themselves trying to attack against both the wind and the current, the equivalent of trying to charge up a very steep hill while the defenders were rolling bloody great rocks down it at them (this was about the dawn of naval gunnery as an actual means of attack, rather than supporting the traditional ram-board-slaughter approach).

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    “And God sent the wind and they were scattered”.
    Don't forget, the more seaworthy English ships, the more experienced English seamen & the superior English gunnery.
    Also the English were fighting for their very survival, that makes anyone fight harder.
    The Spanish had been so disrupted by English raids on their supplies, that everything was hurried & a bit slipshod on the Spaniard's part.
    A lot of their cannon balls were too small for the Galleon's cannons & so were recast by dropping the balls into molten iron, to form a layer of brittle iron over the smaller balls. When these balls hit the English ships, the brittle iron disintegrated & did very little damage to the ship.
    The Spaniards had more Priests than Gunners & some of their ships came from the tideless Mediterranean.
    They couldn't embark their troops from the Netherlands as they slipped their anchors to avoid the English fire ships.
    On their long journey home, those that had anchors found that they often snapped when they tried to avoid being pounded into the Scottish & lrish west coasts.
    So their metallurgy was inferior too.
    They never really had a chance.
    l'm glad

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • knarfw

    I thought the Armada was in retreat when it ran into the storms. A lot of their ships had lost their anchors during previous encounters with the British and were unable to take shelter accordingly and ended up being run aground.

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 Excellent thought. Except that the Cordoba Agreement isn't an EU treaty. But, since Spain is breaching so much of it, let's have some responses. No Spanish- owned, leased or registered aircraft to be permitted to land in any British territory. Any Spanish-owned, leased or registered vehicle, with or without cargo, to be subject to FULL examination when attempting to enter British territory, including removal of cargo and, at least, partial dismantling. Any Spanish fishing vessel found in British waters to immediately be escorted into a British port to offload cargo before going into drydock for a full marine inspection at the owner's cost. Any fish can be left on the quayside. As the Agreement included a promise by Spain to reduce its border controls and ease movement across the border, sack all Spaniards currently working in Spain and close the border by walling it off. Armed watchtowers manned by the Royal Gibraltar Regiment to fire on anyone seeking to swim the border or land elsewhere. Repudiate any agreement on pensions for Spanish workers. Set up government-owned air and sea ferries to Morocco, with further links to Portugal and France at more than competitive fares. It's all pushing, of course, but most of it could be done by Gibraltar on its own. Should I mention the artillery company of the RGR “practicing” by firing live ammunition from the top of the Rock? Should be able to manage a good 12 miles!
    @7 Do tell us about the “freak sea storm”. That would be the same sort of “freak storm” regularly encountered in the English Channel but not in the duckpond Mediterranean. Amazing how that “freak storm” extended all the way around the British Isles, innit? Would you like to mention the “freak storms” involved at Vigo Bay, Malaga, Cape Saint Vincent, Trafalgar?

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    @The Truth PaTroll How strange the most powerful and influential country in the Eurozone does not want The UK to leave I wonder if she feels the same about the lazy Spanish

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    With integrated airspace control, it would be unforgivable if Gibraltar were not included!

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Mr Cameron speaks tough words,
    the Falkland's , Gibraltar , Romanians immigration , standing up to the EU overlords ,
    yet nothing has yet changed or altered,

    he speaks big, but does very little.

    Nov 29th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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