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Mujica questions Argentine trade policies towards Mercosur that “take us back to the sixties”
Uruguayan president Jose Mujica again questioned Argentine president Cristina Fernandez administration trade policies which he said take us back 'to the sixties, when everybody locked in', and in effect deny Mercosur and harm other members. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“it looks as if Mercosur does not make sense any longer”
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay is only NOW waking up to the fact that Argentina is NOT a team player!
You don't hear the Pacific Alliance members bitch and moan about each other this much.
@1. but we do hear the EU members bitch and moan about each other that much. doesn't cameron bitch and moan about EU immigration laws, human rights, the euro, and a range of other policies from brussels? doesn't cameron contemplate leaving the EU for good? so much for being a “team player”..
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as for mujica's delusion that uruguay will ever have margin “to intervene in decisions that belong to the autonomy of argentina.” that will never happen. its like malta telling france what to do.
uruguay benefits a lot from argentina - tourism being the obvious factor but there are many other areas in which they take advantage of argentina.
uruguay, on the other hand, has very little to offer argentina in economic terms. they do not produce anything argentina doesn't and needs. they are, for all intents and purposes, the 24th renegade province of argentina.
it is in their interest to be a team player and stop flirting with the pirates that operate in malvinas to cash in a few extra bucks.
Maybe it would be best for Uruguay to start teaching Portuguese to their children.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, he has a bit of a nerve of accusing others of taking him back to the sixties with that hair do!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Thank you. One can only hope that Mujica's wife reads your comments and kicks him in the balls again. The people of the UK were conned! They agreed to join a “Common Market” (the ECC). They were never asked about the EC or the EU. Which is why we want OUT!
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can understand some of what you say. According to the “rules” of mercosur, all the full members have the same rights and “weight”. according to argieland, only IT has rights. Perhaps it would be an idea for Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay to get together and squash argieland into oblivion where it deserves to be. Uruguay could take over northern argieland, whilst agreeing that Chile could have the southern half. In both halves, murdering, raping, thieving argies could be reduced to their proper status as slaves. They could be beaten and whipped daily by proper indigenous people. Indigenous people to occupy the properties they wish, possess whatever they want. Argies will quickly learn to survive without food, water, shelter or transport. Or they will die. What a plus for the world!
@2
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahaha.
Way to prove the point dude.
Thank you.
LOL @4.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop complaining, you other Mercosur members can do whatever you want.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina does not want friendly relations with the Europeans, they as a people are the enemy.
Argentina should continue its course. In fact, I now champion a 21st century Sakoku state.
Mercosur does not compare well to the European Union
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In spite of the Venezuelan desire to make the partner countries politically coherent, there is not one single area of policy and practice where all member states are in the same line-up.
The EU was joined by the UK when it was the Common Market - which became the EEC, which then became the all-singing-all-dancing EU. It is now a world away from the trading bloc of its origins ... and this is, of course, what is upsetting many people in the UK (“We did not sign up to this”).
But the one thing that the EU HAS tried to do is to make policy and practice the same across all member states. It has succeeded in doing this massively better than anybody thought possible - and to the great consternation of many less committed 'citizens'.
Mersosur wants a trading bloc but without commonality of either policy or practice! This is (as Chris would say) 'positively oxymoronic' - with emphasis on the moronic.
You have to have 'rules' ... or 'protocols', as they call them in this sphere.
If there are no rules,
and no agreement to make any,
and no keeping to them if they are made
... then there truly is NO Mercosur.
Pepe is right, and right to say so loud and clear.
2Troneas
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“as for mujica's delusion that uruguay will ever have margin “to intervene in decisions that belong to the autonomy of argentina.” that will never happen. its like malta telling france what to do. ”
Aren't all Mercosur members equal partners??
Argentina seems to be the “renegade” here, defying all the other members by being protectionist, when Brazil and Uruguay want a free trade deal.
“uruguay benefits a lot from argentina - tourism being the obvious factor but there are many other areas in which they take advantage of argentina. ”
“uruguay, on the other hand, has very little to offer argentina in economic terms. they do not produce anything argentina doesn't and needs. they are, for all intents and purposes, the 24th renegade province of argentina. ”
Poor Argentina, everyone is “taking advantage” of you, such victims.
“Uruguay has nothing to offer” - and yet, Argentinans flock there!
Could it have something to do with safeguarding their US $$$'s.
“it is in their interest to be a team player and stop flirting with the pirates that operate in malvinas to cash in a few extra bucks.”
Uruguay IS now a “team player” with the Brazil and the rest of Mercosur - unlike protectionist Argentina.
Argentina wants no trade with the EU. Why is that so hard to understand?
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You British are just crazy, medically speaking. You whinge about the EU taking decisions from you, and you deny the same rights to another country?
Argentines feel Mercosur is taking decision from us. We signed Mercosur to act as a weight AGAINST European and North American products, not to allow them in FREE OF CHARGE?!!!!!!!
#8
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree totally with you. No imports or exports from Argentina.
Any Argentinian attempting to leave the country should face execution by the government in power. All media or cultural contacts should be banned. . Any non -Argentinian books should be burned.
It should be a capital offence to speak, sing or write anything other than in Argentinian Spanish. In fact the language should be renamed Argentinish to distance you from the dastardly Europeans who founded your country.
All non indigenous means of transport should be destroyed and only those designed and built using materials sourced in your country permitted.
All Argentinians with dual nationality should be required to renounce their non -Argentine nationality or face deportation.
That is just for a start.
Have you any more to add to your list ?
I am sure that the overwhelming majority of your countrymen/women would agree to this.
As a matter of interest, are you old enough to vote ?
Argentina has every right to preserve their autonomy. Argentina is perfectly free to opt out of Mercosur, and continue their protectionist practices.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay, Brazil, and Paraguay have a right to their own autonomy too, Nostril.
Let them have a FTA without Argentina selfishly sabotaging it.
#8 hey titti the teen tot....how does it feel to talk so much stupid bullshit? If you are in Argentina you know that even the kirchnerites are capitulating to their own stupid assed policies.......negotiating with international NON ARGENTINE businesses....not that there are any. Compensating Repsol.......readying to pay back awards from the BIS, setting up a new DEBT UNIT heading by none other then “I want to go” Lorenzino.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every you, the idiot boy says....your leaders do the polar opposite. Shows that you really are out of Argentina likes many have claimed. As a poster your style even changes.......does la campora even have the toilet paper to pay you anymore? Ah.....yes....only slightly used.
Mujica speaking of the 1960s? That was when he and his wife took up arms against the legal and democratic Uruguayan government of the time.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, belatedly the Beetlebum” is taking his tongue out of TMBOA arse and attempting to do what he should have done from the start of his disastrous term as President: told her to fuck off.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times are we going to take the hit from this stupid cow and her equally idiotic “citizens” like Troneas and TTTransvestite?
These cretins forget how much we BUY from The Dark Country AND pay well over the odds for it AND most of the time it is crap. And what do they do? Bleat and cry how we have been the 24th renegade province of argentina(SIC).
Well, if that time ever comes and if I am still here and able to fire a rifle, I will personally shoot the cunt who is “president” of that damnable cesspit for taking Uruguay by force, because although Pepe has been a murdering commie bastard, he has no backbone now.
It will be great when he has to leave the Presidency to Vasquez. Poor old Vasquez, Pepe and his drunken mates have pissed away the excellent economy that Vasquez left them and have put the next two generations in hock to sovereign debt accrued in his short four year disaster trip.
* Pepe drives a clapped out VW Beetle AND he’s a bum.
Control of the River plate has always been Argentina’s primary strategic objective, since the time of the colony.
Nov 29th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas has always been the, “opiate for the masses” distraction.
Even if Argentina should recover the Malvinas next week, it would not change Uruguay’s situation, or its relationship with Argentina, one iota.
@ 2 Troneas
It says: “intervene in decisions that belong to the autonomy of a government”
Not: “the autonomy of argentina”
Sound more like a reference to the pulp mill dispute.
A case of France telling Malta what to do.
“the 24th renegade province of argentina”
And you accuse the British of having a “colonialist attitude”? what a laugh.
@ 11 The Truth PaTroll
No one doubts Argentina’s reluctance to trade, your problem is some countries it Murcosur DO want trade with the EU.
And if leaving Argentina out is the price they have to pay, then that is what will happen.
With that and the PA developing as it is, you will be isolated even within S America.
Happy now!
@ 16 ChrisR
Mate, don’t beat about the bush will you.
Ah
Nov 29th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that two men having a go at Argentina alas, CFK
how many more will gang up against her,..
@17
Nov 29th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does prove we are not as pathetic and weak and unimportant as you think does it not, when for several YEARS now the other Mercosur nations have been made to act so ambivalently, Argentina or European Union, European Union or Argentina...
Remember... 40 vs 800 million, 400 billion GDP nominal (700 parity rate), vs 16 trillion GDP nominal, 15 billion parity...
It must be humiliating for you Euros and Brits to have to share the weight scale with such insignificants as us.
hadn't noticed you really
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Nov 30th, 2013 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your education system is dirt poor. Even a first grader in Argentina knows more geography than the average adult Anglo. Not my fault you have lousy schools.
21 Snotty Nostril
Nov 30th, 2013 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Silly boy. You make me laugh.
You're simply not important enough to dwell upon in any curriculum.
And you think that concerns me.
Nov 30th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now that's funny.
You greatly exaggerate your inflated overestimations of your aggrandized importance.
@ 17 Pugol-H
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Mate, don’t beat about the bush will you.”
Not while there is breath in my body and the injustice of the government is rampant, as now.
Vasquez, hopefully, will be better but the poor devil has all the work to do again regarding the economy.
The stupid poor, for that is what they are as well as lazy, have the vote of course and “vote for their own” not realising that this means they have put an exceptional idiot in as President. Self-fulfilling prophesy. They confuse “Man of the people” as someone who has a brain when most of “their people” are brain dead.
@23 Funny! Unable to come up with any reasons why you are “important”, you descend to your thesaurus. Let's make a few things clear. Within latam, you might have a minor importance. For the world, you are an inconvenience. For Europe, the EC sees mercosur as a convenient means to take control of another continent. For the British people, argieland and its sycophants are enemies. We see it this way. argieland and venezuela are enemies. Brazil and Uruguay are stupid sycophants. They can be wrecked with the rest. As can Bolivia and Ecuador. Colombia, Paraguay and Peru get another chance. Chile is okay. Until we see what Bachelet is like. But try to understand. The facade of argieland may look okay. The reality is different. After less than 200 years, you think you know better than us? Obnoxious, fatuous, ignorant fool. Want to watch you suffer!
Nov 30th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 The truth parole
Nov 30th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And you think that concerns me.
Now that's funny.
You greatly exaggerate your inflated overestimations of your aggrandized importance.”
Ha ha, thgat's quite humorous, thanks- By saying 'And you think that concerns me' is exaggerating YOUR inflated overestimations of your aggrandized importance!'
Nice irony there TP.
Pete that tobi the titti teen tot thinks he is relevant and also thinks he speaks for his country that he pretends to live in....Argentina. I think he has the same issue as his beloved president , Cuntlips Kirchner....a brain cloud. No one listens to her either. Now that her operation is over, safe to assume a frontal lobotomy......they are trying to reverse all the damage she caused. Paying their lawsuits, setting up a new debt unit, recruiting international businesses even paying Repsol back. The cunt even even wearing clothes with colors.
Dec 01st, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes....tobi in #23 is the stupidest posting troll in the site. But I must say....he's a great barometer. What he says....count on the opposite happening. He really should visit Argentina sometime to explore what the people there really think.
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