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Argentina's Malvinas claim reaffirmed by Mercosur associate member, Guyana
Argentina thanked Commonwealth member Guyana for its strong support in the Malvinas Islands question and underlined the excellent bilateral relations in all fields, during the official visit of Foreign minister Carolyn Rodrigues-Birkett to Buenos Aires. Read full article
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Dec 02nd, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article says...:
“The visiting minister was also honored with the Order of the “Liberator San Martín Great Cross”
I say...:
Maybe the Kelpers should start honouring their invited and dearly paid political guests with some kind of medal too......
What about the...: Order of the “Pirate Calico Jack Crossed Swords with Skull” ?
Says the Argy planter squatting in Indian Patagonia.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She really appreciated recieving that. In fact the first thing she did on arriving home was....
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARGENTINE-RIBBON-O-O-Libertador-General-San-Martin-GREAT-CROSS-GRADE-/190878014833
Oh well if Guyana says it, it must be true lol.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One ship (HMS Dauntless) says it all.
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When will Argies give back all their lands they stole?
“Yawn”....Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...!!
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Transparent bribes by the Argie government will not go un-noticed by other Commonwealth countries which will view Guyana's support for Argentina as a sell out of the right of self determination.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guyana will not get any Commonwealth help, let alone from the UK, if the dispute with Venezuela heats up. Looks like Guyana has sold their soul to the devil for a bauble and a packet of empty promises.
(5) El capitano
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us Capitano.... Have you shot any good moose this season?
Does this idiot the, recently removed CLOT from the monkey brain of Cristina Kirchner not realise how stupid he looks and sounds coming out with the same old shit everytime he welcomes an overseas guest LIP SERVICE and decorating someone with a worthless piece of bric a brack for providing LIP SERVICE is a joke and shows you what a worthless piece of shit it is.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela need only duplicate the successful formula Brazil utilised to seize one fifth of Bolivia earlier this century; simply encourage hundreds of thousands of your citizens to settle over your weaker neighbor's border - overwhelming them in the process (since they are militarily inferior they would not dare to harm your nationals - and thereby provoke an armed reprisal). In a relatively short time your countrymen would outnumber their unwitting 'hosts' and then you simply extend your borders (through annexation) to accommodate the new ethnographic reality; it worked for Brazil ! If this sounds implausable to you that is because you are probably unaware of Guyana's efforts a few years ago to evict illegal Brazillian settlers on Guyanese territory, an operation that was cancelled after only one month because the Guyana Defence Force - with it's single helicopter - could not afford to continue that mission any longer. Several hundred Brazillians now reside illegally (but happilly) in Guyana's remote areas.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure people should remember this the next time Maduro and his little bird want talk about the Esequibo claim. And I am sure some other people are desperately hoping that those people will do what they are always expected to do, rise above it all, while they in turn rise above nothing.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But by all means, exchange silly bling and compliment each other while stabbing each other in the back. That IS why everyone in ALBA, Mercosur and the rest always behind each other, it's about getting a good vantage point. SA statecraft is a curiously amusing thing.
Guyana gained independence through self determination. ENOUGH SAID.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that Timmerman is going to the UK to reafirm that Las Malvinas son Argentian, and Prime Minister has invited the FALKLANDERS to participate. Apparrentely Timmerman to going to be presented with “ The Order Of The Boot ”right up his rectum. Rectum ,no Governor but nearly.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fully support Venezuelas claim to the majority of Guyana. Wonder if Argyland will send their army, airforce and navy to defend Guyana.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, and they did not want to remain British? How humiliating, one of the poorest nations in South America (well, we don't consider it South America really), and still that?
Ah, you gotta love Hector “Sisyphus” Timerman. That Malvinas stone just rolls back down again despite all his pompous efforts......
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 The Truth PaTroll
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“well, we don't consider it South America really”
Interesting comment that.
In this case it would seem that whilst Venezuela considers Esequibo as South America, they do not consider the Guyana n’s to be very South American.
@14
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their choice ( look what happenend to them ) same as Zimbabwe, Scoltand may vote yes to independance, again their choice, its not humiliating, just their choice
something you do not have.
I do not have?
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How laughable. So you are telling me how Mendocinians feel about belonging to Argentina, wow you are lordly. 100.1% in favor of union.
Same percentage as in Scotland, hahaha.
@16
That maybe start to change of Guyana starts dissing Europe more often.
It's Guyana's choice as a sovereign nation to support whatever foreign policy choices they see fit.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the UK's choice as a sovereign nation to completely ignore the aformentioned foreign policy choices of inconseqential third world nations as they see fit.
They should probably ignore Guyana as well :)
@19
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But when you are a “first world” nation being ignored by lessers, that is proof enough of how you have fallen down the turd poll.
@ 1 Lunatic
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the Falklanders don't need to offer meaningless baubles to encourage “friends”, we stopped that centuries ago.
Pity Gollum doesn’t understand how utterly ridiculous it looks for The Dark Country to keep going lower and lower in the barrel of dead-headed “countries” who cannot make their minds up as to what is better for them: the Commonwealth or the shitter that is Argentina today.
But NOT when the Brits were involved, you were No 3 in the World’s economies, were you not? Now tell us all how much WORSE off you were then! Ha, ha, ha.
You know the well of self-confidence and patriotic pride is running on fumes when the Brits resort to ARGENTINA OF THE 1850-1950 period as butress to their supposed “greatness”!
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course forgetting India under their watch was a wretched ramada, doing much better now without the lot.
more lip service, them argies cant get enough of it!
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ The Truth PaTroll you prat you don't get it If the F I wanted to become part of Argentina or even independence we would not stop them it's their choice what won't happen is them being colonised against their will by a bunch of thieving ex European immigrants that have difficulty with their history.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guyana
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has made its bed,
So it will lay upon it,
On the other hand if and when Venezuela decides to invade it,
Or at the very least start intimidating it or threatening it,
Great Britain has a right to say [no]
Guyana free choice,
British choice,
Besides,
We thinks Guyana is being lend on by heavies..
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I too support 100% Argentina's legitimate right over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and surrounding maritime spaces.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't everybody? Including the UK?
Unfortunately for Argentina they have never actually FOUND a legitimate right. Just a 1940s fairy tale that falters every time it is compared to actual history.
Go Guyana. Hope you got some money out of them for this.
The reports are always “Argentina thanks 'xyz' for their support” you never see a direct comment from the country offering this so called support.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It works to everyone's advantage to just say “Yes” to Argentina. Afterall....what are the ramifications of saying no? A trade embargo? lol
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such Political support has no meaning or political effect. This tattle is pure Argentine political rhetoric for domestic consumption
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina cannot press its claim at the United Nations International Court of Justice because it has no legal merit
Argentina and its political supporters are bound by the United Nations Charter
Thus Argentina's sovereignty claims are frivolous and without litigation
Argentina is impotent
Why does Mercosur need more GUANO when Argentina is full of it???????
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why, really, is Guyana supporting Argentina in the “Malivinas Islands question”?
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This, rather small, English-speaking country and a member of the Commonwealth ought to show some solidarity with the Falklanders instead of siding with their bullying Argentine neighbours.
Guayana has also problems with a neighbour (Venezuela) claiming parts of its territory. So what's the reason for them not to support FI?
Guyana has the right to support Argentina's claim if they so wish.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guyana also has the right to not get support from the UK and the other major members of the Commonwealth, if *they* so wish.
Argentina thanked Guyana - what does Guyana's parliament say?
Guyana's support for Argentina is old news. For one thing, like most of south america, they have bought the lie about the expulsion of the original population.
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather curiously, however, or not as the case may be, the Guyana press mentions the meeting and the award of the gong, but not the support for the Falklands.
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2013/12/01/argentina-awards-carolyn-rodrigues/
Shades of the Filmus visit to Ireland?
Come on guys, its only a photo shoot. He said that ,she said that. Load of Bollocks
Dec 02nd, 2013 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet she never said any such thing and most likely missed Twatman thanking her for Guyana's support as she was too busy counting her fingers after shaking hands...
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0And there is nothing about this in the press release from the Guyana MFA (http://www.minfor.gov.gy/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=50#nov29_13)
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, Guyana does not consider it a very important issue. Lots of other things are mentioned, but not this one.
Could someone tell me what all this good work in human rights is that Titman keeps going on about. I must have missed it.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0As has been said here.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt didn't seem to make too much news in Guyana.
But if they want to support Argentina, then its up to them.
Will Argentina support them against Venezuelan land claims?
An Argentine-Venezuela war(of words!),
maybe they'll divide Guyana between them & Brazil. lol!
Should be interesting to watch.
Guatemala are doing the same thing in 'British' Belize.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Massive - encouraged' - illegal migration across the border ('Economic migrants/refugees'), settlement, rapid breeding, and a gradual move to voting dominance.
Within a few years 'British' Belize will become 'foreign' Guatemala.
Things happen because you LET IT HAPPEN.
You have to have the balls to say “This far and no further!” and to have regular visits from British warships.
This is what 'Being British and thinking in English' is all about. Those contracts of protection were made in good faith but they need constant succour to keep the Foreign Office up to speed with their international friendships and responsibilities.
Press Release: By accepting a worthless mass-produced “award” - the so-called “Liberator San Martín Great Cross” - made in the same decrepit factory as the mass-produced equestrian statues of San Martin and “Malvinas son Argentinas” virtual tombstones that gather mould in litter-strewn Argentine town plazas - Guyana today re-affirmed its status as a shameless arse-licker and a permanent member of the Useless Nations of the turd world. Congratulations.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The presence of Guayana in the Commonwealth should be closely examined although, to be honest, I don't think we should be too concerned about this development.
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Tinpot , a great diplomatic triumph .
Dec 03rd, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people of Argentina can momentarily forget about the energy gap , inflation , drug cartels and street crime , because of something said by a Guyanian that was probably taken out of context .
Apparently Marradonna has third degree syphilis , poor sod .
What's the betting that if Venuezuela invade Guyana they will bleat for British help?
Dec 04th, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines will of course leap to Guyana's help by posting a huge white flag to defend them.
@ChrisR
Dec 04th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But NOT when the Brits were involved, you were No 3 in the World’s economies, were you not? Now tell us all how much WORSE off you were then! Ha, ha, ha.”
I wouldn’t be bragging that way if I would be you...
Britain used to be the major economic power until the xx century and look at her now she dropped to the #9 position and falling faster. Just in 5 years UK drops 4 positions.
That is really a fast falling speed I guess... In five years more at that speed Britain will be fighting its positing with Zimbabwe I guess.
USA
China
India
Japan
Germany
Russia
Brazil
France
UK
BTW “The Party's Over” according with Robert Peston from BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEG4OcUQu3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEG4OcUQu3I
OOps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Britain is the 6th largest economy in the world.
Dec 04th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And how far did Argentina fall? Actually how far is it still falling? With 2/3rd Britain's population it is on its way out of the top 30 at this rate.
Try learning the difference between absolute decline and relative decline.
Here's a hint! Britain has suffered from relative decline and Argentina is suffering from absolute decline.
@ 44 DanyBerger the Dumb Ass Version.
Dec 04th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0When are we having the DB version with half a brain back because you don't have a brain?
The other version would not have made the school boy error you just have.
2/10 must try VERY MUCH HARDER.
“The Party's Over,” Robert Peston, BBC
Dec 04th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEG4OcUQu3I
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAUWvuZ2LQ
Two of the most important programmes produced since WWII.
Dany is not dumb bringing them once more to our attention.
You could see it coming -
years and years before it actually hit and caused every paradigm to shift forever.
Years and years before I,and people like me, lobbied and shouted till we were 'blue in the face' but it was already too late; social-capitalism was not for turning.
I took no debt other than the mortgage; but that was enough ... I was part of the problem, not part of the solution.
My debt, initiated over a quarter of a century before, was payable and was paid - unlike the millions of today's Westerners and governments with larger, unpayable debts.
Today, I buy no more than I can pay for today .... but my children, throughout their lives, will probably find themselves much more worse off than was I.
@44 Danyberger
Dec 04th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When are you expecting Argentina to overtake the UK's economy?
(Even using INDEC figures if you wish).
a)-2014?
b)-2033? (when Gollum expects the Falklands to become Argentine-just like that)!
c)-2133?
d)- Never?
@44 - UK is No 7 just behind France - Russia & Brazil are still behind France & UK and India is not ahead of Japan yet.
Dec 04th, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 - when they get rid of the Kirchners and their neo-marxist populist policies, when they stop their childish obsession with the Falklands, when they stop lying about the inflation rate, when they free-float the peso, when they make the country attractive for foreign investment and quality immigration, etc, etc. In other words, when pigs will learn to fly..!
Guys are you jocking write?
Dec 04th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The above chart is the size of each economy measured in PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) Used as a price index goods made in US.
Also PPP is the way is expressed the per capita.
I will explain this with something you are familiar with...
If India produces 10kg of curry but each kg cost 1 dollar in India while UK produces 2kg of curry but each kg cost 10 dollar...
Which economy is bigger?
Of course idiots will say that UK’s economy is bigger than India’s economy because 20 dollars is more than 10 dollars, etc.
That is wrong because OER can distort the measurement like in the obvious case of China.
The scope of this measurement is to know which economy produces more goods and services and not to obtain a subjective value in x currency.
@50 Danny
Dec 04th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a true “jocker”, you cherry pick a statistic to match your hatred of the UK, the sad fact is that the same statistics show how badly Argentina is actually performing.
The PPP is only one indicator of performance and not to be taken as the ultimate measurement of economic performance.
@Leiard
Dec 04th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I guess that depends of your particular interest like if you are a banker. Are you a banker?
PPP is taking on quantity of goods produced a standard price of same goods produced in US and also is used US dollar to covert the result value, etc. So what better tool to know how a given economy is performing?
So 10 cups produced in India with same material and similar quality should have the same value that those produced in UK. That is fair because eliminates the inflation factor and currency distortion due to overvalued or undervalue currencies that mostly are fixed by manipulation or speculation rather than economy fundamentals.
Now if you don’t like the ranking because doesn’t favour your Dark Kingdom is not my fault.
Don’t you think so?
Argentina suffers from years a similar problem like UK...
While in Britan for decades politicians thought that banks will provide all wealth for Britain despite killing all other productive economic activities...
In Argentina most politicians still think that the Agri Business will turn Argentina a prosperous country a tale made up by the conservatives and necons like in UK that profits from de countries debt.
So what you are seeing in Britain is the same pathological condition that produced most of Arg. problems for decades.
So as I said before UK will keep falling until that mentality is not reversed.
May be Argentina and UK can setup a new club who knows?
Any name for it?
Victims of the casino game perhaps?
Poor Dany.
Dec 04th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PPP is a formula and as such influenced by many factors in its computation.
PPP is a good comparison tool. However it doesn't work when you have inflation at the rate that Argentina is experiencing it. So Argentina can't have an accurate PPP GDP figure at the moment.
And let's not get started on what false statistics will do to a PPP figure.
@ 52 Dany
Dec 04th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Victims of the casino game perhaps?”
I actually agree with you if you say the banks acted like gambling casinos instead of real banks causing a crisis.
Out of the banks I use however, two were run like banks so did not need a UK government bailout.
However I cannot regard Argentina as a better economy than the UK-if the most modern military jet you can buy (Mirage F1) was one that was first being supplied to Spain before 1982?
Your economy cannot afford the T45 destroyer-the British economy can.
You cannot afford submarines like the Astute-the UK can.
If the UK's economy is worse than Argentina's that does not explain why the UK is able to built the largest aircraft carriers the UK have had-and one is nearing completion very rapidly.
We have received our first F35s to play with, The UK make ALL the rear sections for this aircraft on one of the most advanced aircraft production lines anywhere.
The difference in the size of the economies illustrates why Argentina's most advanced military aircraft first flew in the 1970s-1980s, and ours first flew only a few years ago-at least in this century.
@Pete Bog
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well while UK waste money that doesn’t have to build a Type 45D that cost just U$s1bn each Argentina invest U$s33bn (6,47%) in free education including higher education.
While you spend close to 2 billions in a submarine, Argentina invest in science, space research and that is the reason why Argentina will be able to launch her own sats to space next year while you can’t.
While UK wastes more money that doesn’t have to build carriers that none knows how effective they will be because floating things are becoming obsolete in modern warfare, etc.
Argentina invests in nuclear medicine and that is the reason why Argentina can produces her own radioactive isotopes and export them while you have to import them.
So I guess that UK should have to stop wasting money that doesn’t have in expensive toys that only produce more debt to the nation. Instead UK should invest to re-built the manufacture sector to have something to sell to the world.
Otherwise how are you going to pay back your huge debt?
Can you see that you cannot afford to have even any military activity because you are already broke and living from debt.
Panama and NOW GUYANA wow! Does The Falklands have any suppporters on that side of the world??!!
Dec 06th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55
Dec 06th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“nstead UK should invest to re-built the manufacture sector to have something to sell to the world.”
I agree with this statement, (apart from the 'instead') but BAe building all the rear sections for the F35, is going to gain the UK a lot of work if you see how many F35s are expected to sell around the world.
You may not realise this but Rolls Royce produces a large proportion of the world's airliner engines (is not Tango 1 powered by Rolls Royce engines?) If you still have Fokker F27 and F28 aircraft in the Argentine airforce these are powered by yes, Rolls Royce engines.
As for satellites Britain first launched one (it is still working by the way) around 1971, and we have often had British satellites launched , by the European Space Agency.
The Ariane rocket was developed from the British Blue Streak rocket of the 1960s.
The fact that British people have far higher living standards than the average Argentinian indicates that we are far from broke.
Argentina cannot even eradicate foot and mouth in its cattle.
It's lemons are so poisoned with pesticides that the USA won't buy them.
It is typical that Argentina seeks short cuts to success but I don't see Argentina dominating space technology any day soon.
Where's Argentina's Skylon?
@Pete Bog
Dec 07th, 2013 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are talking about the present and not glorious past that never materialised...
And I don’t agree that for UK manufacturing F35 or whatever will produce a real benefit for UK economy more than few jobs while the real money will go away from the country.
“The fact that British people have far higher living standards than the average Argentinean indicates that we are far from broke.”
Well I have to disagree with that because when I was living in UK precisely in London I didn’t see the higher living standards that you say.
Tell me why do you consider that Britons live much better than the Argies?
How are you measuring that?
BTW what do you mean by asking “Where's Argentina's Skylon?”..????
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