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Argentina surprised by EU request to delay another month trade negotiations with Mercosur

Friday, December 13th 2013 - 12:57 UTC
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The European Union has asked for a one-month delay in the exchange of proposals to kick off free-trade negotiations with Mercosur, Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich confirmed on Thursday. The news was first reported by Sao Paulo newspapers on statements from Brazilian Foreign minister Luiz Fernando Figuereido. Read full article


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  • Idlehands

    So the French are blocking from the European end and we have yet to see what Argentina has to offer on its list. I can't see how it will ever lead to an agreement given the trade and currency controls in Argentina. It's all doomed to failure - but I'm sure all those involved are getting nice lunches and handsome salaries while they stretch it out.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Argentina should be banned from any free trade until they renounce their violent intent and aggression, against a fellow EU member,

    If indeed the unmighty EU had any morals and respect for the British people, they would have done something years ago,

    Even Spain is tolerated,

    The sooner we get of this corrupt gravy train the better,
    Just my opinion.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Europe thought they could play on Mercosur division.
    They never imagined even Argentina would get their proposal ready so fast. Now, they lost their joker in Paraguay, as they lost their excuse of Mercosur not coming up with a common proposal.
    They woke up with the ball in their garden and just don't know what to do with it.

    Mercosur is ready.

    To lower EU tariffs.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Argentina has 40+ countries that have officially complained at WTO.
    Brazil has lost its status as an EU developing country.
    Both countries need this deal with the EU as their exports stumble and business close. The EU not so much.
    Brazil must be freaking out with the delay. Their export numbers are going to be significantly lower starting 1/1/14.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The Chinese buys more SA goods than ever. In many countries more than Europe ever bought. SA nations have yearly growths of around 4% on a bad year, while Europe celebrates a rise of 0.5% as if it was the start of a new industrial revolution.

    Live with your delusion, the truth is just too blatant, yanqui...

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    So you would rather sell low profit margin commodities to a poor country rather than high profit mfg items to rich countries.
    Do you see why your model is failing?

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    No, yanqui.
    I'd rather sell low profit goods than giving you lot 30 year deals to sack our continent.

    Do you see why our economies are getting healthier?

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Which economies are getting better? The ones aligned with the USA of course.
    The Alba/MercoSur block is faltering or failed.
    Do you read any current news or just make stuff up as you go?

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    GDP's for 2012:
    in Millions$ from IMF
    note UN or world bank figures are very similar.

    16,673,333 EU
    16,244,575 US
    8,221,015 China
    2,253,090 Brazil
    475,211 Argentina
    381,286 Venezuela
    369,018 Colombia
    198,851 Peru
    84,040 Ecuador
    49,920 Uruguay
    27,232 Bolivia
    2,828 Guyana

    Population in millions:
    1,351 China
    508 EU
    386 South America
    317 US

    The EU growth may be lower but it is sustainable without the hyperinflation, or the artificial constraints put on currency exchange rates, seen elsewhere.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    EU has a common debt of what? 20 Trillions USD?

    How on earth is that healthy???
    It's like me going to the bank borrowing a couple of millions only to flash my (???) cash to the neighbour, calling him poor.

    At least you lot are consistent in your delusions...

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    9. Even if growth rate is low in the EU the GDP base and wealth is much greater than China. They'll never catch up to either the USA or EU. Their “won decade” is over too. Their population curve is working against them and there is no way for them to fix it.
    All they need is for the 1000s of civil unrest in the Provinces to move into the cities and the regime will fall.
    It is just a matter of time

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You keep saying that yanqui.

    In the meantime, you have closer and closer to your home for every day that passes...

    Close your eyes and trust in the bible ;)

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie, you can not give me any current stats or examples in history where Collectivism/Communism has worked. ever. never. not once.
    China has brought a very slim portion of their HUGE population from destitution to poor/low middle class in a few generations. How is this good? How are they going to bring the majority of their population into the next level? Their model is failing, they are no longer the world's cheap worker bees. Now what?
    They are very much in debt, can't feed their population, have massive civil unrest, majority of population is destitute, have very little potable water and MAJOR Pollution LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE in theier cities.
    Tell me, how do they fix it with 300MM people over 65 in the next 10 yrs.
    Specifics please.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The commune of Paris.

    China is by no means perfect. They just aren't parasites to the rest of the globe, like you lot...

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    How quick you are to disassociate yourself with parasitic Spanish colonialism.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Surprised? On a lighter note I quote a line from Stanley Holloways monologues
    “And down came a crow,
    Looking so surprised,
    With a ramrod through its gizzard”

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Spanish colonialism in SA ended some 200 years ago, the last remnants being dealt with today (read Repsol).
    I can't see how I would be associated with that.
    I might be a descendant of Spaniards, but I'm also a descendant of French, Italian, Portuguese, Greek, Russian, Charrúa.

    And I promise you, I have nothing to do with the possible upcoming gas shortages in Europe, despite my Russian ancestors...

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    If it has to do with Agriculture it will be France for sure...
    Those French farmers...anyone remember in the 90's the French farmers blockading all the British Goods...burning and poisoning sheep and attacking Dutch and British trucks....
    They exist on subsidies and won't want unfavourable competition.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @3, 5, 7, 10, 12, 14, 17 What is it with you? An inability to spell? Or have your eyes gone because of constant self-abuse? Seems like you deserve the title “Tosser”. Or is that “Dribbler”? Easy to see what the EU should do. An “argie”. Kick the ball down the road. No-one “needs” mercocrap. Is there a clause enabling European armed forces to occupy defaulting mercomembers and take over the relevant government?

    So sell your crap to China. They aren't so picky. With a population of 1.35 billion, a few hundred thousand deaths are immaterial. Mind you, they might decide to bomb you!

    Healthy? Is that the equivalent of moving from starving to malnourished? Ever “thought” about this? European companies buy latam produce. European consumers refuse to buy it. Do those European companies continue buying?

    @14 Will Uruguay be next?

    @17 So you're a mongrel. Spaniards, French, Italians, Russians. All into imperialist colonialism. And genocide.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @17 Stevie
    “Spanish colonialism in SA ended some 200 years ago”

    Then Creole colonialism took over, which has continued to the present day.

    Just ask the Mapuche.

    @18 A_Voice
    Not necessarily, but if it is, it’s probably not only France, think Mediterranean climates.

    Alternatively it may just be a negotiating ploy to step up the pressure on Brazil, make it easier to get concessions from them when negotiations actually start.

    Given they are the only ones under time pressure, and the only ones who matter on the Murcosur side.

    All part of the fiendish Europlan to rob SA of all it has.


    Dec 13th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @18 A_Voice
    I agree.

    @ Stevie
    Why is it “sacking” when the EU or US buy our raw materials but not when China does it?

    Besides Brazil, the only SA nation with reasonable industry, stands a much better chance of finding markets where it can compete in Europe than in China.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @18 Yes, most likely France.

    The economy in France is worrying.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Greece, Italy and Spain don't have the controlling influence of France and I very much doubt they could delay anything, it's France and Germany that is the EU.
    Have you ever driven through France and Germany compared to the UK... try spotting foreign cars 90% of the vehicles in France are French and the same in Germany even the taxis are Mercs..
    How they manage to restrict the foreign imports legally....I don't know, but they do..

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie is biased towards the USA because he thinks we made his family flee to the EU.
    He is mistaken but brainwashed so there is no getting through that thick head.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    They do say,
    That Germany uses the UK to off set the French,
    The French use the UK or off set the Germans,

    The British use themselves to create a balance of power between them,
    If the British go [and they will]

    Germany will fear French exploitation and influence,

    And the French will fear German power, strength and future expansion,

    And the British will fear neither of them
    But will trade with them both just as before,

    So they say.


    Dec 13th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @23 A_Voice
    The structure of Europe is such that even small countries can cause delays like this, if they have a mind to.

    Usually the French have “all their ducks in a row” long before this point, as you said, a controlling influence.

    All speculation at this point, as no reason has been revealed, yet.

    I have been round Europe a few times, and yes cars are like football shirts, sometimes it’s the only way you know you have crossed a border.

    They don’t even try and “restrict” things when you only have to go a few miles down the road, across a border, and buy it there. They are just nationalists about their cars.

    Merc taxis are everywhere, every taxi driver that does not have one, wants one.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    SHORT TERM Arg Gov't bonds paying 38%.
    Holy Crap!
    Hyperinflation has begun.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    “Argentina surprised...” - I laugh myself to dead. capitanowitsch is a clown.

    Dec 13th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Europe, give us alone! The colonization is over!

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ....did you mean leave us alone ....or give us a loan?

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    29. Brazil is the one begging for this agreement not the EU.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro


    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    leave us a loan?

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Deixem-nos, only. I say in portuguese. Deixem-nos!

    Leave us alone!

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    leaves..? ...what have leaves got to do with it?

    That time of year thou mayst in me behold
    When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang
    Upon those boughs which shake against the cold,
    Bare ruined choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.
    In me thou see’st the twilight of such day
    As after sunset fadeth in the west;
    Which by and by black night doth take away,
    Death’s second self, that seals up all in rest.
    In me thou see’st the glowing of such fire,
    That on the ashes of his youth doth lie,
    As the deathbed whereon it must expire,
    Consumed with that which it was nourished by.
    This thou perceiv’st, which makes thy love more strong,
    To love that well which thou must leave ere long. a European.....

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Camões in english. Good.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @18 & 22


    Dec 14th, 2013 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Française from Guiana. Mercy.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Giorgio B. Tsoukalos

    Oh these Anglo humans are just so bemusingly arrogant. The question is... on what do they base it? As an “outsider”, and I mean an “outsider”, I ponder that.

    Sure they have some points in their favor, but more points than any of those other people and nations they so indiscriminately trash and vilipend, either directly or by suggesting as above that they (UK) should leave the proto-Earth government of the EU, and that the others will simply pretend it did not happen and jolly trade with them? lol.

    I think they and even the Latin humans here need to chill out. It is the two week holiday season. Enjoy!!

    All of you have already asked Santa for your wishes? (psss... he's not really Santa under the red suit).

    I sure have!

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Ooh I didn't know “Anglos” was a race.

    Glad to see they're are the dominant life form on this planet. Even outsiders recognise it.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Giorgio B. Tsoukalos

    Where did I say they are dominant? You absolutely are a race, easily distinguished by several logarithmic parameters.

    What did you wish for Christmas? And what did you think of my wish.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

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    Dec 14th, 2013 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Brasileiro, Are you stupid or can't you read your own newspapers? Brazil is in panic mode over losing the preferential import rates from the EU. They expire at the end of this month. The EU couldn't care less about a timeline to closure of an FTA with MercoSur.
    I am sure they will force Arg to open the markets and prove that they will comply before an agreement is finalized. Do you seriously think Germany/Italy/France are going to allow a MS member to tax cars at 50% and restrict entry by 20%?
    They won't
    So unless Brazil gets its own FTA I don't see this deal ever happening.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Either Europe finishes with agricultural subsidies and open their primary market, or no FTA. Very simple!

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    44. Brazil will cave over the farming exports. Argentina can't meet the sanitary standards.
    What a waste of time.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Yes, yankeeboy. I agree.

    Dec 14th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Well done Brasileiro your comment @36 was very sharp wit...caught me by surprise...
    ...and there was me, thinking I was making fun of you.....;-)

    Dec 15th, 2013 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @38 Mercy? Sorry, no chance. Or did you mean “Merci”? You really must try “education” as well as cleaning cesspits. Don't get brown fingerprints on the comics.
    @39 You couldn't ponder, even if you had a pond. Although ponds have “pond life” and “scum”. “Anglos” as you like to say, demonstrating your racist xenophobia, are responsible for most of the advances of the human race. “Anglos” can be traced back at least 1,950 years. It isn't “arrogance”, a fault latinos have adopted in a failed attempt to make up for lack of competence and intelligence, it's a justifiable assessment. Who's surprised that sub-human latinos need to justify themselves? May you get your wishes! A decent government, intelligence, education, electricity, food, air!
    @41 But we are dominant! So many “professions” that can't be engaged in unless you speak and understand OUR language. The dominant language of OUR planet. Why do you HAVE to speak OUR language on here? Mind you, WE do tolerate peasants that still use gibberish. Is your favourite word still “Ugg”? Whereas I think of you (as little as possible) and think “Ugh”!
    @44 Oh good. Rid of you then!

    Dec 15th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie, Just wondering if you want to offer a comment on the rioting that killed 16 people ( most likely many more) this weekend in your oh so admired China?
    Yeah its all going swimmingly
    You are one dumb cluck

    Dec 16th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie


    Dec 16th, 2013 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yeah par for the course you're too dumb to offer a thoughtful response.
    I don't know why I bothered.

    Dec 16th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yeah... I don't know why you bothered either...

    Dec 16th, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I find it fascinating that your kept all the prejudices, bad education, lack of logic, basically all the reasons SA are not able to succeed in the Northern world even though you were brought up in it.
    Your parents must not be very smart.
    and they set you up to fail.
    I feel sorry for you, you must be a very sad guy.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I still don't know why you bother...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    It is a hope that someday you'll see the errors of your ways.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Maybe you should try bothering with your own flaws.
    I understand loneliness is a tough bugger, but if you opened up a bit and pretended to be human, you'll actually might.... no... hmmm... There are MMO's out there where you can take on a personality and pretend you are a good man. How about that?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I actually have trouble getting alone time, clients, friends, family always seem to be around and wanting something.
    Maybe you should look in the mirror and read that post to yourself.
    So explain to me how your stupid commie parents could raise you in a Northern country to be so prejudiced about the people you are surrounded by?
    Seems pretty idiotic and hypocritical to me
    Are they not grateful for the shelter, the better way of life, the good schools, the nice people? Most south americans are very happy and proud to immigrate to a civilized country.
    Do you feel like you don't belong anywhere?
    Probably that is why you are so bitter.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Sure yanqui, I can imagine the cue of people in your property, wanting to see the light in your crystal ball...

    I don't know why I even bother....

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Wow Stevie, you have a crystal ball? Have you donated it to medical science in the event of you becoming fertilizer?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Nope redpoll, that would be yanqui. And I think they tried his sort as fertilizer in Carthage. Doesn't work.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie not everyone is as sad and lonely as you.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie


    And some people are sadder AND more lonely.

    Like you...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You are barking up the wrong tree
    but I obviously have hit the nail on the head

    BTW I am going to Norway this summer to visit my friend shall I stop by? Do you live in a dangerous neighborhood?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Not at all. Drop by, by all means.
    I was just teaching my son a outcome of pairing an animal (lobo) with boardgame (ludo).
    You'll do fine as a perfect example...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Wow, Stevie as the new Scipio Africanus!! Cartago delenda est!
    So Stevie, who are you going to donate your crystal balls to?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Not sure yet, but I'll send you a cucurucho... It's solid gold!


    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Silly sad man you don't belong in either place that you try to call home.
    That's why you are so angry all the time.

    I hope you don't ruin your sons life like your parents ruined yours.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Hahahaha yanqui!
    I'm the angry one? I'm being called all sorts of things by you, amongst others, and I'm the angry one?


    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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