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Falklands oil industry: Buenos Aires rejects UK formal protest; 'Malvinas are Argentine'
Argentina formally rejected on Tuesday the United Kingdom's 16 December protest against the latest Argentine hydrocarbons legislation which seeks to criminalize oil industry activities in Falklands/Malvinas Islands waters and which London argues is not applicable to the Islands. Read full article
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Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0British investors do not like the hydrocarbons bill...
Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Come back here after a few years and to see RKH still lingering around this price going no-where...
The dream is over people cut your losses and get into something good.... the bullmarket is leaving without you”
Just what is the point of passing absolutely bloody useless laws. What is CFK and her clownprince hoping to achieve? Everyone knows the Falklands are British Argentine laws hold no sway here. Its just another time wasting exercise!
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Panto season has arrived. “Oh no their not!!!!!”
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well!!!!!!!! They would do wouldn't they!!!!!!! Foolish people!
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is your evidence for that?
Apart from one legally necessary protest that was calibrated to be the bare minimum it has had no other impact.
Your country will not arrest any foreign nationals because to do so would be idiotic, though i grant you, not much more idiotic than passing the bill in the first place.
Remember, this is all for internal consumption - that you don't see that is why your leaders keep coming back to this lost cause year after year.
Carry on as normal then.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is within its rights to complain. Argentina is within its rights to be stupid. A country that could ban the imports of books because of the lead content of the ink is stupid. Argentina are probably working on their next idiot laws: walking on the cracks in the pavement and whistling on a tuesday.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are willing to carry on bi-lateral talks - rubbish. Timberheads empty chair earlier this year proves that.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0RGland claims that the only British citizens who happen to be squatting on the Falklands (UNGA resolution 2625 says they have a separate identity by the way) but runs when these same 'only British citizens' are included as part of the British delegation.
How stupid can they look?
There are certain Argentinos who do not have the dignity to realise just how arrogant and stupid they are! When will they learn their lesson?
Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes come on Marcos - please list the evidence you have that the Oil Companies currently involved around the islands are concerned and delaying or stoppinf investment because of Argentine actions?
Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Alsdo as you and every other malvanista on here knows 100% - Talks were on offer a few months ago in Londo- and WHO refused to attend?
YOUR Foreign Minister!
If you think the falklands are yours come and take them !
Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Defend the right:)
@2 - Hilarious post.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody cares about pointless Argentine laws that are not worth the paper they are written on outside of Argentina.
If you hadn't noticed, UK investors are completely ignoring all of these worthless speeches and laws.
It's comical and nobody is taking it seriously.
Afraid it is you argies that are in “dreamland”. Here are the basic FACTS. What happens to the Falkands oil industry is irrelevant. The UK was prepared to defend the Islands and their population long before there was any indication of a possible oil industry. The UK continues to defend the Islands and their population to the extent of around 1200 ground troops, 8 military aircraft, an armed patrol vessel, a fleet auxiliary and a visiting frigate or destroyer. The UK had to give the lives of 255 British servicemen and 3 Islanders in 1982. A price that argieland has not yet paid. Argieland never seems to learn from history. In 1832/3, the UK had to send a far smaller “task force” to expel an illegal military garrison put in place by a predecessor to argieland, together with attendant pirates. Even further back, Great Britain saw off the illegal military adventure of the Spanish Empire that took place in 1770/71. What is it about that history that you don't understand? We're not that interested in the imperialist colonialist aspirations of a bunch of murdering war criminals. If you're so keen on the Islands, get yourself a visa and a work permit. I only have a limited duration crysta ball, so I can tell you that, for the next thousand years, you'll have to make do with the “malvinas” in Cordoba.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0#2
Dec 18th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Marcos, make up your mind. On one hand you tell us that the UK is plundering Argentine's oil reserves and then you tell us that there is NO oil worth extracting. Which is it ?
@15
Dec 18th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Consistency has never been a noticeable trait in Marcos.
I wish the Argentines would hurry up and actually arrest somebody. It'd be an awful lot of fun to watch the fallout.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php/component/content/article/31-oil/640-falklands-government-reaches-agreement-with-rockhopper-exploration-on-tax-bill
Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should help things along nicely :-)
What frame work exactly Sr. Eduardo Zuaín ? or is this simply another indoctrinated myth. “...adopted in the framework of International Law enforcement. ...”. What “...Argentine maritime spaces ...Argentine continental shelf...” could you possibly be referring to? As the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”
Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please remember UN resolutions are merely none-binding advisements and remember “there is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”. Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Professor Ian Brownlie
so many argies believe what they are told,
Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can do what it wants to the British , when it wants , how it wants ,
they can even control the world,
what we say is simple and to the point,
Prove It.
bla bla bla .
Haw haw haw....gotta hand it to these Argie dwarfs they're a laugh a minute...!
Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Threatened with arrest yet they want oil companies to invest.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How dumb are these people?
Very
Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm looking forward to the images of the Argentines ”enforcing' these laws. Picture water cannons from an oil rig spraying down the Argentine navy rowboats (since they have nothing else that floats) circling the rig as the rowboat “Commander” tries to speak bad English into a bullhorn. And watching these rowboats sink one by one into the sea without a shot fired. What wonderful comic relief these people give us!
Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#21 jwolf
Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me Mr. Pirate, would you mind coming with us to Argentina so we can send you to prison... please???
All the British oil companies operating in the FALKLANDS have been advised by the foreign office not to visit Argentina, one was reported in saying “ why on earth would we want to go to Argentina, they have nothing that is of use to us ”
Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxCBD5ri9y9UNk1NVnhnV2xpUXc/edit?pli=1
Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I'll pop into my local police station with a spade and inform them that I intend going to the Falklands to look for oil, that they should arrest me and immediately inform the Argentine Embassy.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can predict their response, check to see if anyone is missing from the psychiatric wing of our local hospital!!!!!!
@26, Are oil rigs bonded against injury to felony trespassers caused by their own stupidity? I'm sure that any fully legitimate action by an oil rig against the Argentine “Navy” would be immediately followed by a tort action by the little crybabies.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#27
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No reado dago !
Could anyone explain why the Argentine MFA is called “Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto”?? What on earth has “cults” to do with foreign affairs? But “Malvinism” is perhaps the state religion of Argentina.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do have to admit all this diplomatic circus is funny, including when it is by Argentina.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Equally funny though is what I have always said here: monolinguals are just plain dumb.
@31 “culto” = cult
hahahaha
@31, Hmm.. maybe they're hoping to get an infusion of naval expertise from the Sea Org?
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well. I am not very good in Spanish. But as far as i know “culto” ( https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culto ) means the same as “Cult” ( https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culto ) described in the Spanish Wikipedia as “manifestaciones exotéricas de una religión”.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps it is only natural. You can only “believe” in the creed “Malvinas Argentinas”, but you cannot “prove” it.
@35
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How quaint, and typical of the Anglos, the chutzpah to try to teach a speaker of 20 years of a language by the use of an online public dictionary.
Booked as a classic.
If you are such an expert tell us what “culto” means in this name?
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you a “speaker of 20 years of language”? Interesting.
That's OK, all the UK need to do by way of refutation has been done.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0International law now weighs evidence and finds Argentina sorely wanting.
Oil multinationals are totally welcome to work in the Falklands EEZ and in Argentina, fully aware that, in court, they will always win.
The oil companies have more money than little ol' Argentina and, from now on, will always win.
David Icke on proof that reptilians exist :
Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140181
The relevance ? Oh , none at all , but if Zuain can make things up , why shouldn't David Icke ?
#35
Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personality change again ? Mono lingual ? Why do we need anything else when we have the best language which is understood world- wide. You HAD to learn it or you could not post here on an ENGLISH LANGUAGE SITE
“”Equally funny though is what I have always said here: monolinguals are just plain dumb“”
If that's the case then the bulk of your population must be so.
The bulk of the populations in China and Africa must also be dumb.
Your self conceit knows no bounds.
Why do you assume Swede speaks only English ? He could also speak Swedish and other Scandinavian tongues. He obviously sees no need to speak a useless tongue like Spanish.
Your reply is a bit confusing as your English is unclear.
You are either :-
1) 20 years old and came from your mother's womb speaking your native tongue.... a remarkable achievement OR
2) You learned the language at a later date and are over 20 years old.
Either ..or.
“You are either 20, or older” after the man tells you he's been speaking Spanish for 20 years.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you see what he means by “dumb monolinguals”?
“It's a TrOLL Road” must be rather confused. As most believers in the esoteric “Malvinist Cult”.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having said all this,
Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are we to assume CFK means only British,
or does she mean the world, as in trading with the Falkland's
so if an American , Frenchman , or a Chinese man went to the Falkland's and then went to Argentina, they would be arrested..,
@27 José Malvinero
Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sugiero que facilite una traducción de la nota enviada a la Embajada Británica.
(I suggest you supply a translation of the note sent to the British Embassy.)
That way we can all appreciate the Argentine bullshit!
I am afraid that everyone falls for the boring assertions of a few malvinistas. Their comments are akin to someone poking a wasp nest and watching the results. Best to ignore.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2: Por que pensas que los ingleses no puedan hablar tu lingua? No es dificil.
The delusional Argentine's at their best - still living in a land of make believe and spinning 'the Great Malvinas Lie.'
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make believe inflation - 10.5% against real inflation - 26%
Make believe UN resolutions against - UK is not in breach of ANY UN resolutions (B K Moon).
Make believe squatters against Falkland Islanders with 'the right to self-determination.' (confirmed by UN ICJ Advisory opinions in 1971 & 1975).
Plus
a very real position of 106th place in the Global Transparency Index - woeful for a so-called G20 country.
So sad.
Andreas
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because you misspell it like I've rarely seen before.
Piensas or pensás, not pensas.
Difícil, not dificil.
Pueden, not puedan.
Lengua, not lingua.
Håll dig till svenskan, Adde lille...
@Gordo1
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In short translation...
We don't care a shit about your protest and we will prosecute any Johnny or Juanito involved in oil operation and we will ask extradition if require...
The Ministry or Foreign Affairs and Culture Club.
Signed by Boy George
Oh Danny you are a funny one.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46:
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have tildes on my keyboard. I haven't studied Spanish since 1996 so I think that minor mistakes are acceptable. The sentence was obviously understandable to you even with the small amount of Portuguese creeping in.
If you are going to play the grammar snob card, I would suggest you don't start producing sentences without verbs. In most cases this is considered poor sentence construction.
Cymru am byth!
Andreas
Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no tildes on your keyboard?
And what on earth has that to do with your lack of accents?
;)
Very drôle!
Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are Argentine...
Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay come and get them then
27 José Malvinero
Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What arrogant narcissistic sophistry from Argentina. Firstly no reliance can be claimed by Argentina on provisions of resolutions 2065
to depriment of the UN charter provision of Article 1 para. 2., as Article 103 prohibits such a reliance.
UN Charter
Article 1
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of and self-determination of peoples, ...
Article 103
In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.
Malvinas are Argentine
Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And
We only want to talk.
Conflicting statements, much?
They can have the Malvinas and all its oil, they aint getting anywhere near the Falklands though.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”The dream is over people cut your losses and get into something good....“”“”
Finally!
Its taken years but FINALLY - he's telling the other Argentines that they've missed the bus and there aint another one coming.
@39
Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get too excited I know English, just one language of many I can speak. Wonderful language, a panoply of words, which unfortunately most of you Anglos do not usufruct due to noetic languor and listlessness.
To briefly respond “culto” in this elevated sense does not mean “cult”, but something akin to “protocol”. As in “when you engage in foreign relations, there is a certain ceremony and protocol or procedures that one must follow”. Which is related to the meaning of “cult” in the religious context of meaning a set of rules and offerings or ceremonies that distinguish one group from another.
In the secular sense, it means “ceremonial protocol” as in what to do to have fructuous foreign relations.
Monolingual education out for the day.
Usufruct? Fructuous? I have learnt a different English because I have difficulty understanding that post.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@(50) Steve
A tilde is what we call it in Spanish and maybe Portuguese too. It I do not speak. In English called an accent.
andreas23 (#51)
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very drÖle!
Über Scandinavian
@47
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We don't care a shit about your protest and we will prosecute any Johnny or Juanito involved in oil operation and we will ask extradition if require...”
Please let us know if anyone does get arrested and convicted within the next 200 years.
Sant Iago
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, but in English, a tilde is the virgulilla in Spanish, the wavy one, ~.
And he was, after all, being clever in English...
Sorry, andreas,
Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yeah, I used to go out with the Sra.Tilde Virgulilla, 'til she ~ed me goodbye.
[It's all gettin' much too drÕll for me!]
Don't tell me, Geoff... She was made out of plastic, wasn't she?
Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chinese quality, I guess... Next time, shave your beard...
@56
Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, the word “culto”has a “secular” meaning (ceremonial protocol) in Spanish. OK, maybe. You should know it better than me.
But the Ministry itself uses the following name in English:
“Ministry Foreign Affairs & Worship Argentine Republic”
http://www.nbiexpo.com/ministry-foreign-affairs-a-worship-argentine-republic
And “worship” means “an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity”
Something lost in translation?
Stevie #62.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chinese like a clean shaven man,in my experience.
Yes, I am currently hirsute - as you know.
So no Chinese.
I guess I'm the only person on Mercopress that reveals the real person -
and I am at ease with this.
Let me tease you, Stevie.
Reveal a bit of yourself; it feels good, and people think better of you for it.
You never know .... ;-)
Geoff
Dec 19th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why on earth would it bother me what you lot on MP think about me? Give me one example in my life where this would have any effect whatsoever...
The vast majority here are a bunch of right-wing fascists that close their eyes to the, historical and present, atrocities committed by their own nations, while pointing their crooked fingers at SA in general and Argentina in particular.
Is that revealing enough for you?
Stevie,
Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume that we are right here and that you are female.
You ask for one life-example where my thoughts of you might have an effect on you.
Well, naturally, I could appeal to your femininity, your desire to see the best in all left-wing socialists that are aware of the atrocities committed through history by their nation of birth;
and I think that you know that, when needs be, I always point at your (?) country with a straight finger.
Well, you know how to send me a personal message, so just do it ... for Christmas. And we'll see if my response has an effect on you ;-)
Hahahaha Geoff!!
Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merry Christmas, you old bugger, you almost got me there!!!
'Malvinas are Argentine' - you're having a laugh.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do people seriously believe this 'deranged rhetoric?'
“Argentine government's willingness to resume bilateral negotiations to find in the shortest time possible, a peaceful solution to the Malvinas Islands question, in accordance with the multiple declarations from United Nations and other international organizations and forums.”
Dec 20th, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately they would not be in accordance with the United Nations declarations as the resolutions have to take into account the provisions of the UN charter and the interests of the population. Also, the Argentines have not yet clocked on to 2008 when the UN rejected Argentina and Spain's attempt to make self-determination invalid for NSGTs.
Keep sticking your head in the sand, Argentina. At least it gives us all a laugh.
#40
Dec 20th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All it has confirmed IS that your command of the English language is NOT as developed as you assume it to be. The nuances escape you and Troll.
Sure, as logic escapes you.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can live with it...
#71
Dec 20th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Logic...coming from YOU ??????
I need no lessons in English from the likes of you or Troll.
You forgot to add your stock piece...... “bombing women and children”
56 It's a TrOLL Road (#)
Dec 21st, 2013 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Culto in this sense refers to faiths/beliefs, not protocol. That section of the ministry deals with religions.
https://www.mrecic.gov.ar/es/secretaria-de-culto
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