A US judge has ruled the National Security Agency's mass collection of telephone data may be unconstitutional. Federal District Judge Richard Leon said the electronic spy agency's practice was an arbitrary invasion. Read full article
Good news, but bad news is..it will continue, because they don't give crap of what a judge says and BELIEVE they are above the law. After all, there are plenty of morons who believe that the NSA protects freedom and lives from those terrorists. Nothing is going to change, because it's all in the patriot act and NDAA.
Obama is beginning to come out with the post-Snowden controls on the excesses of the NSA.
But, if you're right, the NSA will simply view Obama as *part of the national security risk* rather than the big white chief of the nation and the CE of the NSA.
In their warped way of thinking, this will give the Right and its NSA the *right* to continue to subvert the Presidency and the Constitution.
Such a Constitutional intellectual you are geoff. Why are you not professing and Harvard, Brown, Yale and Stanford School of Law? Or lecturing anyway.
The second paragraph demonstrates your total lack of knowledge, not to mention your capacity for critical thought. I can understand your disdain for the processes that the USA undertakes to provide that security it thinks is necessary and I understand the excesses and abuses of their actions. But again, your second paragraph only highlights that you have lived in the 3rd far too long.
Hi, Poppy.
We English are a bit deficient on matters Constitutional, being as we have never had a simple written one.
It's probable that your constitutional breast-beating arises from having a black and white, no nuance, written version.
It seems that you do really try to use the simple text in all contemporary circumstances - a bit like those that try to make modern sense of the Koran or Bible. NRA?
[The only time I ever did an Ivy League lecture was on the back of a US AIR (AIRweb.org) conference paper - at Harvard, in the mid-1990s, the incorporation of marketing into integrated university management systems in the UK, based on the Harvard 'Universe' package (probably long-superseded).]
As you know, Poppy, I despise corruption.
What do YOU think SHOULD happen to those at the top of the NSA (eg CEO and F-Directorate) that have gone way beyond the US Constitution and the laws of the USA (and many other countries)?
Is it only wrong to spy on your own people?
Is it wrong for the NSA to spy on its own President?
Is it wrong for the NSA to spy on other presidents?
and many, many other 'intellectual' issues.
These questions are more difficult for a Englishman, but you may find that your straightforward US Constitution gives you more easy answers.
Also, I guess, when you are retired, the honourable answers fall more easily from the lips.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell, Elaine, at least one Federal judge agrees with me.
Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps there are others.
I agree too ... interesting to go back and look at the comments closer to the time of the leaks:
Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/07/02/unedited-full-version-of-edward-snowden-statement
Like some of us said back then, Snowden did us all a big favor and US would eventually rule against the NSA and other agencies.
Good news, but bad news is..it will continue, because they don't give crap of what a judge says and BELIEVE they are above the law. After all, there are plenty of morons who believe that the NSA protects freedom and lives from those terrorists. Nothing is going to change, because it's all in the patriot act and NDAA.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0'.... it will continue' Fido.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obama is beginning to come out with the post-Snowden controls on the excesses of the NSA.
But, if you're right, the NSA will simply view Obama as *part of the national security risk* rather than the big white chief of the nation and the CE of the NSA.
In their warped way of thinking, this will give the Right and its NSA the *right* to continue to subvert the Presidency and the Constitution.
Such a Constitutional intellectual you are geoff. Why are you not professing and Harvard, Brown, Yale and Stanford School of Law? Or lecturing anyway.
Dec 24th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The second paragraph demonstrates your total lack of knowledge, not to mention your capacity for critical thought. I can understand your disdain for the processes that the USA undertakes to provide that security it thinks is necessary and I understand the excesses and abuses of their actions. But again, your second paragraph only highlights that you have lived in the 3rd far too long.
Hi, Poppy.
Dec 27th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We English are a bit deficient on matters Constitutional, being as we have never had a simple written one.
It's probable that your constitutional breast-beating arises from having a black and white, no nuance, written version.
It seems that you do really try to use the simple text in all contemporary circumstances - a bit like those that try to make modern sense of the Koran or Bible. NRA?
[The only time I ever did an Ivy League lecture was on the back of a US AIR (AIRweb.org) conference paper - at Harvard, in the mid-1990s, the incorporation of marketing into integrated university management systems in the UK, based on the Harvard 'Universe' package (probably long-superseded).]
As you know, Poppy, I despise corruption.
What do YOU think SHOULD happen to those at the top of the NSA (eg CEO and F-Directorate) that have gone way beyond the US Constitution and the laws of the USA (and many other countries)?
Is it only wrong to spy on your own people?
Is it wrong for the NSA to spy on its own President?
Is it wrong for the NSA to spy on other presidents?
and many, many other 'intellectual' issues.
These questions are more difficult for a Englishman, but you may find that your straightforward US Constitution gives you more easy answers.
Also, I guess, when you are retired, the honourable answers fall more easily from the lips.
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