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UK claims Argentina escalating Falklands dispute to divert public opinion from economic problems
Britain accused the Argentine government on Tuesday of revving up a dispute over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands to try to divert public opinion attention away from the country's severe economic problems. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOn the offensive for once instead of just reacting. It's good to see.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puh-recious.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-soaring-number-starving-2880044
There is no nationalist “feeling” in Britain over the Falkland Islands - we just take it for granted that the archipelago is populated by people whose wish is to maintain the “status quo”. There is little animosity towards Argentina and the mass of the Argentine people and, in fact, the matter features little in our day to day life. There exists, however, a determination to defend the Falklands against the nonsensical fairy tale and mythical claims that the territory has been usurped by Britain.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0These claims are, of course, nonsense and have no basis in historical truth and, anyway, Argentina tacitly relinquished them by way of Article 7 of the Arana Southern Treaty ratified in 1850.
The Minister's comments are, of course, “right on the ball”!
@2 Forgetit
Dec 19th, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Still lying after all these years”
http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21591882-official-figures-paint-rosy-picture-so-why-are-argentines-rioting-still-lying-after-all
Determination to defend what is yours is not a nationalistic reaction. Determination to take what is not and never has been yours might be but it is more likely as the minister, a distraction. Malvinistas are nationalistic even on a 'slow news day'.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have been in London for the past two weeks and I'm in London now. Nobody here says a word or can hold a discussion about the Malvinas/Falklands Isles. Many do not know where they are, some remember that there was a short war with Argentina a long time ago, a few of those I met can talk about them. To many, it appears that these islands do not exist...and I'm not in the South bank. Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy 2014! Cheers.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is simply because it is not UK government policy to indoctrinate all british children with a view on the issue whilst they are of school age as is the case in Argentina.
@6 Just because the sovereignty issue is the most important thing on your mind , doesn't mean that the majority of people in Britain share your obsession . They have X factor and Simply Come Dancing to worry about .
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you go to a pub in Aldershot ( trains ever 20 mins from Waterloo ) called “ The Trafalgar ” .
It is full of people who share your point of view and have a deep , personal interest in the history and future of the Malvinas . They hold regular asados , drink mate and there is even Quilmes beer on draft and Argentine football on telly . A regular home from home for an ex pat Argie , in fact .
If you go in there , wear an Argentina football shirt and shout “ Malvinas Argentinas ! ” .The regulars will welcome you into their bosom , buy you drinks all night and talk about the Malvinas and football before having a ritual flag burning .
@6 Argie
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plenty know about falklands but it is not a hot topic in the UK unless activities bring it to the top of the agenda, like Mrs Thatchers funeral, a visit by Prince William. The same with Gibraltar, they are at the back of our minds until something escalates it up the news ladder. The Falklands War is not currently on the history curriculum in schools. I mean, when I was at school in the 70s and 80s, neither was World War I or II. It was the Industrial Revolution, Prison reform, Suffragettes , the Enclosure Act, the Poor Laws, Protestant movement, Slavery. Britain is not solely defined by wars...
It seems to me that the truth strikes a raw nerve with the malvinistas.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0#2
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A little troll-like diversion here, I think, Forgetit!
Food-banks in the UK are an ad hoc way of seeing people through when there is no cash in the pocket.
My son used one once, run by a local church, when the government social provision and rules left him short for a week during a house move. It's like ... Christian charity.
Lots of people have found life difficult in the UK over the last few years. To be left with 'no money left' in the kitty during the Banks-caused recession has meant a lot of 'belt-tightening' for a lot of people. Perturbations on (and beneath) the surface of society.
What I have not seen, however, is the reversion to 'rice and beans' - the lifetime daily diet of the poor in Brasil. [Though I have seen UK students living on pasta and tomato sauce to allow money for a beer diet!]
The poorest in Britain still like their 'ready meals' from the supermarket, and the contents of the food-bank bag that I viewed supported their preference.
@6 Argie : You have to pity the ultra nationalists in Argentina .
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0They only had two wars at the end of the last century .
One was a civil war which is still an open festering wound today .
The second was against Britain , where they were comprehensively and humiliatingly beaten with 10 weeks , by a waning world power fighting 15,000 kms from home. This is also an open festering wound .
Britain on the other hand , was still fighting :
the Cold War ,
Northern Ireland ,
then Gulf War 1 ,
then peace keeping in the former Yugoslavia
Gulf war 2
Sierra Leone
Afghanistan
Libya
So you will forgive them if they forget about about a brush fire war against a country of no consequence that they and the whole world consider nothing more than a puffed up banana republic .
@2 Not able to make much of a parallel between the UK and Argentina. Yes, we have lots of struggling poor people in the UK as they do in all countries of the world in this global recession. Food banks have become important for many in the UK, but, hopefully, only a temporary measure until things improve. Ironically, the Falkland Islands do not suffer with unemployment or crime or homelessness and will no doubt get richer as the oil dollars flow in. The greedy banks caused it from doing bad deals with poor debtors that do not pay back their loans...like Argentina.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 London is probably not the place to be talking about the Falkland Islands as are you sure that you are talking to a Brit there anyway? Try what Usurping Pirate @8 suggested and I'm sure that you will be unpleasantly surprised.
In the great scheme of things, no 'knowledgeable' thinker on this subject takes anything very seriously that this current bankrupt Argentine government thinks or even threatens it will do. Have a nice Christmas all.
#6 Naughty boy....but funny.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 .... Nice one !! :0
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Naughty. :)
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14/15/16 : I want to be a fly on the wall if he does go there :
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is even in spanish .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U5vY2ebvbY
..same old tune from Britain...isn´t that what they said about spain and gibraltar..the record is getting old...
Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Argies should kiss CFKs backside and thank the stars you have a determined leader,
Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And how very lucky you are in dealing with donkeys,
Now let’s not be hasty here,
She is wrong, using the Falklands as an excuse to terrorise innocent islanders,
She ignores all the rules, for self interest regarding her deluded dreams of a south American empire,
She insults the British government, abuses their gentlemanly manners,
And self restraining approach,
Argentina claims its law applies to Falklands waters
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=32178
summoned Britain’s ambassador in Buenos Aires for a meeting
Zuain had summoned the ambassador to reject a British complaint over the hydrocarbons law.
it asserts that Argentine law applies to the waters around the “Malvinas” - Argentina’s name for the Falklands - South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands because they are an “integral part of the Argentine territory” which is “unlawfully occupied” by Britain
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But one day soon, all this cowardly rhetoric from argentina will end,
When Britain is no longer governed by donkeys and gentlemanly diplomatic talk,
A leader that will do unto you, as you have been doing to others ,
Only quicker , more aggressively , more robustly and put argentina truly in its place,
Where it belongs, in the gutter ,..
.
More than a year ago I started posting comments in this site.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At that time my idea was to be in contact with people from the UK and the FI and have some discussions about, as Pope JP II called it, the “issue of Islands of the South Atlantic”.
I was wrong, I mostly could write posts and comments of hate and anger. I tried to keep myself far from them..but sometimes even myself was dragged to this hatred.
I still believe that there are people, either in Argentina or in the UK, that can talk about this issue without anger and trying to understand the other side.
Being close to the New Year, I would like to wish to those, the very few of them, that write here and can be considered respectful and reasonable a new prosperous year. I extend my wishes to the FI people
I hope one day I can be in contact with people of the FI in a friendly way.
@ 8 Usurping Pirate
Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The regulars will welcome you into their bosom, buy you drinks all night and talk about the Malvinas and football before having a ritual flag burning”
Yes, I can visualise it now! Ha, ha, ha. I think this welcoming would only be exceeded by those at Lympstone and of course 3 Para!
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The priority here should be to keep the country together. Right now, about half the population is supporting the entire nation, while the other half have are a liability.
@8
Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that deserves a 'Sid James' laugh!!!!!
“There is no nationalist “feeling” in Britain over the Falkland Islands”
Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously - since in this moment it's Britain that is holding on to the islands, national passion is still calm. This won't be the case when a meaningful challenge is mounted against its imperial control.
What also helps is that your government and media have numerous other scapegoats for an angry population before it needs to turn to the islands - there are immigrants, there's foreign aid etc. But as you can see, nationalist resentment *is* there, it is directed at foreigners, and the Malvinas *is* foreign - only a matter of time your government uses it to make the population fally around the flag.
@20 pgerman.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are talking about this issue. We rebuff your viewpoint with fact, you respond with fiction. You seek to legitimise your government's action, we rebuff your viewpoint with more fact and not fiction. You ignore fact, you ignore the UN charter, you ignore your own history, you want the islands and you and your government spread lies and falsehoods, from the events of 1833, to the events of 1982. Your government claims to want to talk but won't even sit down with representatives of the islands. You know they'll never say 'yes' to argentina. Who in there right mind would say yes when your country's attitude and rhetoric is so poisonous. The islands remain british... I mean we aren't stopping them going independent, just look at scotland and they are part of our land and we are not forcing anyone. So focus on the true picture, the islands are british, argentina's claim is wholly invalid and the weakness of the claim prevents them going to the ICJ.
@pgerman
Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, this place as it stands will unlikely improve. It hasn't in the last few years I've read the boards. It's almost a pointless slanging match now...
Mind you, name me a forum that involves Arg/FI relation that doesn't descend into incumbents going around in circles labouring the same old points...Come to think of it, that's just about any political forum of any topic!
Happy Christmas!
@8 Usurping Pirate.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I live close to Aldershot - I have decided to invite the Trolly Dolly(Alicia Castro) for a Christmas drink at the Trafalgar. They must serve wine from Argentina!
#20 pgerman. Thankyou for your good wishes and the same to you and yours. 1982, when Argentina invaded the peaceful Falkland Islands has guaranteed in perpuity that there will never be any discussions about soveriegnty. The recent referendum confirms that. Its a totally lost cause for Argentina. The treatment the Islanders received was disgraceful, the whole thing is a black stain on Argentina that will never be forgotten. Whatever Argentina says, whatever any court says Britain will never abandon the islands. Your government understands that perfectly. Britain is just a convenient whipping boy to divert attention from their failings. The sooner Argentina accepts that, the sooner relations will be normal between us. The alternative for you is that once again Argentina invades the islands with overwhelming force that we cannot resist. And that would immediately reinforce your reputation as an international pariah. Presently I continue to buy Argentinian goods. There is no division between real THINKing people in both countries. It is just the trolls and Malvinistas that visit here that provoke reactions from the Falklanders, Brits and our friends around the world.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi friends.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For all my friends in the UK, in Brasil, in Belize, in the EU, and in Argentina - have a great time this Christmas.
For all my on-line friends who I support, reject or upset - you still remain my friends, however much we disagree.
Through the up and downs of life I thank you all for providing me with a little engagement and fun in the alone moments of life and, if I have upset any of you during the year, well ... tomorrow is another day.
Enjoy and respect.
Geoff.
I should think that the average Argie is more concerned about putting bread on the table than their government's 'Great Malvinas Lie' which is pulled out of the bag like a rabbit whenever Argentina has to divert the gullible away from harsh economic news.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I should imagine that the average Argentine, if they have any sense, is getting rather tired and can see through the propaganda.
@ 30 Brit Bob
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, how I wish that were true!
There's an awful lot of reminiscing of the good times they had during the military rule.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be surprised as the economy and society collapse more people don't demand safety and they aren't going to get that with the corrupt police corps.
@24 Perhaps you see the “nationalist” feeling that you criticise because of your “perspective”. I can't recall any of your posts being unbiased, judicious or persuasive. To the best of my recollection, you come on here to be offensive (as @2), supportive of criminals, derogatory or to divert. In which case, you deserve all you get.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here in the UK we have grown up enough to prefer ending wars rather than starting them. But there are many ways of ending wars. One of the reasons that the UK has the fourth greatest military expenditure in the world. And by judicious use of our capabilities we have beaten both China and Russia in the past. And fought the United States to a standstill. We are the types that, as they say, walk softly and carry a big stick.
I hardly find it surprising that extracts from the Portuguese and Spanish Empires are so miffed that Britain has evolved and remained a world power whilst their originating countries have faded into quiet backwaters. And one of the first countries to fall into economic disaster was Portugal. Looking back, I wonder why we bothered to save it from the French. But at least it turned out to be moderately acceptable once it had a dose of British backbone and discipline. Spain has always been a lost cause. Belligerent, from far enough away. Egotistical. Fatuous. Larcenous. Mendacious. Overweening. Puerile. Treacherous. And people wonder why argieland is the way it is. Even today, in the 21st century, Spain hasn't changed. Despite hundreds of years having passed and being admitted into a “community”, or even a union, it maintains its characteristics. As does its main latam excrescence.
You decry our “nationalism”. When you can approach subjects with equanimity and honesty..... But why bother? You, and your southern neighbours, aren't that mature. Therefore, limited by characters etc, stay away from our territory. We'd like to be “friends” but we don't appreciate lies and treachery. Remember what we did to Germany!
If you wish for peace prepare for war.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.uk/en/the-ships.aspx
Nothing else between the UK and Argentina matters, we can never trust them.
I think Argentina should tell the UK to worry more about the structural integrity of their theaters than of Argentina's economy.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could even save some British lives, forbid the case the dilapidated structures in London decided to start collapsing.
Oh...
35. You are posting so that means you must not be in Argentina.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It a heatwave a tropical heat wave the mercury is rising and the Chinese groceries are closed so they don't get looted and die.
Lovely
No water or electricity for 6 days.
I wonder how many people have to die before the Gov't allows the electric company to import the equipment they need to fix this?
I hear hospitals are shutting down
and
cancer patients can't get their radiation
@35
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes the blitz was nothing compared to structural integrity of the theatres.
@36
Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a retard. I wasn't here last day or two because I lost internet and just got it fixed. No loss of power.
No water and electricity for 6 days? really?
So what's the death toll between people dying of thirst, heat stroke, or life support at hospitals losing back up power? 1.000? 10.000?
6 days without power and water is an entire week.
Not another lie, huh?
6 Argie
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure your experiences are pretty typical.. I have Argentinian friends in London who have been here for years and they assure me the only time they ever hear anything about the Falklands is when they raise the issue. There really is very little interest or knowledge of Argentinas claim. Most people would assume that the future of the Islands to be purely a matter for the islanders themselves. Their right of self determination is simply self evident and needs no further explanation.
Most people would also probably regard the forcible incorporation of the islands into the Argentine republic against the wishes of the islanders as perverse in this day and age.
You are right however, the falklands are just not a national obsession as they are in Argentina. There is little or no mention of them at school either.
Yet the same people totally sat idle as the UK forcefully incorporated Iraq. Very fickle values.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't want to hear a word about “oh but we protested”. I don't remember any protests, and if they actually existed, well that shows how much of a democracy you really are. The government and politics just told you to f00k off, you have no say.
40 It's a TrOLL Road
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has Iraq got to do with the Falklands? In what sense was Iraq “incorporated”? Incorporated into what?
The Stop the war protest was the largest protest in British history. Even the police estimate 3/4 million people took part.
We live in a “Parliamentary ” democracy. Decisions are made by an elected parliament, not street demonstrations. Parliament was elected by the people.
If yu really support the idea of people having a “say” you will then support the Falklanders referendum result.
@40 Over one million marched in London to protest. The fact that you don't remember should worry you.
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't seem to understand how a democracy works. I understand that when you live in a country like Argentina.
40 It's a TrOLL Road
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. However the point I was making was that here in Britain the Falklands just isn;t news. People aren't obssessed by the issue the way they are in Argentina. This is because all Argentine citizens have to be indoctrinated into the Malvinas cause by law. Schools have no choice but to teach their pupils the official Malvinas ideology however false it is. There is no real debate, or any reference to the historical documents or facts.
35 It's a TrOLL Road
Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think Argentina should tell the UK to worry more about the structural integrity of their theaters than of Argentina's economy.Could even save some British lives, forbid the case the dilapidated structures in London decided to start collapsing”
Why? did someone die?
You really are a retard arn't you? the roof collapse caused no deaths. 4 “seriously injured”. 81 “walking wounded”. zero ( and I'll say that again ) zero deaths.
While we are “diverting”..........When is the “implanted” population of argentina going to give the land back to it's rightful owners?
@42
Dec 20th, 2013 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you and the other Brits here are the ones calling on mass demonstrations to overthrow CFK. Well, geez, thanks for the lesson on democracy you “whizes”.
@44
When the implanted Anglo population vacates all land between Halifax and San Francisco, with pleasure we shall do the same. How about it.
LOL, so now only if people die do the British consider buildings “unsafe”. Well that's a relief, I'm sure that reassures everyone in your country.
44 toooldtodieyoung
Dec 20th, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello my old mate. Long time.
The Apollo Theatre incident wasn't even a roof collapse. Just some old heavy ornate plaster fell from the ceiling.
45
I know that you've always supported the Falklands on these pages and I get that you hate Brits and Europeans and, I think, Americans, etc. I get all that and fair enough.
But what the fuck is wrong with you with all these name changes? You don't even try to hide the fact that they are all you. WTF is wrong with you? LOL!
Toby how many buildings yes whole building collapsed this year in Arg? 5? 10?
Dec 20th, 2013 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good gracious such a commotion over plaster falling.
Not quite the same now is it?
Btw cancer patients have been without their radiation treatments for 6 days in BA.
How many people you think need to die over govt incompetence?
Poor moron fool, this guy. Looks a comment 10 years ago. So the claim of Argentina to the indisputable sovereignty over the Malvinas Argentinas Islands, is new to this idiot.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that forgets claims from 1833 onwards, the just war of 1982, etc.., etc.. so with all kinds of governments ...
“I certainly believe that part of the Kirchner government's rhetoric is to try and create a distraction to the ... huge economic problems they have in Argentina,”, bhu, bhu, bhu, moron!
“the just war of 1982” Yeah initiated by the “just” military dictatorship no doubt?
Dec 20th, 2013 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell that to the Nuns thrown out of the Helicopter at 2000 feet.
@47
Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You as an American talking about collapsing structures, you can't remember?
@46
Many of my name changes are not by choice. If my opposing voice is silenced by Mercopress, I will return, but I will make it clear that censorship DID occur. In the last incident it was musical sensorship.
Hate is crudely accurate. More like “unrestrained animus and loathing”.
I hear traffic in BA was pretty bad with the HUGE swaths of the city and Province without electricity and the many protesters.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds delightful.
I hope it lasts for a couple weeks
Then I'll ecstatic
zzz...
Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Provincial Governors are thinking about using Patacones again.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha
Won Decade Lost Generation
You're screwed Toby
Absolutely screwed.
I hope you've been stocking that Sugar like I told you.
And the USA? Lost decade, no generation.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 04 jobs can't pay bills
country with least social mobility (with UK)
current generation poorer than 80s generation
income inequality near Brazil's
still got mass shootings
@ 8 Usurping Pirate
Dec 20th, 2013 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0instigation of murder is a criminal offense! :-)
Plenty of electricity - although not in Buenos Aires:
http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/010/490/0010490673.JPG
Friends in Balvanera without power for 3 days so far.
Never mind, no problems in Argentina - except, perhaps, no money.
“Corrientes planea emitir una moneda paralela”
Corrientes is planning to emit parallel money, just like in the good old days (2001 and 2002).
http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/010/490/0010490673.JPG
You mean a la bitcoin?
Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Europeans are going crazy over that alternative currency, could have something to do with the lack of faith in the Euro and the monopoly paper bills, sorry, the dollar...
@48
Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It seems that forgets claims from 1833 onwards, the just war of 1982, etc.., etc.. so with all kinds of governments ...”
How inconvenient for you that Argentina dropped its claims in 1850, and spent many decades where no protest was issued by Argentina, which you '“It seems that forgets.'
”the just war of 1982“
By that logic, your fascists that started the war were also justified in killing 30,000 Argentines, and would have been justified invading Chile afterwards?
” So the claim of Argentina to the indisputable sovereignty over the Malvinas Argentinas“
If your claim to the Falkland Islands is undisputable, why do the people born and living there dispute it?
As for your claim to the Malvinas-no one disputes that because the Malvinas exist in the fiction of fairy tale, never, never land, presumably a place where the 'wine goes bad.'
”It seems that forgets claims from 1833 onwards, ”
As you forget Britain's claims from 1690, 1765 etc etc etc.
Kettle. Pot. Black.
Our buildings are a lot safer than your transportation system, and that my dear troll, is a fact.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pete.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no point showing the truth to Jose Malvinero...he is indoctrinated...wasting his life believing lies he was force fed as a child.
I am glad he acknowledges that Argentinas claim begins on Jan 6th 1833. No more of that “inheritance from Spain” shit.
It is indeed true that in November 1832 the SS Sarandi landed on the islands with her 50 crew and attempted to claim the islands for the United Provinces of Rio Plata.
It is also true that the crew, made up of conscripts and a handful of militia, mutinied, murdered their captain Esteban Mestevier, and raped his wife in front of their children.
It is also true that prior to the Sarandi leaving the UP (which was at the time over 1000 miles away, prior to Argentinas genocidal colonist massacre through Patagonia in 1880), Britain had reminded the UP of its historical sovereignty claim dating back to 1690.
It is also true that when the HMS Clio arrived, in January 1833, having set sail not long after the Sarandi, Captain Onslow ordered only the remaining crew of the Sarandi to leave, and four of the Vernet business community elected to go too.
Finally, it is true that the UK and Argentina signed a Treaty of Friendship in 1850 which put all existing disputes to bed.
Sadly, Jose Malvinero despises these truths....he can't accept them as to do so would mean his lifes addiction and indoctrination was wrong...and that he has continually made a complete dick of himself.
However, true they are...and a dick he is!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10529997/David-Cameron-promises-to-defend-Falklands.html
Dec 20th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There has been a new ministry created in Argentina, headed by Daniel Filmus.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ministry of Issues Relating to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas in the South Atlantic”
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201312/45460-filmus-conducira-una-nueva-secretaria-abocada-a-la-cuestion-malvinas.html
@ 56 Stevie
Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only a very stupid person could ask “a la bitcoin?” as the link to Clarin explains the dire economic problems Argentine provinces have. Reminds me of Neuquen 2007 where the new mayor had only 14 pesos to pay wages to all the public servants.
Does anyone know if the UK and Argentina signed a peace treaty after the 1982 war?
Dec 20th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or
are the two countries still at war so the UK is at liberty to bomb the Argentine mainland at will?
Does anybody know why the UK never demanded 1982 war reparations from Argentina?
Dec 20th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no web-source to give any hint.
This is a Sherlock case of ' The Dog That Didn't Bark',
and the establishment keep VERY quiet about it.
63 Don Alberto
Dec 20th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 064 GeoffWard2
Neither side in the conflict had made a declaration of war. In a statement to parliament on 30th January 1885 Baroness Young, Minister of State at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office declared that there had been a state of armed conflict limited by right of armed self defence under chapter 51 of the UN charter. No peace treaty was therefore required.
Diplomatic relations were severed by both sides on 1st April 1982 and restored on 16th August 1990.
No claim for reparations were ever made by the UK. It is likely that the UK was keen to restore normal diplomatic relations with Argentina and any claim for reparations would prove obstructive in this process. It is unlikely that Argentina's President Menem would have felt culpable for the actions of the military regime of General Galtieri or financially accountable for reparations for a war he had no responsibility for declaring.
War reparations are in fact unusual. The UK made no claim for reparations from Germany after 1945 for example.
The classic case of war reparation were of course after ww1, and very damaging they were too. They played a part in the great depression and were one of the causes of ww2.
63
Dec 20th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was no declaration of war....so they cannot still be at war...
Unlike Berwick upon Tweed...
When Britain declared war on Russia in 1854 Berwick was given a special mention in the declaration of war, but when peace was declared in 1856 Berwick was missed off - so they may still be at war with Russia...
UK CLAIMS ARGENTINA OF KIRCHNER ESCALATING FALKLANDS DISPUTE TO DIVERT PUBLIC OPINION FROM ECONOMIC FRAUD, CORRUPTION, LATIN AMERICAN NAZISM, MONEY LAUNDRY, CONTRABAND, AND ILLEGAL DRUGS PRODUCTION AND TRADE.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your caps lock is stuck on....
Dec 20th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you are right. I was screaming out the truth.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These days, Rupert (#65), it seems that the belligerent doesn't declare war, it just attacks.
Dec 20th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This costs the attacked country a vast amount of money and lives even if it rebuffs the aggressor and 'wins'.
In the old days the 'winner' took land - like in Paraguay, Alsace-Lorraine, Eastern Europe, etc. This land had a value and might be viewed as reparations.
Today, there appears to be no recompense for being attacked in a 'war' or a 'not-war'.
But there is still cost to the exchequer - and cost in terms of loss of life ... but there is no recompense.
It strikes me that the festering wound called the Falkland 'conflict' remains a festering wound because there was no completion of the process.
It is no argument that Menem should not be held accountable on behalf of the country that went to war. It is rare that the defeated leader survives politically (or lives) to stand trial and make recompense.
Britain, after WWII, paid its Lend-Lease, its Anglo-American Loan, and its Marshall Plan bills via technology transfer - radar, sonar, jet engines, nuclear weapons, antitank weaponry, rockets, superchargers, gyroscopic gun-sights, submarine detection, self-sealing fuel tanks, plastic explosives, and the cavity magnetron - and has been functionally bankrupt ever since ... more so because the Labour Party frittered away the huge Marshall Aid.
[War does tend to make you bankrupt.]
Germany and Japan were given significant help to get back on their feet and make a new high-tech way in the world.
No, Rupert, it's my belief that a rigorous claiming for costs incurred is neglected because it establishes international case-law.
The many previous and subsequent wars that Britain has taken part in - especially Iraq - could, and probably very rightly, claim reparations from the UK for eg. 'unjust war'.
“The words nobody can ever say”
Cameron pledges support for Falklands
Dec 20th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=32200
“could not have sent a clearer message
The Argentine Government will never succeed in any attempt,
Britain will always be ready to defend the Falkland Islands.
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La Kretina fights back!
Dec 20th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/articles/noticia.aspx?ix=147880
70 GeoffWard2
Dec 20th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It probably never occurred to the British Government to demand reparations. Why should the new democratically elected Argentine government be held to account for the actions of the unconstitutional military dictatorship? If Britain had demanded reparations of say £2 billion the Argentine government would surely have refused. Then what? When Germany withheld payment in 1922 France occupied the Ruhr. What would Britain have done? Occupy Buenos Aires? I don’t think so.
The issue is a festering sore because the Kirchner administration has picked at the scab of its ridiculous claim for domestic reason. I don’t think it has anything to do with the lack of reparations.
The repayment by Britain of its American loans is a different issue from reparations from Germany.
There is no basis for reparations within International law. In 1919 Germany accepted reparations by signing the Treaty of Versailles. It was forced to do so since the French were in a position to launch a military attack on Germany if she refused. Germany could do nothing as its solders had returned home and was in a state of internal revolutionary chaos. There was no way that Britain could force Argentina to pay reparations so why bother to demand them.
The history of the German reparations after WWI is a catalogue of disasters. It was partly responsible for the great inflation of 1923, for the internationalisation of the great depression, for the German banking collapse of 1930 and for Hitlers appeal to German voters in 1932-33. It was one reason why they weren't demanded from Germany in 1945.
We may disagree on this issue but please accept my sincere Christmas good wishes to and your family
Frohe Weihnachten!
69 Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres
Dec 20th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yes, you are right. I was screaming out the truth”.
Better out than in, as my mother used to say. I hope you are feeling better for it.
45 It's a TrOLL Road
A part of a roof falls in and you think it's a building “Collapse” still, I'd rather be sat in the Apollo than on one of your trains huh? Now that really is taking a risk isn't it?
46 Joe Bloggs
Joe!!! I hope that you and yours are doing ok!! If we don't meet on here again until later, may I wish you and family Bloggs a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Keep warm and stay safe. Peace my friend, from all of us up here in Nottingham.
@72
Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How could Sr. Filmus accept such a hopeless job? Perhaps it is well paid. But such a “secretariat” will of course achive nothing. A reasonable Argentine government (perhaps possible in the future) would instead create a “Secretariat de Desmalvinación”.
@70
Dec 22nd, 2013 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be rather optimistic to expect a country that recognizes no obligation to repay its loans to pay reparations for a war which it mostly believes was started by its evil twin brother, if not somebody else entirely.
Normally the winner makes it happen.
Dec 22nd, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe there was nothing that the winner thought was worth having.
@74 You are right. Better out than in. I pray every day that all these psychopath families that currently run Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, North Korea, Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador, and other countries de facto will be arrested and pay for their sins in this world, not to be blessed with death like Chavez did. Jail to Cristina Kirchner, family, friends, and followers now! Better somebody to arrest these snakes before they grow too much and it gets too late.
Dec 24th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina not looking for anything to distract Mr simmonds, just wants to recover the Malvinas islands that are Argentina that were taken over by pirates from 1833! We have a economic problems like brits problems! Regarding referendum! why you do a referendum for the Chagos Islands and also the Martin Garcia! Thieves Pirates! We would like to see the referendum on the Islands! Pirates!
Dec 25th, 2013 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were never Argentinian. Pity that you have all been brainwashed since birth. Pity also that no one knows just how bad your economy is, thanks to your goverment's addiction to lying.
Dec 28th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@everybody: Do we live in 2014 or in 1250 during Inquisition and Dark Ages? Why almost everybody here use 'puerto argentino' or other symbols to identify themselves? Sounds psychotic...
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