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Montevideo, October 31st 2020 - 22:52 UTC
Argentina successfully launched a research rocket as part of its space program, the Defense Ministry said on Friday. The launch took place on Wednesday from Chamical, in La Rioja province, 880 km northwest of the capital. Read full article
Is that it..?
And they'll annoy the USA too. Lol
SPACE PROGRAMME ? Do they know how much a SPACE PROGRAMME will cost? LMBO
Brocks are very pleased....
My initial response is that I've seen amateur rockets larger than that. That being said, who is militarizing the South Atlantic now? Launched by the Air Force, I can see them making a colossal mistake of exponential proportions. U2-ing the Falklands which will only wreak havoc and kill a lot of innocent people intentionally all to falsely claim the Falklands as Argentine.
You stupid fools, work on keeping the electricity on before you enter a foray in which you cannot afford.
Just when you think they've reached to highest level of stupidity, they go out to prove that stupidity knows no limits.
@4 But the Islanders voting for... well... anything... is a sadistic and personal assault on every kitten and puppy in Argentina. They have to defend themselves from such barbaric acts of self-determination SOMEHOW... Unless of course you think hurting kittens and puppies is some kind of human right.... What DO you have against kittens and puppies, Poppy? Seriously though I doubt that they would even consider that suicidal. Now on the other hand testing the rocket so the payload lands in the EEZ so they can pick a nit over the colonialist pirates interfering in their scientific research so they can compete with the average high school science fair? That's a different kettle of fish.
As for the rocket itself. I can only plagiarize a certain Australian defense analysis when he saw the latest and greatest iranian tactical fighter, It looks like it might make a noise and vibrate if you put 20 cents in. Odd though isn't that it isn't pointing to the heavens but off at an angle? (And we all know what that indicates.)
Oh my gosh! Have we complained to the UN yet?
Odd though isn't that it isn't pointing to the heavens but off at an angle? (And we all know what that indicates.
I suppose it depends on how far the rocket travels....if straight up...the earth still rotates ...if in the wrong direction it could come back down on top of you.
...technically even if fired horizontal and far enough that is still up to the heavens...tangent on a circle....
No doubt I will not have thought this through and haven't bothered to consult the wiki oracle, so some smart arse...ChrisR probably is going to pull it apart....
How many hungry people can save their lives with the money they have wasted on it...???
That is a Gvt. from the people for the people.......!!!!
Well done, CFK.....the poor will thank you forever........
Reminds me of the Blood Hound.
Ever heard of gravity, don't think it would go far if fired horizontally.
Are you saying the gravitational pull of the earth is unequal...greater on horizontal than vertical?
Could explain recent Argy contacts with Iran.
Time to increase the military deployment in theatre to counter the increased threat level.
Some patriarchs and Tornados + tankers should do it.
Gotta show em you’ve got teeth, and are prepared to use them.
Oh and as it’s the season of goodwill to all men, paint “Merry Xmas” on the side of the Wizz Bangs.
It has a range of 98.000 metres.
That's 49.000 up and 49.000 back down again!
Good God, an Argie that doesn't understand physics, I hope to God that the Military understand it, otherwise houses down range will suffer if fired horizontally.
where does it say that...it says...
will later separate from its payload when it reaches an altitude of 49,000 meters.
the FAS 1500 rocket, a suborbital vehicle that can carry a payload of 200 kilos to 350 kilometers altitude
...On a circle...every direction is up......
If a rocket travelled horizontal on a straight trajectory.... for every metre in distance it would also increase the height from the surface of the earth.....
With enough fuel it will leave the earths atmosphere and off into space.....
GFace my post for for all intents and purposes effect.....just to get the posts flowing. Because, after all the economists and politicians that know everything and post here, I knew this post would bring out the Werner Von Braun wannabes and tell us about escape velocity and what not. Afterall we've seen the Einstein wannbes and think-they-ares before.
Yes it would be suicidal but I believe that the RG mind will believe that the shear act of this action in of itself would be a no vocal threat. But like I said...I've seen larger model rockets when I played with Estes when my boys where young.
Where does it say that?
Okay, you got me, It does not say that.
Are you not aware of the expression, Taking the piss?
Reminds me of North Korea, most of their people are starving yet they are blowing money on military crap they don't need.
If I don't understand physics...you certainly don't understand geometry....
Draw a circle now draw a straight line touching the curve...a tangent...now tell me in what way is it not away from the surface....ie..UP?
And the purpose of this rocket is: keeping up appearances only.
I will give you a clue, why do you think that all Spacial rockets point vertically, but then again I think you are taking the piss, not even an Argie can be as dumb as you.
The optimal angle to fire a projectile the furthest possible (horizontal) distance is 45 degrees. Higher than that it goes up high but falls down short and lower than that gravity pulls it down too soon. The photo shows a rocket angled for maximal horizontal distance rather than maximum height. Its purpose is purely political.
Here's a better one for you...draw an inner circle representing the earth, now draw an outer circle representing the edge of space. Draw a line through the centre, where the line touches the edge of the earth draw a tangent 90 degrees to the line.
The distance from the tangent to the outer circle (space) is about two and a half times longer than the line straight up.....50 miles for the straight line and 125 miles for the tangent...
These rockets can travel 350 km....
at its speed of 2500 mph...fired at horizontal from the earth it would reach space in just over 3 minutes....
...are we there yet?
Stick to your golf...and your cronies....coz yer a friggin idiot....you are incapable of thinking laterally ....
I'm embarrassed for you....
Was I correct or what GFace?
There's a simple formula for the optimal angle for maximum distance. That is way over my head.....gives me a headache visualizing that formula. I leave it all to you Werner Von Brauns to hash it out.
You obviously have no idea about physics. You can draw any straight lines you please, but I know that you know SFA about gravitational pull on any object that leaves the ground. Why do think aircraft have flaps on their wings, they are to give it lift. You will not get lift on a rocket, they are not designed to fly horizontally. If fired horizontally you would be very lucky if it travelled 50kms
If it was a shrouded threat and I'm not sure it is, park a Type 45 off the islands and render the rocket utterly useless.
Still all of this talk of militarizing the area is nonsense when you're developing weapons....
#26.....my point exactly. A rocket developed by the Air Force is potentially a higher threat then a cruiser in the South Atlantic.
You do realise of course that if it enters the FALKLANDS EEZ then the FALKLAND defence force will no doubt render it useless. Just a thought.
Were you serious ?
Your post reminded me of an interview in the early 60's when during a discussion about the current moon shots , a member of the audience stated that they would have a better chance of landing a space ship on the moon if they launched when the moon was full as it was then a bigger target. !
Umm... this all depends on what you're trying to do with your rocket.
If, like in most space based applications, you want to attain an orbit then you need some horizontal (i.e. tangential to the Earth's surface) component of the velocity. I think the most common way of doing this is to launch straight upward, perform a gravity turn and then flatten the trajectory to horizontal.
Alternatively, if you just want to hit a distant Earth bound target, you mostly follow a ballistic trajectory. Confusingly ballistic missiles don't follow a ballistic trajectory for all of their motion, they combine a short powered phase with a ballistic like free-flight portion. For long range (e.g. ICMB) missiles it makes most sense to start by going straight up (like the orbital example).
Finally, you could have a cruise missile which relies on air for lift.
... but I'm only a Physics lecturer.
A_ Voice I am going to consider is either a complete idiot or uneducated, just can't make my mind up. I LMBO at you post, just about sums it up for me.
People are going days without electricity and they are building rockets? I guess those trade deals with Iran have benefited some parties more than others.
Hey Pops...Happy holidays...I hope you didn't mean me as the Einstein..I did put a disclaimer in my first post...
Which means I can baffle with BS if I please....
You are thinking of a fired projectile...this is a self propelled rocket with fuel...
The whole ideas of having propulsion is to defy gravity by burning fuel that's why it's a rocket...the same with an airplane when they level out at 35 thousand feet....
BTW these rockets are not going to the moon and don't need to be fired straight up to save fuel...because that is the only difference between a rocket fired straight up and a rocket fired at an angle, the one straight up reaches space quicker..
.....that doesn't help the argument...I am not saying what happens if it's going to space...i'm saying that a horizontal trajectory from earth would take a propelled rocket into space...with no guidance system.
He is saying that it would not and would fall to earth..that gravitational pull would prevent it....
Funnily enough when playing golf you have to chose the correct club to play a shot. For instance I know that I can hit a 5 iron 155 yds, that is taking account of the force I need to hit it and taking account of the earths gravitational force. Works for me.
I was trying to keep it simple, but thanks for your imput.
Is your golf ball propelled with rockets fuel?
#33 OK, then I agree with you. A horizontally/tangentially launched rocket, with enough velocity, would go into space. Though you'd need a much larger initial velocity or acceleration.
Not that I aware of
26 - Im fairly sure there will be more than 1 rocket. I imagine each with more than 1 warhead. And new models and varieties from time to time. This is only the (re)commencement of condor.
More tennis ball sized objects than you can wave a stick at ... if you want to go down that route.
People in here seem to put on their tin pot every time Argentina makes an acquisition or builds a plane or rocket.
Argentina builds nuclear reactors and manufactures and puts satellites into space, what do you expect.
There will be plenty of such stories across the years.
(now when the anti-ballistic missile systems eventually come along tin pot helmet wearing might be reasonable)
Nah nah naaa......
...see that's what I'm talking about....it's possible....
..see this...it's my tongue stuck out...;-)))
huh...it's not rocket science you know....
Well done A_Voice. Unfortuneately it is theoretically possible but not with our technollogy at present. You would need so much power for initial enertia that at the moment it is impossible. As @ 36 says on paper maybe but still not in our lifetime. Try it on Guys falks night next year. The power needed would destroy your rocket in seconds.
Vestige Astrium biulds Argentina's satellites and NASA launches them......cash up front.
Argentina manufactures and puts satellites (plural) into space.
I must have missed that, when did they start doing that?
Better still. name one of them?
Not true....ballistic missiles are commonly used to put satellites in orbit and they can be launched non vertical...there's a formula...
To simplify our analysis, we assume a perfectly vertical launch. If the launch is inclined at some angle, we can resolve the initial velocity into a vertical and horizontal component. The horizontal motion is uniform because there is no external force in the horizontal direction. Weight is the only force acting on the object and weight is always vertical. Because the weight of the object is a constant, we can use the simple form of Newton's second law to solve for the vertical motion:
...it's Guy Fawkes...not Guys falks.....All English folk know that.......
....penny for the Guy mister...
@36 A horizontaly launched rocket with enough velocity would end up in the nearest down range trees.
We used to do that with skyrockets.... about 10 degrees elevation was enough to get one down the front drive , across the street over the neighbour's fence and into their backyard.
We had a very similar one to the one in the photograph on the drawing board in the mid 50's but propellent was a problem. We would wander into a chemist and things would go well when we asked for sulphur and charcoal but when we asked for saltpetre we would always get chucked out. We were 9 at the time.... 60 years on the RGs have moved one step beyond us......
Jesus.......only on MercoPress could Brits and Argies, Malvinas opponents and supporters along with the various sympathisers to each respective camp regardless of nationality could get into an argument wether or not rockets should be fired at 90 degrees or 89 degrees.
INVAP was the first company in Latin America certified by NASA (the US (National) Aeronautics and Space Administration) to supply space technologies.[dead link] It constructs satellites, payloads, and ground stations, including the SAC (Satelites de Aplicación Científica) satellite family, developed for the Argentine space agency CONAE
Currently three Argentine satellites have been launched: SAC-B, which was devoted to scientific research; SAC-A, a technological demonstration satellite, and SAC-C, the first Earth Observation Satellite of Argentina.[
The UK has rockets too, great for downing airbourne intruders. Argentine corned beef cans are technological wonders.
Relevance = #42 name one of them.
Whoops I missed that, still it gets back to my original point; What in the name of Christ is everyone arguing about?!
Argentina has launched three rockets in five years after a 30-year suspension of research and development
Three rockets in thirty years. Lmfao. What a joke of a nation.
Large rockets are always launched vertically because the weight of the upper sections would cause them to topple if launched at an angle and because to very fragile casing would be put under great strain leading to collapse. As soon as sufficient thrust and velocity has been developed they tilt increasingly to achieve orbit.
Smaller rockets like this one have relitively stiff casings and accelerate faster and can thus be fired non vertically. All small missiles are fired like this. This is potentially a missile.
The Russian Proton rocket has been in service since 1965. It is fired vertically. A few weeks ago it launched the UKs latest satellite which with its companions, will offer the worlds first high speed satellite broadband service. 100 times the speed of the existing one.
Evil Foreign 'Empire' Enemy........check
Massive Economic Problems........check
Ranting 'Dear' Leader...................check
Intimidating Youth Wing..............check
'Prestigious' Rocket Programme...check
Argentina's conversion to a tinpot regime is almost complete.
My oh my. Who would have thought there were so many rocket scientists here......I thought is was only Nobel material economists.....lol
Lets please keep things in perspective. They have built a model shop enthusiast meccano rocket. That a sea viper or rapier could dispatch in minutes. If you want my opinion, someone is over compensating for something!!
In the meantime we have this:
The matter is closed.
hey Skip most UK folk would now like to see Electric companies Nationalised because they are robbing the consumers blind....
Pops was the instigator...he set the bait and waited for the trap to be sprung...couldn't let him down now could I...it's Christmas...didn't want to see his crumpled face, bottom lip quivering with disappointment...
Everything counts in large amounts.
(Depeche mode commenting on Argentine rockets hitting stanley)
Hamas, in the Gaza strip does rockets, thats where the RGs probably got the technology, there, or from other terrorists.
Well Captain, I guess that would then make the islanders Israelis.
Good links comment.....
If only Britain could develop an intelligent race of politicians - we would instantly command the entire world export market for such creatures.
Sadly we are confined to fairy-tale promises of EUrofighters - which due to UK cost constraints will carry niether armaments nor engines - relying totally on recycled rubber bands from the Post Office.
The Bundespost has agreed to continue the supply of these once they take over in 2015.
SAC A. B. C and D infact. At least one manufactured in conjunction with five other nations.
All put into space by another nations capabilities and not infact, Argentinas.
Still, sounded better the way you wrote it. well if you were an Argentine that is.
Think....Its only the Scotch Pink President and his fishy Soviet assistant want to nationalise everything. Be very afraid, one way or another its coming....
You can get those Rockets in Maplins.
The objectives of the project “are to test-value human resources involved in the development of applicable systems for future projects and the recovery of production capacity of critical components necessary for this type of vectors”, said the Air Force in a brief release.
How about the objective of this project is to produce a working rocket?
Is Think about...where?...Merry Christmas Mr. Think...
or did you mean me?
Are you a glutton for punishment?
Do you get some sort of masochistic pleasure from me ridiculing the living daylights out of you?
I'm trying to restrain myself because it's Christmas or PC...Winter festival....
...don't tempt me...
This link shows what a bunch of gringos achieved with their own resources, rather than the resources of an entire country. Their rocket got up to an altitude of 72 miles that is 115 klm, way higher than Argentina's lousy 49 klms.
The Argentine rocket program is nothing less than a way to steal money from the public purse, which is then distributed between all the cronies. To get away with it they have to have the occasional launch of one of these fireworks. The people love it and the cronies continue to steal without any opposition. They have been running this rocket scam for over three decades and have had no discernible progress, still the money keeps flowing. Keep it up, as long as they don't invest in any real military technology we on the other side feel very safe.
@38 - Vestige
In reference to your post the Type 45 can track simultaneously 2,000 objects smaller than a tennis balls at over 400km away. This ship is designed to deal with swarm attacks which incidentally is one of the lessons learned from the Falkland's conflict. That is the reason its so big and its radar is so high compared to conventional destroyer design.
A truly spectacular feat of engineering is a type 45.
Congratulations Argentina! Good work.
... most UK folk would now like to see Electric companies Nationalised because they are robbing the consumers blind....
Clearly no-one wants to pay more than they have to but if the companies are only making 5% profit then that is hardly theft and i would rather pay a premium for uninterrupted supply than save a few quid and sit in the dark. Plus I had free cavity wall insulation out of them. Not sure though what your attempt at distraction has to do with Anglotino's tinpot regime checklist. During Ireland's recent crisis they took some tough decisions, knuckled down and have just exited the bail-out as a result. What they didn't do was launch rockets to con their people.
To satisfy some people and probably annoy one other, the only hints I am going to give are these.
1) Gravity pulls everything that is not powered or using lift to sustain it, DOWN to the surface at 32ft/sec sqd. (10 M/sec sqd).
2) ALL objects on the surface of the earth (inc US) are travelling at (approx) 1,000 MPH.
Doesn’t take Einstein or a rocket scientist to figure the rest.
The argie thing is no different to the one Putridjelly announced was going to be able to hit the Falklands. To some people (ignoring the other one) I proved their figures were nonsense.
But hey! What do I know about it other than I am studying Astrophysics at MIT by distance learning and have had a very successful career as an electrical mechanical engineer AND been responsible for a gas technology laboratory for GE Co. Ltd. spanning the last 40 plus years. And that without my finance responsibilities.
For the other one:
We need to develop the capacity to detonate an atomic bomb anywhere on the planet. This is the real deterrent. Argentina and Brasil must work together, as is already happening.
Argentine pyrotechnicsare nothing to worry about. they have a long way to go before they can match one Vanguard class submarine armed with 16 missiles, each armed with 12 warheads, and parked somewhere in the South Atlantic. If these prats in B.A. want to argue that they have declared the South Atlantic non nuclear then they should consider the SSNs armed with cruise missiles. Argentine missiles?-just pyrotechnics to impress the braindead.
Better they spend their money on bread and give it to the poor, that is anyone earning less than $2000.00 per month!
Dont't talk bollocks, this site is for serious discussion.
68 - Track.
48 cells. Max range 120.
Bollocks you think! Anglosphere intervenes in everything you want, spying on everyone and everything. And I talk nonsense? Please be less arrogant.
Redrow, Think and his various sock puppets inhabit the would be socialist republic of Scotchland. Folk there want to nationalise everything including the electric and power the place on gusts of air hydro and tides which are there in abundance. They are aiming to be super green.
I was staring at a Type 45 a couple of months ago, they are huge and very imposing for a Destroyer.
The only disappointment is we don't have enough of these formidable ships thanks to cost cutting and the usual assortment of cost over-runs we usually see in these projects. I served on 23's that were very good at tracking and killing missiles but these are in a different word.
The old 42's can now be successfully rested. Ancient technology even if they worked well in their last phase but they were also damn horrible ships to live on!
Lighten up, you would not want to militise the South Altantic, Chrissie would not like it. Kiss arse is all you are good at
Condor, tronador etc cant be that expensive.
Go on give us the costs, I think you are talking billions of US$ which incidently they do not have.
Only who can militarize the South Atlantic are the people of the South Atlantic. Not you, Europeans and North Atlantics.
Only we have the right about our land. NOT YOU!!!!!
Not sure though what your attempt at distraction has to do with Anglotino's tinpot regime checklist.
??....read Anglotino's list again...the bit that says Nationalisations...like it's bad...
The UK doesn't have a problem with supply ...the national grid is an international grid...connected to Europe and the Electric companies supplying the power don't necessarily produce the power...
Take Scottish Hydro electric...sell the electricity at a higher rate, to Europe during the day, then import cheaper electricity during the night to pump water back up to the dam...
Eon German company supplying British consumers with electricity from everywhere...and that 5% is not including the profit they make buying power wholesale...
The wall cavity insulation didn't come from the Electric companies it came from government subsidy...do you actually know anything about the UK at all?
Brasileiro....most civilised people and countries do not want atomic weapons and they certainly don't want third world unstable countries one step away from a military coup having them. They are a deterrent that nobody wants to use...ever. It is nothing to be proud of..
#82 Calm down dear! Our weapons are for protection from colonialist invaders, nothing more.
Who gives a rats arse about South America, you can have it , not worth a shit anyway. I have to admit to having a few sherbets tonight. nothing personal you understand.
No, I do not understand. His worldview is Anglocentric. My vision is my América. So. stay away from us and die old.
So what is your view Brasileiro...Universal or Parochial....so you want to be just like him?
Two wrongs make a right....is that it?
I never denied. I'm a xenophobic nationalist. And I'm very happy.
.....of Germanic/Slavic decent......;-)))))
listen you your Latam collegue, you DO NOT WANT NUCLEAR WEAPONS leave it to the ones that already have them. They are a deterant, nothing more. Anyway your country is so backward to assume that you have the slightest idea how to manufacture an atomic weapon. God help us if a Latam country has the technology, they would probably blow themselves up. Train brakes working now or not? Must abed now too many sherbets. TOODLE PIP
OH Merry Christmas you all on MERCOPRESS, no-one is excluded,mores the pity.
#86. The British are not agressors, just peaceful decent homely people. Grow up!
Falkland Islands people ARE people of the South Atlantic.
Not. My identity and proud is Brazil, not Germany!
Then you are not Brasileiro...as Brasileiro has already stated his heritage....I can find it if you wish.....Pomeranian ring any bells?
Do not worry your head, we sympathise with you. We not germany either, have to say glad we are not Brazilian too.
#81 - I wouldn't know but a cruise goes for ~$1,410,000
So I'd guess the 1 million range.
Argentina's defense budget is expected to record significant growth, to reach approximately $5.5bn by 2015.
Live your life and stop trying to live the lives of others. Zoombie!
See my name, listen what I say.
we stopped our space programme in 1985, it was too expensive, so at a guess it would be billions of US$ to send at least one rocket into space with a payload.
cruise dont launch from space.
Unfortunately for you I have an amazing memory....;-))))
”82 Brasileiro (#)
Oct 27th, 2013 - 04:17 pm
I am a descendant of Pomeranians. I trust in the mines.”
listen to what I say....;-))))
Others make rockets, we make some satellites and we make money...
LMAO I can hardly wait for Brasileiro's response.
My family name is Schmidt. My eyes is blue, my hair is red, my piel is snow flocs and I AM A SOUTH AMERICAN FROM BRAZIL. My loved place, and i gift my life two hundred times for the Brasil!
If Brasiliero was living in the Falklands, some guy from Brazil would be telling him he had no right to live there.
Gotta love hypocrisy.
;-))))) ......Merry Christmas Brasileiro... or rather Frohe Weihnachten...... and never mind there's always peroxide...
...and Merry Christmas to you and your family Pops....;-)
....and to all a goodnight...
Nearly time for the most important launch of all.
Mery Christmas to one and all.
Wonder what he is bringing me this year?
When Brasileiro says he descends from Pomeranian ancestry, he probably means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_%28dog%29
No nationalisation is not fundamentally a good thing. In the UK if you want a phone or a car or to go on holiday you just do it. Back in the 1970s when these services where all state-controlled you had to go on a waiting list and wait your turn. Clearly there are vital services like fire and police that are better state controlled but the utilities are better in private hands arguably with slightly more robust regulation than we have at present. The solar panels and insulation were not government subsidies but premiums on the utility bills. Now that people want lower bills at all costs then this is to be ended. That we currently buy surplus lecky (glad to hear you believe in the free market) is because the last government (left-wing as you may recall) failed to build any new power stations, a problem the coalition is trying to remedy. The best way to make this situation worse would be to seize the utility companies thus depriving them and indeed the wider economy of foreign investment.
Militarizing las Cordilleras de Los Andes!!
You mentioned cruise no-one else did. Please keep up
Ty Voice.....and Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.
Troy, Yankee, golf and to the Falkland Islanders and the posters of UK......have a Merry Christmas......and to those whom do not believe and the SA trollers......peace to you......and/Merry Christmas.
Heres some good news:
An article summarising the drilling plans for late 2014/H1 2015
As well as the appraisal efforts on Sea Lion to determine whether a non-equilibrium gas cap is present on the west flank. If it there is no gas cap, resources for Sea Lion could be upgraded by 65 MMbbl to 402 MMbbl.
There is some interesting potential......
The planned Zebedee well will be drilled in block PL004b (Rockhopper 24%). It will intersect eight stacked exploration targets, with combined potential of 1.183 Bbbl.
Another well will be drilled on Isobel/Elaine in license PL004a in the North Falkland basin, where Rockhopper has increased its interest from 3% to 24%. This well is designed to intersect six stacked exploration objectives, all within the F3 sequence, with potential combined reserves of 1.078 Bbbl.
...and a very Merry Christmas to all Falkland Islanders ,supportive posters on Mercopress and Mercopress too. Thanks for printing the truth in the South Atlantic. And finally a plague of boils on all those opposed to democracy and self determination.
@60 Do you ever read anything except argie government comic strips? The Gaza Strip is a failing nest of cowardly terrorists. Much like argieland. Let's see, failing check, cowardly check, terrorists check. Yep, same bunch of no-hopers.
@61 Pissed out of your brain again? What do you mean by EUrofighters? There are few fighters in euroland. France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Leichstenstein, Italy, Denmark, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Romania, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Greece. Nope, no real fighters there.
@69 Yep. Argieland is now up there with you as some of the biggest tossers and wankers on the planet.
@72 Whoops! Don't you have a treaty that prohibits that. Still, not to worry. WE can already do that. So we'll just watch to see how you get on. Then we'll drop 100 nuclear warheads on your heads. Whilst busily making more, we'll drop 60 nukes on argieland. Ever wondered how fast we can make them?
@76 Your future may be to be a shadow on a wall. See if we care. Oh, sorry. You won't see will you?
@82 You have a non-existent concept of international law, custom and capability. WE'll do what WE want. Because pipsqueaks don't count. Try to understand. When WE say you're dead, you're DEAD!
@86 WE'll certainly die old. Unlike you. Unless it's your senile dementia talking!
@88, 93, 97 That would be a DEAD xenophobic, nationalist zombie. But you don't say anything. You just fart. Or is that You're a fart.
@103 Ho hum. My name is Schmidt. A kraut, then. Probably a nazi kraut. Wasn't there a film called The Boys from Brazil? Clones produced by Mengele. One of those, are you? LOTS of people want YOU dead. Think how the UK would be praised for killing a test tube horror! Still, we must be sure. When Brazil has NO occupants, WE'll be pretty sure. Probably be best to wipe out the rest of latam to be sure. Happy new year. Month by month. Weeks. Days. Hours. Countdown to zero!
Light blue touch paper and withdraw to a safe distance - 30 years. Warning - fireworks should not be handled by children/Argentines.
Target Stanley with 100 bio/chem rockets.
I think bonquers lives there so GB will understand.
61 A_Think Voice over
If only Britain could “develop” an intelligent race of politicians - we would instantly command the entire world export market for such creatures.
What do you mean, we??
Calling yourself British, now???
...it's not my comment it's from the link at 56...like I said at the beginning...
Merry Christmas Troy.....;-)
Oh come on boys it CHRISTMAS lol.
Give em a break, they are trying,
CFK says they will rule the world, the Falklands will be taken back , they will have a space station with rockets, lasers , missiles , a colony in space, an enlarged navy , air force , subs ,
To chase of the British pirates once and for good,
So please humour them chaps, humour them,
Every child has to learn to walk, before he can run,
Every deluded empress, has to have a research rocket as its first toy,,
All they have in reality is dilapidated stations, no 106 in the world transparency ratings, sunken ships, enlarged egos, brocks rockets, shunned by the Falklands and large spaces in the Pampas.. The problem with discharging weapons like this is they may come back to land on you.
we were sending rockets into space, when most argies were still wearing nappies ..lol.
They do not even have even electric power! they should also socialized their rocket program so they can fail and stop spending on useless program
Just reflecting on the headline of this article. Argentina successfully launches rocket; program to recover defence capabilities
If they want to recover their defence capabilities wouldn't a submarine and some ocean salvage kit be more useful?
Deadbeat at 115
Target Stanley with 100 bio/chem rockets.
I think bonquers lives there so GB will understand.
If that were to happen the safest place to hide would be Stanley itself. LOL.
Merry Christmas for TTT, Fido Dido, ChrisR, Baiano, A_Voice (2), Elena without B, masters, teachers and friends. Love and Peace now and forever. I Love YOU! Stevie, you are.............example!
No, because like I have said before, Argentina cannot win a conventional war against bigger countries, including the UK. So to buy 4th rate crap submarines, jets, and tanks from you or others, THAT is the waste of money.
It is never a waste of money to invest in SCIENCE. Only fools like most of you here would say it is a waste.
Argentina needs to develop a SHIELD against agression, that is, develop a system of defense against invaders that is so taxing an onerous that no one will attempt to invade without suffering extremely heavy losses of equipment and treasure.
A good rocket defense system against aerial bombardment (which is a favorite of aggressor nations like the USA, UK, France, etc), since those countries like to launch rockets and bombs from the air to soften the battlefield, is a good start.
But even taking that aside, it is good to invest in science, and these programs help keep scientists in the country.
The whole they can't afford it nonsense is nonsense. Can the USA afford its military of 700 billion when its running 700 billion deficits, and has 15% poverty? Can the UK afford new subs when they had massive riots 2 years ago? Or what are you all going to tell me you have no social ills, poverty, health coverage problems, infraestructure decay, etc?
Maybe you all should stop wasting your money until everyone in your countries has a good job, healthcare, and is middle class.
Is it just me that thinks those tail fins look as if the are cut out of 25mm 3 ply?
What can I say?
GANGNAM STYLE ?
Boom! ahf! that will hurt! doesn't it?
Apparently Think was strapped to it to become the first Dutch/Swedish/German/African/Scots/Argy/ Icelander in Space.
Hope all goes well for splash down.....on the Moon. heheheheh.
It's always questionable when a nation that can't keep its lights on goes on a military spending spree. So now Argentina has just launched a new space rocket to recover its defense capacity. This won't end well.
Last Friday, Argentina's air force launched a research rocket connected to its space program that its defense minister called a milestone, according to a report in Mercopress.
What's really going on, though, was spilled by Argentina's defense minister, Agustin Rossi, who called it a step toward the recovery of scientific-technological capabilities for defense and hailed it as of the utmost importance. If it isn't clear, Argentina began the launch on the 20th anniversary that its last missile program was scrapped, following Argentina's Falklands defeat.
But the same week Argentina launched its nifty new rocket, the power grid blew out in Buenos Aires due to its creaky infrastructure and an overbearing government hand in the electrical industry.
Although the crash was blamed on a heat wave (it's summer down there), it represents just the tip of Argentina's iceberg of fiscal problems. Making a priority of its rocket program seems strange indeed.
Of course it is never a waste investing in Science - though whether firing primitive rockets constitutes science is debatable. But are you honestly accusing the Brits, Americans & Australians on here of not thinking it is a good idea to invest in Science?! You should read more Science mate and have a mince pie.
@ 125 Frank
I was thinking tri-wall corrugated cardboard.
You don't think this is the argie answer to the Yanks laser guided cellulose smart bomb do you?
Ha, ha, ha.
Boy who has problems is Endesa a Chilean, Spanish, Italian company that has not money to keep running the distribution on the grid.
Sure Arg. gov. will nationalise the company and then all will be all right again.
Next intercontinental rocket capable to hold a nuclear device...
Guess were that will be pointed at???
Aghhh! That will hurts and allot what do you think?
No need to protect Argentina against UK which has no aggressive intentions to anyone. Peace and goodwill to all decent Argetineans.
#124 Please consult a doctor, you need help.
Dany, a plague of boils on you..pillock.
In a year a head Argentina will be able to hit any country in this world with a 400kg warhead including with a nuclear device.
I should be quite concern if I would be you guys...
Just a thought...
World peace... ha ha
Your such a twat, why would a Latam chose to put a fucking nuke on the end of a missile?
Are you totally fucking deranged?
Do you not understand that these things are only pointed at others who posses them.
Perhaps you aspire to be a member of that prestigious club.
You Latams are lucky, take my word for it, stay well away from the damn things.
Don't mess with what you do not understand!
How is it that not one news station...and there are many, have not reported this? Unless you read this online, here, no one in the country knows about it.
program to recover defense capabilities,??
how exactly will this help Argentina recover its defence capabilities.
considering CFK stated we want only peace,
and condemns others defences...
In a year a head Argentina will be able to hit any country in this world with a 400kg warhead including with a nuclear device.
Are you really that thick ? So, by next Christmas, Argentina will have developed an ICBM with nuclear capabilities, aimed at the UK ?
In your delusional world have you thought out the consequences of this action if it took place. Retaliatory action would reduce Argentina to a cinder. As France would be a recipient to fall out, they may well join in against you with their own force de frappe.
Your government acceded to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty in Feb 1995. So you are telling us that your government are liars and will break the treaty ? To be in a position to launch a nuclear ICBM, the must have broken the treaty at least 15 years ago.
Anyway, it could not happen as your country is no where near producing this weapon and it's just you bashing your gums together talking your standard crap.
I have to laugh listening to these latams talking about protecting themselves from enemies. Who exactly is wanting to attack them? If the British wanted to do it, wouldn't we have done it by now?
The truth that they know is that where South America is concerned, the enemy lies within, it just suits them to pretend that there is an outside usurper, infact I think it is the only thing that stops them from falling apart or destroying each other.
The Falkland Islands are British, acknowledge this fact and you need never concern yourselves with our advanced and sophisticated weaponry.
That is exactly what YOU are suggesting.
Argentina should not invest in primitive rocketry (well, where is one supposed to start, or in Argentina's case, re-start??)
Argentine should not invest in nuclear and medical isotopes.
Argentina should not invest in building satellites.
Argentina should not invest in Antarctic research.
Argentina should not invest in anything science. Just buy it from us.
These are all things I have heard not only from everyone here, but also directly from Euro and North-Am governments. Why? Of course they want to keep the technological monopoly, and secondly, they want other nations to remain weak and poor.
That's why I don't trust any of you. Europeans and North Americans desperately want to keep the status quo, and hate when other countries make progress in anything. Thus all the negative reactions here.
Argentina should trust no one, certainly not Europeans and North-Ams, and certainly not after 2003 when they went to war unprovoked and under a web of lies.
No nukes for Argentina but yes to a defense shield, so that if anyone decides to attack us, they may win in the end, but it will cost them so dearly not only in treasure and equipment, but in social stability back home due to the losses inflicted in the aggression.
Anyone want to bet me Argentina breaks down and adds a $500/$1000/$2000 notes to circulation?
2013 was fun and I bet 2014 will be even better!
It's hot in BA and stinks of diesel fuel as it hangs in the muggy air. I heard they may be changing the name to Mal Aire pretty soon.
Then you will love it as it will be just like New York City, minus the mass shootings at malls and failing tunnels.
When I got my apt in BA I was on the terrace looking at the view and the agent said Just like NYC right and I said you've obviously never been there
Its an Rg wet dream that BA is like NYC since it's much more like La Paz.
I hope you are not using your Sugar store to trade for gifts already. Wait a couple more years. This is just the beginning of the crisis.
Yes, just like La Paz.
Obviously you've never been there.
I've been to both capitals and won't go back to either one anytime soon.
Sure you have. No one in their right mind would make the statement you just did, had it been the case.
I don't have to go to NYC to know it's a dump though. See it often enough on TV. Don't like to be accosted by urine-smelling drug addicts, thank you.
You may have NYC confused with Plaza San Martin, where you are assured to get mugged as soon as the sun goes down.
What sort of loser is here on Christmas day though?
And yes, before you say the stupid pot kettle black quote, I don't celebrate Christmas. European thing.
2 great things in this article, 120+ Stupid Rgs lose an eye due to poor aim or a short fuse, so I wouldn't worry about them using a rocket to any great success. They're more apt to blow up their own cities.
Then look at the state of the DISGUSTING hospital! Good grief they're even worse than when I lived there and that is saying something!
Argentina is militarising the South Atlantic!
It does admittedly look bad. Almost as bad as this:
At a hospital near Cleveland, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation found bathrooms filthy with what appeared to be human excrement. Supply cabinets were in disarray, with dirty linens from some patients mixed in with clean supplies, or left in hallways on gurneys.
At a neighboring facility, examining tables had dried blood and medications still on them. In several areas, open bio-hazardous waste cans were spilling over. Primetime obtained internal memos documenting that the equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments had broken down — causing surgical delays and possible infection risks.
First world? lol
And yes, before you say the stupid pot kettle black quote, I don't celebrate Christmas. European thing.
Would you mind elaborating on that statement or did you realise how ridiculous it was the moment you submitted it? Are you saying that you are very unusual in that you don't celebrate Christmas; unlike over 90% of the population? Or, are you saying that Argentines generally don't celebrate Christmas? You mention it being a European thing. Does that mean you're trying to say that most of you are indigenous South American people?Not descended from Europeans? OMG TTT; you really do dig yourself into holes.
Christmas has a very strong following in Argentina and the celebrations start much earlier than in other countries and carry on until well into January.
Feliz Navidad TTT!
I think they are trying to put the frighteners on the Islanders.
I also think this is all phoney..... compare their plywood mock up with a photo of frinstance a Bloodhound.
FMAS its on a frame made of 1 inch pipe.... and they got the people in the pic to stand well back so it would look longer than 6 foot.....
Much earlier?? It always starts on Dec 8. From what I have heard in Europe and the USA they have holiday decorations up in September, geez.
Argentines are NOT European, thankfully.
Well into January? After Epiphany Day everyone is out on vacation, and so will I as I have done the last two years. I will be gone from this forum, so you antis will have a two week reprieve from being put into place by my superior intellect.
Argentina is not European.
You all caught the boat there from the moon.
Ferk me, is a lobotomy am immigration requirement? Cos it ferking sounds like it.
will have a two week reprieve from being put into place by my superior intellect
We're just entering the 52nd week reprieve on your superior intellect for 2013. Last year your absence didn't even last 2 weeks and your grand return fell as flat as CFK's spackling trowel. As in your real life, no one missed your absence.
I don't foresee 2014 being any different.
You can't argue Nostrils. You've never once bested me and you never ever will. There are some constants in nature and that is one of them.
Every time you try, you run off with your tail between your legs until you pop up on another forum with selective amnesia.
So piss off on your pathetic two week's annual leave (how embarrassing that you get out of the ghetto for just 2 weeks - parole is probably a better term) and you might come back with yet another new name but believe me your sub-standard ability to argue, your autistic social skills and your massive inferiority complex is only compounded by the fact that you have deluded yourself into believing you are a force to be reckoned with on this third rate news site.
You think that your ability with languages makes your some towering intellect. But it doesn't. No more than a dog walking on its hind legs suddenly will develop opposable thumbs. Your talent with languages is all show because you lack the actual intellect or ability to put that talent to anymore use than trolling around foreign language fora from a second rate city in a declining and powerless country.
Congratulations on reaching the lofty heights of your wretched aspirations in life. Look around. For you, two weeks off from Mercopress is the highlight and culmination of your miserable existence for 2013.
So here is to 2014 and at least for you, a repeat of your ignominious 2013.
Whew I couldn't have said it any better.
...there is a fine line, between recklessness and courage, it's a fine line, between salvation and despair... it is a fine line, between hatred and true love... la la la la la la la la la la la... it's a fine line...
You done? That had the fierce emotional fire of teenagers in heat. I got the right music to go with that post:
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the example I needed.
Behold me being put in my place by his superior intellect that had to resort enviously and forlornly to rutting teenagers.
Thank God we'll have a WHOLE 2 week reprieve from that!
@ 155 & 158 Anglotino
Couple interesting facts in the Rg news:
150B worth of subsidies were doled out this year by CFK. ALMOST 1/2 of their GDP! And they wonder why the economy is failing. Sheesh.
11 days w/o power and water for many neighborhoods in BA Remember this is their capital and the only major city in the country where just about 1/2 the population lives, works ( kind of).
So no water, where are they going to the bathroom?
Where are they taking showers?
If neighborhoods are out so are the Hospitals
Er, no water in a Hospital?
it is only going to get worse
You may not but an Argentinian Pope DOES !!!
”1/2 the population lives/ works (sort of)...
Is that a 20m population for BA ??
How much of that is villa Miserables, then?
Could we call the inhabitants of BA , the capital city, the Great Unwashed”??
If this little rocket causes some 100 posts of butthurtness, imagine the mess when the bigger ones are launched... They will cue the servers for Venezuelan toilet paper...
@ 163 Stevie
These ARE the big ones.
Are you going to answer my questions or shall I just add them to the long list of questions you've evaded over the short time you've been on Mercopress? Are you seriously trying to suggest that, on account of Christmas being a European thing, that Argentines don't celebrate it? It's either that or that you are a very unusual Argentine because you don't celebrate it. Answer me in any language you like it won't make any difference.
Oh and by the way; what's your ethnic origin?
Anglotino has the measure of you doesn't he. LOL!
Argentina nearly got a rocket in 1982, it was called Polaris, but Mrs Thatcher was too kind.
Sharkey Ward's book makes a passing reference to that possibility.
Exactly why all nations must develop defenses against the threat you pose. You are an unstable nation, who knows what crazy leader might take power there. I think the UK is heading to a veiled dictatorship, Parliament having less and less power and the Prime Minister alone deciding issues of war, freedom of the press, and personal privacy.
The UK is a threat, exactly for what you stated. Any country that even CONSIDERED using nukes FIRST (breaking the cardinal rule of nuclear deterrent), and in what was clearly a conventional conflict, and on top of all that the opponent was non-nuclear, is a joke and utter embarrassment, no better than Pakistan or North Korea. That's the league the UK plays in when it comes to nukes, utter rogues that had to be stopped by Mitterand, Reagan, and Germany/Italy to not nuke Argentina in what was clearly an unwarranted circumstance. Congratulations.
Take a look at TN.com right now, lots and lots of angry people of course burning tires (lovely) because it's been 11 days with no electricity or water.
Make me happy.
I can't wait until next week
It'll still be hot
hot hot hot
Psst watch the Soy yields plummet.
Parliament having less and less power and the Prime Minister alone deciding issues of war,
LOL, silly Nostrils!!!
Where do you get that from ?? LOL !!!
Didn't Cameron just get t
Buenos Areis in on Fire..
no wait that's all the tires in the roads
Eeek and no water to put them out.
Exactly, that was a REACTIONARY measure by an increasingly powerless parliament, what in Spanish is termed manotazo de ahogado.
Of course there will be such back and forths, but the trend is for parliament and prime minister to be ADVERSARIES, and for the PM to increasingly have discretionary powers, especially now that British citizens no longer have the right to free assembly and personal privacy, which they lost in the last 10-15 years.
Even before this trend, the UK was a dangerous country, a rogue with nukes as seen by Thatcher's insane designs of warfare.
I think eventually the UK and France will become full dictatorships and as their economies sink into oblivion will cause a 3rd world war as a last attempt to save themselves. The irony is I think that this time Germany and Italy will be the good guys, Russia once again the wild card, and China will aid against the UK/France. The USA will stay out till almost the end, and France and the UK will be defeated. Before that the USA will get in the war do to fears that China will gain to much power in Europe. That will save the UK as the USA will enter troops through it.
However, the UK will be split up into its constituents, though England will remain intact. France, not so much: Germany recover Alsace, Italy will gain Nice, and Paris will be divided by the Paris Wall, separating free Paris (Germany and Italy zones) from police state Paris, with USA and UK zones.
171. Oh my god gracious you are an idiot. Maybe if you ever left your slum you'd understand why we are laughing at you.
What a moron.
BTW how may highways in BA are on fire right now? All of them?
Hm, seems like the PM and Parliament were working the way they were designed to - parliament gauged the feeling of the populace, the PM heeded that and acted accordingly.
Not, 'Rule by Decree' as in Arg. or Venezuela's Bird Calls!
As to the rest of your post,
very amusing, but why do you come on here, just to waste our time?
Looks like you have gone from your Obstreperous Mode to full-out Silly Buggers Mode!!
I guess we're done with you until you 'reset'.
Nostrils has finally become unhinged.
Lucky for everyone, including him, that his two week parole is coming up!
His superior intellect really needs to take a break. Or perhaps write the next great novel…..
Merry Christmas, Anglotino!
I expect it has been a prosperous year for you, and after a joyous holiday break, you are looking forward to even more of the same in 2014.
I'm travelling this Christmas and already planning my next holiday. Might go down to San Francisco to buy a car, before the US $$ bounces back this year.
Uh, oh. Too bad Snotty can't say the same thing, or plan to enrich his life in the future :-(
Mind you, he just might have some US $ buried under his shipping container. When the buck goes up this year, it might offset the 27% inflation and impending devaluation of the AR Peso that he is facing.
Of course, CFK is generously willing to swap US $ for AR bonds right now - again, if he has any.
No matter, he is going 'away' to Campora Juvenil Summer Camp for two weeks for intense indoctrination, trolling drill, and tire-burning training.
That should prepare him for the events ahead, if it doesn't actually get him a job, or make him self supporting.
Have a Happy New Year!!
Troy, should should wait until President's Day weekend, that's when we have the best deals on cars. It's not too far off. Happy New Year and have a safe trip.
Your problem - amongst many-is that you don't think - you pontificate.
As long as we can shoot them down,
CFK can make em as big as she wishes..
I have to admit that the launching base looks remarkably similar the plastic stand that came with my Estes Global Flyer kit.
@ 179 Troy Tempest
So did that crash and burn as well? :o)
Did a great job of frightening the dog, but didn't even clear the pool next door...
Congratulations to Cristinita, extending her countries reach into the outer stratosphere - which is where her popularity should also reach if there was any fairness =) Next stop the moon, like China the other week?
That's all we need; Argentineans on the moon looting every December and then dealing with a 2 week blackout.
In space no one can hear an Argentinean protest (THANK GOD!)
nice of you to fill in for the staff at Christmas.
Or, are they having a bit of trouble with the power there?
All fur coat, and no knickers ....... now who does that remind me of?
I do not think the moon is far enough in space for kirchner. BK.....care to join asslips in space?
Troy bk is the SR troll and has to fill in because of the electricity failures.
I wonder if they recovered the data from the rocket? anyone know?
Did they recover the rocket?
OMG! Argentina militarising the South Atlantic with what is clearly an offensive weapon (albeit one that doesn't even match the capabilities Germany had in 1945). Someone call the UN! :)
why not blue and white,
@ 190 Briton
But then everybody would know who owned the crap that fell on the Casa Rosada!
Bit of an own goal, so to speak. :o)
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