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New Year in Argentina brings: hikes in urban transport and fuel and promises of a capped basket

Thursday, January 2nd 2014 - 15:35 UTC
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New Year arrived in Argentina with much needed rainfall relief, but also with a hefty increase in urban transport fares, the same with fuel prices at the pump and the promise of a list of 200 products included in a price agreement with the county’s major supermarkets and retailers. Read full article

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  • Mick23

    Greetings all.... I note I appear to be first to make a comment here... Seems they must have been on holiday the last few days... My comment...

    S.N.A.F.U. ... or more probably F.U.B.A.R.

    Read the Herald and Clarin .. The country is in the pot!

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Their two hopes are walking away, Brazil and China. Without private investment you don't get growth and everyone is being frightened off.

    “FIN DEL CICLO”

    Bye bye Argies, for another 10 years.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Peso is in down a lot! Pretty soon they won't be able to control it, as it goes down inflation goes up.
    If the Soy crop is a bad as it was last year 2nd quarter 2014 will be very fun to watch.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Optimus_Princeps

    How much abuse will Buenos Aires have to take before they storm the Casa Rosada and punish Cristina for her crimes. She will continue to cause everyone pain and fully abuse her power until that happens.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    4. How much abuse was there in 2001? Probably not much more than that.
    They are depreciating the Peso at an alarming rate.
    At some point people will figure it out.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Capitalism was a complete failure in Argentina and it ain't coming back. The promised massive investments never came, and the promised “low price high quality products” neither. We had crappy services at the world's highest prices. At least in the last decade they were crappy services at a bargain price.

    Populism may fail, who knows, which only leaves isolationism and self-reliance. That will succeed because learning how to fish makes you break free from the fisher.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    Nostril...prepare to become like Russia or North Korea, or possibly Cuba. All isolated themselves and look what happened?

    Try to get some treatment.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You are confusing Capitalism with Crony Capitalism and Corruption. It is the same way you confuse Democracy with whatever you have in Argentina ( Kleptocracy? I guess)
    I have come to the conclusion Rgs are not smart enough to have any form of democracy ( like Egypt, Venezuela). It has failed and my guess is you'll have to have the military come back in power to fix everything.
    There will be bloodshed when this collapses
    I hope you took my advice and stocked up on Sugar.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    It takes two to Tango right? Same with “crony Capitalism”, it takes two for it to work.

    Foreigners were just as guilty as Argentines.

    Capitalism = fail (in Argentina)

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    No foreigners don't enforce laws in Argentina. This is your own mess because you are a Corrupted Society.
    You can't blame anyone else for the mess you are in.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Titti boi tobi........of course capitalism failed in Argentina. The rewards part gave all the RG's a woody the size of the Oblisk, when they were told you also had to work your ass off for great rewards..........no amount of Viagra was bringing that woody back.
    Who in there right mind wants to invest in Argentina and no repatriate profits? You think capitalism works for the good of Argentina? It's painfully obvious that Argentina does not possess the intellectual capacity to successfully manage capitalist businesses, but you sure the hell can run them into the ground when you steal.....errrrrr....I mean expropriate them.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Then why do you two morons insist on Capitalism, if you already know it will not work in Argentina...

    So I was right, you just want people to suffer gratuitously. I rest my case.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Are you confusing Capitalism with a form a Gov't?
    I don't understand your post.
    I think you are mixed up.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    As I thought, dumber than window soot.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Poor loser, for a long long long time you insisted on the decade being won.
    Clearly you were wrong.
    If you had any self-respect you'd thank those of us that pointed out the fallacies in your beliefs and suggested alternatives.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    You have had two years to propose me an “alternative”, and the alternative is still shining bright due to absence!!

    The decade was won, imagine if the debt had stayed. The whole decade would have been far worse than anything you see right now.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    “YPF’s prices have traditionally been the lowest in Argentina, but over the last year the company has taken steps to close the gap with the other retailers.”

    So nationalize the company and the prices go up

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    All the oil companies should be taken over, and their CEOs arrested for monopoly. Why is there no competition of prices ANYWHERE in the world for gasoline?

    I find it mingboggling how Europeans, North Ams, Asians and other Latin Americans accept the tyranny of these companies. Argentines don't.

    It is the only product on Earth where you never EVER see “sales, 20% off”, or $5 off, or any sort of discount or price variation between the “competitors” (total crap there is competition). The most you can hope for is a 50-99 cents difference, which is nothing.

    Yet no one investigates why capitalism has so miserably failed in providing competition in the oil industry.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @yankee
    “You are confusing Capitalism with Crony Capitalism”

    Very true. Toby frequently cites RG failure in the 90s as a failure of the free market reforms attempted there, rather than recognising that is was a failure of their own economic management and national institutions.

    Countries, like Argentina, where corruption is omnipresent are not compatible with a high level of economic freedom. Sadly they are often not compatible with democracy either. Chile was in a similar state some decades ago.

    @Toby
    “I find it mingboggling how Europeans, North Ams, Asians and other Latin Americans accept the tyranny of these companies. Argentines don't.”

    So why are you importing an ever increasing amount of fuel from these tyrants.

    “Foreigners were just as guilty as Argentines.”

    Right, so why was Chile able to manage foreign investment effectively in the same period? Institutional strength combined with intelligent economic management, neither of which are present in Argentina.

    “Capitalism was a complete failure in Argentina and it ain't coming back.”

    What are you talking about? You still have capitalism. Just because your businesses are uncompetitive; the state interferes in everything from the price of bread to how much you can spend on holiday; and there is chronic under investment doesn't mean it's not capitalism.

    You have capitalism albeit jungle capitalism, what you don't have is a high degree of freedom.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    More criticism, everything is Argentinas fault, blah blah blah.

    It gets boring blaming everything always on the same thing.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    @20

    It gets boring when you always blame the same thing on everyone else.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Toby,
    Right, it is everyone else's fault that Argentina failed.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Failed?

    What? Is it dead or something?

    What is the definition of failed? It's the only country in the entire region that was once 4th economically on Earth.

    Chile will NEVER EVER EVER reach that.

    If I want to be smarty, then I certainly could say that is a fail.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beresford

    Toby: Argentina failed because there were too many morons like yourself.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Capitalism is an economic system that operates within a legislative framework.

    What failed in Argentina was not capitalism but the legislative framework.

    Only Argentineans can be blamed for that.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @toby
    “It's the only country in the entire region that was once 4th economically on Earth.”

    4th economically a what?

    Are you referring to the fact it was briefly the 4th largest economy in the world at a time when every major economy except one had been destroyed by war. Cling to that triumph.

    “Chile will NEVER EVER EVER reach that.”

    That remains to be seen and the statement only confirms your contempt for Chile. I see no natural impediment.

    http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

    Ranked as the 7th most free economy and there being a close correlation between economic freedom and wealth creation, we are at least going up and have been consistently for over 25 years.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    It's not capitalism that failed in Argentina, it's the idea that wealth comes from plunder.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    Hardly surprising as Argentina seems obsessed with piracy because they are so good at it.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    In well deserved company:

    Argentina is one of the 19 countries which is in the range of “very high risk of social disorder” with Bolivia, Egypt, Greece, Syria and Venezuela, according to the classification published “The Economist”.

    In a report published in the supplement “The World in 2014” the British weekly, the status of 150 countries evaluated and screened in accordance with existing political, economic and social situation, the risk of social unrest, according to the scale: very high, high, medium, low and very low.

    The other countries of the “red” group by the high level of risk are: Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Guinea, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Sudan, Swaziland, Uzbekistan, Yemen and Zimbabwe.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Next thing you know, we'll be hearing the Red Group supports Argentina's claim to the Falklands

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    Argentina always the victim-what a joke.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Think's lost his Voice.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Tobi .....your obstinate stupidity blinds you to obvious realities of what Condo and Anglo just stated. Capitalism never left and is still there.....the wine industry, restaurants, retail outlets.....they all provide resources for sale from privately owned businesses. Resources do not have to be natural resources........merely goods in demand. And, as Anglo said, capitalism did not fail, the legislative framework the needs to monitor capitalism failed. How can you say capitalism is gone and not coming back? How can you reconcile that statement with all the YPF small deals to drill, especially with Chevron who can repatriate their profits? Is that not capitalism to you? You really did read “How to be a idiot Successfully for Dummies”. Do you insist that all businesses in Argentina.......their profits goes to the government of cuntface kirchner?
    Listen to what yankee said........you are confusing capitalism with the government and the governmental change is what, I dare say.....most of us say needs to happen, not necessarily the need for capitalism, it's governmental change. You miss that message over....and over....and over again. Keep in mind that capitalism is for hard working people and socialism....true socialism is for the mediocre. And somewhere in between are the successful societies.

    Jan 02nd, 2014 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Funny that Nostrils always claims to not be a fan of the government but seems to parrot their propaganda so well. Goes to show how damaged the Argentine education system is after the “successful decade” or the “won decade” or whatever load of bollocks Kirchner has decided to label her party’s destructive decade in power.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    @24

    Prove Argentina failed. Failed according to what, whom, or why? Last time I checked, the vast majority of people living on this planet were far worse off than the average argie.

    Don't thank me for disabusing you of your benighted state.

    @25

    Yes, EVERYTHING is our fault. Everything... lol, how pathetically expedient.

    @26

    Destroyed by war, the rest of the world? In 1907?????????

    Must be those amazing Chilean universities at work.

    @27

    THE ECONOMIST??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    I'll sell you a beach place in Bhutan, just send me the money and it's all yours!!

    @33

    Condorito does not even know when the World Wars were fought, and you expect me to take him seriously after that arrant blunder of facts?

    Anglotino on the other end is a social racist. Anyone who isn't wealthy (or Australian probably), is inferior.

    @34

    I would love to explain to you how Kirchner for all their shortfalls did Argentina a HUGE favor by creating this seething antagonism towards ALL things foreign, and to remove Argentina from the so-called “community of nations”, code word for “keeping Argentina down, poor and in debt, with no military or technology”. That is what the community of nations stands for, the status quo, i.e., European-North American supremacy. Hell no, we wised up.

    I would also love to continue this discussion, but alas... VACATION TIME IS HERE!

    Time for my overnight bed-bus to Necochea...

    Let mediocre minds roam free, for the next wonderful two weeks, with no Troll to oversee, the ignorant souls who cannot see.

    Happy summer everyone... Oh, that's rights, northern losers are freezing to death. What horrible nations those are, may the gods have pity on their miserable lives, in the cold, with no freedoms, and in perpetual economic decline as all Euro and North Am nations now find themselves.

    Bye.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Thank God he's gone!

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    It's vacation time....“time to pick the grapes”

    nostril....watch the Malbec.....it may stain your feet.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Time for my overnight bed-bus to Necochea..

    bed bus
    In civilized countries we fly.

    Be careful your driver isn't drunk

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Every 'people' have the government they deserve....didn't the Argies re-elect that populist moron, Cristina ?? now, lump it, it's their own bloody fault.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @35 toby
    True to form, demonstrating your lack of reasoning ability.
    I asked you “4th economically at what?”

    What you could correctly deduce is that I don't know what Argentina was “4th economically at”, but not that I don't know the dates of the world wars.

    Before you get on your overnight bus, I though we should see you off with a “Best Toby Quote of 2013” competition to demonstrate how important you are to this forum.

    There are so many to choose from, we really have been spoiled for choice, but my favorite was:

    “It is not possible to have tomatoes in winter. That's all there is to it.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/07/14/where-s-my-pizza-complain-argentines-short-of-tomato-and-flour

    I nominate this quote because it encapsulates:

    - your total ignorance of simple everyday things like greenhouses;
    - your total lack of worldliness; and
    - your incorrigible petulance when faced with the facts

    A close second:
    “Chile does not allow immigration”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/07/14/where-s-my-pizza-complain-argentines-short-of-tomato-and-flour

    This demonstrates your economy with the truth. It is impossible for a literate person from Mendoza to not know that Chile is one of the principle recipients of South American migration. So either you know your declaration is untrue or you don't live in Mendoza.

    Runner up would have to be:

    “There 200 billion in Argentine assets overseas. That could sustain the economy for two decades at 10 billion “FDI” a year.”

    ... at least you have a sense of humor.
    Enjoy your holidays!

    Any other nominations?

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Toby, some of the statements in your # 23 are so much b.s. that I'm only going to 'waste' my time commenting on one of them : when you stated that Argentina was the only country in “the entire region that was once 4th economically on Earth”, you probably meant the 4th “richest” on Earth, and well observed, “once”...no longer, and has not been for a long time. During WWII, Argentina supplied the allies with food, giving her credit all over the world....but that wealth was soon squandered by Peron, a populist and a nationalist , not to say outright thief...he bought up English concessions (the railroads for one) that would expire in a couple of years , just to be able to claim to the Argies that “it now belongs to us”...big deal !! how stupid can you be ? then he married a cabaret dancer , who stole from the working classes (i.e., those that pay taxes) to give to the 'poor' (seriously ?) despite this, she is idolized until today...probably not by the better informed and not so stupid ....and if you believe she was a great woman, then you've really been brainwashed ; after that Argentina just suffered from a sequence of military governments, then a bunch of useless, corrupt civilian ones, which are still in power today, currently presided by little Miss Pouty Red-Lips.....BUT, if you are happy in your ignorance, please stay where you are.....

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @23 WAS being the operative word, ask yourself why, 4th in the world to being the biggest non paying scrounging, lying deceitful nation on earth, that no ones trusts, no one will invest in because of constant lies, a nation so jealous of a group of islands doing well that you have to greet to the UN daily (and get laughed at daily) and are led by an idiot (which you follow like sad puppies), and still it's someone else's fault and not yours. Happy New Year.

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    You all know that Snotty will return, under another name.

    This time, when I see “TrOLLby Hat” or some other witty (witless) moniker, I don't think it will be worth responding/reacting to.

    :-)

    Jan 03rd, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Who can get past his constant claims of his “superior intellect”.

    I haven't the heart to tell him that in English intellect doesn't mean 'always wrong'.

    Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    44. I told him a long time ago he is the smartest monkey in the zoo.

    Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yankee.....like the sign talking chimp.....Coby.........interesting that the names are similar.

    Troy.......perhaps the new game of the day is ......“Guess my new name”......sponsored by: Titti Boi Tobi in alliance with Snotty the Nostril clown.

    He is so clever in his names.......NOT!

    Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    seems that Snotty has withdrawn to his insignificance, which is just as well as it's not much use trying to reason with hard-nosed, brainwashed nationalists...while it's very 'noble' to try to defend your own country, at least be rational and admit when it's in the crapper !

    Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    47 Jack
    We've all seen the differences in the Argentinian posters.

    The legit individuals like “Simon68”, say things like, “ I am Argentine and proud of it, but we have a terrible government in power which is destroying what could be a proud prosperous nation”, or something on the same theme. Patriots.

    The Nationslist La Campora Trolls, or indoctrinated individuals NEVER criticise the CFK government and never accept ANY criticism of their country - everything is the fault of foreigners.

    Dead giveaway - as ElaineB pointed out, they consider it treasonous to question or speak out against their government.

    I think you're right - Snotty is scurrying for cover.
    Stevie has given up trying to argue logically, he knows he looks like an ass, but he can't admit he supports a blatant bunch of crooks.

    All they can do is insult and spew “whataboutery”.

    Jan 04th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    TTT has used how many names and acquired how many terms of endearment over the years.....can they all be listed? I like Coby the sign language chimp.
    How many nationalities as well? Remember the African when the Libertad was seized?

    Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    At least Snotty was amusing at times, and imaginative.

    He was far more inventive and fun than Stevie and the other blunt tools of La Campora.

    Stevie is pedantic and predictable - a real mindless drone who doesn't question.

    Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I wonder where his mom took him for vacation.........to pick grapes in the vineyard?

    Jan 06th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    wow blaming Argentina for the price increase in fuel is similar to considering Malvinas Argentina part of Germany but we all here know the murderous ignorant racist people we are dealing with. a little useless trying to discause with the english retards.

    Jan 07th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @ 6
    Everything appears to be a complete failure in Argentina, not just capitalism.

    Jan 08th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Remember what they and the trolls said about the “Great Tomato Shrtage” of 2013? Well they are now allowing imports. It's peak growing season in the south hemisphere and they STILL have to import tomatos from Brazil? Oh I get it.......it's to offset Brazil's complaints of protectionism.

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/149185/gov%E2%80%99t-will-allow-imports-to-sustain-new-price-deal

    Jan 08th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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