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Record Spanish incursions into Gibraltar waters in the last twelve months
Spain has made a record number of illegal incursions into Gibraltar waters in the past year, new figures show. The Sunday Telegraph said the figures capped a 12 month period in which relations between the Rock and Madrid “reached their lowest ebb since the rule of General Francisco Franco.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhy we let these 3rd world wannabies take the peeeese we will never know,
Jan 06th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then again do we want to,
But you can bet, there is more to this than meets the Spanish eye,
Corruption, incompetence, political weakness,
Inherited bullying,
Pathetic ness , arrogance ,
Still,
The further down the drain Spain goes, the quicker she will bump into Argentina,
Two peas in the same pod, really lolol.
The last thing we should do is hand Spain a unifying enemy right now. The UK is doing exactly the right thing and in time Spain will have bigger fish to fry in Catalonia.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What we could be doing is driving a wedge between Spain and Morocco, that would be time well spent and it wouldn't do any harm to highlight Spanish hippocracy.
Morocco
Jan 06th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0should be given full support,
it wont hurt as,
but will give the Spanish a headache..lol
2/3
Jan 06th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What we could be doing is driving a wedge between Spain and Morocco”
....driving a wedge? Is there some sort of perfect harmony and good relations between Morocco and Spain?
Or are you saying the colonialists (UK) should support the territory aggrieved (Morocco ) against the other colonialists (Spain)?
...and how would that help the Colonialists (UK) concerning the territory aggrieved (Spain) concerning the colony Gibraltar...?
@4
Jan 06th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its very simple, the Spanish government will have too many disputes on too many fronts and their problems will become overwhelming.
The Basque
Cueta & Melilla
Catalonia
Gibraltar & UK
Also there is a sizeable independence movements in the Canary Islands & Andalucia I have heard.
It is very difficult for the UK to openly promote and support Catalonia right now due to the Scottish independence vote, that is a tactic for after September 2014. In the meantime the FO can promote, highlight and support Morocco reclaiming their territories and shine a light on Spain's hipocrisy over Gibraltar.
Its all about tactics, I think the UK are waiting for something serious to happen with the incursions , but the response for now needs to be measured as we need to promote the break up of Spain and not inadvertently hand their government a unifying cause that brings the Spanish together.
Have I explained myself clearly enough for you now?
What we really need is a submarine to surface next to one of their incursions, just for show you know.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Jan 06th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish have submarines too. We are not going to resolve this problem by flexing our military muscle, we can hurt them more economically and by encouraging disputes elsewhere.
446 sovereignty violations.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 00 results.
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Jan 07th, 2014 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crystal clear....that you don't understand irony....
Voice, #4,
Jan 07th, 2014 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0this would be the Morocco who's Moors occupied much of Iberian Europe for some hundreds of years, yes?
Perhaps 'we are all colonialists', now ;-)
Yes unfortunatly the new spanish sub is too heavy to surface again
Jan 07th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0and meanwhile business on High street in GIB down 40% and biting.......
Jan 07th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britworker. Had a great time with my Scotch pals at new year and tuned into the jungle drums in Helensburgh and surrounding posh parts. The British government has no need to worry because apparently any Scotch person with talent or money is planing to head South to England in the event of a yes vote. The Scots Nats is comprised mainly of benefits scroungers and embittered idlers who are pissed off with their benefits being finally cut off by the Tories. The people fleeing the new red republic will help make England even richer, and cheap holidays will be available north of the border. We shouldn't be worried about support for Catalan independence.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*13 let me see if I understand your thinking! You spend time with your ¨Scot friends¨who are the the people with ¨talent and money¨but in the event of a yes vote they would go to Britain leaving the Majority voters of a yes referendum in Scotland which tells me you loath the majority of Scots. I wonder what your ¨Scot pals¨think of your reasoning and your love of Scotland......
Jan 07th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¨we shouldn´t be worried about support of Catalan Independence¨
I think you brought back to many bottles of JOHNY WALKER WHISKEY which you do not know how to drink!!!!
Aussie, you got it, but I don't loath anybody, its just a fact that there are lots of scroungers up there. Wonderful countryside, wonderful people in the main, very hospitable generous and welcoming. But there is a sizeable minority, and it is a minority as can be seen from the 'yes' vote polls, who hate the English, hate Westminster, hate the idea of self reliance and seem to want to scrounge offf everyone else all the time. At least that's what all my Scotch friends tell me. They reckon 'yes' will get strongly rejected., but say if it were to happen, they would be off south like a shot and so would anyone with any sort of wealth because the Nats will whack up their taxes and create an even more socialist state which is a scroungers paradise on theor hard earned cash.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't drink Johny Walker, I prefer decent single malts.
What we, the UK, needs to do is to change grey-painted floating obstacles into artificial reefs. Then “spy trawlers” need to be exploded. There needs to be a “test” to see whether British artillery can reach Algeciras. Would Challenger 2 tanks flatten Guardia Civil? How much tarmac could a flattened Guardia Civil thug cover?
Jan 07th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 It's Johnnie Walker Whisky, divot
Faz/sunshine
Jan 07th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the big, laird-like properties in Scotland seem to have owners with Eton accents and wives who say “Yah” rather than yes.
If these could be segregated from the rich Scots (assuming there are some) then selective taxation of the rich could really make these ex-pat's pips squeak.
Hell, I'm surprised that the Spanish aren't already doin' it with the East End Brits.!
Gentlemen,
Jan 07th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain will not get Gibraltar,
No more than Argentina will get the Falklands,
Yet on the other hand,
Both are more likely to break up into smaller states or countries.
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#17 Geoff, .... Bliar .. and Cameron, where do those names come from? Rich Scotch send their sons to Eton because they want a head start in life. If thee were rich Spaniards or RGs they would send theirs too
Jan 07th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It reminds me of Europe in the 1930s - strong dictatorships and weak democracies. The UK needs another Winnie.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ICJ Delimitation Case Romania -v-Ukraine 3 Feb 2009
Jan 07th, 2014 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain made statements in respect not recognising Gibraltar's territorial waters when signing UNCLOS.
Romania made similar statements when signing that related to security, fisheries and uninhabited islands.
Here's what the ICJ said, Paragraph 33
'Finally, regarding Romania's declaration, the Court observes that under Article 310 of UNCLOS, a state is not precluded from making declarations and statements when signing, ratifying or acceding to the Convention, provided that these do not purport to exclude or modify the legal effect of the provisions of UNCLOS to the state which has made the declaration of statement. Romania's declaration as such has no bearing on the Court's interpretation.'
Para 33 http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/132/14989.pdf
@9
Jan 07th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop talking in riddles and brackets and speech marks, you might be easier to comprehend.
At the current time Spain intend to block Scottish inclusion into the EU should they become independent, that works for the UK government for now as if they can't use the pound and the EU doesn't want them, what the fuck are they going to use as a currency...haggis?
I doubt you will see the UK do anything much with respect to Spain's incursions into Gibraltarian waters pre the independence vote, it will be after September that all the fun will start.
“Spain has made a record number of illegal incursions into Gibraltar waters”
Jan 07th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only illegals there are the britons and the llanitos.
british sovereignty ends in great (lol) britain
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Jan 07th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF are you talking about ? There are no brackets or speech marks @ post 9...
If you are referring to post 4....you already understood it, as you replied to it @5.
The brackets are quite acceptable for (Spain) (UK)...
Speech marks? Are you referring to quote marks? They are surrounding a quote...yours!
Have you no comprehension of English Grammar at all?
Still not getting the irony of a Colonialist Country, siding against a Colonialist Country....concerning a colony.
Fortunately the UK Govt is not as stupid as you in following your crazy advice!
Also keep your stupid uninformed comments about Scotland to yourself...show me one instance, just one where the UK Govt has stated that Scotland will definitely NOT be able to use the pound and if you can't... Shut the Fcuk Up!
@23paulcedron,
Jan 07th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The country is not called “Great”Britain because we think its great(it is!)
But to distinguish the fact that its the biggest lsland in the British lsles.
Not sure but l think the Romans named it thus & called lreland, “Lesser Britain”.
@24
Jan 07th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d876614-52b6-11e3-8586-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2pkzWvJ7S
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d876614-52b6-11e3-8586-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2pkzWvJ7S
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d876614-52b6-11e3-8586-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2pkzWvJ7S
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d876614-52b6-11e3-8586-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2pkzWvJ7S
It matters not, they won't leave anyway. But if by some chance they do they won't be keeping the pound and you are fooling yourself if you think they will.
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Jan 08th, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha...like I said all those links and not one instance of the UK Govt saying that Scotland would definitely NOT be able to keep the Pound...
If I were you I would say yes you were right and I was wrong....zip it zip it zip it good!
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Isolde I was always taught in school that it was called “Great” Britain to distinguish Britain from Brittany...
being anti British will get one nowhere
Jan 08th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0some here are putting their hatred above and beyond ,
just to satisfy their own deluded dreams,
just goes to show how much brain damaged your government has done to you all...
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Jan 08th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh...it's all gone quiet over there...Oh...it's all gone quiet over there...Oh...it's all gone quiet...all gone quiet...it's all gone quiet over there...
....to the tune of ......“She'll be coming 'round the mountain when she comes,”
Opps my bad ....I forgot that I told you to be quiet...;-)))
That's because you're boring and predictable A_Voice.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely not the first time you've heard that.
GB is right to play a 'cool' diplomatic game in the face of constant baiting by the Spanish.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0They obviously want to - need to - create an outside enemy in order to cause the disparate regions to 'think as one' in their troubled circumstances.
Its not just showing these Latins 'British stoicism', its also to protect the EU from internal divisions when the whole structure is so fragile. A 'Bushfire' conflicts effected by force of arms within the EU will damage much more than Spain and GB.
Playing it 'cool' is exactly the right thing to do at this point in time.
in reality Spain thus shames the rest of the unmighty EU.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not 'shame', Brit.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The collapse of Spain would harm not just Mediterranean Europe.
There is no shame in the EU working with GB to ensure Spain's collapse does not come about.
the EU could do a lot more to ensure Spain backs away from Gibraltar,
Jan 09th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in this day and age , this should be beyond Spain and her unfounded claim.
I have absolutely no doubt that many EU leaders have 'advised' Spain behind the scenes.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a balancing act; you just have to guess where the fulcrum is.
only the future will tell if it works,
Jan 09th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one just hope Spain does the right thing in the end .
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