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Argentina denies it is blame for delay in Mercosur/European Union trade talks
Argentina's Foreign Ministry refuted an article by Brazilian newspaper Valór Económico reporting that negotiations between Mercosur and the European Union had been delayed by the failure to reach agreement with Argentina over a joint proposal of goods to include in a free trade agreement Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMy first thought when I saw the accompanying picture was “Cristina, that's not where you place your hand to animate your puppet!”
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyhow...... Brazil would love an FTA with the EU. But bad luck, you get the booby prize of supposed free trade with Argentina instead.
No, it couldn't be true, could it?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA wouldn't scream and scream and scream over something like this not when the axe is being sharpened and the rope plaited into a hangmans noose, just for her.
I don't know how anybody can suggest such things of Argentina!
Ha, ha, ha.
A psychologist could tell you a lot about that picture. The pat on the back is about control and who is in charge, or who likes to think they are.
Jan 11th, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina denies it is blame for delay in Mercosur/European Union trade talks”
Jan 11th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well of course they would. Even if it is true, they still would wouldn't they?
It's hard to see the wood for the trees when your moral compass is always pointing south.............
In the picture at the top, is that a knife in Dilma's back ?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't be Argentinas fault, could it?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arg lost trade preference in 2013 with the USA and a lot of wineries closed. Now they'll lose them with the EU they'll probably have a few 100 more business close.
Jan 11th, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil is the true loser, Argentina is an anchor around her neck but Dilma is a Marxist Terrorist so this is understandable choosing ideology over compassion for the workers and business owners that will be losing over this arrangement.
Here are some simple questions.
Jan 11th, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When has argieland EVER told the truth? When has argieland EVER been honest? Which latam “country” imposes export taxes? Which latam “country” regularly delays import “clearances” for weeks or longer? Which latam “country” regularly expects to obtain “preferences” to which it is no longer “entitled”? Which latam “country” thought it could steal from Europe and then insert its pitiful biodiesel production into the European market by “dumping”? Which latam “country” can't be trusted to comply with agreements, contracts, conventions, international law, protocols, UN Security Council resolutions, you name it?
The clue is that the answer to every question is the same “country”.
@1 and 3
Jan 11th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The picture most definitely shows the blind leading the blind.
Anglotino, yr concusions in # 1 are right... Brazil's hands are tied - they've got to honour a trade agreement with a bunch of morons that precludes them from negotiationg with worthwhile groups, EU and NAFTA. For Brazil, there's very little to be gained through the Mercosul. When it was created , about 25 years ago, is was sparked by a surge of latin-american nationalism, leading them to believe they could form an economic block powerful enough to face the USA, and as a ' block', negotiate more favourable terms for themselves....well, time has shown which way that has gone...
Jan 11th, 2014 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It all reminds me of what Simon Bolivar said when he declared that “Gran Columbia was ungovernable because Spanish America suffered from the triple yoke of ignorance, tyranny and vice”.
Jan 11th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His hope in later life was that ‘Gran Columbia’ would become a British protectorate
Turnip at (11)
Jan 11th, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Posts like yours remind me of the triple yoke of the Anglos....
Ignorance, haughtiness and lack of knowledge....
You quote (wrongly) Simon Bolivar and you can't even spell “Gran Colombia” correctly.....
What did he actually say? And what was the real context then?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnip at (13)
Jan 11th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DYOR.
Tinkaroo did your lights just come back on?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care to comment on the Peso crash?
the 40+% increase in food in 2013?
The month of no electricity or water in parts of Arg most populous city?
The fall out from 'won decade”
anything?
GO!
11
Jan 11th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahaha
Think - refer to
Jan 11th, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar
If you can prove it incorrect then state your sources .
see, you're not the only one who can use Google
Stevie, if you can prove me wrong state your references then I can have a good laugh as well
Funny lot South Americans - quite happy to slag off the rest of the world using wikipedia but get mightily offended when it's used against them
Think has been transmogrified! Doesn't sound like Think at all, syntax is wrong? Perhaps Think's contract with Gollum has ended and they have implanted a new puppet in the sock?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, anyone who expects a bunch of crooks to behave honesly is living in a dream.
TWIMC
Jan 11th, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Normally, I don’t interact with turnips…..
But turnip at (11) & (17) gives me the opportunity to highlight the value of that excellent Internet democratization tool called Wikipedia…
1) Turnip at (11) & (17) misspells “Gran Colombia” as ”Gran (sic)Col(u)mbia(sic). ”
His own Wikipedia link sets him straight…...... repeatedly.
2) Turnip at (11) & (17) misquotes Simon Bolivar by saying…: “Gran (sic)”Col(u)mbia”(sic) was UNGOVERNABLE because Spanish America suffered from the triple yoke of ignorance, tyranny and vice.”
His own Wikipedia link sets him straight, again...… Simon Bolivar spoke (rightly) about Spanish America having been subject to the “triple yoke of ignorance, tyranny, and vice”... Not any mention of it being ”UNGOVERNABLE” though.
3) Turnip at (11) & (17) abuses again the truth by saying that Simon Bolivar’s…: ”Hope in later life was that Gran (sic)”Col(u)mbia”(sic) would become a British protectorate”.
His own Wikipedia link sets him straight, yet again.
No mention of such Bolivarian “HOPE” nowhere on that Wikipedia link….
What a Turnip!
19 thk Troll
Jan 11th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 02) silly Troll,
It would be reasonable to conclude that Columbia
“was UNGOVERNABLE ” because Spanish America suffered from ”the triple yoke of ignorance, tyranny and vice.”
3) “abuses the truth” ?
Because something is omitted or not mentioned?? LOL !!
Wikipedia is not the same as Academia, though that does not seem to faze Think and the Trolls.
Think
”His own Wikipedia link sets him straight, again...… Simon Bolivar spoke (rightly) about Spanish America having been subject to the “triple yoke of ignorance, tyranny, and vice”... Not any mention of it being ”UNGOVERNABLE” though.“
Think
”No mention of such Bolivarian “HOPE” nowhere on that Wikipedia link….“
Without references and documentation to back up entries, Wiki cannot be considered as anything but opinion, and incomplete information.
And to 'Think' the Trolls live and die by ”Wikidamia”
Too funny!
Argentina denies it is blame for delay in Mercosur/European Union trade talks
Jan 11th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0?????????????
Denies everything , admits nothing ,
She has her reasons,
Her choice , her decision , her victory , her defeat ,
Says it all really .lol
.
@12 Perhaps what he said was “I bequeath to my people the ability to be total, ignorant wankers”. Guess what, you made it.
Jan 11th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 YMYDK. That translates as “You mean you don't know”. See? You are a wanker.
@19 So funny. You rely on the English version of Wikipedia? 21st century, tosspot. Not the 19th. Some of us have progressed beyond the Boli Wally”
@19
Jan 11th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Normally, I don’t interact with turnips…..”
Normally you don't talk to yourself??
But you're making an exception to your rule now, right?
Enjoy talking to yourself and impress your over inflated ego.
@ 19 Lunatic
Jan 11th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear!
Been correcting Turnips again have you Lunatic?
NOW, you KNOW what is coming in the future, don’t you?
Yes, a rerun of ME, correcting you, EVERYTIME I see a typo or a little grammatical mistake on your part.
Now the last time I did this was in response to you taking the piss out of me and YOU didn’t like it did you? You even stopped taking the piss out of various people who clearly have a literacy problem but always try their best and with a bit of care and consideration we can all work out what they are saying. So that will be the benchmark for me to stop.
Like last time I will put some deliberate minor mistakes in my post to you and if you do not detect them I shall take the piss out of you.
So I will cut you NO SLACK from now on.
We will see how you like it this time, eh, Lunatic? From a Turnip who is going to make you miserable tiny life taking the piss out of other Turnips, unbearable.
Of course Argentina denies anything and everything - it is somebody else's fault!
Jan 11th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- - -
“Think” (hrm) writes ”1) Turnip at (11) & (17) misspells “Gran Colombia” as ”Gran (sic)Col(u)mbia(sic). ”
Oh, nobody (including Idiot-Think) is able to recognize what Columbia is supposed to mean - well, to be honest, even Idiot-Think does understand exactly what was meant.
Idiot-Think is a turnip, who doesn't interact with turnips - thank Dog, no Idiot-Think offspring.
Funland
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dimmark
Germ-many
Scatland
Brutain
Eataly
Grease.......
Even Turnip at (25) will understand exactly what was meant with the above.
But....., if I wished to make a serious comment about a Country's history, grounding fathers, etc, I would do my best to, at least, spell its name correctly.....
@ 26 Lunatic
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do hope so because I will be waiting to “help” you get it right.
No, no need to thank me.
this one's for the radical CFK supporters : go back to school and study REAL history...not the nationalistic rubbish you are brainwashed with...
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think peso think.
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 Think
Jan 11th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But....., if I wished to make a serious comment about a Country's history, grounding fathers, etc,”
I THINK you'll find that it's “Founding Fathers”............ Please try and keep up with the rest of the class, think-me-not, It's posters like you that make us THINK that all argentinaians on this website are argumentative, needlessly picky and suffer with a superiority complex..... Oh, wait a minute..........
Turnip at (30)
Jan 11th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I THINK you'll find that the term “Founding Fathers” is mostly used in Northamerica to refer to the 39 signers of the US Constitution....
Sixteen of whom owned slaves....
Our “Grounding Fathers” in Southamerica did not own such type of property.....
Think any comment on the peso crash?
Jan 11th, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've been gone so long was your electric.
The power outages in Argentina started around Dec. 17th and Mercopress started reporting them on Dec. 18th.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0When was the last time we heard from Thunk? It seems about the same time.
Yep
Jan 12th, 2014 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 011
Jan 12th, 2014 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahaha
33 Bushpilot
Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps he had some unexpected Grounding issues ?
Maybe Paraguay will be the fly in the ointment, they are the ones that have held on to tariff benefits to Europe, if they realize it's a game of relativitity next to their stupid Brazo and Argie friends in Mercosul then they may see that keeping the status quo aint too bad for their growth....a great chance for the little guy to stick the knife in....
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this make Argentina a “hollow talks” denier ?
Jan 12th, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bah ha ha !!!
Jan 12th, 2014 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahahaha
Jan 12th, 2014 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Genius Lord Ton!
37
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean Paraguay should aim to stay in poverty in order to claim the EU limozna, because that will help their growth.
Is that another Bolivar “late-in-life realization”?
Hahahahaha
Keep it coming!!
Think - is it correct that you are now taking over from Wikipedia? I “Think” , therfore I am!
Jan 12th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I “Think” you should assume a post in Wikileaks, what with your incontinence problem.
@31 Idiot-Think claims that “Grounding Fathers” in Southamerica did not own slaves.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then who owned the app 2 million black slaves in Argentina?
and how was Argentina able to perform yet another genicide?
Negritud y racismo : El genocidio de la población negra de Argentina
http://www.elcorreo.eu.org/Negritud-y-racismo-El-genocidio-de?lang=fr
En 1502, llegaron los primeros esclavos negros de África a América. (At a time when the Americas were solely Spanish and Portuguese)
http://www.elcorreo.eu.org/Negritud-y-racismo-El-genocidio-de?lang=fr
Uno de los pasajes fundamentales del Martín Fierro, escrito en 1872 y considerado el libro nacional de la Argentina, consiste en dos encuentros del protagonista con gauchos negros: al primero lo asesina con evidente desdén racista.
Quote from “Martín Fierro”:
For the whites did God,
mulattos to San Pedro,
Blacks made to the devil
for blight of hell.
Why is Idiot-Think always in complete denial about the many misdeeds committed in Argentina?
it is weird that a bunch of british wannabes talk about slavery and massacres when britain was the responsiblee of the biggest massive killings and trade slave in history.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina abolished the slave trade in 1813, a lot before than the british empire.
and most of the black people of argentina was killed during the guerra de la triple alianza.
war that was basically promoted and financed by britain
”Britain played a key role in the war for very important reasons: one of them is the need to have access to the provision of cotton for its thriving textile manufacturing companies, something that had been in danger due to the outbreak of the American Civil war (1861-65). On the other hand, Paraguay, with its autonomous and self-sufficient economic model, was considered a ‘’black sheep’’ for the dominant logic of world economy based on the ideas of the free market, ideas that were supported and expanded by Britain as the hegemonic power of the time. Arguably, such a bad example against the established world order had to be destroyed and converted into the logic of the free market.”
Argentina's bond prices fell Friday after the country's foreign-exchange reserves dropped to a seven-year low.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On Thursday, Argentina reported that its dollar reserves, the currency the government uses to pay bondholders, fell to $30.2 billion, a decline of $374 million since the start of the year. This week the Argentine peso hit a record low on the black market, where many businesses acquire currency to skirt state controls.
Some investors say they've sold Argentina's bonds in recent weeks on increasing concerns about dwindling reserves. Economists say a number of measures introduced by the government late last year haven't slowed the flow of dollars out of the country. Meanwhile, rising inflation and price controls have led to social unrest.
“Argentina is a deteriorating story,” said Gorky Urquieta, global co-head of emerging market debt at Neuberger Berman Fixed Income LLC
#44 Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807 (before the existence of Argentina and therefore not “a lot before than the british empire”). In 1813 Argentina emancipated the sons of slaves, not slaves themselves. The legal prohibition of slavery didn't occur until 1853, 20 years after the British Empire (1833).
Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the wider terms of South America, slavery was legal in Brazil until 1888, 55 years after it was made illegal in the British empire.
You mention the (disputed) theory that Britain was behind the War of the Triple Alliance. This is a product of Argentine Revisionism in the 60s and not supported by most academics. What is clear though, is that during that war Argentina stole vast tracks of Paraguay which have not yet been returned, and the war resulted in the deaths of up to 60% of Paraguay's pre-war population.
So, you're a liar or a fool. Which one?
TWIMC (and the Turnip at (43) )
Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About the Martin Fierro….
In a repentant tone, the Gaucho Martin Fierro recalls how he, a deprived, wronged and drunk white male picks a verbal fight with an even more underprivileged black male…
In a remorseful tone, the Gaucho Martin Fierro evokes how, in the following knife duel, initiated by the black man, he kills him…
In a contrite tone, the Gaucho Martin Fierro brings to mind how the black man was, without ceremony, prayer or mark, plough under the Pampas by the “System”…
In a penitent tone, the Gaucho Martin Fierro asserts his wish of giving the black man’s remains a proper burial so his soul can rest in peace…..
................ More a high-quality example of XIX century social-realism literature than racism I would “Think”….
http://www.biblioteca.clarin.com/pbda/gauchesca/fierro/fierro_07.html
About our Southamerican “Grounding Fathers….:
To the best of my knowledge…......., O'Higgins, Artigas, Bolívar, Sucre, San Martín and the rest of our ”Grounding Fathers” in the beginning of the XIX century did not own slaves and were declared opponents of slavery and racism…
Regretfully, their true libertarian spirit was, later on, defeated by the incorporation of most of South America into the ”Informal British Empire” and its well known ”Double Standards”…
Ps...:
Some good economic news from Argentina...:
Seems to be that a deal has been reached with the Paris Club, including a 100% Argie Bond payment a hefty rebate on the debt :-)))
Seems to be that the Gramercy/Finetech plan is advancing faster and better than expected and some very positive official news will be announced in the next couple of weeks :-)))
Think is happy....
Mercosur is a consolidated space. Does not divide! We know there are differences. But our destination is walk together. In life or in death. In health or disease.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europe presses, but in fact they need more of us than we are of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Ta53RSRK8
31 Think
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0................. I rest my case.
By the way.... When is that implanted population ( argentina ) going to give the land that they have illegally occupied back to it's rightful owners?
Any comment on that think-me-not??
@ 44 paulcedron - one of the usual ignorant Argentines - wrote: “when britain was the responsiblee of the biggest massive killings and trade slave in history”
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The biggest massive killings and trade slave in history was the Arab slave taking and trade which went on for more than a millennium.
Tidiane N'Diaye: The Veiled Genocide (The Islamic Slave Trade of Black Africans)
“17 million black Africans who refused to convert to Islam were deported to the Muslim world as slaves.” “And the worst part is that most of the enslaved were castrated and sadly, weren't allowed to have any children. The Islamic slave trade of black Africans lasted over 13 centuries.”
http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.se/2012/07/tidiane-ndiaye-veiled-genocide-islamic.html
Of the app 12 million slaves brought to the Americas, more than a million were brought to Argentina - an enormous proportion of the entire Atlantic slave trade. Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries half the population were slaves from Africa in some of the Argentine provinces.
You are as usual ignorant and in denial of your own actual history - no matter how disgustingly Argentina behave, it is always somebody elses fault, as opposed to e.g. the UK, the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, where everybody, governments included, have recognised their country's and ancesters' guilt.
not a surprise the british wannabes don´t know the history of argentina or the rol of britain during both the campaña del desierto and the guerra de la triple alianza.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not by chance the biggest beneficiaries with the campaña del desierto were the british railway companies and the british sheep farming companies, while with the guerra de la triple alianza were the baring brothers bank and the rothschild bank.
as a small example, here we have a list of british estancias in southern patagonia (not in the rest of patagonia, just in the sothern part)
http://patbrit.org/bil/ranchers/estanciatbl.htm
what had the british got to do in southern argentina?
but the worst part was during el período agroexportador.
england was always like a curse for argentina.
they always wanted these lands (invasiones inglesas 1806 - 1807 / vuelta de obligado 1845), british informal empire, etc..
they have malvinas, but at least we got rid of them.
#51 Are you going to retract your lies/mistakes about the slave trade in #44?
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are pathetic blaming the UK for the crimes of Argentina.
British idiots. Will sing in your yard!
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racism and slavery are you own.
You are free to bark.
#53 A Brazilian making a comment about slavery is hilarious. Your country maintained slavery for 50 years after it was made illegal in the British Empire and 25 years after the United States. Hypocrite.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 44 paulcedron - one of the usual ignorant Argentines - wrote: “argentina abolished the slave trade in 1813, a lot before than the british empire”
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The usual viveza criolla ( http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla ).
Argentina Abolished slavery 40 (forty) years later than except Paul (Ignorant is my middle name) Cedron claims, namely in 1853.
As late as 2001, Maria Lamadrid, one of the few surviving Afro-Argentines, was stopped in Ezeiza International Airport in Buenos Aires and told to show a real passport. “This can't be your passport”, They told me, “There are no blacks in Argentina”. The immigraciones officers were sure that all blacks had been exterminated in one of Argentina's genocides.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla
As everybody - except Paul (Ignorant is my middle name) Cedron - know, that on 22 February 1807, the UK Parliament passed the Bill that abolished the trading of slaves with an overwhelming 283 votes for to 16 against. The British ban on slave trade imposed stiff fines for any slave found aboard a British ship.
All the nonsense paulcedron has written is, of course, somebody else's fault. They forced him to write rubbish. Oink, oink.
@ 54
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We abolished slavery in our lives and MINDS.
and you?
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Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The nincompoop in 47 wrote: “To the best of my knowledge…......., O'Higgins, Artigas, Bolívar, Sucre, San Martín and the rest of our ”Grounding Fathers” in the beginning of the XIX century did not own slaves and were declared opponents of slavery and racism…”
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, my dear nincompoop - it was somebody else who owned the huge number of slaves in Argentina.
#56 Is that your response? That's absolutely hilarious and a god damned lie. Brazilians kept and abused slaves long after the British Empire. More so even than even the US or British Empire the foundation of your country and its initial wealth was generated by the labour of slaves.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahaha
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DUMB!
You're too stupid to deserve a decent response!
Britain urgently needs to reform its education.
Or will be slaves!
@26 You missed one. Your “country”; fuckedland.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 Actually, being mostly Spanish with Italian turds, they did. Imported from the Spanish cencentration camps in Cuba. More research?
@41 Please be aware. Request no aid, benefits or preferences. Get your tongue out.
@44 You have trouble recollecting the Roman Empire, moron? Ooooh, that included Italy and Spain. Even in the Middle Ages and later, Spain was still “sentencing” individuals to be galley slaves. And Italy had the largest slave markets.
@47 Small points. Fierro - a murderer. “Grounding” refers to running aground. A 17th-19th century equivalent to a plane crash.
@48 Europe “needs” mercosur like it needs herpes. Most of mercosur IS herpes. But there is time. If you get back to your proper place. Peasant. Do try to understand. We can begin the proper process of extermination of sub-human microbes. Is microbes the right word? Should it be bacteria? Stick with walking together in death. We'll be glad to help you achieve that!
#60
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You're too stupid to deserve a decent response!” - Truly pathetic.
“Or will be slaves!” a threat to be contrasted with “We abolished slavery in our lives and MINDS.” - I don't think I've heard anything so hypocritical and stupid even from our Malvinista posters.
Yep
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would this be the Bernardo O’Higgins, the bastard of Ambrosio O’Higgins whom he never met but was sent by him to LONDON, where the bastard got all fired up by American Independence which fired his own nationalistic pride? Yes, I thought it was.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well he outshone his father, that’s for sure.
@ 51 paulcedron - one of the usual ignorant Argentines - wrote: “the rol[e] of britain during both the campaña del desierto”
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul (Ignorant is my middle name) Cedron then provides us with a list of British owned estancias in southern patagonia, as usual after googling, but not reading his own reference, which does not list one single estancia from before the Argentine genocide on the indigenous population.
After the genocide, Patagonia was divided into huge tracts of land given to the usual corrupt Argentine cronies, some of whom then sold part of their land to others, among them some Brits.
I freely admit that some of the owners on the list have soooooo typical British names, like José Menéndez, Ernesto von Heinz, José Montes, José Nogueira, José Suárez, Sara Braun, Rudolphy Fuenzalida. They are soooooo British.
Tell us, how many of the estancias on your list were owned by Brits before the year 1900?
Then he asks: what had the british got to do in southern argentina?
What had people of Spanish descent to do in southern Argentina? Menéndez, Suárez, ...
What had people of German descent to do in southern Argentina? von Heinz, Braun
What had anyone but the indigenous population to do in southern Argentina?
Wow, I didn't know that all the negotiations of 30-40 countries had been held up - all this time - by ... Brasil!
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe that, you'll believe any Argentine propaganda!
(66) GeoffWard2
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well......
I “THINK” that you, that intelligent Brasilian social conscient pretty wife of yours and I quickly could agree in blaming the French......
N'est-ce pas?
47 think
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Some good economic news from Argentina...:
Seems to be that a deal has been reached with the Paris Club, including a 100% Argie Bond payment a hefty rebate on the debt :-)))
Seems to be that the Gramercy/Finetech plan is advancing faster and better than expected and some very positive official news will be announced in the next couple of weeks :-)))“
”Released officially in a couple of weeks” - how would YOU know??
Are you just desperate to say something (unsubstantiated) to sound good, or are you privy to inside information, ie. you work for Timmerman??
51 PaulCedron
“not a surprise the british wannabes don´t know the history of argentina or the rol of britain during both the campaña del desierto and the guerra de la triple alianza.
not by chance the biggest beneficiaries with the campaña del desierto were the british railway companies and the british sheep farming companies, while with the guerra de la triple alianza were the baring brothers bank and the rothschild bank.”
So, you saying that the people in charge, really running the country, the builders of infrastructure, agricultural promoters and experts, financiers, masterminds of the Argentine economic miracle - they were the British, not the Argentine people, military, and government that sheepishly did their bidding without question, using blacks as front-line 'cannon fodder', is that what you are saying?
BTW, your list of ranches, how many Argentine (Spanish) ones were there. Perhaps you only included the South because that is the ONLY region with large numbers of Brits?
Did you notice that the majority of “British” ranches were settled in 1906 or 1922, long after your 1880's “Conquest of the Desert”??
I notice that poor Brasileiro is so embarrassed by his knowledge of abolition of slavery in 1888 and the fact that blacks are still today, 126 years later, at the bottom of Brasil society.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasileiro's posts are neither stupid nor hypocritical - he is ashamed of his country, and as when Argentines are ashamed of their country, he spews venom, just like poor Toby Big Nostrils.
Turnip at (68)
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for reposting my Economic Good News from Argentina......
Re-readig them, i noticed a little ommision mistake....
It should read..:
”Seems to be that a deal has been reached with the Paris Club, including a 100% Argie Bond payment AND a hefty rebate on the debt :-)))”
@think. belgrano athletic in spite of living in s.i.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you from san isidro too?
clearly they don't have universities in puerto stanley
and clearly they do not understand the difference between abolishing slave trade (what the asamblea del año 13 did) and abolishing slavery.
probably they also don´t know the british slave trade lasted untill 1845 / 1850 in several british colonies and british companies
http://www.history.ac.uk/ihr/Focus/Slavery/articles/sherwood.html
http://www.history.ac.uk/ihr/Focus/Slavery/articles/sherwood.html
they should be more interested in building colleges and universities than in importing inflatable docks.
You are ever welcome, Geoff. “Saudades”.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and still no comment on the Peso at almost 11 Sra Tinakaroo?
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've got a lot of catching up since your lights came back on.
African slaves were brought to Argentina to toil on large haciendas and serve as domestic servants. Slavery in Argentina wasn't abolished until 1853.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 1778 census showed that 7,236 of 24,363 Buenos Aires residents, or 30 percent, were African ... there was a deliberate policy of genocide against the Afro Argentinian, which was openly expressed by many Euro-Argentines as Domingo F. Sarmiento and was probably implemented by using repressive policies during epidemics and wars as a tool of mass destruction.
70 think
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No answer from you, then?
71 Paul Cedron
No comment from you about who 'really' ran Argentina?
Care to tell us how 'your' “blacks” mysteriously all perished during the War of The Triple Alliance? There are still Spanish in Argentina, but no Blacks, and almost no Amerindians.
Your “Triple Alliance” was Uruguay, Brazil, and Argentina - to stop Paraguay, a successful rival - oops, some things never change.
As for the British, I'm sure they would have invested in, and bought from, whoever had their shit together to produce what they wanted.
The 3 SA “hermanos” couldn't allow that!!
BRASILIERO
Now it back to “Que que, no speak Ingles, Mr Fawlty”
@71
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are going to post acomment on this site at least get the facts right, Google “ infatable docks ” to find out the true meaning of inflatable.
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Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 076
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.superyachttendersandtoys.com/toys_inflatabledocks
so what?
@78
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are probably more used to “ inflatable dolls ”, by the way I never open any links on a site.
@71 paul
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should 3000 people consider building a university as a priority ahead of building up their economy? How many settlements in Argentina of a similar size have a university? Also, of the top 50 universities in the world (QS), 8 are in the UK, 19 in the US, Australia has 4 and Canada 3. Argentina has none in the top 50, and not even any in the top 200 (compared to the UK's 30). So I'm sure the islanders know what they are doing when they choose where to send their kids to University (funded by themselves it should be noted) and one day, if/when the FIs do get big enough to warrant a University then I'm sure they will be able to find friends to help them. I have to say, your post smacks more of bitterness than of genuine concern for their interests.
80
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has none in the top 50, and not even any in the top 200”
no? 151-200 University of Buenos Aires
http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2013.html
i thought you were not a colony of the uk, us, australia or canada. so why you are referring to their universities?
79, 80
Jan 12th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever notice that “Paul” will make a provocative, controversial, or blatantly partisan, untrue statement and then walk away when challenged or refuted?
Wilfully blind at best, he knows he is full of shit.
:-D
Paul,
Are you finding that in reality, nothing fits your model??
Duped by your government, and by CFK's Trolls
Ja ja ja
Of course Paul (Ignorant is my middle name) Cedron doesn't understand why English speaking students prefer a university where they teach in English - it's just one of those things, sigh! try to live with it.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, Universidad de Buenos Aires is more like no. 209.
Next comes 317 Universidad Austral, next 321 Universidad Católica Argentina (UCA).
Small Chile is at # 166
QS World University Rankings 2013
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=350+faculty=+stars=false+search=
I think Paul is jealous that the Falklanders can go anywhere in the world to any university because they have a passport that actually is accepted outside of SA and they have the $ to pay for it.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even the ”best' Universities in Argentina are simply awful, graffiti everywhere, ceilings falling down, no heat or a/c, dead lawn, broken windows...and this after a won decade. Who'd a thunk it?
Argentina was intermittently at war with itself or with others from the wars of Independence beginning in 1808 to the War of the Triple Alliance in 1865-70. Moreover, Afro-Argentines were disproportionate participants in all of these conflicts, with the inevitable consequences for a group already plagued by a highly skewed sexual distribution. Andrews provides a wealth of information on the military exploits of Afro-Argentines of all social levels, and he concurs with local authors regarding the final disastrous blow to Afro-Argentine males resulting from their service and all too frequent death in Paraguay during the War of the Triple Alliance.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[1] George Reid Andrews: “Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires, 1800-1900”, 1980, University of Wisconsin Press, p. 91.
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Jan 12th, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rumor is the Rg inter-bank rate is going to 27% .
Jan 12th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rut ro
Oh, dear, my poor little boy.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English expression ”Paul (Ignorant is my middle name) Cedron “ translates to Paul Ignorant Cedron, acquired because you have been shown to claim a lot of things without support.
”argentina abolished the slave trade in 1813, a lot before than the british empire“ - wrong. Britain abolished slave trade 1807.
Britain also abolished slavery long before Argentina, namely by law 1833 and in practice 1 August 1834, Argentina did not abolish slavery until the Constitución de la Nación Argentina de 1853. Buenos Aires continued to allow slave ownership until 1861. (G. R. Andrews: ”The Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires, 1800–1900”, p. 57)
“when britain was the responsiblee of the biggest massive killings and trade slave in history” - also wrong.
The islamic slave trade of black Africans was not only the most brutal, it also lasted over 13 centuries with 17 million victims; only app 12 million to the Americas by Spain, Portugal, Britain, USA, France, and a few more; bad enough but still only 70% of the islamic.
“british estancias in southern patagonia” - many of which were shown to be owned by Argentines, ex-Spanish and ex-German nationals.
“most of the black people of argentina was killed during the guerra de la triple alianza” - almost true, except this were only the men and - like the indigenous men - deliberately sent to get killed in the war, as part of el blanqueamiento.
After having told us that one of the ranking list places University of Buenos Aires anywhere between 151 and 200 (many small countries score far better), the poor dear suddenly no longer likes university rankings “Why we shouldn’t trust global university league tables”.
The whole thing is, of course, somebody else's fault, because England ruled Argentina from 1816 until the 1950es and again in April 1982 - or sumfin'
It seems rather unfair, that the British are getting all the blame for the ill’s and history of South America,
Jan 12th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The interpretations seems to be,
That without Britain,
Or , if you take the British out of the equation,
Than most of South America and mostly Argentina would have no history at all,
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Except for some minor intrusions, [depending on ones point of view]
And the war, [ that you lost] and thus blame us,
Would I not be far from the historical truth and say –
That the USA, Spain, France, and Portugal, had more influence and more to do with south America than Britain every did,
After all, the American did sink an argy ship did it not,
But of course chaps, if im totally wrong please feel free to tell me…lol
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@ 89 Briton
Jan 12th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no, no, no you've got it all wrong :-)
Not Britain, and not British, but England and English!
After several years of hard work trying to teach malvinistas the difference between the UK/Britain and England, and British and English hasn't yet paid dividend - but maybe sometime around 2050?
@86
Jan 12th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be honest I have never tried either of them, although I was married to an Argentinian lady for some time, so you can appreciate I needed neither.
Think, yr #31 takes the prize....for “IGNORANCE”...just fyi, “Our “Grounding Fathers” in Southamerica did not own such type of property”.....I presume you are referring to your nation's national heroes...that statement, if taken LITERALLY, may have some truth in it, but the fact is they didn't need slaves...they used the 'people' instead..a lot of them were just plain thieves and tyrants. Take good look at José de San Martin....stole fortunes from the people he vowed to 'protect', and was a damned coward... don't know what you were taught at school, but obviously not the truth.
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Jan 12th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 091
Jan 12th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I was married to an Argentinian lady for some time”
considering that argentinian women are amongst the most beautiful in the world, and that british people are amongst the most distasteful, i strongly doubt it.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/27/best-looking-women-cities-kiev-stockholm-and-in-the-neighborhood-buenos-aires
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/27/best-looking-women-cities-kiev-stockholm-and-in-the-neighborhood-buenos-aires
93 Thinky
Jan 12th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, youodt there - your misinformation exposed for the lies they are.
I think one of the big problems with Argentina's Society is that their “Grounding” Fathers are nothing but corrupt sleazeballs that were only out to enrich themselves.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is why as a nation they could never succeed. They have no single or group of people to admire and emulate.
It is the reason they will continue to fail
Corruption is in their very being
Rotting from the inside
Tinakroo 11/1 11/1 11/1 11/1 and that the is new floor.
@ 93 nincompoop
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant arguments - coming from you.
Which part of your infantile scribble provides anything to contradict Jack Bauer's #92.
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@ paulcedron
Based on my 12 years experience of travelling in Argentina, the most beautiful Argentine women come from Rosario and Tandil. The single most beautiful Argentine woman I have ever met (or seen) was from Resistencia.
All the fake blondes and skinny females with silicone breasts and lips in Buenos Aires are awful in comparison.
To ask or claim which are the world's most beautiful women is meaningless. An inuit man has one preference, an Australian aborigin another, etc.
@st john
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All the fake blondes and skinny females with silicone breasts and lips in Buenos Aires are awful in comparison.”
i was talking about ordinary girls you can find in neighbourhoods like san isidro, belgrano or recoleta.
and it seems you are talking about the girls you hired in the brothels of microcentro.
Think, yr # 93 : “Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure......
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Obama is a Muslim Mole, son of a Kenyan female Gorilla and a Saudi Male Camel.....” is funny - keep it up arsehole, you are the comic relief of this strip...
Turnip at (97)
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh come on… Don’t be such a killjoy…
All the above stories are the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth…. I swear to Her Majesty!
Next thing, you will try to deny the fact that Her Royal Highness Queen Lizzy does keep a Marmite jar over Her favourite fireplace at Balmoral containing Di’s & Dodi's unborn foetus ….
Turnip at (99)
Funny.....?
Those stories above are as true and as well documented as your story about Don José de San Martin.....
Did anyone corner the Tomato market yet?
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it's one of the many tragedies of Argentina that they are cursed with Argentine men.
Comedian Think, re yr #100, “Those stories above are as true and as well documented as your story about Don José de San Martin.....”.... why don't you go to Lima (in case you don't know, it's in Peru)....and read their local records...it's as documented as you are stupid. José de San Martin, South American “liberator” ? sure, he 'liberated' the Limeños of all their gold and silver...
Jan 12th, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems the expert in romance languages is also an expert in south american history.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0where did he learn it?
in one of puerto stanley´s famous colleges about hispano american history?
at least, the peruvian congress considers that san martin was the libertador de américa.
but if an authority in spanish language, south american history, portuguese language, argentinian history and peruvian history, considers the opposite, well, we have to re think it.
http://www.andina.com.pe/espanol/noticia-congreso-publica-obra-sobre-jose-san-martin-a-su-paso-peru-297625.aspx#.UtMq7dLuJ8E
http://www.andina.com.pe/espanol/noticia-congreso-publica-obra-sobre-jose-san-martin-a-su-paso-peru-297625.aspx#.UtMq7dLuJ8E
@ 98 Paul Birdbrain Cedron who wrote some childish nonsense as a response to my post # 97.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prove that I have ever frequented a brothel.
Argentines who have no real arguments turn to pathetic claims.
if the falklanders keep their current level of education, soon they will be ruled by the penguins.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.insidescience.org/content/penguins-math-behind-huddle/849
PaulCedron “hollow Links Denyer”
Jan 13th, 2014 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The cause of the decline of Universities in Arg and Cha-ville is due to political cronyism and poor economy” - to paraphrase this article from 6 mos. ago:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/09/09/argentina-uruguay-and-venezuela-fall-dramatically-in-wef-competitiveness-ranking
Where do you think they are now?
Is AR Peso at 11/1 now?
I think I've seen it all!
Jan 13th, 2014 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Paulcedron an Argentinean?
#106
Jan 13th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0That will still put them 6 points more up the evolutionary scale than the Argentinians.
Interbank at 27%. What is the threshold for Market Disruption in RG!!!?
Jan 13th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0106. Weren't the Ks called penguins? Arg has been ruled by them for 13 years and they've left it broke and in ruin. That will never happen to the Falklands. Never.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Argentina enters the abyss, they are going to be like cornered animals biting and growling.
Be careful of cornered animals
They're dangerous.
Cedron, yr comments (#104,106) add nothing constructive to the discussion. And, it's no surprise you twat, that official Peruvian history praises San Martin...they aren't going to teach the incovenient truth and crap all over their only 'fake' hero ....it's quite likely that in 30 years from now, Argie kids will be brainwashed to believe CFK was the saviour of Argieland...alone, against the whole - cruel - world.....
Jan 13th, 2014 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they aren't going to teach the incovenient truth and crap all over their only 'fake' hero”
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, surely you know their and our history better than them and us.
i forgot you were a very illustrated falklander with a complete primary education.
Paulie, I don't always believe the official versions...quite often, distorted...
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulie you don't have to be a Falklander to realize your brain is needing surgery from all the brainwashed crap you spin. It will be a delicate operation though because it's so small.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0114 jackie
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ultra officialist argentine newspapers (pagina 12, tiempo argentino) or this tabloid or the sun, daily telegraph, etc. are the same sh*t with different smell.
in the ultra k media all you can find are good news and that argentina is like switzerland.
here, exactly the opposite.
the ultra kirchneristas trust in officialist media as if they were the bible.
the same with the readers of mercopress.
neither ones nor the others are capable of reasoning or discriminating
so i do not believe in official versions in general.
it seems you believe in the official version that suits with you.
Paulie ..seems something finally hit home...you agree that the official K media just publishes what it wants the masses to believe ! and I'm not saying it's much different anywhere else.... for a moment you gave me hope that you might not be a total loss after all, but then you HAD to spoil it with the last line, didn't you ? I implied - or was it too subtle for you ?- that I do not gobble up all the official shit you read in the papers....wake up !
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, agree with you about the k media.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they are not directed to the masses. they are hardly read by a tiny minority.
i am the first in distrusting them.
exactly with mercopress.
it is not that the news posted here are false, but they are biased, and soemtimes exaggerated.
something is real and it is we are in a bad situation here.
what means that many unemployed, homeless, retired, etc will have a very bad time.
it seems some media are glad with that.
about the last sentence, it was just a bit of rant.
According to the papers today,
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain [Britannica ]
was settled over 2 million years ago,
so that's our lot settled then,
don't say much for you argies,
what is it now 200 years old..
lol.
still,
you only have 1 million 999,800 years to catch up ..lol
if my maths is ok .lol
Paul, congrats ! yr #118 sounds quite civilized....it is quite reasonable to accept that in a forum like this, emotions and tempers are going to flare up, but a total disregard for the civil rights of the Falkland community, and what THEY want, is NOT the way to go. It's exactly this type of posture that precludes any possibility of rational dialogue.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0again agree with you jack.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course the civil rights and the opinion of the islanders must be heard and respected.
i also think the way the k govt is managing the issue is totally wrong.
now, talking about the sovereignity of the islands must be based not only on self determination, i guess they (the u.n., international community, uk, argentina, falklands, etc) have to consider if the islands are an integral part of argentina or not.
but the fact is that nothing will change.
hope the relation between the uk and the falklands and argentina improve one day,
maybe when cameron and kirchner complete their mandates
I remember the EU blaming Mercosur for not having a common proposal.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember all of Mercosur, Argentina included, being ready with their proposal before deadline.
I remember the EU admitting that they weren't ready for the proposals after all, stating they needed more time (was it the 17th of January?).
I remember having seen this movie before...
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