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Argentine government struggling to stay on its feet, says The Economist
The English business and finance weekly The Economist is no fan of Argentina's Cristina Fernandez but its articles have an expansive repercussion, and even when it does not add much to the current situation of Argentina, it does undoubtedly have a reference influence. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“ ...exemplified by striking police. Although police salaries are not meager, they are devoured by inflation, which private economists estimate to be 25% and rising. Having seen the police win pay rises by downing batons, other public-sector employees may do the same. Railway workers and teachers’ unions are demanding wage rises of around 30% in 2014.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the blackouts, the unusually warm weather was not the only factor. Electricity and gas tariffs have been artificially depressed since 2002, when Eduardo Duhalde, then president, forbade the country’s private energy providers from charging more. Improvements to Argentina’s decaying electricity grid have been put off. Energy firms rely on government subsidies, estimated at around 11 billion dollars in 2013, to cover their costs.'
That about says it - will even the loyal ”Axel Arg” demand a teacher's raise??
Energy costs up
Wages up
Infrastructure repair costs up
Government stability down
Oh, dear
Warm up the jet... !
@1
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Axel arg won't demand a teachers raise. He will do some “research” and then “lecture” it's dumbass and completely wrong findings.
Hehehehehe
Here's hoping for a terrible harvest.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 01, 2 & 3
Jan 13th, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's always good to read your posts; thanks for all of the support.
What was it that Tin Man said about the UK the other week? The lion that roars but no longer scares? I wonder what CFK's neighbours are thinking about her ever-increasing impotence? They must be well and truly circling their prey by now.
There're a few Argie flag wavers here at present. Quite a little group got on the flight from Rio Gellegos on Saturday. Well at least they can forget their troubles a little bit while they enjoy the Falklands.
More cruise ships in again over the weekend. It looks like being a bumper year.
I sense Kristina may only last a few more months an have another “ medical issue” and try to disappear with her stolen loot. Her minions are trying desperately to cover up the fact she is totally out of control and can't make a rational decision. I am sure some of this comes from the fact she spends 90% of her time trying to figure out how to cover her tracks.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0This however creates a huge political vacuum for someone to step up.
Maybe Macri can call for early elections.
Perhaps argieland could do with some assistance. The UK has a number of politicians we could send to “put things right”. Gordon Brown springs to mind. Basically incompetent but, in argieland's situation, he couldn't make matters worse..........much. Nick Clegg is another runner. A perfect replacement for Timerman. Lies unconvincingly every time he opens his mouth. Ed Milliband would be a perfect replacement for Lorenzino. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about either. Maria Miller could replace CFK. “Gabble, gabble, gabble”. Switch off because none of it makes any sense. Peter Mandelson could replace Arturo Puricelli. Why? Because both have obviously “fake” smiles. Besides I hate them both. So I'd rather see Mandelson in argieland than in Britain. What to do with Putrid Jelly? Doesn't Mujica require more manure for his chrysanthemums?
Jan 13th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0you dont have too much to do in the falklands, do you?
Jan 13th, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are here 24/7.
now i understand why the average british taxpayer hates the parasites (llanitos, kelpers, etc)
try to study something or to work.
work: 1. Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something.
2.
a. A job; employment: looking for work.
b. A trade, profession, or other means of livelihood.
Ohh Tangentman strikes again............
Jan 13th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tells us Paul? i am very interested, what is the unemployment rate of the Falkland Islands,compared to that of Argentina?!?
Please, i am dying to know.
Maybe you should follow your own advise, instead of trying to deflect the topic at hand.
There was another article in WSJ that talks about the Ks ruining the country and leaving it with nothing but decay.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like the whole world is talking about the immanent implosion
not just me anymore.
It is nice to be validated.
I want her out as soon as possible. As her desperation increases, she implements more destructive policies and only accelerates the problems the country is facing.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there's any consolation, the presence of her goon squad has diminished to some degree because she's starting to lose a key part of her audience, the poor.
10. I think you'll see a huge escalation in violent crime as the uneducated poor have no other alternatives.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vortex is going faster now as the end approaches
I suspect CFK has finally realised she is not immortal. She will be concentrating on keeping her and her son out of jail when she steps down.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 012. Oh they'll be lucky to end up in jail. I doubt they'll make it to court.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dictators always overstay their welcome
She is no different than the rest
This is interesting from someone living in Buenos Aires who posted two menus on Facebook that showed the prices of the same restaurant from Summer 2007 to Summer 2013.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In 6 years you can see exactly how crazy the inflation in Argentina has been – a roasted chicken went up a whopping 445%, a liter of beer went up 600%, and a soft drink increased 782%! That’s well over 40% per year!
Things look a bit more positive if you look at prices in dollars. That chicken in 2007 was U$S 7.01 and in 2013 was U$S 12. That’s only a 71.18% increase in 6 years. Unfortunately most people do not earn in dollars and no one here is seeing 50% per year increases in their salaries. The peso simply has less and less purchasing power.”
They then go on to add that the portion sizes have decreased too.
Rimmer (#8), don't expect anything sensible from Cedron. While his arguments are very passionate, he hasn't the faintest clue what he's talking about...
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 014. That's amazing! Their economy is so out of whack.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I checked the hotel I frequent in BA, their prices in U$ are down 42% since I last stayed there. So if their costs have gone up like your posting they must be losing money at an alarming rate. Like most of the non-aligned businesses are.
This year should be pivotal
I can't wait to see how it progresses
THE LADY HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN DEEP TROUBLE.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that the economist is not fun of c. f. k's government, could be perfectly shown in this kind of article, which is no more than the tipicall too partial analysis, made by hegemonical press.
It's interesting that all those ignorants who often criticise the level of inflation in arg., omit to mention that pay rases for workers have always been higuer than the figures of inflation, beside, they never criticise the abuse of powerful corporations, in an economy like our's which is mostly oligopolic and foreign, i have discussed about the causes of this problem in planty of opportunities.
It would be better if the economist made a deeper lecture of the structural problems of arg., instead of taking into account the lies of ex secretaries of energy, who are just lobbists, and who were the main responsable authorities of privatizing electrical sistem, when they were in office.
Despite the serious falencies of c. f. k's government, like the lack of policies for rails ways, or like the lack of political will in order to become legal the right to abortion, unfortunatelly thousands of women die every year because of illegal practices of it, or like some others, what i will always praise from c. f. k., is her bravery in order to confront with powerful corporations, and recover many of the recources that we had lost during the decades of neoliberalism. Kirchnerism broke with the pathetic myth which said that arg. couldn't be ruled with being submitted to the will of the most powerful countries of the world, and without implementing austerity plans, this is something that national and international economic power, and some reactionary sectors of our society, won't never forgive c. f. k., for all these reasons, the lady has always ben in deep trouble.
On the other hand, the economist omited to say also that despite all the structural problems that our economy still has, last year we had an economic expansion which was over 5%.
Axel you are so stupid it hurts, literally hurts to read your inane posts.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make $3300/11 or U$300/mo
and you are woefully over paid
Thank the gods my kids are taught by an idiot like you.
I feel sorry for the plight of the next generation of Rg if they are learning how to reason through you.
Yankee.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe with your elitist attitude you cannot see the fact that other may have differing opinions to you.
Axel managed to keep it on track and laid out his opinion without insulting anyone, so kudos to him.
99% of us here dislike the K's, but we shouldn't run to personal attacks every time someone posts.
@18
Jan 13th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry you are getting carried away, Your post ( I think should read ) “ Thank God my kids aren't taught by an idiot like you ”
@17
It is all very well the Arg Government taking back the resourses, but you then have to do something with them, like investing in the infrastructure and making a profit. Thus generating more investment, you can't just nationalise something and hope it works.
20 . Yes thanks for the corrections.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 019. Differing opinions are fine, multiple years of idiotic rantings are not.
Axel is one of the most brain dead posters on this board. No matter how often it is pointed out that his fantasies are no where near reality he still drones on and on.
These are not opinions, opinions are backed up with facts. These are inane and insane fantasies of a brainwashed moron.
@19 Klingon
Jan 13th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
I personally disagree with most of what Axel says and he has never answered my question as to which UN resolutions say there are “special cases” in decolonisation.
However he has never been abusive or insulting, towards me at least.
Someone should not be battered for simply expressing their opinion, however daft it may seem to others.
After all that’s what CFK does.
yankee I truly believe that axle thinks that he is intelligent and thought provoking.......and he's a Argentine teacher? No wonder they decent one's go to private school.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think he understands the impact of inflation combined with price controls on businesses or the effect on DFI with restricted profit redistributions. He is obviously the ignorant one here if he think giving 25% raises supercedes the excessive inflation in Argentina. BTW, if inflation is only 10 and pass out 25% every year, the average RG should be pissing in money.
@22
Jan 13th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Paul Cedron, nothing to add to the debate as such, just deflects and name calling.
@24 golfcronie
Jan 13th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He, and others like him such as marcos ect, let em have both barrels, kick em when down and keep kicking, take no prisoners, perfectly justified approach to them.
@21 yankeeboy
Completely un-called for and completely unnecessary.
KLINGON: I agree absolutly on your opinion, everybody should say what they think without insulting, in fact, insults are the main proof of the lack of solid arguments, that's why i decided not to answer anymore the comments of people who adress to me like YANKEE or CAPTAIN POPPY, because i lost a lot of time debating with then in the past, and i just recieved insults. What they showed with ther attitute, is that they are no more than reactionary and mediocre people. Most people in this forum don't think like me in political and ideological terms, but most them expressed their differences with my opinions respectfuly.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, when you say that the 99% of us here dislike the k's, which place do you mean exactly?, do you mean this forum, or in the country?.
GOLFOCRONIE: All the enterprices which were recovered by the state, like aerolineas, the pension sistem, the water service, ypf etc etc, work much better now, than when they were in private hands.
PUGOL-H: Sorry if i forgat to answer you a question you asked me. In relation to special cases in decolonization, i just said that the malvinas-falkland cause, has always been considered like a special case since 1965, in fact, i recommend you to read the statement by norma edwards before the u. n. of june 24th of 2010, who was a lawmaker from the islands, where she complained about the fact that this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committee. You can find the her statement, in the news archive of this website.
There is a fascinating story regarding Argentines and their love of dollar over at Bloomberg. Search 'Chew Marks on $4 Million Has U.S. Seeing Shaggy Dog Story'.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They so distrust the peso that they build dollars into the bricks in the walls of their houses. I believe this as I was chatting to an Argentinean chap in New York just before Christmas and he said as much. We were discussing the rising crime there and how worried he was about his family still living there. He explained that people hoard dollars which makes them targets for violent burglaries. His own brothers hoarded enough dollars in a hole under their sitting room floor to buy a house outright.
Anyway, it is an interesting story about getting dollars out of Argentina.
26 Axle
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“i recommend you to read the statement by norma edwards before the u. n. of june 24th of 2010, who was a lawmaker from the islands, where she complained about the fact that this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committee. You can find the her statement, in the news archive of this website.”
Axle,
“Considered LIKE a special case by the DECOLONISATION COMMITTEE”
- it does NOT state that it IS a “special case”.
She is expressing her frustration that the DECOLONISATION COMMITTEE does so, even though it is not officially designated as such by the UNGA or the SG. It is not within the powers of the Committee to be selective as to who has Self - Determination.
@11 I never doubted that crime would escalate. It's just that it's not as frequently committed under the La Campora banner. They appear to be more focused on money laundering these days as opposed to spray painting petty propaganda, and low level thuggery.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “vagos” are still high in number and no less obnoxious, but we are prepared to defend our home if necessary. When Cristina falls, they won't have the same protection that allowed them to get away with it for so long.
29 Optimus
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting post, Optimus.
Please tell us more, as the situation develops
What they showed with ther attitute, is that they are no more than reactionary and mediocre people.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah okay I back most of my posts up with FACTS...yeah FACTS.
I stick by my posts
He is a moron that thinks he is smart.
I should get paid to read that self indulgent delusional crap.
@26 axel arg
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The De-colonisation committee has repeatedly said the Falkland/Malvinas is a “special case” I agree.
However the C24 is not the UN, and only exists to carry out the decisions of the general assembly, decisions which it cannot change or ignore.
The UNGA has never said there are any “special cases”, it says all the territories have the right to self-determination and makes no exceptions. Something which the C24 simply does not have the authority to change.
Hence my question, “which UN resolutions”, as opposed to which C24 resolutions.
I hardly think I insult you axel. You need to read many of your own posts from an English speaking POV. You don't like the fact that I attack you on your lack of substance in your posts and your refer to other as “reactionary”, define that? You ARE naive that in thinking that wage increases covering inflation make inflation OKAY. Put out any opinion your want....however.....don't make your statement as the end of of the discussion if you want to be taken seriously. Also provide some details, that is something you've always lacked. Over and over you stated in the past.......I presented my facts yet I think the word eludes you. The classic example is when you demanded ....damn I can;t recall.....honesty in journalism or something to that effect. You ask of others what you yourself do not bring.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the article, why would they want to take about growth of 5% when that is NOT the topic of the article? The article is about the culmination of the asshole president's policies boiling to a head and her administration coming to an ugly end. Grow thicker skin.
32 Pugol H
Jan 13th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “Special Case”myth is perpetuated by Axel, despite others outlining the facts, just as you have done.
He just disregards it and returns later, saying he has “investigated” the case for four years, and repeats the same things, as though nothing was said.
I genuinely think that his strategy is to continue repeating and repeating 'The Big Lie' until nobody bothers refuting anything he says, and he hopes he sounds “reasonable” to those who don't know any better.
BTW if you look at some of the other threads Im not the only one calling Axel a moron.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told him last year at this time he'd be lucky to be making U$275 (im off by a few months) and he went on and on about his raises over inflation.
Well now he's making U$300 down from U$550 a couple years ago.
Now do you see why I call him retarded?
@34 Troy Tempest
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He’s not alone in that.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/149565/illegal-oil-drilling-in-malvinas-will-lead-to-administrative-sanctions-prison-sentences--filmus
“Regarding the Malvinas Islands’ inhabitants, the Kirchnerite official renewed the stance that the United Nations has recognized the Malvinas question as a territorial dispute and not a controversy that involves the observance of peoples’ right to self-determination,”
Complete and utter rubbish of course, but much easier to de-bunk than claims with at least some truth in them.
TROY TOMPEST and CAPTAIN POPPY: The case is presented every year before the decolonization committee, and it's posture in relation to this cause has always been very clear since 1965. On the other hand, it's very interesting to read the words of the president of the decolonization committee, expressed a few days before the referendum, where he explained the reasons why this cause is not a case of self determination, it's actualy a case of sovereignty, his words where published in this website on march 4th of 2013, search for it in the news archive.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't you ever wondered why if it soposes that self determination is perfectly applicable for this case, then why has this cause always been considered like special case, why even after the war, or after the result of the referendum, the posture of the u. n. hasn't changed in relation to this issue?. Haven't you wondered why self determination was applied for different colonial situations, but never for this cause?. Just hav a look to all u. n.'s rsolutions, and you''ll see that what i say is true.
CAPTAIN: I have never had any problem in discussing with people who don't think like me, in fact, it's more than obvious that most people here don't coincid with me in political and ideological terms, however most them, with just a few exceptions treated me respectfuly. If i called you reactionary, was because in many of the opportunities that you adressed to me, you insulted me, and i don't like wasting my time with people like you.
On the other hand, you say that my comments lack of evidences, however, in all of them i gave arguments to justify my analysis, perhaps you didn't want to understand them. Anyway, i'll just tell you that in relation to this report, if it refers to argentina's structural problems, it's not honest to omit that it had an economic expansion which was over 5% last year, because it's not an irrelevant detaill, don't you think?.
You and your ilk are the only ones that believes GDP grew 5% in Argentina last year.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone with a brain knows it is a lie.
@34/32, this “but the C24 says” is no different from a rogue middle manger saying that it's ok to pinch the secretary on the tushie and demand “favors” of her. 2008 made it very clear in a vote where NO NGST on that particular agenda was under a “territorial dispute” and people were asking clearly in the minutes “WTF is with Spain and Argentina pulling this ~here~?” Well it *was* clear since some of the delegates explicitly saw through the ploy and said it loud and clear as well as what the broader implications would be on any other dispute. The vote was likewise loud and clear. ALL NGSTs have the right to self-determination. and no cherry picking lines out of resolutions and dates from a chronology will change that.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the C24 wants to pretend that it's a “special” case so they can talk important and play regional alliances at the expense of their credibility and the UN charger and General Assembly, then fine. Just as when the middle manager finds himself the rightful object of a sexual harassment suit when he overplays his “opinion” over broader hardwired policy, so will the chair of the C24. Until then they can keep their racket going by playing one block against another on this so they can pretend to be doing something.
The C24 should be abolished,
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if it has to stay for a special reason,
then that should be Argentina,
it should be made an emergency special case,
and immediately have its independence reversed,
and handed back to Spain,
still,
it was fun whilst it lasted lol.
You're sensitive axel I have to assume you are a chica. Those my dear acquaintance are as much an insult as the likes of what you've called everyone that thinks differently from you. Perhaps you need a memory refresher to your posts of journalistic integrity calling all sorts of names. You're Argentine? Care to discuss face to face in Argentina when I arrive? I'll pay for the espresso and croissant at Cafe Tortoni's.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37
Jan 13th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it has anything to do with this article, but if you take comfort in the fact that the Decolonisation Committee are happy with the fact that The Falkland Islands are a sovereignty issue, then by definition, it has no place in the decolonisation committee...yes?
Also, the President is from Ecuador, completely biased in every possible way. The UK has battled with some pretty fearsome opponents over the years, do you seriously think we are about to capitulate to Kirchner and her cronies from a bunch of third world corrupt and backward economies.
Get real.
The world knows that the Falklands does not belong before the c24 no more the Puerto Rico does. There are no people displaced or ruled against their will. The committee is a joke under the most serious of circumstances and has outlived it's useful life, almost like the UN. I don't think many understand why the UN was formed.......and not for the big 5.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face it RG's, we all know you want the oil resources.......you can't even drill it from land you are too broke....how the hell do you think you can drill it from a platform on the ocean in the roaring 40s?
@42 and I love that he brings up the Edwards quote. The minutes are there for all to see and it is clear and has ALWAYS been clear that she is challenging the legitimacy of the C24 to treat the Islanders as special case. Only in the bent and incomponent mind of our favorite “thinking” malvanista can calling Bullhokey on something be an affirmation of said something. Oh! the size of the knot that his turbulent strings of thought must tie!
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jeeez, in #7 Paul Ignorant Cedron is blabbering again: ”now i understand why the average british taxpayer hates the parasites (llanitos, kelpers, etc)“
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us, ”Einstein”, with documentation.
1. How much money does the UK spend supporting the Falkland Islands?
2. What is the GDP per capita in
2.1 The Falkland Islands
2.2 Argentina
3. As asked by A.J.Rimmer in #8: what is the unemployment rate in
3.1 The Falkland Islands
3.2 Argentina
The Economist comes from a bloody rubbish english people country that cannot resolve their own problems: royal scandals, poverty and 9 trillon (usa dollar) debt!
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Economist controls Mercopress permitting bloggers to insult each other, for what?
Get lost ! ...“the economist” repeating the same crap observations over and over indicates poor judgment, typical of the bloody rubbish english people!
41
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Careful now Pops..the last time I invited a poster for a coffee, I was accused of threats and wanting to fight...
...and it was a choice of Starbucks....me paying too....I could have stretched to include a muffin....
Is Scotland on your itinerary Pops?
@ ron_57
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pobrecito! bebiste todas las 57 botellas de ron?
Now so drunk, he is sobbing into the empty jar.
bloody rubbish English
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you mean British, old chap,
still the envy of south America it seems .lol
Afraid not.....Argentina is a once or twice pilgrimage. London and Italy in the next year of so.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I invited many many face to face.......... but I yet to get an acceptance. It must be my charming persona....if they only saw my affectionate smile and grin when I come eye to eye.
@41 Pipi
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....Axel Arg ... a “chica”....
come on you know better....
“axel arg” .. used to post in Mercopress under the screen name of Simon68....
jijiji
By the way... Captain Pipi ...try to resolve your own country (usa) problems if you think you have brains...300,000 people without water in the back east is worst than not having electrical services...
...and keep Fatso (280 lbs) NJ Gov... in your basement!
and don't forget to borrow more money on January 15....to keep the federal goverment running!
jajaja
Daniel Filmus, Fatso Timerman's lapdog, has made an official statement that companies drilling for oil off the coast of the Falkland Islands “will not only face administrative consequences but also prison sentences”.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is about time for the British government to show some teeth.
So, your company is selling its products in Argentina?
Too bad, 'cause then you cannot do business in the UK.
Please close the door when you leave.
(@51 Axel has blasted Simon as disloyal. They are not the same person.)
Jan 13th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike Axel, Simon68 has a brain and is able to debate things sensibly without going off on tangents.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He can also post in very good English and doesn't cause headaches trying to understand what he has posted unlike dear, dear, axle.
I just hope that Simon68 and his extended family are still OK as we have not heard from him since the riots, and remember he was a Paramedic until his retirement. With his sense of public spirit I would not be surprised if he has gone back to it for the sake of his local people.
@37 axel arg
Jan 13th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This cause is not a case of self-determination, it's actually a case of sovereignty” – Something which he simply does not have the authority to decide!
“the posture of the u. n. hasn't changed in relation to this issue” – This much is correct, the UN position has always been self-determination applies to all the territories.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
This is the view of the Secretary General, much higher up the food chain than the chairman of the C24.
The question stands, when has the UN (not the C24) ever said there are any “special cases”.
@49 Briton
“bloody rubbish english people”, I seem to recall this was the favourite catch phrase of one US_susie, along with a pathological envy of the size of the Anglo penis.
Especially after she had been drinking the furniture polish.
Any nimrod that thinks axel is the same as simon68 is beyond clueless. Sounds like sussie wearing Ron's pants.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 055 Pugol H
Jan 13th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, hoping Simon68 and his family are well.
It's not hard to tell him apart from Axel and Ron-57/Sussie.
“Sussie” did indeed have an obsession with anal sex and is certainly no chica, no matter what he said. “Ron_57” is probably closer to That Troll's name than any of the “Sussie” variations.
Axle Arrgh went off on a tangent on one thread, talking about drinking wine and @admiring all the “good looking young men” at one of the Peronist sponsored, drunk fests and street events, if I remember correctly.
I believe he revealed that he was not a woman, but gay. He was a bit defensive about it too, but of course it does not matter.
I had actually forgotten about it until “Sussie” brought it up.
For some reason, Axel wanted us to know. (???)
At the same time, many of the Argy Trolls seem to be quite homophobic - Paul?? Pirat Hunter?? Stevie maybe???
get a job troy and stop playing the detective
Jan 13th, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, Paul, you whiny shit, get a life and stop playing the victim.
Jan 13th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) also has a recent article on the Argentinian economic situation.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303848104579310811794109126?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303848104579310811794109126.html
Seems the Economist magazine is not alone.
Neither is Argentina....they have Venezuela.....lololololol
Jan 14th, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I saw this article in the shops yesterday, I see you've not included the caption with Cristinita as a plucky little boxer facing up to two heavy set oafs. While she was not as beautiful as in real life (it was drawn by biased haters after all!) she still, I thought, looked sympathetic - and its perhaps telling of the Economist's mindset that they clearly wanted their readers to identify with the two thugs who wanted to bash up the woman! Out of interest, anyone else who's seen it, were the two guys anyone in particular? As for the article, same old same old, as Axel says they've been declaring the end to be nigh for many years now!
Jan 14th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0BK
Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her adversaries are obviously Truth and Karma.
CAPTAIN POPPY. CHRIS R. RON_57. TROY TOMPEST.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect people who miss simon 68, but fortunatelly i am not him, i'm a 32 years old man, and i live in buenos aires.
I have never had any problem in discussing with people who don't think like me, in fact, it's pretty obvious that most people in this forum don't agree on my ideologies, which is also respectable, but what i don't tolerate, are the usuall insults that i often receive from some people who adress to me when i post my political lectures, so, don't pretend me to send them flowers if they insult me.
Anyway, for being honest, not all people here are reactionary, in fact although most forists don't agree on my opinions, however most them expressed their differences with my lectures respectfully.
I can only tell you that as long as you don't underestimate me or insult me, i will always be diposed to answer all your questions, in relation to any issue. Beside, i'm disposed to do it in this forum, or at the tortoni coffee, as captain suggested in this comment, which is such a beatiful place, or in any other place where i can go.
PUGOL-H: I respect your opinion, but i really don't agree on what you think. The words of the president from the decolonization committee were very clear, beside, when i read many of the u. n.'s resolutions in relation to colonial situations, and i see that self dtermination was invoked for many cases, but never for the malvinas-falkland cause, then i have serious doubts about whether it can be applied for this case.
In relation to ban ki mon's words, i think they were very contradictory, because while it is true that he said that he thinks that the u. k. is not violating relevant laws, however when he was asked about this conflict, he said that he hopes that both countries dialogue in order to find a solution, but he didn't include the government from the islands in that dialoge, beside he didn't say a word about self determination for the islanders.
@64; Answer the question Axel : How can your government and you claim to be in compliance with 2065 where the interests of the islanders MUST be taken into account when you refuse to meet with the Islanders. WHO had the islanders at the ready in February as per 2065. WHO ran form those meetings. AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO EFFECTIVELY PROTEST THAT TO YOUR GOVERNMENT. It is YOU who are delaying the inevitable endgame of discussions with the UK because you know the world will not give a free people to authorizations like you who won't even recognize their most basic human right.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't repeat your usual twaddle or continue your cherry picking and context dropping. We have the facts, we can see how for example you deliberately lied about the Edwards “affirming” your argument when she was protesting the C24's noncompliance with the 2008 vote and Charter. Just tell us what YOU are doing hold your government accountable for vacating 2065 when Timerman ran from meeting with the very people whose interests he is supposed were there, and willing to meet with him.... Your evasions are no better than your dishonest government. How are the UK to take you seriously when your people run from meetings that YOU arrange. How is the ICJ, the only body who can hear this case take you seriously when you run from. How can any of us take Argentina seriously when all it does is posture everywhere but where it counts and won't even look the people it wants to conquer in the eye. And most impoentately do tell us how the civilized world in 2014 will give away a free people to thugs like you who, once again, don't even have the guts to look them in the eye when the UN explicitly tells you to do that each and every time.
Put up and or shut up, Axel. Film it and post it on youtube. Prove to us that your life is not a lie. Prove to us that you are as reaonsble as you
“Argentine government struggling to stay on its feet, says The Economist”
Jan 14th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok... open speculation in the world press that CFK has lost control and her government is facing imminent collapse !
Just a matter of time now, and everyone is watching for weakness as the Peronist regime implodes.
Who will fill the vacuum?
Stevie must be pleased. He is getting his wish - Argentina descending into anarchy.
55 Pugol-H
Jan 14th, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree..
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GFACE: I have nothing to prove you or anybody else in this forum, because you all mean nothing for me, i don't care whether you or any other forist agree or not on my lectures, i just say what i think in relation to politic issus, because i love talking about politic.
Jan 16th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always said that our government should dialogue with the lawmakers from the islands, however, don't forget that they have always manifested that they are diposed to talk about different issues with the authorities from the mainland, but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, then it's evident that they are not interested in having any dialogue with our government, actualy what they want is the submission of our country.
In relation edwards's words, just have a look to her statement, and you'll see how she complained about the fact that this cause has always been considered like a special case, the date is june 24th of 2010, search it in the news archive.
Respecting the idea of an arbitration, i mentioned in different opportunities about the proposals manifested by both countries in different moments, but i also said that if after 1947 none of the two nations proposed again to take the cause to the court, is because perhaps both aren't sure of wining the case, if it's analized at the court.
On the othe hand, about self dtermination, read the words of the president from the decolonization committee, where he explained the reasons why it's not applicable for this case, accept ir or not, the case is discussed every year before that place, beside, like it or not, nothing has changed in relation to the posture of that institution for this case. The date of the article i recommend you is march 4th of 2013.
TROY TOMPEST: The strengh of arguments and objetive facts, will always prevaill over the misserable wishes of cretins like you. Accept it or not, despite all the serious and structural probelms of our economy, last year we had an economic expansion which was over 5,4%.
FROM THE MAIN PAGE OF THE C24
Jan 17th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).
The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing” Territories.
If the goal of the C24 is to grant INDEPENDENCE of colonized peoples, they then do they not recognize their right to self determination? If they claim is a sovereignty issue, why is the Falklands on the C24 agenda?
Has the C24 heard statement of the Islanders?
Has C24 dispatched missions to the Falklands?
Has anyone from the Falklands seen a seminar in the Falklands sponsored by the C24?
The c24 is as organized and hypocritical as the some of the SA countries they originate from. It would seem that any logical and prudent minded person would see that C24 serves no purpose other than to give the members something do do, a feeling of self worth in the international community.
So I ask......is C24's goal to bring independence to the Falklands of turn it over to Argentina (which makes it an objective outside of the C24)?
DISBAND IT!
CAPTAIN.
Jan 17th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote an answer for and other peopple in my comment 64.
The case of the malvinas-falkland is analized every year before the decolonization committee, our chancellour of foreign affairs and some lawmakers from the islands express their views and claims at that institution, beside, it has always recommended both countries to start negotiations in order to find a peaceful solution for this conflict. If you have look to the u. n.'s resolutions, you'll see that self dtermination was applied to different colonial situations but it has never been invoked for this case.
In my comment 68, i made a deeper lecture about the behaviour of the three parts of the conflict.
Perhaps the Falkland Islanders can club together and buy Argentina next week. Cristina can sell it as some kind of Joint sovereignty of the a Republic with Britain.
Jan 17th, 2014 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70
Jan 17th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, every year the c24 committee meets and reports the same findings regarding the FALKLANDS and until they say something different it will remain the Status Quo. Why do they not say we have had enough ( they wont because it is a gravy train for these guys ) and ask Argentina if they think they have a case for soveignty over the FALKLANDS to take their case to the higher authority. The ICJ then we can all sit back and watch the fun.
70 Axle
Jan 17th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ In my comment 68, i made a deeper lecture about the behaviour of the three parts of the conflict”
Perhaps thst is the problem Axel, you “lectured”, as opposed to posting a hypothesis and backing it up with links and tangible examples.
In other words, you state things as fact, without any evidence besides hearsay, to back it up.
As an “Academic”, surely you must know that you have not proven your case. You just repeat hyperbole.
what I don't understand is why the Argies who are adamant in their defence of the idea that the FI should be theirs, in the same breath belittle the islands and their happy citizens....something's seriously wrong, and totally incoherent.
Jan 17th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So axel, you essentially agree that is is not a colonialism issue correct? Afterall, they are no local people who are not governing themselves....correct?
Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do realize that Argentina would never win based on proximity.....that shit would open a can of worms the world is not prepared to handle. It would set an awful precedent.
Canada would claim Greenland.
China forJapan.
USA for Cuba........(though that would be a stretch).
And so on and so on.
The Falklands will never capitulate to economic pressures from an economic epileptic like Argentina. C24 is insignificant and cannot, as usual, influence the UNGA and therefore is wasting money.......( and I have yet to see that they have traveled to the islands). Argentina has but two options to deal with a sovereignty issue:
1-Take it to the ICJ
2-Take it but force
Most countries that have even the slightest amount of pride would not allow “their” land to be taken without consequences. You claim it is Argentina's yet for almost 200 years you've been ignored, why?
Why you not taken it to the ICJ? Afraid of a finite outcome?
Kirchner, nor the leadership of Argentina does not want the islands, they want the cause because their perception is that it gains in political capital. Those days are over.
TROY TOMPEST.
Jan 18th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always given evidences for all my lectures, in fact, i have recommended different articles which support what i say, in many opportunities, beside, i have dated bibliographies that i often use for my investigations, in fact, in my comment 68 i recommended an article.
GOLFOCRONIE and CAPTAIN POPPY.
I have always said that the only one way to finish with this humbled situation for arg., is to take the case to an arbitration. If you investigated as much as i did, instead of making your usuall too partial lectures, you would know that in 1884 and 1888 arg. suggested taking the case to an arbitration, but the u. k. rejected that idea. In 1948, britain manifested arg. that it would be disposed to discuss about the cases of the dependencies from the islands (south georgia and sandwich) before the court, however it didn't include the malvinas-falklands in that proposal.
After that year, none of the two nations proposed again the idea of taking the case to an arbitration. I have always thought also that maybe this behaviour by both nations shows that perhaps both aren't sure of wining the case, if it's analized by the court. These objetive facts should be taken into account by you too, instead of blaming arg. only.
If you were to understand Britain's position rather than your self serving lectern speeches filled with selective truths, you would understand that GB has nothing to arbitrate and they would talk if the actual people in question, the Falklander's were included in the talks...........Kirchner refused.....Argentina's loss. There is no alternative left for Argentina if it is a real desirable claim rather then a political mantra for votes.
Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to discuss yesterday.......they both signed a friendship treaty in 1840 and Argentina did not bring up their claim.
Put it to bed or take it to court............Argentina will get NOTHING but laughs.
76 Axle
Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ...statement from the Headbof the C24 Decolonisation Committee”
Axle,
You've only repeated a statement by an official that has no authority to make it, but is it is contradicted in the UN Charter and by the SG of the UN.
Neither has he investigated the case in the way he is supposed to. Finally, he is not following the mandate of his office, to “decolonize” territories and lead them to Independence, as opposed to handing them over to be subjugated by a foreign power, against their will.
This man, and his committee have been discredited several times on this and other fora, even refuted on the very next post, #69.
And yet... YOU cite the same statement over and over again, without any argument to prove their veracity, or 3rd party analysis to confirm facts.
“Lecture” all you want, Axle. You make groundless statements with nothing convincing to back them up - still.
Troy that is the best point yet on what the C24 is attempting to do, turn them over to be subjucated by Argentina.
Jan 19th, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0TROY TOMPEST and CAPTAIN POPPY.
Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many of you usuallly accuse us of believing a false history since we are children, with the purpose of making us believe that arg. has sovereign rights over the islands, however, neather you, nor most of those people who often accuse us of being indoctrinated never criticise the too partial arguments repeated by your empires.
As far as i'm concerned, i don't invalid the rights of the u. k. over the islands, because according to my investigations, although the u. k. deprived our country of exercising it's rights over the islands in 1833, it had also legitimate rights over that territory, but accept it or not, the facts that involve this conflict are much more complicated than your usuall partial lectures, in fact, i have explained them in planty of opportunities here, for all these reasons, i have always said that the case has strong and weak aspects for both countries. On the other hand, when i recommend articles which support what i say, i am giving evidences to explain my lectures, beyond you agree or not on my opinions.
While it is true that arg. doesn't need the u. k.'s licence in order to send the cause to the i. c. j., it's also true that after 1948 none of the two nations proposed again to take the case to an arbitration. If it soposes that you are such smart people, i think you should take into account this objetive fact too.
Respecting the u. n., even when ban ki mon was asked about this case, while it is true that he said that he didn't believe that the u. k. was violating relevant laws, it's also true that he said that he expected that both countries dialogue in order to find a solution for this conflict, but he didn't include the islanders in that dialogue, beside, he didn't say a word about the application of self dtermination for this case. If you think that presidnt from the d. c. is has no authority, it's your problem, your partial lectures don't change anything of such a complicated cause like this one.
Here's a little feedback Axel...........when you make a post directed to specific individuals, don't refer to what others say, in this case.....your post is directed to Troy and myself and your reference to what others post. That's like me posting to you and quoting things that titti boitobi and stevie the commie says.
Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you understand what I am saying? It's a very incomplete and inconsistent post.
And
No you have not laid out your reason why they are Argentina's, lay them out in one complete post........consistently.
CAPTAIN POPPY.
Jan 20th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I accept your critic.
The reasons why i say that islands are argentine, are the following.
Discovery and papal bulls don't have much relevancy for public international right, due to discovery just gives a precarious tittle which must be improved with a permanent occupation.
The u. k. just occupied port egmont since 1766 untill 1774 (1). However, since it left the territory and untill 1833, there were sporadic settlements of british and american sailors in the islands (2). Anyway, those settlements don't have much relevancy for public international right, due to they weren't made in the name of the state (3).
Beyond these facts, i think that the u. k. had legtimate rights over the islands, because of a secret article included in the nootka sound convention (4).
In the case of the u. p. it's rights were derived from the sucession of states (5). Due to unless the soledad island (east falkland) had been submitted to the jurisdiction of the viceroalty, then, it had legitimate rights in order to occupy that island.
In my opinion, if both countries had rights to occupy the islands, the u. k. should have negotiated a peaceful solution with our country, instead of using it's superiority in order to force our authorities to leave the archipelago.
On the other hand, while it is true that our claim had long interruptions, it's also true that we were not in conditions for claiming the u. k. for our rights, don't forget that arg. had a huge economic dependence with britain for more than 100 years since XIX century.
Beside, despite that weak aspect of our claim, the u. k. tried to negotiate with arg. in 1968, 1974 and 1980. These facts and more, show that the case has strong and weak aspects for both countries.
Bibliographies: (1)-(3)-(5)Malvinas, georgias, sandwhich del sur. Secretaria Parlamentaria. Dirección de publicaciones. 1992-93-94. Pages: 29-37, and 41-49.
(2)-(4) www.falklandshistory.org.
@ 82 axel arg
Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are of course two INSURMOUNTABLE problems for your country to overcome before it can claim the Falklands:
1) “The Perfect Peace” of the 19th century that your predecessors signed without coercion renounced all claims to the Islands;
2) Your country waged war on the Falklands, et al in 1982 and got its arse handed to it on a plate thus destroying ANY AND ALL previous goodwill on negotiations entered into by the then British Government.
And that of course is not addressing the UN enforced mandate of deciding their own future, without bullying or destroying fish stocks or imprisoning oil workers or any of the other abject nonsense that your country pursues because it knows it does not have a chance at the ICJ.
Answer this honestly if you dare. Which system would you like to live under: a genuinely free and open society with a good community spirit and a vibrant economy OR the epitome of a failed society, full of thugs, thieves at every level including the President, the destruction of a free press, an economy running out of control to its predestined train wreck under the ‘K’s and of course taking over the judiciary. And that is without the threats that your country makes on a regular, if futile, monotony.
So which is it Axle: truth and freedom or lies and fiction, please tell me which?
CHRIS R.
Jan 21st, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For being honest. i'm not surprised for the ignorant and stigmatizing view that you have about argentina, it's actualy no more than the typical reactionary opinion of imperialist nations, which don't tolerate the fact that despite the serious structural problems that many of our countries still have, however we aren't nobody's backyard anymore.
Respecting self determination, and the idea of taking the case to an arbitration, i recommend you to read my comments 64, 76 and 80, where i reffer to both issues.
I'm not a defender of c. f. k's moral integrity or any other functionary's, if any of them commited a delit, they must be judged and sentences, actualy what i defend are all the achievements that we could get in the last ten years, because they must continue beyond which candidat wins in 2015.
On the other hand, don't be so hypocrite, because you know perfectly that your u. k. isn't a paradise either, actualy none nation in the world lacks of serious problematics.
If in this country there wouldn't be any freedom of press, then how do you think that we could know about the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's government, how do you think that we can know about the usuall mediatic operations made by our hegemonical press which aims to erode c. f. k's administration.
It's notable and pathetic that most you, who defend free market economy, reffer to a soposed destruction of free press, when actualy our new broadacast law aims to dismantle the huge oligopolic concentration that we have in the country. Beside, many of you emphasize in the influence of official advertising, which represents no more than the 10% of the whole advertisings, while it is true that the government is accused of making an unequal distribution of it, it's also true that it's evident fredom of press don't depend mostly on it.
In relation to histoy, i have been very clear in my comment 82, in refference to the strong and weak that both nations have.
Some blogger needs to remember that this web page is to offend south americans which is a typical behavior of the bloody rubbish britons!
Jan 21st, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Economist and Mercopress is the same sh*t web page hole.
The only one that is interested in collecting these comments is the usa nsa for the usa president Barry Soetoro aka Barack H.Obama to make him feel superior. Nothing else.
@ 84 axel arg
Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please address yourself to my question:
“So which is it Axle: truth and freedom or lies and fiction, please tell me which?”
You are correct that no nation on Earth is without problems. It’s just that in comparing them you do so from a belief that we are all on the same plane. We are not. Argentina on any metric you care to pick is nowhere near any European or North American standard. That is why the actions of TMBOA seem acceptable to you: you have no real knowledge of anything else. If you REALLY want to continue with this “Plan” beyond the next election then you are doomed, doomed I tell you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM
Axel none of your premises are strong enough to withstand judicial scrutiny which is why Argentina has not brought the case to the ICJ. They can do that without needing the UK to agree to it and it would be the simplest, less costly solution.
Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the fact that the UK did at several times consider negotiations......so what! That means absolutely nothing. They did other to talk IF...and only if the islanders were included in the talks but Argentina refused....why is that?
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