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Less incursions into Gibraltar waters by Spanish vessels: “a slight change of attitude”

Tuesday, January 21st 2014 - 15:38 UTC
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A drop in the number of incursions by Spanish state vessels into British Gibraltar territorial waters could signal “a slight change in attitude” in Madrid, a British Government minister said on Monday. The observation was made during a question and answer session in the House of Lords in which there was evident cross-party support for Gibraltar in the face of pressure from Spain, reports Gibraltar's Chronicle. Read full article


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  • A_Voice

    “The good news is that there has been a welcome reduction since December of last year and therefore this may mean that there is a slight change in attitude,” she said.

    Nothing to do with being winter?
    “D'ya fancy a little incursion in Gibraltar's waters...Nah it's a bit nippy, put the kettle on instead....we'll wait till Spring”...

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Quel buffooneriee.
    Hey, all the pesky wildlife has left, and that pesky fire mountain thing has stopped rumbling.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nightingale

    Is it cos the spanards had to get back their real jobs of clearing table and serving drinks :)

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Nothing to do with the fact that Catalonia has formally requested a referendum and Madrid don't want to fastest growing and most influencial economy in Europe to come out in full support of them.

    Think politics :-)

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    fastest growing? UK - yup
    most influential - UK - narp... that's germany

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    For now :-)

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    You cannot trust a word that comes out of Warsi's mouth.

    In fact she should “work” for the Spaniards they would be a matching pair.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Oh? Didn't Spain's 509 incursions last year get them what they wanted?

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    fastest growing and still with 13 million poor?

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Less incursions into Gibraltar waters by Spanish vessels

    mind you, since XMAS their have been bigger ships there,
    a just this week a sub,
    the Spanish never come out when the big ships are in town,

    that's nothing new with bullies, is it.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    The Spanish have a functioning aircraft carrier.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Very true,

    Its small, but counts as one,

    Soon we will have 2, ,
    But this still does not excuse the illegal intrusions..

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 11 No Vestige of a brain
    “The Spanish have a functioning aircraft carrier.”

    Yes, they do, BUT: isn’t it “manned” by Spaniards? Yes, that is an oxymoron, you moron.

    You know them don’t you: lying, lazy, cowardly bastards who can only take on Gibraltar with their laughable Guarda Civil, who are neither guards but thugs and anything but civil.

    But you knew that anyway, didn’t you.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    all these imbeciles keyboard warriors would shit their pants with only seeing an air rifle.
    yet, they fill their mouth talking about their mighty navy (lol) and stuff .

    4th class plebs are paying with their taxes what is a great business for politicians and entrepreneurs.

    no doubts the little swampy island has problems with 1/2 world, but most important they also have a huge problem with 13 million starving brits.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

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    Jan 21st, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

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    Jan 21st, 2014 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Ah I see, Spain have the bigger ship so they are bullies.
    But soon GB will have a bigger ship(s) but won't be bullies.

    ....even if they have to travel a few hundred miles to not be a bully.

    And how the hell did Spain even end up on Gibraltars coast ?

    Chris - Its rude to call people names over the internet. You should be more like me, humble and yet above it all, gracious yet awesome.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    You forgot “gullible”.

    Ans surely you're not giving us the line that proximity confers sovereignity, and populations don't count? Follow that logic and you end up with something like the former British Empire (or indeed anybody else's). But I thought you disapproved of that kind of thing?

    Sometimes it's hard to keep up around here, especially now that the more active arjihadis have largely abandoned reason in favour of bile.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Spain's aircraft carrier is tiny, why would the UK need an aircraft carrier with respect to Gibraltar, we have our own airport there and all our aircraft could reach there from the UK anyway. ?

    But you know this and you also know that HMS Queen Elizabeth will be launched this year and sent for kitting out.

    Also, with the state of your own armed forces, I think you should be keeping your mouth shut!

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 17 No Vestige of a brain
    “Chris - Its rude to call people names over the internet.”

    How so when I am writing the truth?

    There is nothing subjective in my post.

    BTW you final sentence does show you have a bloated ego, or a sense of humour.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Sir James Dutton, the Governor, is pictured above visiting HMS Tireless yesterday. The submarine’s presence in Gibraltar drew flack in the Spanish media.

    Meanwhile at the UN Headquarters
    It seems there are now two crying babies in prams out side,

    This is getting pathetic and childish say a source
    Giggle giggle
    In an angry statement, the minority Communist Party in Andalucia lashed out at the Popular Party and the PSOE for criticising nuclear submarine visits to Gibraltar while turning a blind eye to NATO bases in Rota and Moron.

    if you don't like us, that's you prerogative,
    but don't tell crap against the truth.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    18 - hans asks question, answers it for me, argues against the imaginary me. lol.

    Chris can't tolerate that I rightfully consider myself, nae, objectively am a genius and blessing to the people of this earth.

    visitor numbers were down by 24% and 14% compared to the same months in 2013.*

    The visitor total for August was the lowest for that month in nearly a decade.

    OOF - Picardo is going to get reefed out of his job.

    *And this when Spain is at its lowest economically in decades. Just wait til that subsides.
    Send a ship, hell send twenty, see if it lessens the border queue by 1 second.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Hmmm here's an article Vestige seemed to miss:

    I quote “initial surveys suggested that businesses in La Linea have seen a decline of 30% as a direct result of border issues”

    Here's another good one:

    For the second consecutive year the population of Campo de Gibraltar has shrunk. Another 5,800 people pissed off elsewhere or let's face it, with “39,259 people registered as unemployed in the Campo”, they just couldn't afford to have kids.

    That 15% of the entire population. Based on a participation rate of 60%, fully one quarter of the working population can't find work.

    And the Spanish government is making it HARDER for those that actually DO work.

    Rajoy must rank as one of the dumbest PM ever. He certainly looks the part.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    You mean there's a real you? Heavens to Betsy, things are worse than I thought.

    Your evident Schadenfreude probably does you credit in the circles you move in, but
    in the real world you don't butter your parsnips by getting up people's noses. This rather obvious lesson seems to be lost on certain latin communities, unless it's simply that histrionic posturing and getting up noses is an end in itself.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    They are all heading to the UK looking for jobs as waiters.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “Rajoy must rank as one of the dumbest PM ever. He certainly looks the part.”

    mmm. no.
    2nd perhaps
    the 1st place is for camoron

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 26 a cold prune

    Regrettably, even I must agree with your comment.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Send a ship, hell send twenty; see if it lessens the border queue by 1 second

    It won’t,
    Size is irrelevant,
    Its what you do with it, that is important, [you should have known that ] lol
    Only Spain can stop the bullying,
    But the Gibraltarians, could close the gate.


    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    23 - thanks for the article Anglo. I like the following paragraph;

    “If research was to be done on the family names from both cities, we would see that many share the same name” Morillas said. He added that it is because of this fact that relations should be good between the two neighborly towns as “we have the same blood running through our veins”.

    I wonder would that constitute a 'Latin community' in Hans' book.
    A Spanish speaking community with Spanish names whose lives are dictated by Spanish politics.

    I'd doubt the 'initial figures' from a lobby/union. But yes LaLinea is suffering. World economic crisis, euro crisis, what can you do.
    LaLinea will survive and whats more ... will grow bigger, cause its got plenty of space unlike unfortunate Gibraltar....and doesn't depend on a workforce from outside.

    And when Andalucia is doing much better for itself, where will Gibs workers come from, where will they live (I hear Gib property is expensive), and will they be willing to pay 50 euro border charge each and every work day.

    Meine freude nicht ist in any way schauden.
    Und Spain nicht habst any dire need for parsnips.

    Oh heavens forbid Gib closes its gate.

    Briton I really do see from what you say that size isn't important but Im sure you'll find it plainly obvious in about two or three or four or five seconds from around about now that without any trace or shadow of a doubt that the truth is that my innuendo is bigger than yours.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Well now that we have clearly proven that Vestige canny speak German..... to the rest.

    I am glad that you agree that the Llanitos are some implanted English population but ethnically and culturally also part of Southern Spain. So no one can deny they have a right I live there. I'm not racist so this concept sits fine with me.

    As for Spain's economic problems, I am not blaming them all on Gibraltar but they does not mean these pathetic actions by Madrid are not affecting their own citizens quite heavily.

    The simple fact is that Spain can't close the border with Gibraltar. However Gibraltar can do what it wishes with regards to visas and work rights of others from outside the EU without the restrictions of Schengen.

    Spain's goal is to recover Gibraltar - it isn't happening.
    Gibraltar's goal is to survive and be British - it is happening.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    Speaking as a mongrel, I don't think blood determines anything much, less even than geographical proximity. When I colour in the world map in my colouring book, I'm quite happy if bits of it look spotty.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Or maybe thats what I want you to think.
    Oy vey ! with the kvetching, yessh. its giving me a pain in the kvel.

    ooohh now I think you'll find Spain CAN close the border....IF we, they, so wish to at a price. Who can stop that happening - nobody.

    Gibraltar is all out of space, whats there is occupied by English absentees and pensioners.
    Dependent on LaLinea's workers.

    Where will all the baby Gibraltarians - the Giblets, live in 10, 15 years.
    Gibraltar is too expensive. But LaLinea looks good. Of course there will be that cursed 50 euro checkpoint by then.

    Gibraltars goal is to be a proper country making decisions for itself
    - Fear of Spanish reprisals prevents this. (go propose a 2nd reef)
    Gibraltars goal is freedom of movement for its citizens.
    - Spanish whim dictates this.
    Gibraltars goal is to grow and for its citizens to live in Gibraltar.
    - LaLinea will soon be full of inconvenienced and frustrated Gibraltarian family members, ready to share sovereignty.
    Whats a home country if you can't live in it.

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    @ Vestige,Still coming across as a bitter twisted pissed up jock mate, bet your the image of Nicola Sturgeon who just as the kind of face you'd love to slap.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    hoots mon, ahm a jock nooo.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino


    You're rambling.

    Spain can NOT close the Gibraltan border. It is illegal to do so. Don't blame me, blame the EU.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    Exactly. All they can do is jerk people around, many of them their own, on a spleen venting exercise based on a pretext of smuggling which is obvious bullshit to anybody who actually looks into it.

    Encouraging, though, that the European Commission has politely invited them to clean their act up, and will check again in a few months time to see if they've actually done so.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Anglo, Spain CAN close the border when they want for as long as they please. Spain could decide that tomorrow and nobody could stop them.

    I think Spain might turn down that invitation Hans.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    you talk abt what Spain can do,
    why then has Spain not done it,

    all she does is within her territory,
    nothing more , nothing less,

    anything else would cause her mates in the EU to get upset.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Why not just ignore pond life like Stevie, paulcedron, Vestige, the Tinker, and Brasileiro? I do.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    I see the puppet masters are loosing the plot they are forgetting which puppets they are controlling.

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    good article:
    ”Such colonies claim to be “more British than the British”, except that they pay no UK tax and act as tax havens for funds from Britain. Gibraltar has made a particular specialism of internet gambling. Colonies claim allegiance to the crown, but not to its exchequer, or its financial police. They are Churchillian theme parks of red pillar boxes, fish and chips and warm beer. But they want the smooth without the rough - See more at:

    Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Do some more research. Your wishes aren't facts.

    Make a point.

    Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Get a dictionary. Look up the word 'can'. Facts are facts.

    Are you going to stop Spain if it physically blocks the road out of Gibraltar.

    Thats right.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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