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Malvinas: Timerman happy because region summit will state that the Islands are Argentine
Argentina is looking forward to the coming Celac summit because there will be an overwhelming acknowledgement that the Malvinas Islands are Argentine and the need for bilateral negotiations, as well as a unanimous rejection of the US blockade on Cuba, said Foreign minister Hector Timerman. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe expensive british circus for 2.500 british who want to be british but not to live in the united kingdom. Very rational
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's sounding like a communist now.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0A champagne communist that is.
Idiot !
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 01 eliasdossantos
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're completely missing the point.
It's not that we want to be British; it's that we don't want to be part of Argentina.
Most people here see themselves as Falkland Islanders before British. The only way we can get to stay Falkland Islanders is by being a British OT.
Not allowing a small population to be subjugated by a hostile foreign power is rational in the civilised world.
Malvinas: Timerman happy because region summit will state that the Islands are Argentine
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the Americas belong to Argentina,
The world belongs to Argentina,
The moon belongs to Argentina,
The universe belongs to Argentina.
The galaxy belongs to Argentina,
The whole of fxcking time belongs to Argentina,
Who says so,
Why
Stupid fools in Argentina,
Why don’t you just grow up,
And stop acting like bloody children....
Timmerman says“ I mean a more fair society”, What could be fairer than saying, “ F**K off Argentina”, works for me.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh jeez, they must bore the pants off everyone. Do they not realise that the Falkland Islands just aren't at the top of everyone else's agendas. I'm sure Uruguay might be a little more concerned about their 50 million in frozen imports in Argentina.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They just look sad and pathetic, you can almost hear the others sniggering behind their backs.
Hypercrits.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These are organizations that instead of being created to help countries develop, they continue with policies that impede countries development and keeps them economically colonized” insisted the Argentine official
This from a country,
That openly tries stops the growth and development of the Falklands.
Then wants the Americas to open its markets to Argentina..lol.
Shame for timmidman that nobody of significance cares what he or celac thinks.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If he wants to do something significant take it to the ICJ.
odd how Argentina dont do that considering how strong their claim supposedly is.
He might want to adjust his tone, whilst they are involved in crucial talks with the Paris Club, the UK, Canada and Oz might be inclined to tell the to poke it whilst they are aggressively bullying a fellow Commonwealth member.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just knocked next door to tell my neighbours that Buckingham Palace is actually theirs. They were so happy.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I have to get back to enforcing the law I introduced from the comfort of my settee which forbids Argentines from living and working in Argentina. Massive prison sentences and fines are on the way for these people, along with my letters which are in the post.
thats 2500 British citizens who will soon have oil just flowing out there ears reaping all the benefits that come with it :) and there is not a thing the want to be Argentine overlords can to about it. it must be so frustrating being an Argentina Citizen seeing one of there neighbouring country's doing so well per capita and looking around there own country seen rampant inflation and failing being a a modem civilized country. Argentina a country near 3-4 times the size of the UK doing so poorly internationally complaining about a small group of islands miles from there shore.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up Argentina.
Wait don't all the regional summits in South America spout this nonsense on a regular basis?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So how can this be considered news?
Why is Timerman happy? None of the so-called support from CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR has EVER put Argentina any closer to sovereignty.
Or is is happy because he thinks this routine 'annual' announcement will distract the Argentine population from the fact that inflation is rising, the Peso is falling, the BCRA reserves are plummeting, there is no power and that their President is extremely conspicious by her ABSENCE?
Exactly LEPR,
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it will show the world that Latin American and Caribbean countries can work together, it's something historic that had never happened before”
as we said at last year's meeting and the one before that....
Timerman who then blasted the World Trade Organization, WTO, which has done so much damage to countries such as Argentina, other American nations, Africa, Asia and obviously we must include the IMF policies”.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two organisations that don't believe that the Argentinian INDEC statistics, so they must be evil.
Argentina is quite happy to use the evil WTO for it's own purposes, it just recently filed a case against the EU over bio-diesel duties.
“Little things please a lot” Don't they have other much more important things to worry about? Que boludo!
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He still doesn't get it.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He wants discussions. Try the Islanders.
“We have decreed that the islands are Argentinian-we have no proof but we want them”. “ We demand that you give them to us. I have many sycophantic countries who will say this also”.
The real crux is that I will lose face if you don't give them to me.
Most non-South American nations call for talks, rather than an actual support of the Argentine claim. Simple solution: if any Commonwealth nations in the region go against the wishes of the Falklanders, boot them out the Commonwealth.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like proper English democracy, Boovis.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are free to think what you want as long as you say what I think...
This article partially highlights the hypocrisy of Argentina, and its claim over the Falklands.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For so long, Argentina claims it only wants the resumption of negotiations, and nothing more. Even declaring that its own Constitution (stating the full transfer of sovereignty to Argentina is the objective) is not its end game. They merely want to sit down and talk, how unreasonable is that they ask. If that is the case, why is Timmerman happy at CELAC declaring the Falklands Argentine? That is their end game. Their declarations of 'peaceful negotiations' is a guise for their real intention - the colonisation of the Falkland Islands and its people.
Secondly, how can Argentina mention its attitude of the Falklands and its people, and then discuss “human development, economic equality, political rights, I mean a more fair society” in the same breath? Timmerman, Argentina and the Argentine people should really hang their head in shame.
Honestly, how can you talk about equality and human rights, and then say... the people of the Falklands have no human rights (because their wishes contradict our own ambitions). Ludicrous.
Hector Timerman, what is it exactly that you do?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many countries, summits, conferences, organisations have you arm twisted into signing something regarding the mythical Malvinas, for absolutely nothing to come of it? I mean nothing whatsoever. You have spent years repeatedly doing the same thing, over and over again and you achieve nothing. Are you not embarrassed ? Do you not have any self-respect ? Why do you willingly make people laugh at you?
Is there a name for your illness?
I really am quite worried about you.
Celac, headed by Castro. Big area, big population, small minded, no influence. Just another talking shop and way to avoid the issues that affect our planet.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A communique from CELEC states“ CELEC agrees with Argentina regarding the sovereignty of the FALKLANDS” and a communique from the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY( FALKLANDS ) merely said “ BOLLOCKS ”
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm worried about the fact that you think you are talking to Timmerman...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hurray. Oh wait...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the interpol warrants against Falklanders for telling the truth about the Indec inflation rates, stealing the glorious Argentine Reich's resources, the ultimate crime of saying “no” to them? Oh yes the same place where the extraction warrants are in Iran for the AIMA bombing that the little kapo is so proud of. Where is the LatAm's coalition of the willing ready to “liberate” the Islanders from their right to self-determination that we all hear off all the people in the world to which it doesn't apply doesn't apply to them. Oh yes, in their bases, in their harbors, doing... not so much. Where are the lawyers helping the poor sad sniveling little Timerman, the man too afraid to sit with two. 2. TWO!, this many: **!, elected representatives of 2500 of so people who said “no” to him but happy to sit with murderous antisemites who host holocaust denial conferences to sweep the murder of his own citizens, and fellow Jews under the rug for some trade dollars with his case to the ICJ that he never brings? Come on guys, not even that? I'd think that would be easy with the old tried narratives we hear over and over here go... Oh yes, they are quietly working with their counterparts in the Islands on quiet deals.
All that support. All that affirmation. And no traction whatsoever in any of the venues where it counts.
Yes, yes, all of Latin America is behind Argentina, that's pretty much where you have to stand to laugh behind its back.
I'm curious. WHY are they holding this “summit”? Aren't “summits” supposed to be conferences? Why travel all the way to Cuba when you already know the results? Sounds like a taxpayer-funded jolly to me. Looking back over CELAC's history can tell us a lot. CELAC only started in 2010. It was formed out of the Rio Group and something called CALC. What is it about these southerners that they have to keep reforming and renaming things. The question that has to be is asked is; who cares? Lovely that the “summit” will declare the region “a zone of peace”. Naturally, that will not apply to argieland that will continue waging an economic war in breach of the UN Charter. Does that mean that these “organisations” are formed on the “gang” principle? Get all their pals and those they can bully together and call it “representative”. There are 33 states in CELAC. And the two countries they are trying to bully, Britain and the Falkland Islands, are going to be worried? Neither of them get worried about the 193 members of the United Nations. Why would a little sub-group be a concern? The British garrison is still in place. HMS Clyde is still on-station. HMS Richmond is still around. So is RFA Black Rover. I could mention the Royal Navy's nuclear powered submarines but it's not allowed. However, the Royal Navy's ballistic missile submarines are probably within range. Actually, they are probably within range when they are “alongside”. And thus argieland's posturing is exposed, yet again, as pathetic. The argie air force (the FAA) is a considerable force. It has 14,600 military personnel. That's for 77 aircraft that “might” be able to fight. The argie air force has an “order of battle”. It's “Run”! The argie navy is equally formidable. It has 42 vessels. 17 of them are believed able to float. That doesn't include submarines. They daren't sink. Sorry, dive. Seriously, I've looked through the list of CELAC members. Not one of significance.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 Stevie: about as democratic as kicking Paraguay out of Mercosur. The big difference is that they had every right to change their government and do what they wanted but y'all booted them out for not towing the mercosur line, whereas a nation's action resulting in a commonwealth nation being usurped by a scumbag nation like argentina is indeed decent grounds for being suspended from the union.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, the last report by Freedom House gave Argentina marks of 2 all round whereas the UK achieved 1's so stick that in your land stealing pipe and smoke it.
#26 Its very simple, Gollum is out of cigars... Due for the annual visit to Harrods, Fortnums and Jermyn Street quite soon too. The Trolley Dolly is probably ironing the sheets right now.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, you agree with the suspension of Paraguay then, Boovis?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or what are you trying to say?
Old Chinese saying that Timerman should take on board ....“ Engage brain before opening big fat trap ” unfortunately this does not apply to him , oh brainless person !!
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 029: Read the post again. Sorry, I know I should have used single syllable words to explain it to you...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love how Mr Potato Head can screech and screech about the injustices of the world groups that Argentina is still part of, signed up for, benefitted from, etc.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they don't like these groups and consider that applying the same rules to Arg as the rest of the group, they should just leave.
Nobody is asking Arg to stay in IMF, WTO, IDB, WB etc.
Rgs are a bunch of slime ball hypocrites.
They need to grow up.
I don't get it, Boovis...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to you, any member of the commonwealth should be excluded in your version of democracy, should they opt for not supporting the British claim over the Islands. The reason for this being that Mercosur excluded Paraguay for a coup d'etat against their democratically elected President...
It makes no sense in my head whatsoever...
Ofcourse Argrenina as nothing else to worry about does it?? High employment, low inflation strong currency be a great place to live
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now the perfect “Latin American” (Timerman?) idiot has spoken!
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
How strange Argentina say's one thing then the actual people Argentina are speaking on behalf of say the complete opposite as in 2012 below.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When foreign ministers of the 15-member countries of CARICOM and the Dominican Republic met ministers of the British Government in January this year at the biennial UK-Caribbean Forum in Grenada, they collectively and rightly agreed: “To support the principle and the right to self-determination for all peoples, including the Falkland Islanders, recognising the historical importance of self-determination in the political development of the Caribbean, and its core status as an internationally agreed principle under the United Nations Charter”.
A second good reason not to support Argentina is that the facts of British settlement and sovereignty over the Falklands are well established. It is important to appreciate that an existing UN resolution on the Falklands does no more than call for negotiations to find a peaceful settlement to the dispute over sovereignty. Where the problem arises is: if both countries claim sovereignty why would either of them want to negotiate over what they consider to be their legitimate right? In any event, Britain has exercised sovereignty over the Falklands since 1765 and, properly, if Argentina disputes such sovereignty, it should take the matter to the International Court of Justice for arbitration. Argentina has declined to do so, while Britain has indicated its willingness on several occasions.
Those are reasons of principle and law why Caribbean countries ought not to support Argentina in its claim for the Falklands. By themselves they are solid and overriding reasons.
But, if economic self-interest were also to play a part in national decision-making on this issue the following points are worth bearing in mind: Commonwealth Caribbean countries earn far more from exports to Britain than they do to Argentina; Britain is a far bigger aid donor to the Caribbean than is Argentina, and British a
33: No... they should be excluded if their actions result in the subjugation of one nation by another i.e. the Falklands by Argentina. Capiche?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean like Iraq?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone needs to take the tinman out before he gets caught in the rain. As often as he whines....“ours...ours...ours”, the retort is ”take it to the ICJ of stop crying.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Sorry Poppy, that cake is already soggy. Not do worry they come up with that recipe again, and again and again.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To say that the Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands is 'pathetically weak' is an understatement. Anyone that supports the view that the Islanders DO not have the right to self-determination or are not a people are equally as deluded as Timberhead.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Yeah it's probably about time you went back to the old bombing cliches Stevie, your economics knowledge is on par with a monkey holding a calculator.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't like your truths, Britninja?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Trillion on a calculator would be 3exp12, no?
That's a lot of money to owe.
But why pay it when you can borrow more instead?
Besides, your kids will most likely end up paying, or not, who cares... After all, not your problem, is it? Just your kids....
The islands are Argentine...we want negotiations
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahahahahahaha
the islands are not Argentine...nothing to negotiate.
all done
Sorry, the monkey is throwing peanuts at me - it's insulted at being compared to you.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is looking forward to the coming Celac summit”
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha!!!
This is the ONLY thing that argentina has to look forward to!!!
@43
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least we know we had a problem and are fixing it, unfortuneately it will take time. It is probably too late for Argentina as they do not think they have a problem. Why is it then that the Argies can only buy 25US$ of purchases on the internet and only 2 purchases a year? It can't be that the Argies are running out of US$ to pay for oil imports, your intelligent responce is eagally awaited
“Celac” always reminds me of “Celiac disease”, with similar outpourings of diarrhea.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......as apposed to argentina, who owes the money but has absolutely no intention of paying it back.
That is a great way to solve your debt crisis isn't it?
You HAD a problem? No Sir, you HAVE. 3 Trillions of them.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina owes a millesimal of that and you are all over the henyard about it...
The day will come you know, and history will point at you, present lot, as the ones to have sentenced your unborn children to pay for a party they didn't attend...
50 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, no, no Stevie..... Looking at friend “golfcronie” post at 47 he clearly indicates:-
“your intelligent responce is eagally awaited”
In case you were wondering, your post at 50 is a major FAIL!!!!
So tell me then, when is the “implanted European” population of argentina going to give the land back to it's rightful owners?
Stevie, you can barely wrap your mind around events in the present day - don't tax yourself by worrying about our future. What's important right now is British kids can switch on a light bulb, they can go to school without being trained to become mini-Campora psychopaths and they can even buy items online without a government tax inspector showing up to harass their parents.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who would you rather be:
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A pauper that owes $1000 to a loan shark
or a Billionaire who owes 750MM to a consortium of banks?
Stevie, do ya get it?
I know your capacity to learn in limited at best.
As soon as England is handed over to the Kelts...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tee, hee, hee!!!
You'll have to do better than that................ Come on Stevie-baby, amaze us with your debating prowess...
I'm sitting here beside myself, waiting for your next pearl of wisdom......
I'll help him along a bit: “But...but you bomb women and children!!!”
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 Britninja
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet his next posting is going to be a major FAIL as well...........
Nothing to say and doesn't know how to say it...........
Look at how much money your generation borrowed in order to live like you do, as sheep that is. All these years canalising the money into the pockets of a few, sentencing your own kids to pay for it all, and you have no objections?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That, my friends, is proper brainwash... It's your kids, YOUR kids.
We shall see if he gets the “overwhelming acknowledgement” he already claims, at the actual summit.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not the first time he has made such claims of support, only for it not to materialise quite as predicted, or even at all.
Let’s face it, if he can’t get a good result with this group, he can’t get any kind of a result anywhere else.
Hapless, clueless and completely witless, but that’s Timerman for you.
@54. Oh dear Stevie, you do drop yourself in it. A kelt, as opposed to a Celt is a salmon which having spawned it's eggs, dies.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you doubt that ask Mr Think. He's a fisherman
A Celt and a Kelt is the same, redpoll.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop calling them fishes, I'm talking about the people...
Perhaps you should take some Omega-3 fish oil for the brain? You seem extra-thick today.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 61 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let’s try this again slowly:
Celt is a Person.
Kelt is a Fish.
These are small.
And those are far away.
@50 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, while the debt is indeed staggeringly large, the real issue is both the willingness and capacity to pay. Many countries allowed themselves to be seduced by the easy and abundant credit available to them from the mid-nineties until it couldn't be sustained anymore.
Britain and Argentina are two of those nations. They have handled their responsibilities in very different fashions. Yes the I.M.F.'s contribution was clumsy but it made no difference in the end. Yes the vulture funds are greedy, amoral bottom-feeders but they've been around since the American Civil War, a fact Argentina was perfectly aware of when Carlos Menem was buying elections in the nineties.
Britain is learning from it's mistakes. Argentina is refusing to acknowledge it made any mistakes in the first place. It's just as likely 'unborn children' will be grateful to their elders for teaching them the necessity of fiscal discipline. What will Argentina's 'unborn children's' verdict be?
Does anyone want to argue Argentina's 'fictitious sovereignty' case on behalf of Timberhead?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not so easy old Hector.......before the squatters leave from Malvinas, UK need to compensate LatAm for almost 200 years of looting and predation of this pacefully area with people of good will.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People of the World, It's Time to Get Paid !!
“ We are a global network of citizens who have suffered injuries at the hands of the British Empire over the last five hundred years. We've banded together to ask the United Kingdom to compensate the world for all the damage they've done. ”
http://www.britishreparations.org/commercial.php
@66 so_far
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about LATAM compensating the native Amerindians for nearly 400 years of looting, rape and murder?
You really are a hypocrite.
The Falkland Islands are British. You can have the mythical Malvinas.
Isn't it extremely hypocritical of Argentina to demand someone else's land and homes whilst sitting on land stolen from other people?
Pugol
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kelts are the people you took what is now called England from.
The only fish here is you...
#68 maybe he can undertand with this.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly has Britain done that's so awful?
Genocide.
Modern Britain was founded through the systematic erasure of indigenous culture and language. The English rounded up natives, seized their property, and forced them to relinquish their heritage and take on British language and culture as their own. Anyone who dissented faced extermination. This practice began in Scotland, Wales and Ireland and soon spread all over the world, where the British Empire plundered natural resources and enslaved native peoples then left without building the stable infrastructure or governments necessary for self-sufficiency.
Malvinas Islands 1833 anyone ?
http://www.britishreparations.org/facts.php
@69 - s0_far
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't you just described how Argentina was created? Just substitute the Britain with Argentina and English language with Spanish language...
Thank you for bolstering my earlier post (no. 20) on Argentine hypocrisy.
History of the British Empire
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWedTbuAtR4
So-far Pau l and Stevie are such utter fools.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Going back a 1000 or 2000 years and assuming a moral equivalence to today.
Idiots through and through
The education system is an abomination in Argentina and where ever Steve is pretending to be from today.
This people sit on the biggest debt known to mankind, product of a wasteful spending of their entire generation. Now, when their kids are ending up inheriting that very same debt they refused to pay themselves, this same people points at Argentina for refusing to pay the vulture fonds...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The say reality surpasses fiction...
...Ho hum...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The word Celt is the Anglicised form of the Greek word Keltoi, which means ”the people who are different.“
”The name Κελτοί Keltoi and Celtae is used in Greek and Latin, respectively, as the name of a people of the La Tène horizon in the region of the upper Rhine and Danube during the 6th to 1st centuries BC in Greco-Roman ethnography.“
”The Celts (/ˈkɛlts/, occasionally /ˈsɛlts/, see pronunciation of Celtic) or Kelts were an ethnolinguistic group of tribal societies in Iron Age and Medieval Europe who spoke Celtic languages and had a similar culture“
”Celt is a modern English word; its first attested use is in 1707, in the writing of Edward Lhuyd,“
”According to the testimony of Julius Caesar and Strabo, the Latin name Celtus (pl. Celti or Celtae) and the Greek Κέλτης (pl. Κέλται) or Κελτός (pl. Κελτοί) were borrowed from a native Celtic tribal name.”
“The education system is an abomination in Argentina”
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0says an isleño with no secondary education, who thinks miami is the paradise on earth.
the epitome of ignorance.
“Going back a 1000 or 2000 years and assuming a moral equivalence to today”
going back 1000 yrs ago?
no, just between 100 to 300.
more or less the same time when the treaty of utrecht, the biggest british excuse to occupy gibraltar, was signed
Paul, you are a blockhead. As I have said before I am American.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't insult me by calling me a Falklander though.
I'd rather be that than a filthy corrupt deceitful Argentinian any day.
#73
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yeah....poor souls the next new british generation,....in Malvinas because they are rejected and almost hated for 99 % LatAm....no fate at all, thats a fact and this CELAC summit will confirm exactly that.
...and in UK, they They will have an impressively large inheritance problem.....UK National Debt (plus also will be hated for 99% Europe).
Dark future for sure.......
anyway i have hope in the new Z generation, maybe they are going to break the stereotype of his criminal predecessors and will act correctly in the international community
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
12.07/1 and Thicko thinks the Gov't has in under control.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And its only the beginning of the end.
Gosh this is turning into a great 1st quarter! I can't wait until the crop totals come in! Whew sure is a scorcher!
Look to Venezuela to see your future Rgs look to Venezuela
@77 so_far
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is the only loser country here.
The UK is successful. The Falkland Islands are successful. Argentina is a MAJOR failure.
The Falkland Islands community PRE-DATES (that means it existed before) the Republic of Argentina.
Everybody knows this. Argentina is a wannabe colonial power. A never was country, that destroy's itself very regularly, and is considered an international pariah.
Venezuela might be you immediate future, but your real future is Somalia.
Argentina, the ONLY country in the world that is heading full tilt into becoming a 3rd world country, whilst the 3rd world countries are getting their acts together and developing into 1st world countries.
No wonder you are so angry. No wonder you are so desperate. No wonder you are so delusional.
And your LATAM 'brothers' are circling like vultures, waiting for you to implode into civil war. Then they'll send in 'peacekeepers' in a LATAM can solve it's own problems, and then they'll take whatever they want from you.
And deep down inside you know it to be true.
Here is the last few gasps of a dying government. Your President has probably already fled. And your government squanders your money on useless things. And you're so stupid that all you can do is stand by and applaud them for doing it.
# 75 Pablo
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Going back a 1000 or 2000 years and assuming a moral equivalence to today”
going back 1000 yrs ago?
no, just between 100 to 300......
no way !!!.....closer amigo.....just few years ago in Irak, Afghanistan, Lybia, etc...
UK = criminals women and childrens killers, thats a 100 % FACT.
British squatters in Malvinas ? = for now only BOP (Bunch of Outlaw People), just for now, we need to wait a bit for unmusk them complete.
@78
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aka isolde
If you are “an american” why don't you resolve the deficit the usa federal cannot control 17 trillon debt, the usa post office 8 billons dollars deficit,
city and state continued deficit, several stores closing business, Intel terminating more that 100,000 employees, etc.etc.
Pay the unemployed, please, they are suffering.
It seems that your “usa education” does not permit to think well.
yanqui is not in the business of paying no debt.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's in the business of letting his kids pay the money he and his whole generation borrowed.
Meanwhile, he'll point fingres at Argentina for not paying the vulture fonds money that doesn't belong to them.
One would think yanqui is Singer himself...
But no, yanqui is merely a useful idiot...
Interesting
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.... Peter Dixon-Clarke Rockhopper finance director steps down .....
hmm...the truth is emerging and the big Lie doesn't support anymore analysis ?
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/01/20/rockhopper-finance-director-steps-down-but-will-remain-as-a-consultant
Stevie, Only Axel beats you on economic genius.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a good thing turning a wrench in the North Sea doesn't require critical thought.
Just admit it, you lot aren't going to do anything in order to relieve your own children from the burden of the debt YOU inflicted upon them.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it's a future problem, you just avoid talking about it and choose to talk about... well, Argentina instead...
Your own kids, that's... bloody he'll, I am ashamed on your behalf...
Oh good lord. Please please read that website that is linked to above called britishreparations.org it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. They are even paying people to sign the petition.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie are you suggesting that any country who owns money default on their debt like SA countries have and join their club?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I'd love to see you pay more of your own debts and talk less of Argentinas.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Borrowing money to pay what you owe is not paying your debts.
The debts is accumulating and if you think it's being paid, it's because your morals tells you your kids should pay it...
@ Stevie, so_far, paulcedron where do you 3 fooookers get your shit from? the 3 of you would make a good living working for Kim Jong-un in his talking shit propaganda department.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No arguments, you have no arguments.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Understandable.
How to form the words in such a way that letting your kids pay for your waste would sound like the proper thing to do...
Hmmm
They deserves it. It's a proper way of teaching them that... you know.... everything comes...... with.... a price....
here we go again,
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the argies going back thousands of years just to slag of the brits,
still,
have you any proof the great British empire destroyed the dinosaurs,
or is another load of old trip....lol
Comparison With Other Countries
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although 73% of GDP is a lot, it is worth bearing in mind that other countries have a much bigger problem. Japan for example has a National debt of 225%, Italy is over 100%. The US national debt is close to 75% of GDP.
we are paying all of our debts. Show me where we have NOT paid and defaulted on what we owe?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As long as I am married to an Argentine and my extended family gets screwed living there....I will continue to harp on Argentina.
Stevie you are confusing debts and bills. I won;t argue that we have massive debt......But! We pay every back....have you?
Well Stevie, worrying about the fate of children is a mutual thing. With a role model like you, if you ever spawn, your kids have my deepest sympathies. :)
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.britishreparations.org/facts.php
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahahaha
Oh wow this's the funniest website I have seen for years
Get this, the British invented “bad hygiene” and that's one of the foundations of the argument.
Poppy, your debt is bigger for every year that passes. You are forced to borrow money in order to cover the interests. You call that paying?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be my guest, if that makes you feel better.
With that approach, your kids will end up as the servants of the world, courtesy of their parents...
HOW DESPERATE CAN ARGENTINA GET??
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now restricting Internet shopping on international websites
NORTH KOREA ANYONE
”Even as it seeks to regain access to international capital markets, Argentina imposed new restrictions on online shopping on Wednesday in its latest attempt to curb capital flight and prevent a possible balance-of-payments crisis.
Anyone buying goods through international websites such as Amazon.com must now sign a declaration and produce it at a customs office, where the packages are collected. In addition, Argentines are only allowed to buy two international items annually, free of tax, up to a $25 total. Beyond that, they must pay a 50 per cent tax.
Jorge Capitanich, the head of Argentina’s cabinet of ministers, said the measure was to defend national interests by substituting national production over foreign goods. “We must ask ourselves if we want Argentine industry, Argentine workers,” he told reporters.
90 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Stevie, stevie, stevie baby!!! I'm still waiting for a pearl of wisdom from you, from any of you argies..... from what I have seen on this thread you have ALL let me down.
You are all chasing your tails, you don't know how to come at us do you? You have no ammunition, your guns are empty.
National debt running at 73% HA!! I say!!!
We will pay it off, You know we will.....AND we can, we have the means to do it as well.
British economy? Fastest growing economy in Europe at the moment....
And, may I ask, how big is the argentine national debt?
Are you going to pay it back?
More to the point, thanks to your glorious leader KFC, CAN you pay it back?
Here you go Stevie are you ashamed or what???/
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Tough times for consumers in Argentina. Thanks to a 35 per cent tourist tax, many are swapping the white sands of Uruguay and Brazil for local beaches during January’s summer holidays (though the head of the federal tax agency found his way to a five-star hotel in Rio).
And now carmakers have begun to release prices under the impuestazo, a whopping new tax on top-end models.
In another move to protect dwindling dollar reserves it uses for debt payments and energy imports, the government slapped a two-tier tax on luxury cars. It hopes to cull demand, force dealers to reduce imports and halt the narrowing trade surplus.
The measure hit consumers this month. It levies a 50 per cent tax on cars worth more than 210,000 pesos ($30,000 at the official rate, which is 62 per cent lower than the black market rate) and 30 per cent on models valued at more than 170,000 pesos ($25,000).
The result? Enrique Vitale, a sales executive at a BMW dealership in Pilar, just outside Buenos Aires, told beyondbrics that no cars have been sold there yet in January (compared to more than 20 in October).
As manufacturers experiment with the tax in a bid to keep the market active, prices of some models have rocketed. A Honda Accord V6 is listed at more than 700,000 pesos ($105,000), nearly double what it cost last month. The price of a BMW 328i has risen by 64 per cent to $117,000.
Argentines are used to eye-watering price tags. Government restrictions mean there’s a near ban on importing iPhones (though the vice-president was caught tweeting with one). Most people escape to Miami to buy them and
Oh dear Voice
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the Celts of the La Tene culture were actually Swiss?
I can find no references to them in Caesars commentaries or those of Tacitus or Suetonious.
Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough so perhaps you would oblige me with a link for my further education
The original inhabitants of Scotland were Picts,not Celts
Stevie. A kelt is a spent Salmond, pun intended.
As regards his sidekick and your pin up girl, here's a rhyme
“Caviar comes from virgin sturgeon,
Virgin sturgeon needs no urging
That's why caviar is a very rare dish”
While on the subject of fish and your accusation of me hiding,here's a clue
“My father was the keeper of the Cape Wrath light
Who married a mermaid one fine night.
The result of the union was children three.
Two was fishes and the other was me”
Perhaps if CFK stopped worrying and interfering with the Falklands,
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And concentrated on her own country,
You might not be in this mess now,
True..lol
.
Trillions Tool.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a little gift to your kids for refusing to pay it yourselves. You built cloud castles with the money and now you pretend the bill doesn't exist.
I understand you have no scruples in letting your kids take the blow, you've been practising in how to deattach yourselves from their love for a couple of generations now...
LOL you could not make this shit up virtually impossible to get iphones unless your part of Kirchner's corrupt merry go round YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED STEVIE YOU RAT.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Methinks BCRA has lost control of the Peso
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Govt Rate 7.13
Blue 12.15
Holy Crap!
Wait more pesos means they're richer...right?
Bahahahaha
And while Stevie and Argentina sinks further down The South American Shitter !!!
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10354575/UK-economy-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-the-developed-world.html
I think we can expect the whole 'debt' and ”letting down children' thing ad nauseam for a while now. Stevie and his greasy cronies must have even bored themselves senseless with the bomb talk lol.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am ashamed, Andy. On your behalf.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I look at my kids and I simply fail to understand how anyone can be so distorted in order to condemn his/her own kid to pay a debt of that size. Only because you lot felt you had the right to live above your means...
#77
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so far you have talked a lot of crap time and time again. Anything new or sensible to say ? to unmusk them....are they otters ? All you can do is repeat the same old rubbish.. Try some bicarbonate of soda to relieve your gas instead of posting it.
I looked at your website and noted the last entry was in 2010 - certainly alive and active !
The first“crime” I saw was that Britain invented the machine gun....it was actually Mr.Maxim, an American. But, as you would agree and demonstrate, don't let the truth get in the way of your prejudices. The fact is that you are jealous of the Brits. because you rightly feel inferior. That's YOUR problem, live with it !
102 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmmm well, I see your point, but yoou are still full of s**t. You see? you've got no arguments, you don't know how to come at us do you?
This, what you are doing, Stevie-baby, is called “Projection”. When you see it, know how to spot it, it becomes then easy to see how you are feeling. It tells us more about you without you answering any questions at all.
Take this sentense for example:- “As a little gift to your kids for refusing to pay it yourselves”
Now, knowing what we know to be happening in argentina at the moment this tells us how worried YOU are about your nations plight.... But it is the last bit that speaks / shouts volumes!!!
“I understand you have no scruples in letting your kids take the blow, you've been practising in how to deattach yourselves from their love for a couple of generations now...”
All of your guilt, all of your fears, laid open, right there, in that post for EVERYONE to see.....
Well done Stevie-baby!!
You should workshop your emotions more frequently you know?
My usual fee is £123.75p an hour BUT, with the exchange rate thing that you are experiencing at the moment, this first one you can have for free.
@ Stevie Don't be ashamed for me it's you (if you live in Argentina)that Kirchner id thieving from but not to worry the old hag will be sailing into the sunset soon with all the luggage stuffed with $$$$$$-what lovely people
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tool
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing you are projecting, is the bill on your kids...
As is the case with Andy, you'll sail towards the sunset, condemning your kids to pay for the mess you left behind.
Stop talking about Argentina, you lot have no scruples...
@107 The UK has a lot of debt, I am sure no one will argue about that but the UK is fixing it, and I know that some are suffering because a previous government borrowed too much. It will get over it.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Stevie, but surely as Argentina goes down the pan, your children will have to pick up the debts, is this not so? In fact we could probably say that about most LATAM countries, you are such a hipocrite.You will have to wait and see how much debt the present government ( I use the word government loosely) will leave to the Argie children.
@107 “I look at my kids and I simply fail to understand how anyone can be so distorted in order to condemn his/her own kid to pay a debt of that size”
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should look at your kids and wonder what sort of unbalanced parent would rather spend hour upon hour here cluttering the place with inane drivel (and being humiliated for it on a daily basis), rather than spend quality time with them. Now that's something you can really feel ashamed of. :)
Britninja
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It takes me 5 seconds to respons to your drivel.
I spend way more time laughing at you...
@33 Of course you don't get it. Well, in reality, you do but you can't say so. You see, Boovis specifically mentioned a commonwealth nation being usurped by a scumbag like argieland. Was that too difficult for you? Cretin.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Iraq wasn't “subjugated”. Hussein's Iraq was defeated. Then the victors stepped back and let Iraqis sort their country out. Offering assistance as necessary.
@43 I've pointed this out before but you were too crass to accept it. British war debt to the U.S. at the end of WW2 equates to the current debt. It was paid. The UK never went to the courts to evade repayment. It just paid. How many judgements against argieland? There are over a hundred in the U.S. alone. That's why the UK has credibility and argieland has NONE.
@54 Why would England be handed over to Celts? In case you don't know England comes from Englaland. Otherwise Angleland. BUT genetic analysis shows that the majority of English people have a considerable Celtic and Brionic component.
@58 No, we borrowed considerable amounts of money to pay back the U.S. for lending us the stuff to defeat three tyrannies. We made a mistake. Should have made argieland look like Germany.
@61 No, they aren't. Becauseˈkɛlt isn't in English. So stick with English. As the board rules require.
@66 Puhlease. We built your economy. Until you wrecked it by being greedy, thinking you didn't have to work and borrowing/spending too much.
We built your railway system. Until you wrecked it by expecting it to go on forever without maintenance.
You should try some HISTORY. Not the “we are victims” crap your government feeds you. Here's a thought. In 43 AD the Roman Empire invaded Britain. It continued to occupy until 410 AD. That's 367 years. Post-industrialisation things would move quicker. Why are you still whingeing? In 1066 we had the Norman Conquest. By 1072, we were back to normality. We didn't like it but we didn't whinge. We got on and worked things out. That means you're crap!
“The UK is successful. The Falkland Islands are successful. Argentina is a MAJOR failure.”
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that is the problem with some brits (luckily not all of them) and kelpers.
many of us know and recognize we are in a bad situation here.
it is the necessary condition to start solving it.
but it is not the kind of situation, you deluded islanders think.
now when you see this group of brainwashed plankers, thinking that the uk is some kind of super power, when 1/4 of its population starves to death, or these ignorant islanders thinking that their future will be assured because they will discover oil, all you can feel is a mix of sadness and revulsion.
surely they will end whining like llanitos because of the banning to dock their ships in latin american ports.
and the response of cameron will be to send some warships to show their “power”.
pathetic
5 seconds X how many posts over the years though, Stevie/Guzz? All that precious time wasted...tisk, no Father of the Year award for you. :)
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't understand your point.....how can they be Swiss when the Swiss did not exist then...?
....the tribe you are referring to are the Helvetii...
“The Helvetii were a Gallic tribe or tribal confederation occupying most of the Swiss plateau at the time of their contact with the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC”
”The name of the Helvetians is first mentioned in a graffito on a vessel from Mantua (c. 300 BC). The inscription in Etruscan letters reads eluveitie, which has been interpreted as the Etruscan form of the Celtic (h)elu̯eti̯os (“the Helvetian”), presumably referring to a man of Helvetian descent living in Mantua.“
”In his Natural History (c. 77 AD), Pliny provides a foundation myth for the Celtic settlement of Cisalpine Gaul in which a Helvetian named Helico plays the role of culture hero. ”
...like I said Celts or Kelts.....
Who mentioned the Picts...I didn't...Picts is... a description (painted) not a tribe...the tribe is likely the Caledonii...
...Gaels...Celts...Brythonic... Brittonic.....all “Celts”...all related....same people different term...
...do your own searching...do you good...
Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your understanding of macroeconomics is laughable....it's almost childlike in its poor quality.
I will try and explain it in simple terms.
Person 1
Lives a £2m house, of which he owns £1m and has a mortgage of £1m. He earns £300k per year. He has paid every mortgage payment on time, every time.
Person 2
Lives in a £400k house, of which he owes £100k mortgage and earns £60k a year. He also has never missed a payment.
Person 3
Doesn't own a house, lives in a squalid dump, has stolen, lied, and has a shameful credit history and nobody would lend to him in a fit, and his only income is what he can beg.
By your childish analysis, Person 3 is richest as he has least debt, person 2 is next richest as he has a small debt/debt to earnings ratio, and person 1 is skint.
I know which one I'd rather be...and I know which one you are!!! Seems we are both happy.
Britains assets more than cover their debts, I fully support the current governments moves to reduce it, however to compare our legacy to our children with yours Stevie.....hahahahahah...yet more ignorant hogwash from the boards deluded racist.
Never mind Stevie...stop talking about Britain...(oops sorry, England) you aren't worthy to you racist loser troll....PMSL.
Do your imaginary kids read what you write Stevie...I bet they are so proud to have a racist troll as an imaginary dad.
#96 Everything expands.....our GDP is huge also and eventually we will grapple the debt despite what you disbelieve. Terrorism is costly and the free world will not allow extremist terrorist take the world back to the 7th century because these nut jobs thrive of false power.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for my children....they have a great education, solid careers and good earning power. Every generation has a cost to bear, mine was the cost of WWII....paying those costs of the war went on for years.
I know you don't agree with our lifestyle and that is fine with me, but first hand you know nothing of it other than what you read. As I've been to Argentina many times....you should try the same with the USA.
There's no need to use your excuses on me. Use them on your kids, they are the ones that will have to pay for your spending.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you know this, as you had no problems living above your means for... as long as anyone can remember.
Problem is, you basically don't know other way of life.
Living of other peoples shoulders have been the common approach, hence you are running around like headless chicken, thinking what's next.
I tell you what's next, you lot pretend to be sorry and then you let your kids pay, simple as that.
You don't care either way...
Well, ALL the Brits and ALL the Yanks are putting a debt on their kids for all eternity, so says Stevie Supa-Tupa © Troy Tempest 2014.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But wait, how can that possibly compare to what Sup-Tupa’s mom and dad did to him?
THEY ran off to Sweden where Stevie grew up hearing of heroic tales of the Tupas and how HE could one day lead the final revolt that they had to run way from? Ever since the poor guy has been torn into pieces between his sensible wife who, looking to the kid’s future, doesn’t want them ending up in Uruguay, no job, no hope, only Pepe’s Social Inclusion handout to keep the wolf from the door. She also likes the new clothes that Stevie buys her: no Chin crap for her and the kids like they have to buy in Uruguay!
But Supa-Tupa longs for a new Uruguay or brotherly love with Argentina and Brazil and only dumb aresd ex-Tupas in government positions! A pizza parlour owner now Director of Toxicology, a drunk (and personal friend of Supa-Tupas) in charge of Uruguay’s Armed Forces (now thankfully “resigned” but he has his compensatory “Medal” from TMBOA for NOT fighting in the Malvinas because he was in prison.
This nonsensical world awaits us when Supa-Tupa announces his discovery of FREE ENERGY!
And that is without all the lives of all ages blighted by Military Rule which came about DIRECTLY from the stupid actions of the Tupamaros.
You couldn’t make this up if you wanted to.
But you just did, Chris...
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121 Stevie
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are making great progress here Stevie-baby..... Your posting really does give us all someothing to think about....
“I tell you what's next, you lot pretend to be sorry and then you let your kids pay, simple as that.
You don't care either way..”
On this thread there is a lot from you about your feelings towards your parents... “Making your kids pay”
Did your mum and dad beat you when you were a child?
You seem to have a lot of un-resolved issues with your parents and they crop up in your postings on this web site........ It's not healthy Stevie-baby... We should talk about it.
Why do you feel so much hurt and resentment towards your parents?
Paul
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I am glad you acknowledge Argentina is in a bad position, and I hope others like you are able to exercise your democratic right to fix it. good luck...it will be tough, but good luck. I don't support your isolationist route...but anything is better than current. I appreciate your attempt to split nationality from government.
I am not sure where you get the idea that 1/4 of Britiah people are starving to death. That is not accurate...it would mean 15 million people...odd idea.
I can also assure you that the Falkland Islanders have already discovered large amounts of oil, and have a plan to exploit it, Sadly, this plan doesn't utilise Latam ports. Once oil is in tankers, it really doesn't matter where it goes...but I understand that the main destination is planned to be Cape Town 3800 miles from Stanley.
There will be no British warships threatening force in Latin America, I don't believe this has happened for 200 years. The only British warships in the South Atlantic are for defence of the Falklands, and or survey vessels. I'd be interested if you had examples of where Britain has militarily threatened anyone in South America if they didn't do business with the islanders.
British politics is far from perfect, it had a God awful government under Gordon Brown who wasted billions, however, as you know, it is important to separate government from nationality.
Tool
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that your excuse for running away from the bill?
My parents?
So, you lot don't pay your debt because of...
Lets drop this. Masks off.
You lot intend on defaulting. We know it, you know it.
There is no way that debt is being paid and the GDP is not something that will keep up with the pace of the debt. There's just not enough raw material. You know it, I know it.
You will end up having wasted the money of 3 generations and your excuse will be Argentina, or Egypt, or even Somalia.
Your kids will start off with -3exp12 in their common account, courtesy of the failure of their parents, one would think.
But it's not a failure.
It's as it was planned to be, as you lot did indeed deattach yourselves from the love of your kids a couple of generations back, with this in mind.
Of course you murder children in Iraq, look at what you do to your own...
Stevie....poor deluded twat
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I read the propaganda link posted above...and it says Britain owes £19,000 for every man woman and child.
Even your imagined number of £3 trillion is £50,000 per man woman and child.
I have two children...so, according to you, I am leaving them a legacy of debt of £100,000.
Ok...but if I were to die tomorrow....I'd leave them an inheritance of between 5-10 of that...so I have tried to understand your point of wanting me to explain what exactly?
Indeed, if my mother were to sadly pass tomorrow, I'd also inherit many multiples of my share of the debt...
I am confused by your ignorance Stevie..
56 Britninja
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stevie-baby has come back round....again....... to where he started from in the first place!!!
OMG.... You said that it was only a matter of time and here it is!!!
Please read Stevie-baby's post ( 126 ) and the last line reads:-
“Of course you murder children in Iraq”.....
Not quite, I admit:-
“but you bomb women and children”
But close enough for me to concede the bet and declare you the winner!!
Stevie-baby, as I warned you back at 55, you will have to do better, a lot better than that.......But, as you say “Lets drop this.”
I am feeling generous and I will try not to hold your monsterous stupidity against you, I want to help so I will throw you a life line.
Please take comfort in the words of my old mate Phillip Larkin who said it best.
For those you have not yet read his work, please allow me to recite my favourite poem:-
They f**k you up your mum and dad
They don't mean to but they do
They give you all the faults they had
and then add some extra, just for you.
But they were f**ked in their turn
by men in old style hat and coats
Who half the time were silky stern
and the other half at each others throats
Man hands on misery to man
It deepens like a coastal shelf
So get out as early as you can
and don't have any kids yourself.
Thankyouthankyouthankyou. I will be here all week!!
Yesterday Stevie showed his racist ignorance...and got owned
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today he showed his economic ignorance...and got owned
Tomorrow...who knows...but we can expect more humiliation for poor Stevie.
He just is that stupid....
To chance the subject slightly and a question for you Falklanders.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 during the invasion of your islands , a delegation of Anglo argentines visited your islands to persuade you to accept the fait accompli of your islands as part of the Argentine Republic
I can't find a link as to who they were.
Can you help?
I surmise a lot of them, apart from Bettsy are posters on these blogs and probably still have UK passports as a bolt hole.
As for Stevie, your knowlege of history is light and you should do a bit more research yourself.
125. monkey
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree with you in many of your points.
now about the british who are currently under the poverty threshold, of course i do not agree.
here you have the links:
http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects
http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects
glad to see some organisations are doing there the job that the govt is not doing.
pretty similar situation here.
about the oil, it reminds me of that people here in argentina, who think we will be rich because of one of the biggest shale oil fields in the planet.
sounds like a mix of ignorance and delusion.
about the warships, it seems to me cameron loves to send warships to places where there are diplomatic issues, but not military risk at all, i.e. gibraltar, falklands.
http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects
http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects
so, no doubts kirchner is handling this issue very badly, but cameron is doing it even worse.
There's just not enough raw material. You know it, I know it.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I get a kick when some stupid moron says something like that.
Its like saying we are running out of oil for the last 100+ yrs.
Buffoonery
@128 Haha, he couldn't even last a day without saying it. I think it's some form of particularly nutty OCD.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a whole world of difference between living under Oxfams poverty level...and starving to death. Finding life a daily struggle for some is not having enough for all Six Sky Sport HD channels....the welfare state in the UK is one of the most generous in the world.
I disagree that the Sealion discovery in the Falklands is comparable to Argentine shale deposits, firstly as offshore development of naturally flowing oil is a mature science, and Premier oil have both the funding and intentions to do it. At the moment nobody has any idea of the recoverable reserves in Argentina, or the economic model to do it...apples and pears by comparison.
I disagree with your view about the Falklands. In the last 12 months your defence Minister has stated that Argentina cannot recover the islands whilst the British defence is there...what do you suppose that means?
131
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your dirty rotten scoundrel-filled government would be in here like a vulture if the UK withdrew its military and you know it so stop being such a deadbeat all the time.
Chuckle chuckle
dont be so paranoid 135
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0nobody is going to steal your... what do you have there worthy to steal?
nothing?
sheep?
we have a lot in patagonia.
Why is Argentina so concerned what happened in the 19th century. Yes, and the US stole Texas and California also.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fix Argentina in the present and make it a great country. Don't live in the past!
@69 “British Language” - hysterical PMSL, oh dear! oh dear oh dear!
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Am crying with laughter.
Yes the English Language has many roots, that it is why it so strong, so versatile and one of the reasons that it is the the 'international' language of business and politics, but the a 'British' language imposed on the Scottish and Welsh etc. I am honestly shaking with laughter!
Look
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're killing kids in Iraq.
Making a joke about it wont take the guilt away.
Mocking the messenger wont revive them.
War Crimes and Criminals
To date, some of the crimes carried out by members of the British Army include:-
• The planning, collusion, and participation in the murder of Irish, UK, and Iraqi citizens(13)
• The murder / illegal killing of unarmed men women and children (14)
• The assault, torture, and murder of civilian prisoners (15)
• The torture, mutilation and murder of captured military prisoners of war (16)
• The supply of weapons, explosives, and intelligence to paramilitary “death squads” (17)
• Perjury, and the destruction / fabrication of evidence in order to protect the guilty (18).
http://www.britisharmykillings.org.uk
Laugh all you want, the world isn't laughing with you.
And pay your debts.
@139
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Your posting THAT link? Numerous trolls have posted the link to THAT site over the years. A site that is completely biased, uses ONE real example of a British service person committing a crime - a crime for which they were arrested and PUNISHED (they seem to fail to mention that), and then the rest of them are MADE UP. BOGUS. LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES.
Lies and propaganda from your friendly muslim extremists (you remember them, don't you? The ones you're terrified of). The pictures they use are 'stock' photos taken from various wars - most of them Iran/Iraq, Lebanon or Bosnia, and go all the way back to the 70's.
They are not photo's of victims of the British Army or the US Army. Straws...grasping...comes to mind.
You'll really have to do better than that, won't you?
Your hate filled, racist little post is about as accurate and as INDEC statistic.
By the way Stevie, in case you haven't noticed, the British Army AREN'T in Iraq any more, and haven't been for years.
You really need to keep up with the times.
As to your so called allegations, where is the proof? Just because you say something doesn't make it true, and if your proof is the link that you posted, then you really are a deluded fool.
The Falklands are British. They will remain British until the people there wish it to be otherwise.
Argentina can go and whistle at the moon for all the good that their crying, lying, crawling and begging has done on the international stage.
Oh, and Britain always pays its debts, that is why it has AA+ rating. Argentina on the other hand, never pays its debts which is why it has junk bond status, and may even lose that 'prestigious' rating soon.
Oh Stevie. You do make me laugh. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
You are the one lying. The site posts facts, with name, surname, date and crime.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you're right, you'll hear me going on about it every single day, until you stop pointing fingers at Latin America.
That and your criminal debt.
Laugh all you want, the point isn't to make you lot understand, thy you never will.
The point is to make you know we know.
@141 - Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0No it doesn't. The site is a load of propaganda for the muslim extremists.
The 'facts' are made up. The 'dates' are made up. All of the information on there is made up.
If they ACTUALLY had evidence that the British Military had committed these crimes, then they should report it to the proper authorities.
You see, the British, unlike your country, Stevie, takes any breaches of international law SERIOUSLY.
Yes British troops have acted criminally in some instances, and they have faced JUSTICE for those crimes.
As I said...straws...grasping...DESPERATE....PATHETIC little Stevie.
Desperate to distract for the humiliation of the Argentine government.
Desperate to distract from the imminent implosion of the socialist paradise that you so admire.
Desperate for anyone to take you seriously.
And THAT is what is so funny about YOU Stevie. Your desperation added to your INCOMPETENCE at debate, and your blinkered racist inability to accept the reality of what is happening around you.
A fanatic: someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject.
That describes you to a tee.
Stop killing children and pay your debt.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about me or my surrounding.
Just stop killing children and pay your debt.
142 LEPRecon (#)
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:50 am
Don't waste your time on the prick. He actually thinks he has won an argument. He is furiously tugging away in ecstasy, he isn't even reading any of your replies. He is too busy pleasuring himself.
@Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Simply repeating the same point over and over doesn't make it stronger. In the UK, the economy is growing, unemployment is falling, the deficit is falling and its rate of decline should now start increasing accordingly, wages will rise again when productivity starts rising again. We've had some shocking deficits of late but started from a very low debt level (% GDP) so are unlikely to get into real trouble as evidenced by our low bond rates and bond insurance rates. Mortgage debt is different, if you have a good job then you buy a nice house and pay off the mortgage over many years. Early on it looks like you are in massive debt but set against your earning potential over 25 years it is perfectly sensible for the vast majority (speculators aside). So now that has been clearly explained to you perhaps you will consider how futile it would be to play the “pay your debt” card again, especially while Argentine Finance ministers & lawyers fly to first world countries begging to be let off paying their debts.
144 Furry-Fat-Feck
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0........and he sounds like a broken record as well.
Or should I say, every other argentine poster on this site.
As predicted by friend “Britninja” at 56, when beaten, and loosing the argument, he falls back on the “But...but you bomb women and children!!!” line.........
We could retort with the ”But.....but you kill nuns” line but no, I won't go there.... this time.....
I will just content myself with the knowledge that he has nothing to say and no way of saying it.
I'm a broken record?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You lot have been talking about little than Argentinas inflation rates and CFK's botox and clothing for years, and I'm a broken record....
Fair enough, I am.
Now.
Stop killing children, dammit!!!!!!
Stop killing children!
Poor deluded Stevie......what a cock
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Humiliated daily and back for more..
I am still waiting for him to explain how I am leaving my children an unexplainable debt...or was it more cockdribble from the sites biggest twat!
Come on Stevie explain it...their share of the national debt is 10% of the value they will inherit...terrible legacy...cock wipe.
However what will your children inherit Stevie....daddies misplaced ego...your Nobel prizes (yet to be won except in your mind)...your deluded trolling, your racism, your wasted life....and of course their Share of Uruguays 3rd world slums...or their inferiority complex of Argentina.
Yep...I think UKs children have far less to worry about...
This killing children thing Stevie....explain again how that's only the English...and explain again when Uruguay is killing children it's not a problem???
Of course..you can't...just more cockdribble...LOL Stevie
Keep it coming, I enjoy making you look a penis on a daily basis
The debt is increasing every year. Every single year.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0In your small heads it's because you are paying it... The more you pay, the more you seem to owe.
Take that as a win, I couldn't care less, it would be like me stating Argentinas inflation rate is decreasing because the actual numbers are increasing.
Same stupid logic you lot use on your debt.
It's being paid, that's why it's bigger now than before last payment...
And stop killing children, you useless pieces of human waste. They have done you nothing!!!
@Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't even read people's posts before you reply. Nowhere did i say the debt was falling, i said the deficit was falling which means that the RATE of increase in the debt is falling. Total debt is rising for now but at a slower rate year on year which means that once the budget is balanced then we can start paying debt down. If anything i have said above is untrue then the markets will already know and be punishing us with high bond rates and bond insurance rates. Are they?
Please tell me you do actually understand basic economics?
I don't have to read them, I already know what it says.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The debt is being paid, besides, Argentina has a high inflation.
Furthermore it states a lot of stuff about my character.
Stop inventing excuses and pay your own debt before having a go at others.
And stop killing children for profit.
As for the rest, it's all background noise.
Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will definitely take it as a win thanks...you asked me to explain to my children their share of the national debt, and that they only stand to inherit 10x that.
You lack of basic economic understanding is astonishing, unsurprisingly your view that the “uk will default” is not shared by any major financial institution or credit agency, and is at odds with the 100% record of paying 100% of every bond every time on the day it was due.
You also seem unaware of who owns the majority of UK government bonds, and how the whole system works. never mind Stevie.
It's ludicrous trolling, by a useless dumbsh it piece of human waste.
However, feel free to continue it...makes me laugh...hardly Nobel Laureate standard, but maybe it's part of your new politics which will revolutionise the world....PMSL
Still prattling on about “killing children” Stevie. Of course this would indeed be a noble cause if it wasn't based on your racism. How was it again....it's ok if a Scotsman kills children, it's ok if an Irishman kills children, it's ok if a Uruguayan kills children.....but if an Englishman is within 1000 miles of any child's death. IT WAS HIM...
Clueless on economics...and a rabid racist.
Oh your children must be proud...(those that survive shocking 3rd world infant mortality rate)
No, it's not ok to kill children.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0So stop doing it.
Stop inventing excuses as to why you should be able to legally kill children.
As for your kids, they don't represent the majority of the Brits that will end up paying the debt. You are one of the few that made money on the blatant theft.
Nobody expects you to pay anything as you prefer to loose your loves before your money.
I was referring to the ones that will, as always, pay for you lot living above your means. Not your kids in particular, there's a great possibility they turn out to be weasels like you and therefor let somebody else pay...
I see Stevie...yet more clueless shit from you.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The National debt (which you seem to think is owed to foreigner..because you are thick) is mostly owed to UK pension funds, who have invested in the Uk infrastructure for a small but safe return over many years.
You think that most people won't inherit more than £20k in the UK from their parents...see Stevie you are thick as shit...the average house in the UK is about £160k...representing the majority of the Uk population will in fact inherit much more...and guess what..those that don't won't be paying of any legacy debt.
I am sorry your macroeconomics doesn't get that the debt is minuscule compared to the inherent wealth...unlike you country that has no inherent wealth and therefore has to default and beg international markets for bailouts and reduced payments.
I note your insult aimed at my children...further example of your scum behaviour.
However Stevie, you are far more guilty of the deaths of children than me...I am again sorry you don't see this.
Uruguays 3rd world infant mortality, that you do nothing about, Uruguays impotence on international aid, Uruguays impotence on humanitarian aid...Uruguays. Impotence on tackling genocidal dictators....
Your blatant theft....PMSL...you a such a bitter inferior little cock Stevie..a rabid racist and a turd....I pity your (future) children or indeed your made up fantasy ones.
20k?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think that covers it?
Lets do the maths...
20e3 times 60e6 equals 1.2e10.
The debt is at some 1.5e12.
That's about 100 times the amount.
So, in order to have the debt covered, EVERY Brit, young and old, needs to posses some 100 times your 20k.
Or to put it in perspective, because you are right, the majority of the debt is to pensionists, every Brit is getting conned for about 2M pounds, more or less depending on their age.
Nothing you say about me will change that fact, but you have my sympathy, as I understand you have to say something...
If you want the islands all you need to do is convince the islamders they'd be better off as argentian citizens.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0ah I see your problem :)
a week after you took control thr place would be broken and on fire which would be some sort of achievement because its cold and wet and rather difficult to set on fire.
The islanders may not be the brightest people but being left to quitely to get on with things they have made a success of thr falklands while argentina lurches from crisis to chaos again and again.
My math sucks...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 020e3 times 60e6 is nothing else than 1.2e12, which indeed is the national debt bit without the pensions included.
UK national debt stands at 1.5T when counting external creditors and a styning 4.5T when taking the pensions into account.
But your math is worse than mine, Monkey. You assume 20k in heritage is an indicazione all is fine... Those 20k are for EVERY single citizen. Each and every Brit needs to pay 20k in order to cover the debt (pensions not included).
Your maths indeed sucks Stevie..sorry i couldnt reply sooner i was too busy laughing my arse off at you again!!!!
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed Stevie..everyone in the UK needs to pay 20K to cover the UK national debt.
But the average equity of Every UK citizen is enormously over £20K. Especially with a view that the £20K is due over the lifetime of the bonds.
The average equity of a UK citizen is about £80K by the time they die...which is half a house.
Some, will not have bought a house, some will have a much bigger house...its the average.
The national debt is predominantly owned by UK citizen pension funds due for maturity over the next 20-30 years.
you are clueless Stevie...even at basic mathematics.
tell me
what is 20^3*60^6
hahahahahaha
nothing like a gobshitte who cant do basic 10 year old maths...and wants to advertise his imbecillic incompetence!
You mean each and every Brit has 80k on average?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahaha!!!!
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!
Aaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!!
You think... Hahahahahaha.... that you'll make the rich... Aaaaaaahahahahahaha.... pay for the poor?
Hahahahahahaha!!!!
On average... Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
#151
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0And stop killing children for profit.
Please explain the rational behind your continual use of this erroneous “stevieism”
Where can you show me that this is a policy if the UK govt.
Give me VERIFIABLE figures of the number of children killed and the amount of money the UK has received in profit. Show me where this is UK policy.
I will not accept your usual vague replies of oil and resources.
As for your stupid assertion of killing women and children for profit” do you actually believe this would endear us with the very people we wish to trade with.
This must be an Uruguayan mindset
Stvie..stupid turd
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are talking about leaving a legacy for our children. This was your line of trolling abuse.
In order for us to “leave a legacy” it would suggest that we were no longer around to pay for it ourselves...otherwise it would be our own legacy.
ABSOLUTELY...the average british inheritance would be in excess of £80,000 dumbass....this article says 2/3 will leave over £180,000
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517699/Two-people-expect-leave-average-inheritance-180-000-loved-ones.html
So..moron...you keep saying you should be worried about the £20,000 debt...but that the £180,000 wont cover it..for 2/3 of the population
I think our childrens legacy is quite safe...thanks for your concern
I am sorry you are continually too stupid to understand this, and clearly the average person in the UK is much wealthier than your poverty striken 3rd world cesspit.
I really cant waste anymore time on this with you, you are clearly retarded with respect to macro-economics.
Buy a book, go on a course, learn a little...before gobbing off all over the internet...you just make yourself look a penis
Clyde
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wikileaks has a massive amount of info on the matter, just download and read.
It's all there, from the torturing of illegal prisoners, to the executions of entire families and the cover up of crimes.
That you choose not to read it doesn't make it disappear.
Heck, you even shot the messenger in Assange, what am I thinking of...
Look at which oil companies are active in the sacking of Iraqi oil, check it out.
Look at what companies got the contracts for the re-building after the bombing, don't be shy.
As for Monkey...
Mate, did you actually mean that those very same people that filled their pockets with the money of the masses, will in a stroke of generousity, pay the UK debt because... they are... the G in GB?
Hahahahahahaha!!!
Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh MY GOD!
a communist doctrine, trying to be applied to the UK...“the rich” have stolen money from “the massess”. You complete and utter PENIS!
This sort of shit might work in your 3rd world cesspit but not in the UK.
The massess in the UK are neither poor nor rich Stupid Stevie. They are middle income, home-owning, pension saving people.
These are the people who pay the majority of the tax, and these are the people who hold the majority of the government bonds in their pension funds.
These are the people you continually refer to as “you lot”.
Well, us lot have assets of multiple times or debt. We are the massess, and on every single measure we can afford to pay.
Whether or not the wealth distribution in the UK fits your communist bullshit, i care not a jot...but you are deluded to the real situation..and youve made yourself look like a twat with even ridiculous childlike mathematics failures.
the rich have stolen from the masses...my fucking God...you moron!
as a short summary of the consequences of the british invasion to iraq, we have:
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* 4 million displaced people in and outside of Iraq, an average of about 100 people killed daily, and a third of the population living in poverty, Iraq 's humanitarian emergency has reached a crisis level that compares with some of the world's most urgent catastrophes.
* Destruction of Iraq's economy.
* Destruction of Iraq's Cultural Heritage
and the best:
* Immunity for the occupiers.
probably these deluded poor things think that military interventions are for helping.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/humanitarian-issues-in-iraq/consequences-of-the-war-and-occupation-of-iraq.html
as a short summary of the consequences of no military intervention in Syria
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 09.3million displaced people inside and outside of Syria, over half the population living in povert, Syrias humanitarian emergency has gone beyond crisis level that is universally considered the worst humanitaraian crisis in the world.
Destruction of the Syrain economy, except for Assads personal wealth
Immunity for the genocidal regime
Probably those deluded fools think that no military intervention has helped.
Yes, Monkey.... And each and every one of them has 60k in his matress, 20k for the external debt and 40k to pay for his own pension that he already paid for through his whole life.... Get out of here....
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaha
Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes they have!! moron thats the point!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234879/Britains-average-family-worth-204-000.html
I am sorry you dont like it..but it is.
you are a twat son...completely owned on a subject you know nothing about.
Hahahaha
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's proper monkey magic!!!
The average Brit family also has 1.4 children.
You must be the .4....
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Stevie..you are owned..completely humilated. you know it and I know it.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you tried to make out that britain was leaving an unpayable legacy to its children...post after post...after illiterate dribble.
I have proven to you that you are deluded, and that Britains debt is not just sustainable, the debt legacy to our children is miniscule versus the equity legacy that they will receive.
Your jealsousy is palpable.
Please explain to the 12,000 children in Syria who have died, why their blood is on YOUR hands. youve stood by and watched Stevie and done nothing...or is it the english again?
@168
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie having successfully deflected from the subject matter, what do you think of your Foreign minister slagging off the very Institutions that could actually make a difference to your economy?
From your own article:
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The total is calculated by adding the value of the family home against its mortgage, cash, savings, possessions and pensions.”
Further down you can also see the average house owned by average Joe has a value of 140k, in average.
That would leave an average of 64k to pay of your debt because nobody is interested intime average houses.
With this in hand, 4.7 fingers in average, you'd have to sell your quite average possesions, offer your yet-to-come pensions and add it to the sum of your average savings of 5k.
All according to your sources.
Own that.
@171
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, deflection again, can you not stay on subject, just answer my question in @170
“What do you think of your foreign minister slagging off the very institutions that could actually make a difference to your economy?”
Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have no clue what you are gibbering about.
You were talking about a legacy left to our children..post after post of tear-jerking bullshit of how our children will inherit debt...
I even believe you spewed some shit about them starting with a 1.2 trillion deficit.
My sources have proven that you are talking ridiculous jealous bullshit.
i am sorry you dont understand it, your post @171 PROVES beyond doubt that you dont understand it...
Nritish children will inherit some debt, and equity 5-10 times the value of the debt.
If you seriously believe that the equity value of peoples homes and pensions should be taken off their net worth...but yet to expire bond debt...plus pension commitments not due for 50 years plus MUST be included...you have proven yourself yet again to be an incompetent deluded fool.
Owned...yet again.
One more question Stevie...
how much is 20,000*60,000,000 ??
The average 10 year old in Britain can do that sum....
But Stevie is so thick he cant do basic maths...
oh dear oh dear....come on Stevie..2*6 and count the zeroes....LOLLLLLOLOLOL
no wonder Uruguay is in such crap when its Nobel laureate to be cant fucking count.
Hope there weren't such basic errors in your school project on windturbines....
“i like windmills...they are good” by Stevie aged 4
pmsl...you thick twat!
Monkey
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are saying that the UK debt is fine because you can always, all 6M Brits, sell your possesions and offer your pensions (those that are owned to you) and all your savings in order to pay for the debt.
Imagine that happening...
And what about those below average, those 60-80% of the entire population, who'll cover their share? You?
Of course you can pay... In the meantime, the debt is raising and you are Borrowing more money only to pay its interests...
Stevie,
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All debt is relative and can only be judged against future earning potential. So whether a debt is big or small depends on your ability to service it and eventually pay it off. For sovereign debt you can look at a country's i) bond rates, ii) bond insurance rates and iii) credit rating:
High, High, Junk would be very bad
Low, Low, AAA is very good.
Which category is the UK in?
That depend on who is rating, Redrow.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask the Dajong...
Either way, it doesn't add up, as you'd have to have a constant growth, with an ever increasing consumption, hence so production.
ADD China to the equation and you'll start seeing a problem... Or should I say the tip of an iceberg?
@ 176
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here I am patiently waiting at my keyboard for your responce to my question, or have you not got a comment to make.
Oh Stevie, you really must be some sort of masochist. Can't you go and whip yourself somewhere in private rather than embarrassing yourself time after time with your outpourings of braindead rubbish? :)
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...It's interesting to compare the average UK family's worth to the US....
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/economy/fed-family-net-worth/
What is interesting is the average house price...
US...$152,000..=...£91,584.71
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/economy/fed-family-net-worth/
UK...£242,415...=.....$402,327.85
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/economy/fed-family-net-worth/
According to the figures the average UK house is almost the same cost as the the most expensive of all the American States...Hawaii....$425,000
Also more expensive than the second highest Washington DC....$372,900
golfcronie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's not my minister of anything and what I think of him is not of your concern.
Britninja
Must your replies always be directed at my persona?
Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our 10yr bond rates are 5%, Brazil is 13%.
Our credit rating is AAA with one agency and 1-notch down by the other two.
Would you at least agree that they know more about this than you do?
@180
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical, you obviously agree that his statement will not help the Argentine economy. Why so many loosers in Argentina?
No, I'm quite sure they know how to make lists better than me.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You rate yourselves to give yourselves the best loans.
Game ryles made by... You.
How could I ever think I know the game better than them, they write the rules...
Stevie...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK debt would be covered many many times over on your scenario..so there is absolutely no need for everyone to sell their houses or cash in their pension..It is yet another retarded comment from a brain dead moron.
The UK debt has to be managed. Repayments have to be repayed on time every time in full. That way the credit lines are always there...Guess what, repayments are ALWAYS MADE ON TIME EVERY TIME.
So, what would the government do if it ever looked like a repayment was due, and there were insufficient funds to pay..??
It would increase taxation (and access a teeny tiny % of the equity I have described...so yes it would target those who can pay
Or, it would reduce spending, thereby using existing taxation more effectively.
I cant believe you need this explaining Stevie...a 5 year old knows it.
of course increasing taxation and cutting services are not popular, and a good government finds a palatable balance to service the debt (make repayments) whilst keeping taxes as low as possible, and maintaining as high level of service that it can.
Britain has plenty of cash to pay of its debt tomorrow. It has no need to do this as it can service payments and still get better rates than virtually every country in the world.
If it was truly a risk of default, then rates would increase, and the government would need to raise taxes or reduce services to improve its credit rating.
So..owned Stevie...dont bother responding with the same shit...you are an clueless imbecile.
“You rate yourselves to give yourselves the best loans.”
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you being ironic or is this honestly how you think the bond market works?
So why does Brazil offer 13% when according to you they could set their rate lower and save themselves a ton of cash over the next 10 years? Is Brazil not as clever as Stevie? Or is there some essential aspect to the market that poor Stevie doesn't quite understand? Does anyone want to help Stevie understand why we offer 5% for theirs? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
@180 As has been proven multiple times, on this thread alone, you're not capable of participating in genuine debate, you just throw around tissue-thin claims designed to wind people up. If your 'persona' is an obnoxious tit with no credibility then you'll be treated like one - simple.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more than / less than signs edited out the text in between in posts
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0181 & 185. So for the record:
UK 10yr bond rates are less than 3%
Most LA nations offer more than 5%
Brazil's are 13%
So Stevie does that mean that Brazil is more generous than the UK, or something else?
To be honest, unlike the “killing children” in Iraq mantra...where Stevie knows he is being an obnoxious twat....I genuinely believe Stevie was clueless about how a national debt works.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he believed that Britain owed someone (maybe China), £1.2 trillion, and they were knocking on the door for repayment in full tomorrow, and Britain couldn't/wouldn't be able to pay.
Poor Stevie, never mind he has had a free economics lesson...although he'd never admit it.
Britain has leant itself £1.2 trillion, the vast majority invested in sensible infrastructure and services for the benefit of future generation. Those who loaned get a very very safe investment (predominantly pension funds) with a small interest rate return.
The idea of passing that debt through generations (Stevies first trolling attempt) is only relevant if taken in context of how much equity is also passed through generations. In the case of the UK it is a massive positive balance.
The idea of the UK defaulting (Stevies second trolling attempt) is also ludicrous. The UK is actually protecting its credit rating and it's low cost of borrowing through a period of economic downturn. It could have reduced borrowing by raising taxes or cutting services further, it has tried to find a happy medium. Perhaps Stevies beloved Scottish socialist PM would have done it differently.
So far, Britain has always made its debt repayments on time, every time, protected its credit rating and therefore it low borrowing cost, and kept taxes relatively under control and services at a standard most countries would love to be at.
Compare and contrast to anywhere in Latam...or even the Latin countries in Europe.
Sorry Stevie...but you haven't a clue...you have shown you haven't a clue with your inane questions and trolling responses.
It's been fun!!
@ 68 Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly how do you think the “Celts” got the territory that is now called England, in the first place.
Sauce for the Goose, is sauce for the Gander…..
Eh what!
4.5 Trillions.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pay your debts and stop inventing excuses.
With these excuse you lived your whole lives above your means and now you pass the bill to your kids. Shameful people.
It all sounds great. Now, pay your debts and stop borrowing money to do so.
190 Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on stevie-baby!!
One more time!!
I need to see those words in your next post. Come on Stevie.
Don't leave me hangin'
Come on, give that record another turn........
Don't keep me waiting now.....
Argentina has high inflation?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0an interesting note,
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we may have debts,
and you argies laugh at it,
and you condemn it,
yet you seem ok to share some of it,
perhaps you to0. should pay some of it back .lolol
#162
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Stevie, YOU direct me to the pertinent information. I am not going to wade through God knows how many docs. You must have nothing to do with your time if you can spend hours trawling through thousands of emails or documents.
You point out where it says that it is UK policy to murder women and children for profit.
Tell us how much money the UK has gained from this practice.
You must know the exact sources as you keep telling us.
As a matter of form, your use of hahahahahahahahah makes you appear unhinged and takes away any gravity in your posts...regardless of content.
[162]
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You point out where it says that it is UK policy to murder women and children for profit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
then what abt the dirty war, did not the argentine government murder thousands,
one cannot compare what another country has done,
when ones own has done the same.
@190
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that you just repeated your PROVEN UNTRUE doctrine...it just proves two things
1) you are a muppet troll on the wind up
2) you are incapable of learning
Seems a trait in your country
It's funny, the money I borrowed from a bank for my mortgage...they are interested in...am I paying them back exactly to the penny what I said I would, and I am interested in the interest rate they agreed to charge me being maintained.
In “Stevie world”...they should be sending me a letter every week demanding the entire balance....which of course I could pay, by selling the house...as my equity greatly outweighs the debt remaining...
Oddly, though the bank doesn't do this.....I wonder why.
Now, should I die tomorrow, (actually life insurance would cover it, but for arguments sake) my children would inherit both the mortgage and the equity....Stevie doesn't understand this...poor Stevie.
So...based on debts being viable based on interest rates being maintained and payments being made on time....the UK has an impeccable record,
It has made every single repayment on time and in full (oddly doing exactly what Stevie requests...which is paying our debts)....and in return the credit markets offer us some of the lowest interest rates in the world.
Of course, all this is news to Latam. They have an appalling record of paying any debts, and therefore have only access to massive high interest rates, or in the case of Argentina...no access at all.
Poor Poor Stevie...his “new politic” for which he thought he was going to win his second Nobel prize...is actually the trolling babbling of someone with less understanding than a 5 year old....or average Uruguayan.
Oh dear Oh dear.....what a silly turd...and a racist...poor Stevies imaginary children..they must be so ashamed.
Mercopress slip-up to just use lable “Malvinas” in English. At least in their Spanish-language version, Mercopress usually lables as “Falklands/Malvinas, although the ONLY acceptable lable in English is Falkland Islands, and in other languages of EU, ”Falkland” + something for Islands) is lable as set for most EU except for Spain (Malvinas) and France (Malouines).
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Monkey world you borrow money to pay your debts, end up owing more than before and that is called “paying”...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get out of here....
Hahahahaha!!
Why not just ignore pond life like Vestige, the Tinker, Stevie, paulcedron,and Brasileiro? I do.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's called paying if the people doing the lending (not you) are happy with the terms.
Oddly nobody who lends anything to Latam are happy with the terms, hence the punitive rates they charge, or the complete avoidance as with Argentina.
It's a shame Stevie..in the past week I have proven you a racist and an ignorant cretin.
I am sorry to have highlighted your personality flaws, but your nose keeps walking straight into my fist...
Lol
No Monkey
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's called borrowing more.
In all languages I speak...
;)
Timerman's greatest achievements 2013:
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Bingo Club in Grude Fuche, Albania, will state that the British BOT Falkland Islands ought to be an Argentine colony.
The Poultry Breeders Association of Bayankhongor, Mongolia, will state that the British BOT Falkland Islands ought to be an Argentine colony.
A number of Argentines pretending to represent a number of foreign countries stated that the British BOT Falkland Islands ought to be an Argentine colony.
A selection of headlines from this edition of Mercos Press:
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Paris Club will study Argentina's repayment proposal; long process expected”
“Argentina strangles Montevideo port activity; operators call for a bilateral agreement”
“US dollar with no cap in Argentina: climbs 3.4% in a single day”
“Mujica says Mercosur is 'seriously impaired” and admits resignation in relations with Argentina”
Argentina can't manage its own affairs, and yet their foreign minister, Hectoring Hector, is out there trying to tell other countries how the world should be run.
This man apparently doesnt appreciate the sheer hypocrisy of, on the one hand, criticising the US embargo against Cuba while on the other, he prosecutes the same sort of embargo against the Falkland Iskands!
What sick a joke!
@123 and thereafter. And so evade again, Stevie, you dozy plank. You're not funny enough to comment on anymore. You're just a tiny, little, fatuous imbecilic wanker. Wonder how much time I can spend reporting your puerile “comments”?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen conqui...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You hear that?
That's the sound of the people caring...
205 Stevie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh stevie, stevie stevie-baby!!!!! You know what I hear? I hear the sound of an little boy who can't count. That's what I hear.
You see, not only is it very hard to underestimate you AND not only are you a liar but you can not keep track of your own lies.
Do you know what the 1st rule of lying is Stevie-baby? Do you?
The 1st rule of lying is “Don't lie”
The 2nd rule of lying is “If you are going to lie, don't get caught”
and you, my disappointing little troll have broken both of these rules.
You see? I keep waiting and waiting for you to astound me, to bring something of value to this forum BUT, all you bring is disappointment.
In your post at 43 you say that our national debt is 3 Trillion
AND THEN in your post at 190, suddenly the figure is 4.5 trillion......
I think I might quote the Great Buzz Lightyear at this point and say “You are a sad, sorry little man”
Do you hear that Stevie-baby?
That's the sound of one hand clapping
Because, useful Tool, rhe UK debt is 1.5T external and 3T to the pensionists.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A total of 4.5T.
And as for counting, I admit my error. In fact, I had to tell you about it in order for you to realize it, and there he showed, Monkey rhe mathemagician and afsked me about 20^3, as if it was the same as 20e3... Why even bother...
But lets still your obsession, lets talk about my continent...
@206
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think that Stevie was one of the Happy Clappers at the Casa Rosada when Queen Chris spoke to La Campora happy clappers?
Maybe.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe not.
One thing is for sure though.
You'll be watching...
;)
208 golfcronie
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either that or he was listening to the whole thing on his radio whilst cracking one off the wrist.............
eeeeeeeeeewwwwww pass the mind bleach!!!
And tomorrow, you will STILL be talking about my continent, Tool.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like every day of your life, you'll be talking about what you want.
Look but not touch, old man
;)
Been there for two years couldn't get out fast enough, not too impressed but met my wife there so not all too bad.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Locals fantastic but no balls will accept anything given to them, whatever it was.
So you decided to spend the rest of your life talking about her instead...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes sense....
It's ok to long, yanqui.
I understand your feeling, I really do.
Sometimes, I'm away for too bloody long and I too feel the urge to talk about my Uruguay.
It's an obsession, I know because you'll be here tomorrow, the day after and the day after again. Talking about her. Using your life on her.
As it should be. Makes you happy... ish...
@213
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it makes us happy taking the PISS out of you. You see you have nothing to say to us that we have not heard before, but be our guest and put your pennies worth in.
You want to be us golf, you are here every day, talking about us.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stand in line and hope for our attention.
So you can feel accomplished.
We understand.
We are here for you.
;)
@213 Lol YOU of all people talking about how much time people spend here? You poor dimwit.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? You lot have, according to yourselves, spent years here.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...
...
Talking about... Argentina...
;)
@215
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so right, you caught me.I'm here for you as obviously you need a shoulder to cry on, I understand, must be a huge wait on your shoulders having to fend off all the comments about your great SA countries. Although truth be known you really have no worthwhile comments that can be debated.
Nah, golf.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I too have a Latin American brother I can talk to when need be.
We're good like that.
Cheers for the attention though, we are glad we can fill so many hours of your days.
Every day.
;)
No, thats Ok, but I am sure he will lie to you, but heho your choice.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad we can fill so many hours of your days.
Every day.
Tomorrow too.
Wanna bet?
You'll all be here tomorrow again.
Talking about our continent. Again.
And we will be here, choosing whom of you to attend...
Yes will look in tomorrow just to see how the US$ is doing.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that causes tickles in your undies?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand, Argentinean inflation rates is such a great reading...
You should try the bus departure programmes, they would make you go wild, wild, wild....
Christ you have buses?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can always talk about it...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;)
Wont be long before they run out of fuel. Must go now my little Argie wants a good rogering. Night
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be sure you come back tomorrow.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am...
;)
Golf I don't think they understand what watching the peso exchange is tantamount to. It's like being in Times Square watching the ball drop on new Years Eve, only this is giving us a visual of the countdown to economic implosion.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie if you do not know why, ask everyone why they hate the government of Argentina so much? You are so prejudice that you embrace anyone and everyone for just being Hispanic....and loath those anglo's/white. What do you think of the nickname ChrisR gave you Supa Tupa? I actually think it's a clever spinoff of the movie Super Trooper.......no?
Stevie Stevie Stevie...youdumbfuck!
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently, according to you “trhe UK debt is 1.5T external and 3T to the pensionists.A total of 4.5T”.
oh dear oh dear oh dear Stevie...are you really that Stupid...have you really such low IQ?
The UK National debt is about £1.1bn
This debt is not “external” the VAST Majority of it is internal.
It is owned by private pension funds, and is entirely a mutually beneficial relationship.
Every month “the masses” of the UK population put money into their private pensions. The pension fund holders need to invest these billions every month. Some of it will be invested in stocks and shares (BP, Shell, HSBC) aome in government bonds. A nice mix of risk and reward.
The lowest risk and thus lowest reward are UK government bonds as they offer a low rate of return BUT ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS pay.
A massive risk reward would be a Latam bond...as its russian roulette whether you see a penny or be accused of attacking their sovereignty unless you accepted 1p in the £.
So...the vast majority of the UK debt is owned by UK citizens, happy to lend the government money to invest in UK infrastructure.
The remainder owned by foreign investors inUK bonds, is again because those investors are looking for a safe low return on investment.
Now...as far as the debt to “pensionists” is concerned...that made me laugh a lot...are you suggesting we pay this debt??? LOL
Stevie...this is a theoretical number. This is based on all the people currently employed in the public sector have a guarenteed final salary pension.
Some of these people are not going to retire for 40-50 years Stevie...pmsl
It is a future liability which can be offset by the taxation these self same people will add due to their employment and the value they will add to society.
I am sorry you though there were loads of 67 year old plus folk that the government owed trillions to. poor poor thick Stevie.
What is a pensionist?
Stevies nose...monkeys fist....OUCH OUCH OUCH
Not according to this site
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk
But lets talk about Soith America, Britain is such a bore...
Monkeys face, Monkeys fist....
;)
We can talk about South America if you want...as British economy is a bore in comparison.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0AAA/AA rating every debt paid on time, the majority held by its own people.
versus
Junk bonds/no bonds, rarely if ever paid, the majority owned by foreign investors who are abused for even asking for a portion of their money back
yep...boring boring boring..
Thaks Stevie...making you look stupid is such fun..not as much fun as proving you a racist was...
what next?...weve proven you are a racist moron...any other flaw in your personality you want to advertise???
@ 231 Monkeymagic
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean apart from the fact he is a pathological liar?
What you want to talk about in order to feel better with yourself and your miserable life, Monkey?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We agreed you are in the shitter with your debt, I see.
Nothing more to talk about there, I agree.
Lets talk about 40 semanas. Children are in need of social reforms to take care of their needs. Lets call them useless poor and laugh about them, so you can feel better, yes?
We are not agreed at all Stevie, as I have no debt...what weve established is that I (through my private pension fund) have loaned the UK Government through its bonds some money for which it will return a small amount upon maturity.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I as the owner of the fund am happy to loan at the agreed % and the government is happy to pay at the agreed %, so there is no shitter at all.
The governments actions to reduce the deficit (not the debt) is to ensure that they can continue to borrow from me at the favourable % rate.
Sorry this isnt the same as international hedge funds banging the door down and trying to seize UK asset..but there you go.
Talking to you does make me feel better about myself Stevie..thanks...because it is glaringly apparent that i am better than you in every single way...LOL
I am quite happy to talk about the poor Stevie..
Lets try the poor in the Phillipines for example...we sent million of $ of aid and military support in their hour of need...you sent nothing.
Lets talk about the devastation in Indonesia after the Tsunami...we sent billions of dollars of aid....you sent nothing.
In the UK there are tiny levels of true poverty, and these are the unfortunate few who have fallen through the welfare system...because the money you begrudge them (the UK debt) has been used to help them...
In Uruguay the money that may lift the massive number of genuinely poverty striken has been stolen by corrupt government officials and waster.
Dont try and use you communist bullshit here Stevie...look at the countries that have kicked communism into touch...seem to be doing much better now..
You and people like you CREATE poverty Stevie...and your jealousy of those whove near erradicated it is palpable.
Never mind...if talking racist ignorant shit on the internet will help Uruguays poor ...you continue...
Or perhaps all you do is advertise how untrustworthy you are.
Not at all, Monkey.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While my President donates almost all hos salary to social projects, your representatives earns billions 15 minutes after leaving power.
Political dissidents, like David Kelly, are being executed by your government just like during our dictatorships.
We fought it, you get surveillance cameras installed to control you lot...
In the UK you have a massive amount of poor people.
ADHD, alcoholism, drug addicts, social excluded foreigners. All stuffed in ghettos you later proclaim to be the cause of your misery.
Sending blood money wont help your argument...
QE-Class Carriers,
Jan 24th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flickr.com/photos/qeclasscarriers/
on it way.
oh Stevie..you poor turd..you do make me laugh though.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your president is responsible for the poverty in Uruguay..he is the latest in a long line of corrupt muppets who rape you whilst you happy clap them.
“In the UK you have a massive amount of poor people”...another ignorant and ludicrous statement from someone whose countries government inflict genuine catastrophic poverty on its people.
To compare ghettos...hahahaahha...just shows what a ludicrous twat you are Stevie...uruguay and the UK...hahahahahaha...we have no poor people on the measure that youd define poor Stevie...our poorest people would be middle income in Uruguay.
Keep up your jealous rants whilst you wallow in your self inflicted true povery.
If you took your head out your arse, youd actually see that britain has veryfew socially excluded foreigners...it is racists like you who believe foreigners are less than your ricjh “latino” blood...how foolish you are.
The most cosmopolitan city in the world...the real evidence of people from all nations living together.
But you keep touting your communist and racist mantras Stevie...they are hilarious to those who know better...and all the while infant mortality rates in Uruguay, and those living in extreme poverty are at shocking 3rd world levels.
But Stevie can rant racist, ignorant shit on the internet to people far better than him...
Stevie Stevie...time for school...have you finished your windmill project....whats 20,000*60,000,000...oh youve wet yourself again Stevie.
Yes, Stevie mummy will drive you past that ghetto Stevie...where there is true extreme poverty..people actually starving to death...but its worse in the UK...
hahahahahahaha
Got to admit....
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't read your post.
I'm only here to see you slap yourself....
20% youth unemployment of which 30% have been without a job for over a year.
That's your future right there...
UK ghettos are as poor as any ghetto.
Don't ask you, ask them.... ;)
I love reading your posts Stevie...as tears of mirth run down my cheeks.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so jealous Stevie...i remember yesterday your incedulity that the average family in the UK had £200K of assets.
You nearly shit yourself...no, no ,no ..it cant be...my commie propoganda said you all live in ghettos in poverty like we do in Uruguay
hahahahaha
you are fucking clueless Stevie...a silly little boy shouting in dark...whilst his country is a 3rd world cesspit.
I didn't.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did.
You said you lot can pay for the debt because you have, and I quote your link, assets, possesions,pensions and savings of a total amount og 200k on average (guess it's not your average slum...)
Of these the average house was worth 140k, again according to your own sources.
That would leave, according to you and your sources, some 60k in average to cover the debt (what about those who lives in a rented flat?)
So, with your Logic and sources, you'd have to sell all your possesions, offer your future pensions (the ones to be funded by your unemployment youth) and ADD it to your average savings...
You merely got an average respons to a quite average argument...
My country is the country of the year according to your media. ;)
Stevie...truly you are really thick.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me spell it out to you one last time...try and concentrate..I know basic maths is beyond you.
The national debt is predominantly a deal between UK Private pension funds and the UK government.
We (the UK people) lend the government money...based on a return.
So, in essence there is enough money in all the UK Private pension funds to service the UK debt. THIS MONEY IS NOT AT RISK...its our money!
your ridiculous lunatic thick as shit argument said ...you are leaving a debt burden for you kids or some such dribble...THIS IS BULLSHIT...the asset discussion proved to you beyond any DOUBT that our kids are being left far far more in equity (possibly 10*) than they are in debt.
You comment about someone in a rented flat just shows how UTTERLY UTTERLY clueless you are.
i am sorry you cant understand this and think there is a debt collector coming for £1.1 trillion
We are the fucking debt collector and we want the money over the next 30,40, 50 years based on the returns we have been promised.
The government has always met these returns and we are happy with them.
I wont repeat it again Stevie, if you are too stupid to understand it on the fifth explantion then you can just remain stupid.
So why on earth did you post that link???
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today you owe 4.5T.
Tomorrow you owe more.
Wanna bet?
;)
“My country is the country of the year according to your media.”
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21591872-resilient-ireland-booming-south-sudan-tumultuous-turkey-our-country-year-earths-got
Yeah, don't get too excited. The central reason isn't economic success or amazing innovation - it's that they legalised pot haha. Still, maybe you should return home (if that is indeed your home at all) as soon as possible - you're clearly in need of a few calming puffs you gibbering basketcase. :)
The UK national debt grows at a rate of 5k quid a second.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the moment you started on that post, Britninja, until the last dot, you lot lost some 100k, assuming you type fast'ish...
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk
You're like a drowning man clinging to a bit of driftwood aren't you ;) You've been comprehensively taken apart on your total lack of economic knowledge but you'll hold onto your puerile bitter fantasies as the salt water fills your lungs. It's quite fun to read.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no arguments.
I'm taken apart alright! By laughter!!
Yeah, cackling maniacally to yourself as you sit in a puddle of your own pee ;) Have your (quite possibly imaginary) wife and kids left you yet? You know deep down they deserve a life with someone less obsessive and unhinged.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The very fact that you continously talk about my family is quite telling and the source of my amusement ;)
Jan 24th, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have nothing.
No arguments at all and you are aiming at clouds, in a desperate frenzy to at least hit something.
Cheers lot!
Hahahahaha!!
Because we're worried for them Stevie :( I'm sure it'll turn out fine though, your wifey has her eye on Sven the postman - they have good chemistry.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever you say, Britninja, whatever you say...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaha!!
I take great interest in that the Summit is going to declare that the Falklands are Argie property - because they are like 300 miles off their coast?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is so, then Cuba is US property since that little island is only 90 miles off Florida's coast.
Stevie
Jan 24th, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I posted the link in response to your ridiculous mantra
“you are leaving a debt for your kids....blah blah puke”
It proves, you were talking shit and “our kids” will inherit far more equity than debt.
Ridiculous mantra destroyed..part 1
You next ridiculous mantra is that we must “pay our debts”
I pointed out that the vast majority of us are the people who loaned the money, to the government on an agreed rate of return. The last thing we want is early settlement..we want the return we agreed at the start.
Ridiculous mantra destroyed...part 2...and proving you a clueless imbecile
You then seemed obsessed with pensionists...and that we owed them 3 trillion
I pointed out that what you are calling a debt is a future liability for people who are not currently pensioners but will be in maybe 30-40 years time...just as there was a liability on all those who a pensioners today...30 years ago. All of them get every single penny they are due
Ridiculous mantra destroyed part 3
Of course soon you will return to your favourite mantras:
Stop killing kids in Iraq. I have pointed out both that there are no longer UK troops in Iraq, and that the absence of military intervention in Syria is sadly leading to greater infant death tolls.
Ridiculous mantra destroyed part 4
And of course my favourite:
I hate the English, but not the welsh, scottish or Irish, because of the military intervention in Iraq and the UKs debt.
I pointed out that both Prime Ministers during the military campaign in Iraq were Scottish, as we're both Chancellors, as was the Press/spin doctor most associated with David Kelly. Also the Uk debt crisis was caused more than anyone else by the aforementioned Prime ministers and chancellors.
Ridiculous mantra destroyed part 5....and proving you a racist as well
It's been a fun week Stevie...what clueless communist/facist mantras do you want to spew next week? Continue to make yourself look stupid.
Look at your debt now.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's higher than when we talked a few hours ago.
Somehow though, it's getting lower in monkeyland.
Mainly because the average Brit has a house worth 140k.
See, I get your point, Monkey.
You can stop running into your own fist now...
Stevie
Jan 24th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a penis...probably looking for attention.
The UK government debt has increased because UK pension fund holders have just lent them more money. Over the next many many years the government will return money, with the ore-agreed level of interest and indeed, borrow more money from the same and new pension fund holders.
So long as it can maintain the low rate, and continue to attract UK pension fund holders investment...there is no problem if the debt is increasing.
I know you don't understand...that is because you are thick.
the risk is not of any default, the risk is that the bond market would demand a higher rate of return or look for a safer haven for the money (at the moment there are only a couple of countries with a better credit rating)....the government doesn't want the higher rate as it would waste tax payers money.
We...the UK pension fund holders are predominantly “the bank”....we the UK population are debt holder ...the bank has plenty of money and the is happy with the rate of return....
If the UK government believes that there is a risk of not maintaining the rate or the total it needs to pay in interest is too high..it will adjust taxation or spending to control it.
I know you find these concepts hard to grasp, Stevie.
I know you are used to Latam politics/economics where your dung heap nations owe foreign bond holders billions and then refuse to pay....I am sorry it is not like that here.
I know you are used to Latam poverty and Latam corruption and try and make comparisons with the UK...I am sorry but it's not like that here.
You are an ignorant troll Stevie, a racist ignorant troll...if that's the best you can make of your life...it's a pity...probably a top 10%er in Uruguay...but if I were you I'd find something more constructive.
Perhaps try a bit harder at school
Ask Obama.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's at 17T.
He's seeing a problem. There, in the distance.
Looks like an iceberg.
You have lifeboats for everybody, or do you do a Titanic?
Please, carry on. At full speed, by all means...
I'll have a chivito...
Well now you understand that as one of the people who have loaned the government money...I don't wish for them to “pay their debts” at any different time and rate than we already agreed..
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also understand that the debt is no more “ left to our kids” than anything else they may inherit....which is one of the richest nations on earth...of which the debt is a tiny part of the total equity which they will inherit.
I am glad I have taught you something Stevie....perhaps if you weren't such a thick twat some of it would have sunk in.
My guess is not...and you will be back trolling next week...with these, and a whole set of new ridiculous communist/fascist mantras.
You poor (really poor) ridiculous fool.
And a Naranjita Lyda...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blob
Blob blob
“Malvinas: Timerman happy because region summit will state that the Islands are Argentine”
Jan 26th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad he is happy, as that's the nearest he'll get to his colonialist aspirations.
What Timerman really thinks about Cuba.
Jan 27th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Cuba-Hector_Timerman_0_1073293037.html
17 golfcronie
Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“99% of the population of “THE ROCK” in 1967 said they wanted to remain under British administration ... if a Referendum was to be conducted tomorrow the same result would come to pass.”
If the people in the Spanish border town La Linea (de la Concepción) were allowed to vote in the referendum and to follow its result, you can raise it to 99.6% and the border would move up to E-15.
“Malvinas: Timerman happy because region summit will state that the Islands are Argentine”
Jan 28th, 2014 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually they won't. I 100% guarantee that the communique will not say that the Falkland Islands are Argentine.
The summit will say something like:
“CELAC members support Argentina's legitimate rights over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and surrounding maritime spaces”.
It is hard to find anyone who will disagree with that. Heck I totally support Argentina's legitimate rights over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and surrounding maritime spaces.
However, Argentina has never been able to actually show any LEGITIMATE rights.
The UN and even the ICJ totally supports Argentina's legitimate rights.
legitimate
/lɪˈdʒɪtɪmət/
adjective
1. conforming to the law or to rules.
synonyms:
legal, lawful, licit, legalised, authorised, permitted, permissible, allowable, allowed, admissible, recognized, sanctioned, approved, licensed, statutory, constitutional, within the law, going by the rules, above board, valid, honest, upright;
antonyms:
illegal, illegitimate
2. able to be defended with logic or justification; valid.
synonyms:
valid, sound, admissible, acceptable, well founded, justifiable, reasonable, sensible, tenable, defensible, supportable, just, warrantable, fair, bona fide, proper, genuine, plausible, credible, believable, reliable, understandable, logical, rational
antonyms:
invalid, unjustifiable
Is it just me, or do all the above antonyms actually fit Argentina's claim better?
More bla bla bla bla bla?
Jan 29th, 2014 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ernie4001
Jan 29th, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. It will be just more blah blah blah from Argentina. And CELAC will respond with blah blah blah and nothing will change.
That seems to be Argentina's conundrum. Forever chasing a myth that it just can't get.
yankeetaxyboy feel so ashamed assume you're a farmer kelper you use that nickname?, hahaha que pelotudo you are, by some British soldiers were called boobies.
Jan 29th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why I see the English words strung together and yet it's just gibberish.
Jan 29th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No flinging poo in the dining room now.
@264 Argieputos
Jan 30th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ some British soldiers were called boobies.”
While you were fighting them?
Not very clever then were they?
Getting out the white flag that is the most important piece of Argentine military kit would have been more sensible...
#265
Jan 30th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the “English” is based on YODA from Star Wars !
Haha Clyde. But there would have to be wisdom on those words then and I've yet to see wisdom from any Malvinistas.
Jan 30th, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A myth they are chasing mmmm yes hehehehehehehe.
Myths to the dark side lead mmmmmm
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