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Mercosur/EU with their own problems still don't have a date to continue negotiations
Mercosur and the European Union continue to work on their tariff reduction proposals list but have no scheduled date for negotiators to meet and advance on a long delayed trade agreement according to Uruguayan diplomatic sources. However what is certain is that when the date is agreed it will be clear if Mercosur consensus proposal will include all founding members of the group. Read full article
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Jan 24th, 2014 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0But yes, we do have severe problems in the EU, from London to Rome, Paris to Madrid, and all points in between.
This will happen.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina might not be included but Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil will sign a deal. It's inevitable.
The Pacific Alliance members each have their own EU trade deals and are doing much better economically than every Mercosur member.
And all of them are far more interesting than Australia...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0See how many people cue up seeikng attention from us, Anglolatino?
2 Anglotino
Jan 24th, 2014 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Pacific Alliance members each have their own EU trade deals and are doing much better economically than every Mercosur member.
Jan 23, 2014
Blue Dollar 1/13.06
http://www.preciodolarblue.com.ar
Chuckle
I know Troy.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two Mercosur countries have an unofficial market exchange rate but in Pacific Alliance members do.
Do you know what the tanking exchange rate will do to inflation? It will skyrocket.
Will be interesting for sure.
You will be hooked!
Jan 24th, 2014 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0;)
@3 OFF TOPIC you tosser! just usual crap...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 TT - good point about separate deals, way to go Chile! They know how to do business.
Also, next summit in Caracas? Good Luck!
24000 violent deaths in 2013 (worse than Iraq etc.) no need for a link everyone knows!
current Blue Dollar 1/76.22 worst in the world!
http://dolartoday.com/
oh, and I am sure the EU leaders would welcome some hospitality at a well-known nightclub, may I humbly suggest;
http://dolartoday.com/
just a little social comment...
Stevie, you now may eat your biscuit, good little doggy! good little doggy!
You are right, lets talk about Argentina...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Jan 24th, 2014 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0umm... No. The article has the title of
Mercosur/EU with their own problems still don't have a date to continue negotiations - “Mercosur and the European Union continue to work on their tariff reduction proposals list but have no scheduled date for negotiators to meet and advance on a long delayed trade agreement according to Uruguayan diplomatic sources. However what is certain is that when the date is agreed it will be clear if Mercosur consensus proposal will include all founding members of the group.”
Argentina may be left out of the discussions, or put on a second-tier arrangement. That is the totality of the article, apart from a few weak excuses from Blanco.. and that Almagro is making alliances that do not include TMBOA and has gone directly to speak with Brazil about the future of LatAm.....
Next!
Mercosur use to have only one anchor dragging them behind, but since the illegal incorporation of Venezuela, that number has doubled.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Saying that, Uruguay isn't doing much better in terms of trade. add that, coupled with Argentinas continued attempts to hinder them in all areas of progression, then this trade deal will continue to rot.
The sensible countries should leave Mercosur while they can.
“Sensible countries”!
Jan 24th, 2014 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd say sensible COUNTRY. Seems there's only Paraguay. I'm starting to think the rest deserve each other.
We are doing enough to keep you lot talking about us.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Every single day.
All day.
You.
About us.
Fill the ranks.
;)
About US?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to burst your bubble Stevie, but nobody is direction their conversations towards Norway.
What US, are you taking about?
Oh, how very naughty of you, lot ;)
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0And all that without even mentioning Argentina...
Morning Stevie darlink, ARGENTINA is SHITE
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAPPY BUNNY NOW ARE WE
There you are!
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Told you you'd be here today too.
Slept well? Dreamt about Argentina?
Of course you did!
Now, talk.
@11 I agree with your statement, Paraguay is the most democratic of the lot. they actually know the meaning of relations and honesty.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil should be the forerunner, however they need to change there government, and follow the paths of the P.A.
Uruguay is starting to turn into a lost cause, lets just hope there up coming elections will prove more fruitful. In truth, they should cut ties with Argentina, they are doing them no favours.
Venezuela and Argentina are lost causes. Both have the potential to become major power-houses in global economics, but there current system of management has done way too much damage for there own good, corruption is the norm. It will take generations to sort those messes out.
We'll write your concerns down.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0In toilet paper.
Then we'll send it to Venezuela...
Keep talking...
I'm sure there is plently of A4 paper in Norway Stevie. there is no need to rub the Venezuelan noses in it.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are still confusing Norway with South America.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Choose your obsession, one at the time.
As I have said before, Brazil will go at this alone. My guess is they'll get their own deal against MS rules and the rest of MS will just ignore the infractions.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's really nothing more they could do.
It's not like they are going to expel or sanction Brazil.
Almagro, Gollum's little rent boy, looks like he was crying when he made this disasterous announcement (as far as The Dark Country is concerned).
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's the betting that TMBOA will find a way to screw the rest up before they can sign the agreement with the EU?
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Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one
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Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0like i said, Norwegian isn't my best spelling language, so i used Svenska.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Problem with that?
You are not living is S.A. Stevie, you have been found wanting.
Why pretend? Me, i am happy to announce that i live in Finland, why can't you admit your destination.
Troll nothing more, itching for a battle, trying to live upto your facade, and failing due to rage typing.
lol, pathetic in all honesty.
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Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor poor Stevie, trying to cover his mistakes.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0News Flash, it's gonna take more than that little one.
Keep trolling, you have been found wanting.
I'm everything BUT Norweigan, Rimmer.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now stay on topic.
Argentina.
Your reason of existance.
lol, the Norwegian/half breed troll, and he goes on about everyone else killing children. Remind us all here what happened on Utoya?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pot and kettle springs to mind.
Told you, I'm everything but Norweigan.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Swedish/Danish Uruguayan of Spanish/French/Portuguese/Italian/Greek/Russian roots.
With an ounce of Charruan blood.
I kiss no flag and spot on yours when need be.
But lets not talk about me.
Lets talk about the reason you all show up here each and every day.
Argentina.
;)
By the way, it's Utøya...
Still not living in South America though are you?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Found to be Wanting.........
lol
When you go on about Iraq? does it pain you that the Danes were there also? Do you put your own people into the children killing catagory?
I have been quite for way to long on these forums, but after reading all your pitiful comments, i have decided to post more often.
So Stevie, care to elaborate on the Danish being in Iraq and Afganistan?
Sure, Fogh Rasmussen is a war criminal, just like Bush and Blair.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should post even more often. Get it out of your system.
And talk about us.
;)
Sorry, i would love to garate you some more, however i'm now leavng for the Helsingin Messukeskuksessa for the AD-Vousikokous 2014.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have fun in Denmark, safe from all those CFK policies, riots and daylight robbery.
I'm not in Norway...?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#34 while I won;t outright accuse him of lying, I will say he is embarrassed of his location, hence the quasi-anonymity.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah Poppy, this is a lovely place!
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason I don't tell you is because you are so desperate to know.
I can't keep it onside me no more... My stomach tickles...
I'm in....
You know where that leaning tower is, the one that is famous for doing so?
How's the beach in Solymar, Stevie?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On holiday from Scotland but you seem to spend all your time closeted at your keyboard.
I note that you now “ us” and “we”, I come to the conclusion that either
1. You are a group team effort
2. It's the royal “we” and you are the official spokesman for the Casa Rosada
3. You suffer from skitsophrenia
If you are Uruguayan, why all this concern for what are internal Argentine politics?
redpoll
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sunni, that's a trait a share with you lot.
I'm interested in stuff that has nothing to do with me whatsoever...
Red you must have a typo Solimar according to Stevie
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He also wrote skisophrenia.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are quite sure it's schizophrenia.
Both of us...
Perhaps I should have written shitsofrenia instead?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or oregano...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something that commentators seem to ignore is a strange reality. Many EU members object to the negotiations with mercosur. But suppose, just suppose, the negotiations are “successful”. On the one hand, there are likely to be conditions that the EU will impose that the people of the mercosur member countries don't know about yet. A few minutes research will show the “conditions” that the EU has imposed on others with which it has trade agreements. These have included both domestic and international matters. For example, the EU has successfully demanded changes in foreign policies, in democratic and judicial processes, in “transparency”, in policies on narcotics, on corruption. The trading “partner” doesn't comply and it doesn't get access to the EU market. And that access can be cut off within hours. But there's another factor that the EU doesn't even try to take into account. It's known as “the people”.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the EU, many goods have to have proper labels indicating the country of origin. And what comes next is called “consumer choice”. It might be that, in Britain, many people will decide not to buy meat originating in argieland. New Zealand experienced a similar difficulty when UK consumers found that New Zealand lamb was slaughtered under a halal regime. Many Brits didn't like that. Consumption dropped. Imports dropped off. Welsh lamb is better anyway. The politics of consumerism! The customer is always right!
Sadly, the British consumer must demand “conditions” from the rest of the world in terms of “quality” products, because they no longer produce anything themselves. They are merely a financial services economy that booms and busts on the waves of the latest pecuniary scheme or Ponzi.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thus, while they demand, at the end of the day they don't have much choice on the cars they drive, the wines they drink, the tomatoes they eat, or the televisions they purchase, as none of that is made in the UK.
@45 Nevermind Tobi, at least we can buy what we want, when we want, from wherever we want, without a knock at the door from some government thugs ;)
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Europe we are already on candid camera or microphone no matter where we are. The government does not need to physically seek us, we have already surrendered our freedom of privacy to them. One of the things I find so unenlightened about our glorious EUian republics.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of many things, admittedly, albeit with some not so bad things intercalated therein.
I know Solymar, trapped as it is between the IB and the coast. Great beaches but the housing is a mishmash of medium and trash and not really worth bothering if you want your money back for the remaining partner OR insulation from the noise.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We played croquet there two years ago at the court built especially for croquet by a member of the British Embassy. Hell of a lot of racing traffic along the coast road and the ANCAP fuel station is built between the two lanes of it, smashes waiting to happen.
No, we dropped that from the list back in 2010.
Phew....
Jan 24th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 Fortunately, there are massive areas in Britain where there are NO cameras and NO microphones. They are only really installed where there are foreigners. It seems that there will soon be a need to install more surveillance equipment to catch the Scottish foreigners. Indeed, I have become so concerned about the potential influx of these barbarians that I have installed HD DVRs in my car and CCTV around my house. I am working on a lapel HD DVR. Everywhere I am, everywhere I go, whatever I do, it will all be videoed (sight and sound) and recorded.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Narine T. Nüster
Jan 24th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But yes, we do have severe problems in the EU, from London to Rome, Paris to Madrid, and all points in between”
Draw a straight line from London to Rome and what's “in between”? FRANCE
Draw an straight line from Paris to Madrid and what's in between? FRANCE and SPAIN.
So your statement makes no sense at all.
Come TTT, If you are going to pose as someone from the EU Please, please,please TRY and be convincing....
'cos right for right now, you are coming across as a fraud.
@45
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really need to get your facts right
Exports were worth £ 43440 MILLION in June 2013
Of which
1) 85% of exports were manufactured goods
2) 16% of the above was transport equipment
3) 10% was Chemical products
4) 9% was Machinery and equipment
5) 8% was Computer, electronic and optical goods
6) 8% was Pharmaceutical products
7) 7% was Refined Petroleum products
Don't bother to add up as I have only mentioned a few.
Do a bit of research, and you coming from an EU country, no wonder it has problems IF you are a citizen.
Only a few and you are already at 144%...
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Monkey, is this the mathemagic you were talking about?
20^3 was it?
That's 8000... and 2!
You obviously can not read and comprehend. Tell me what does this 20^3 mean?
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Narine certainly has some strange posting hours from the EU. Up at 4am posing away on another thread. My my must be a waitress or bartender.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby is a such a goofball
he really should be studied
@52 and 53
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exports were worth £ 43440 MILLION in June 2013
85 percent of U.K. exports are manufactured products
Of which :-
16% was transport equipment
10% was Chemical products
9% was Machinery and equipment
8% was Computer, electronic and optical goods
8% was Pharmaceutical products
7% was Refined Petroleum products
Don't bother to add up as I have only mentioned a few.
Do a bit of research, and you coming from an EU country, no wonder it has problems IF you are a citizen.
www.tradingeconomics.com
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good site to look at
UK US$ 2440 BILLION GDP
ARG US$ 475 BILLION GDP
Says it all really.
20^3 = 20*20*20
Jan 24th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 020e3 = 20*10^3
In the UK I think 2013 is the year before 2014, which is followed by 2015. I was giving a date. Perhaps you do not understand.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56 Thanks looks better now
Yes, and every Uruguayan between 16 and 18.... Is 17.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But that's not all, of every eight, four, is the half.
That's in 2015.
You better think about that.
Stevie,
Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Capitalists have no brain, maybe a flat pocket.
Just like Rome, Capitalism is passed...the transformation of values into wealth depends on many different factors...and capital is not the most important.
These guys are crazy swept...they are able to sell his own mother.
@ 61 Brasileiro
Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So tell us all how a country and its citizens can make money without any form of private enterprise?
We are all ready to be impressed.
Chris
Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So any form of private enterprise is now capitalism...
I think one form for socialism talks about breathing.
Ergo, if you breathe...
Socialism is by definition an alternative to capitalism, a non defined approach to deal with the problems capitalism leaves behind.
Nationalising aspects of common interest is a common trait of the different attempts on socialism.
Communism would be the other extreme, where all is owned by all.
With every ideology, a different grade of responsability is recquired.
From the “care for yourself” to the “group before the individual”.
and in the case of Argentina, the “Group” is the Government Insiders and Their Friends and Families”.
Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A certain person on here, who would have us believe in socialism but lives in a capitalistic environment making USD 150K per annum (if he is not lying about the RSV job), is a complete hypocrite.
Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He does lie about many things so it is impossible to believe anything he posts.
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Jan 25th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66
Jan 25th, 2014 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Brasiliero, my friend F**K OFF, you have nothing to add
Interesting. Mercopress has a site in Spanish from which the trolls are conspicuously absent. Wonder why?
Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 redpoll
Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do any of the multilingual Brits post on the Spanish language site?
Is it free of trolls?
Are discussions and debate, free and unmolested?
Who are the main participants or audience, Argentines, Brits??
Troy, to answer your questions.
Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no multilingual Brits.
It's free of practically everything, from credibility articles to attending audience.
The debates are free, unmolested, undebated and echoing in their tone.
The main participant would be you..
@ 69 Troy Tempest
Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget what the liar just said, I posted on the site but no-one else did from “either side”: the site was ignored.
That is not a surprise because the trolls only get paid for baiting someone to answer them. Never going to happen on a Spanish language site.
Thanks, Chris
Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is revealing to know that.
Obviously, the intended audience of the Trolls disinformation must be Europeans and the English-speaking World - those who might invest in Argentina or ally themselves with the CFK cause. Providing of course, if the international community becomes convinced by Troll propaganda and lies.
@70 How would you know? This site is supposed to be in English. Therefore, we Brits are barred from demonstrating our language skills. Unlike latams, we don't believe in ignoring rules for the sake of it. Not keen on “communicating” with faggots that use gibberish either!
Jan 26th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 Stevie
Jan 26th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There are no multilingual Brits.”
That sums up the creditability of all your posts.
I am new to this topic. But it seems to me, based on the last couple of articles on this subject, that 1. There isn't a set agreement on when EU/MERCOSUR will meet & 2. There are delays being caused by individual countries worrying and dealing with their own problems which seem to be more important.
Jan 28th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like immediate problems in the countries need to be looked at before entering into anything with EU. Considering that, apparently, EU will be enforcing certain conditions that will be imposed if an agreement is successful. Also, it doesn't seem that all the countries in MERCOSUR are in agreement with what is best for everyone?
Note: I am beginning to look into latin america (specifically Uruguay and Argentina) for a class at my university. I appreciate all constructive criticism and all points of views as I think they will help me better understand the current events. Thanks!
Argentina is currently the most protectionist country in the region, followed by Brazil. The reason is simple, they have a massive market they don't want to offer to foreign countries without sacrifying the domestic workforce.
Jan 28th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The intention is to create a domestic production that ensures jobs for all and a prosperous future.
In Europes case, you have mainly the French worrying that an FTA with SA will affect their domestic agriculural production, as this would be the main goods SA would have to offer.
Uruguay and Paraguay are always ready for a deal, as diversifying trade is crucial for countries of that size.
In Uruguay, people are sick and tired of the domino effect every time the bog ones falter. When Argentina sneezes, Uruguay catches a cold...
No, you had it right first time, the “BOG” ones falter.
Jan 28th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are more upset than usual, old man....
Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Want to talk about it?
77 Chris
Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is an interesting thread.
Posts @ 75 and 76 appear to be a classic “Dog & Pony Show”
I would be very surprised if “Andrea” were not a creation ( sock puppet) of “Stevie's ” who is the Sock puppet creation of El Thinko, maybe.
This is a great dramatic device for an “open-minded innocent” to spoon feed questions to the Sage, “Stevie”, who gives his helpful view of world politics and related economics.
I for one, am not buyin' it, Stevie
You could be right, personally I don't think there's more than 8 people in these threads either. Me included...
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