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Argentina rolls back dollar restrictions hoping to contain market volatility; Monday test day

Saturday, January 25th 2014 - 03:25 UTC
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Argentina lifted on Friday restrictions on personal US dollar purchases for citizens, ending a prohibition on greenback savings that began at the end of 2011. The new measures, which occur one day after both the official and parallel 'blue' dollar saw record rises, were announced in a short press conference by Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich and Economy Minister Axel Kicillof. The measures become effective from Monday onwards. Read full article

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  • Be serious

    Argentina is bust. Prepare for strikes, riots and anarchy. Whether Kirchner stays or not will make no difference.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    CFK going to Cuba.

    It will be interesting to see who goes with her, and if other members of her government leave for holidays etc.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Chilean perspective

    You're doing the right thing Kicillof.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    2
    You should care more about protecting your seniors from fire and your crackhead mayor instead.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (3) The Chilean perspective
    You say…:
    ”You're doing the right thing Kicillof.”
    I say…:
    We are in agreement......., my Shilean hermanito.

    Ps…:
    Interesting to see some international reactions to Kicillof’s little impertinent Queen's Gambit….
    1) The IMF leadership offered their “Immediate Help” to Argentina..., that’s the reason of our existence; their Chinese VP is reported to have said…
    2) The Spanish Stock Exchange fell ~4% on the “Argie Devaluation” news….
    3) Even the Chilean Peso down tour is being linked to the Argie actions of the past days.

    What a hysterical “Financial World” we have out there…
    Somebody should do something...
    Don't you Think? ;-)

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nightingale

    Argyland becoming one large shanty town... sweet :)

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    The sell off in emerging markets will have been a result of auto trading. Once v the arg ticker went off then that may have had a knock on effect on other currencies. As for the KO you described Think, long watt from it. Caves were closed down so trading would be way too thin for a realistic price to be settled upon. Furthermore, BCRA spent $160mml alone on Friday just trying to support the peso. That's almost $400 in three days. The altering of the cepo won't change anythingl much in the long term as demand outweighs supply and the economy needs US$. If week also be interesting to how many people actually get US$ on Monday. At some point, Mr Market will have to be let out of his cage and at that point we will see what the rules of the end game are going to look like.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    Seems like too little too late but hey. It might work.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    A simple question.
    Where are the US$ the 'people' are now going to be allowed to buy to come from?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    The Times has three articles and a leader on Argentinian financial mismanagement. It looks like the vultures in the City have got their gunsights on the Peso, seeing it as a massive shorting opportunity. No doubt this will add to KFCs woes. Monday onwards should be interesting....

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    For once the Lunatic of Chew Butt and me are pleased by the news:
    ”2) The Spanish Stock Exchange fell ~4% on the “Argie Devaluation” news….“

    TWO vultures with one stone: GREAT NEWS!

    Now to get the ”shorting” sorted out, we need TMBOA to be slung between two separate phases on the main transmission line to BsAs: death to TMBOA AND further blackouts in BsAs. Double win, that one.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Smart phones prices increase by 40% in 6 hours.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Inflacion-el-dia-en-que-el-precio-de-un-smartphone-crecio-casi-40-en-Argentina-20140124-0119.html

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Not much is going to happen Monday. Everyone thinking they can buy USD again and the black market disappearing is going to be out of luck.
    Kristina is just throwing some bread crumbs from the balcony trying to calm the peasants.
    P
    Argentinians only report a small percentage of their earnings to AFIP, so what are they going to do with the rest of their pesos?

    Like the article said, it does not solve the crux of the problem, which is excessive spending, mismanagement and corruption.
    The blue will be at 15 in march

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    Being reported in The British press that Cristina Kirchner as applied for the following job.

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/palace-seeks-housekeeper-run-baths-043021093.html#p0zB5lE

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (7) Welsh Wizard

    Whooooooooot?

    No comments on the 2013/2014 Argentinean harvest ?

    You seemed to have such a great insight about its catastrophic situation the other day together with that Yank Doomsday Prepper...

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    @ Think , No use squatting in Northern Europe looking at things through rose tinted glasses, Kirchner as foooked Argentina good and proper we can see it why can't you?????

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    I would be suprised if it is as good as the figures suggest. Happy to wait until the the final figure come out. All is flux at the moment in arg. I wonder what will happen when they take away support for the peso.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Tinaroom only like part of that IMF quote:
    “We are more than happy to help and this is very clear,” Min told the World Economic Forum in Davos, warning however that the IMF has had no official ties with Argentina since 2004.

    Head the warning, the IMF can and will lend U$ but and it is a BIG BUT when and only when Arg comes into alignment with ALL INTL commitments. And they are far from it.

    My guess is the USA wants Argentina to suffer and be used as an example of what happens when you go rogue, the drag on other economies is miniscule it will right itself quick enough.

    Silly Tinkaroo, are you ever going to apologize to me? Come on say it Yankee was right I was wrong Yankee was right I was wrong over and over until it doesn't hurt any longer.

    Psst your Soy crop estimates are WILDLY OPTIMISTIC like the mythical RG GDP growth number and just as fanciful. Soy will continue to trade down, probably way down. Plus why would a farmer sell at 8 when 15 is the right number? Pssst they won't.

    The soup is almost done...

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (17) Welsh Wizard

    You say...:
    “Happy to wait until the the final figure come out.”
    I say...:
    Me too....

    Ps...:
    Or you could continue your apocalyptic dialogues with the Doomsday Prepper at (18)...
    He is desperate to share his Cocke Delirium Visions with somebody....

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh its not just me,

    Soybeans for March delivery dropped 2.3 percent this week to $12.85 a bushel at today’s close on the Chicago Board of Trade. Prices, which fell 13 percent in the past eight months, are expected to drop $9.50 during the next 12 months, as record crops in South America and increased U.S. planting boost global inventories, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said in a Jan. 12 report.
    “I don’t think the devaluation is over,” Ricardo Negri, soybean farmer, said in a telephone interview from his Buenos Aires province ranch. “Theoretically, the devaluation is positive. But I do not trust this government.”

    Its everyone one. I've not seen so much bad news in my RG news feed since...well never.

    It makes me happy to be right.

    Ruff ruff...is that dinner? El Tinkaroo

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Today is Saturday. Today is day of War against the Capitalism and Capitalists...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdk2FcjZrSo&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&feature=mh_lolz

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    21. That's like having a war against wind you stupid Marxist.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    Tinky Winkey, the financial locusts are on their way, they can smell rotting flesh. RG woes are a splendid money makIng opportunity. This could affect the currencies of the whole of SA and will cause a lot of pain. You can forget buying those clapped out jet fighters as well as electronic goods and that nice whisky. Its all going to get a lot dearer. Best plan is to write a nasty letter to CFK, buy an air ticket to Europe and claim asylum.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @22
    Well it is to walk in the rain, dating a Chinese girl, listening to good music...
    There is no money to pay a thrill ...

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    islanders talking about soybean...lol
    soybean future market
    march 2014 price variation +7.25 u$s
    may 2014 price variation +6.25 u$s
    july 2014 price variation +5.0 u$s
    http://www.matba.com.ar/cierrematba.asp

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    25. That's from Bloomberg, are they located on the Falklands or in NYC?

    NYC a city you could only dream of visiting. My guess is USA will quickly start restricting travel visas from Argentina if they haven't done it already.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    My guess is that USA will open her legs not to lose Argentine tourists.
    It seems that you are an amateur capitalist.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    27. We took away the visa waiver last crash, this time we'll just block most applications. It is inevitable.
    We don't want Rgs tourists they don't spend any U$ and most of them stay in cheap Hostels.
    They can go to Brazil and get robbed on the beach.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Our beach thieves are smart. Only steal capitalists who do not speak Portuguese or Spanish.
    First Rule: Steal the moneyed.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    islanders talking about soybean LOL.
    HAHAHA
    “”Soybeans for March delivery dropped 2.3 percent this week to $12.85 a bushel at today’s close on the Chicago Board of Trade“”

    SOJA CHICAGO s/e 03/2014
    1277,50 1275,00 1270,50 1285,75 1284,75 1284,75 VARIATION: +7,25 U$S

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    24 Brassiere

    and now,
    no money to pay a Troll

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    31
    Brassiere? Am I?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    so funny these islanders are mocking about argentina´s situation.
    they live in a dump, regarded as parasites by the real british who pay real taxes, and dreaming that a tiny little oil well will save their sad lives.
    try to work once in a while, 3rd class plebs.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    30. Stupid Paul, you know why Soy went up on Friday? Because they think the Rg farmers are going to withhold the crops this year.
    So you lose on both ends.
    Good for the USA though
    We can always count on Arg f'ing up and us filling the orders.
    Thanks

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Sorry amateur, In the field of agriculture U.S. ceased to give orders.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I don't think for one moment any country wants to 'punish' Argentina or Argentineans. Any country in trouble affects the global markets - as we saw yesterday at the news of the falling Argentine peso. The IMF bent over backwards to try to get CFK's government to fall into line so they COULD help them. Unfortunately CFK's personality disorder prevents her from seeing sense.

    I suspect the penny has finally dropped and, ideals aside, the people around CFK know they have to take some drastic action and move away from the 'model'. I also suspect they are looking for a scapegoat for the inevitable economic meltdown and we are already seeing the message, “Big, bad, Capitalists have caused this”.

    Hopefully CFK will organise her retirement home in Cuba. One must assume she is going there way ahead of the summit so she can discuss the arrangements. A pound to a penny the Argentine masses are not going to have any patience with a part-time President as their standard of living deteriorates daily.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    35. Do you live in the real world or just a fantasy land created by a warped mind? The USA is and always will be the worlds number 1 farm exporter. We are the best and the most efficient. I doubt there is 1 farm category where anyone sells more than us.

    Elaine, I think you are wrong, USA Govt shut out Arg a long time ago. They will let them suffer for awhile then help once Arg meets all the demands and pays up. They will not deal with CFK she is nuts and nobody will even give her Amb the time of day.
    Arg used to be a linchpin for SA. It lost that status long ago, their spiraling out of control will not effect any of the USA allied nations. Brazil may have to step in, which I think the USA wants so its time and money are spent in SA not bothering the big boys.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @36 even if the people around CFK want to move away from the model, they won´t until CFK leaves. Unfortunately, she plans to stay until the very end. There´s also the problem of who´s replacing her if she gets kicked out before the elections. Boudou can´t do the job, and Rojkes isn´t to be trusted.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    I still cannot forget DannyGerber comments: “Argentina is not in crisis at all !!!”..ha ha ha

    Yesterday I talked to lots of people in Argentina and they told me that all the businesses are on hold. For instance, a big steel company by the name of Siderar refused to sell a rolls of steel simply because they don't have any price reference. It's customer had to stop the production due to lack of raw material.

    Other components, like bearings, had their prices 60% more expensive in a day !!!!

    The Batata Queen escaped to Cuba, a day earlier from planned, not to be asked by the press. She has been absent during the last three months in several crisis, police trickes, riots, blackouts due to lack of electricity, trying to preserve her “good name and prestige”.

    The Economic Team changed some decisions taken a couple of days before for just the opposite ones....my brother told me,laughing, “Gral Galtieri was less improvised than these useless”.

    They promissed they will release the access to U$D for the common people but the real thing is that there is not enought dollars. Basically the demand is greater than the reserves.

    Poor President Julio Argentino Roca...being the face of the AR$ 100 bank notes !!! he really doesn't deserve this.

    The next two year will be very difficult ones...for sure...

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    The woman has no pulse .... Kicilof, Moreno, Bodou (elections now!)

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    No..no...no...I want her as President until the very last day of her term.

    People must learn the real face of peronism...She must take respopnsibility of what she had done..at least pay the political prices. She and the whole peronism must be sent to political ostracism as the UCR so Argentina can start a “regular” and rational political process..

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Argentina is from Argentineans..

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    YPF on Argentinean hands, already producing more…
    2014 Argentinean harvest going groovy…
    Paris Club re-payment on its way…
    Gramercy plan proceeding fine…
    Dollar on a competitive level…
    Everything quite cool…

    Now, we have to concentrate our best efforts in the following…:
    1) Controlling inflation..., it’s getting kind of annoying...
    2) Getting rid of many of the corrupts still in power...
    3) Educate Argie turnips like posters (39) & (40)...

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Yankeeboy

    I must admit I'm intrigued about you. Wherw have you been born? How is that you lived in Argentina? Where? Where are you linving now?

    I worked in an american company in Buenos Aires many years and some of the people (from the headquarter) that had visited us mentioned that they always felt “confortable and at home” there. Most of them compared Buenos Aires to Mexican cities where there were plants and they loved Buenos Aires.

    Regards

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @37 Shutting out a country is different to punishing it. They decided not to do business with Argentina because the country is being run by a mad, unpredictable woman. (yeah, I know it hasn't stopped them dealing with other mad dictators but Argentina is far less important).

    The IMF has been making tut-tut noises at CFK's government without actually doing anything because they do not want to be blamed for this financial crisis. I have posted at length about the culpability for the last crisis and whilst the IMF and speculative investors must hold some blame, by far the most at fault was Argentina. However the current government has perpetuated the myth that it was all the fault of the bankers and the IMF deliberately scuppering the wealth and prosperity of Argentina. This time they cannot claim it was anyone's fault but the K's 'model'. (OK, they will, but only the blindly faithful will believe it).

    Looking at the bigger picture for a moment, and this is JMO, I doubt the current US administration is expecting Brazil to do anything to help Argentina. South American countries will do what they can to mitigate the effects of the Argentine financial meltdown but Brazil is, at last, looking outwards and that is unlikely to change.

    And the even bigger picture - off topic but somewhat related - the US is still the only superpower at the moment and for sometime to come but I suspect history will cite the moment the US did not go into Syria and allowed Putin to play the master of diplomacy as a key turning point. Obama's failure to place importance on foreign policy has allowed Putin's Russia to become a major player again and gain considerable control and influence in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. The US will not lose superpower status but they may well have equal rivals in the long-term.

    Back on topic. I sincerely hope the folks around CFK talk her into retiring on health grounds before the mobs get to her.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @41 Unfortunately, without a credible alternative all this mess will cause is making it easier for Peronists to buy people. Peronism still controls everything and they are the only ones that can keep the trade unions, punteros and government mafias under control.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @pgerman
    “Poor President Julio Argentino Roca...being the face of the AR$ 100 bank notes !!! he really doesn't deserve this. ”

    Maybe he does deserve it - bad karma. :(

    Maybe you need the face of a Mapuche woman on the 100 pesos (like we have) to improve the karma. :)

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    As for Monday I am ambivalent but will post the old saying:

    SHIT OR BUST TIME FOLKS!

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Think, you and DannyGerber cannot avoid insulting people simply because all of you are fascist-peronists. That's the reason why you insult the islanders, other argentine people that thinks differently from you, british people.

    In addition, you are out of the reality.

    “YPF on Argentinean hands, already producing more?” Simply extracting more oil from the same oil wells. There is not U$D to invest and they don't have the technology. I must admit that the Government increase the internal price reaching logical levels...after ten years....

    2014 Argentinean harvest going groovy…yes thei Government that promissed industrialization ended dependeing on the soy. That is due to farmers work and effords.

    Paris Club re-payment on its way…bla bla bla...after having ignored it (keeping Argentina in the doubtful world record of being 12 year “in default”) they wanted to listen Paris Club demands...but Paris Club requires a first payment of U$D 2,000 million in cash to start a discussion...but there is not that money to pay whithout dangerously reducing the reserves.

    Gramercy plan proceeding fine…stop smoking pot !!!!

    Dollar on a competitive level…what's the real price of the U$D. After years of dennying any AR$ devaluation (CFK even promissed that ob TV)
    they finnally were forced to devaluate. Facts step CFK above !!!
    Anywya she is a liar..we all know that.

    Everything quite cool…yes for you...because you don;t work...you don't have to take responsibility over a family....I bet you run to ask for the new 'Ni-Ni” subsidise....

    Now, we have to concentrate our best efforts in the following…:
    1) Controlling inflation..., it’s getting kind of annoying...why? It doesnt' exist !!!...it was 10, 5 during 2013
    2) Getting rid of many of the corrupts still in power...yes..she and the whole peronist party
    3) Educate Argie turnips like posters (39) & (40)...don't worry about me. I'm not living in Argentina right now.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (47) Condorito

    She wasn't' Tehuelche but Woman she was
    http://www.monedasbilletes.com/demo/img/g/BC001.jpg

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    roca was a curse, but, a mapuche woman?
    no way
    a tehuelche woman maybe.
    sadly they were massively killed by the mapuches.

    http://interdefensa.argentinaforo.net/t2221-la-verdad-tehuelche-y-la-gran-mentira-mapuche
    http://interdefensa.argentinaforo.net/t2221-la-verdad-tehuelche-y-la-gran-mentira-mapuche

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @51
    not sure she's going to improve the karma

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    42 Bizarro

    “Argentina is from Argentineans.. ”

    Did anyone say different?

    BTW,
    what is an “Argentinean”, exactly??

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    55
    Malvinas are Argentine, I know that

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (54) Condorito

    Compared to J.A. Roca; even an Araña de Rincón would be a Karma improvment......

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Elaine, Remember the crazy Potato head man Timmerman boarding a USA military jet and commandeering equipment?
    Well we do
    Funny how right after that happened The Arg Ambassador was blacklisted and Arg disbursements from IMF IDB WB were greatly reduced and/or declined.
    Coincidence?
    Methinks not

    We have a long memory and are vindictive.
    and Payback is a b*tch

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    I got bitten by an “Araña de Rincón” - my karma is ... well, Yayita knows.

    http://quedateaki.co/es/caricaturas/historieta.php?cod=1178

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Beginning to feel a bit sorry for the ordinary Argentine citizens. They deserve better.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Violino.....Good....Music!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BydBT6pEqz4

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (59) Condorito
    So you got one of those hour long hard ones?
    I bet Yayita was extatic.... ;-)

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @58 Oh, I don't doubt any of that. Timerman is a complete twat who basis foreign policy on gaining favour from CFK. He plays to an audience of one mad bint. You would think his life depended on her good favour.

    However, Argentina is just not that big of a deal to the US. IMO. Under the current administration nothing beyond the US border is of any importance. It is convenient to ignore Argentina and be looking the other way when they want to be rescued from the sinking ship but vindictiveness is doubtful. It is like ignoring the naughty child rather than confronting and punishing the behaviour. Though to ignore a child can be just as punitive. That said, it would be foolish for anyone to underestimate the power of the US even if it is not overt.

    I appreciate your strong feelings about Argentina, their mismanagement of their economy and the corruption inculcated into society. It rubbed me the wrong way when I was living there and I have met a LOT of people who share that opinion. It is not without reason that there is a very negative opinion about a certain type of Argentine and the cultural scamming. I hear it from other South Americans too. That said, I still have a strong affection for the place and the Argentines that are as sick of it as we are. One of my favourite places in the world is in Argentina. The difference is I can tolerate it because I accept it is their mess, not mine, and I have a choice where I live. I also have the right to criticise it; we all do.

    It would be a mistake to think the few nuts and slathering CFK devotees are representative of Argentina.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Think,
    You asked for a comment on the Argentine harvest. Perhaps you should tune into your rural channel (726 on Direct TV)
    Some of the farmers in the Chaco have abandoned their chacras all together.
    Others are getting yields of 500 to 1500 kgs per hectare
    The break even point is two tons just to cover costs
    I'm not gloating but as a fellow farmer sympathise with their bad luck.
    Farming isn't an industry engaged in under a roof and we are subject to the vagaries of climate

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Think
    “picado de la araña” is a chronic condition ;)

    Even further off topic, but not unrelated ... no Camila in Bachelet's gabinete. Commiserations :(

    @Elaine
    “It would be a mistake to think the few nuts and slathering CFK devotees are representative of Argentina.”

    A few?

    Even educated Argies buy in to conspiracy theories too easily. I am always surprised by how universal the belief is that the 2002 crash was the result of a concerted international assault on Argentina.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (64) redp0ll

    I'm not gloating either...
    As a human being I sympathise with the bad luck of any fellow human...
    Luckily, there is often a good vicar (with a sweet little wife) on the spot to help the most needy....

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    One of the things that is most disorienting for revisionist pseudo - historians is that when Gral J. D. Peron nationalized the railways in Argentina he directly instruct the names of each of the major branches that connected to the whole country .

    FFCC Gral San Martin and FFCC Gral Belgrano were acceptable names for the General poodles but they were surprised by the names of the other railways lines :

    FFCC General Urquiza
    FFCC General Sarmiento
    FFCC General Mites
    and finally , FFCC General Roca.

    These four characters of the Argentine history were freemasons and , therefore , hated by the catholic, nationalists and fascist who were following General Peron. He didn't want to listen any against these names and stubbornly keep them. General Peron was clearly a fascist , as Gral Stroessnerr or Gral Pinochet, but he was not stupid and knew about Argentina history enough so as to recognize the merits of these men.

    Today still , for fascist-Peronist, have to admit this fact makes them a headache. Not to mention the psuedo - revisionist historians , O'Donnell , Pigna, etc,..they simply prefer to avoid this part of the history.

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  • Think

    (65) Condorito (#)

    Shileno mandaparte y creido ;-)

    Even further off topic, but not unrelated ... not displeased at all with the new Education Minister....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khgkUybVrd0

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  • Brasileiro

    General Rio de Janeiro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JULv_VlPwQ4&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A

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  • Troy Tempest

    55,56 Brazillo

    ”42 Bizarro

    “Argentina is from Argentineans.. ”

    Did anyone say different?

    BTW,
    what is an “Argentinean”, exactly??
    56 Brasileiro (#)
    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:37 pm
    Report abuse
    55
    Malvinas are Argentine, I know that“

    Are you able to define ”Argentinian“, so that we can make sense of your post?

    Or did it just sound like a good slogan at the time, without really understanding what it meant??

    Does ”Stevie” need to lend you his (fully indoctrinated) brain?

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  • ElaineB

    @65. I was referring to the wind-up merchants on this forum.

    More generally, it is not so hard to understand when nationalism is at the core of Argentine thinking. Peron was very clever in inculcating the idea that to criticise or question anything the government did was to criticise EVERYTHING Argentine, even themselves. He also led them to believe that Argentines are superior to everyone and God loves them best.

    I remember taking some Chileans to Argentina for the first time and their complete shock at the reality. That Argentines are generally poorer and their cities are not all that. Until then they had believed the Argentine myth. Though they very much enjoyed the cheap prices.

    Actually, Chileans could do with adopting a little of that flair for self-promotion, they have the most beautiful country in every way but still don't see the full potential for tourism. The times I have heard a Chilean say, “But why would anyone come here?” I guess they must be used to seeing beauty at every turn.

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  • yankeeboy

    71.Argentinians were extremely isolated from 40-90s. Only the very rich and privileged could afford to travel so it was easy to keep up the myth that Argentina was as good as or better than NYC LONDON PARIS.
    They myth fell apart when the peso was 1/1 and middle class Rgs could see they were being lied to.
    It is exactly what they do in North Korea and China.
    Sad but true
    Plus as it was so shall it be again
    They are in for another bout of isolation
    I think they've seen the last new electronics for a long long time.

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  • ElaineB

    @72 Good point.

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  • Brasileiro

    General!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyUVzu6dwRY&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A

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  • Troy Tempest

    71 ElaineB

    “I remember taking some Chileans to Argentina for the first time and their complete shock at the reality. That Argentines are generally poorer and their cities are not all that. ”

    Very illuminating, Elaine. Thanks.

    Stevie, Think, Brassiere, (or all aliases)

    Is this true, what Elaine says ?

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  • Stevie

    No

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Why?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @66 totally off topic as usual Think
    What has tee victory of Sunderland , managed by an uruguayo Poyet, got to do with this headline?
    But while we are at it, your side kick A voice who supposedly lives in Hartlepool seems to be unaware of the victory.
    As to rat lines that you mentioned in a previous thread,didn't they go outt with the age of sail?
    Oh I forgot. The ARA Libertad is a sail frigate. How's the state of her rigging?
    Perhaps you referred to rat lines as something else
    As an assiduous reader of the South Georgia News you may have read of the elimination programme of rats there, resulting in the increase of the endangered South Georgia pipit
    Perhaps the programme should be extended to Chubut.
    How's your tolerance to Warfarin, Think?
    BTW, I know perfectly well who you are, but choose to respect your anonymity and not make snide attacks on your family

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  • paulcedron

    funny
    the isleño / yankee chav compares london and nyc (lol) with paris (?)
    now he´s going to compare his paradise on earth, miami, with barcelona, or las vegas with rome.
    what a planker.

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  • Stevie

    Not sure, could be pathological, a result of monolingualism, or just an attempt to wind some porteños up.

    Either way, South America's beauty doesn't depend on borders, nor does these mark any end or beginning of such...

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  • Brasileiro

    Thanks

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    .

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  • Stevie

    redpoll
    The brain wants more than the body can handle?
    Here's another go...

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  • ElaineB

    @80 I didn't say Argentina is not beautiful. I did say one of my favourite places in the world is there. My point is that Argentines like to project the myth that their country is the most beautiful, they are wealthy and superior to other SoAm countries.

    The Chileans had a great time but were surprised at the reality. And a little more proud of their country.

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  • Condorito

    @Troy
    I don't doubt that Elaine is relating a real situation.

    The circumstances are as much to do with history as with the Argie myth machine. Argentina always was superior to her neighbors in so many ways in terms of economy, culture, education and quality of life.

    In the early 90s Chile overtook Argentina in terms of GDP per head and since then has surpassed Argentina in not only pretty much every economic metric but many social/development metrics too.

    Hence when (particularly older Chileans) travel to Argentina they are surprised to see that general conditions are poorer than here.

    What is curious is that when the reverse was true, any Chilean would acknowledge it, but now the roles are reversed many Argies have a really hard time with it. You will see some of the posters here practically spit venom at the notion that Chile is now, on the whole, a wealthier and safer place to live than Argentina.

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  • Stevie

    As they should be.
    But you are weaseling, my lady, I am sorry say.
    You clearly stated Chile IS more beautiful, as a fact.
    That might be your truth and by all means, stick to it.
    It is still your truth and not the general truth.
    It's a matter of taste...

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  • redp0ll

    Stevie,
    Interesting names your relations have. Perhaps your Gallego grandad was named Jodete Cabron?

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  • Troy Tempest

    79 PaulCedron

    ”funny
    the isleño / yankee chav compares london and nyc (lol) with paris (?)
    now he´s going to compare his paradise on earth, miami, with barcelona, or las vegas with rome.
    what a planker.“

    Paul,
    What do you know? You've never traveled to ANY of those places - not are you likely to do so, now.

    You are just as Yankeeboy said, not being one of CFK's ”privileged“, you do not travel and you believe what they tell you.

    You only confirm your ignorance and how you've been duped, by repeating stupid propaganda.

    Meanwhile,
    CFK and Max, your Campora leader, have robbed your people of their wealth, and your generation of their potential.

    Just waiting for them to declare the next ”Class Enemy”

    :-D yep, we're laughing at you!

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  • Brasileiro

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  • yankeeboy

    My Rg friends that I take to NYC, the first thing they say is “they have no idea” meaning the Rgs who can't travel internationally which is 99.5% of them would never believe it.
    I had to chuckle the 1st time someone took me down Corrientes Ave and tried to tell me it was like 42 St/Times Square
    its not
    And my Real Estate Agent as I was looking at the RDP from my terrace said “just like NYC huh”?
    I said, you've obviously have never been there.

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  • Think

    (78) redp0ll
    You say...:
    “ I know perfectly well who you are, but choose to respect your anonymity and not make snide attacks on your family”
    I say...:
    Snide attacks on ones family?
    Let's recapitulate what I wrote on my post (66), shall we?...:
    ”Luckily, there is often a good vicar (with a sweet little wife) on the spot to help the most needy....“
    Let's now refresh what you, Mr. Redpoll told me ~one year ago...:
    ” 50 redpoll (#) Jan 05th, 2013
    Well Think my daughter did marry a Parson in darkest Bradistan (Bradford to you) so I suppose God may have summat to do with that...“
    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/05/murdoch-s-the-sun-tells-cristina-fernandez-hands-off-the-falklands#comment203927
    May I ask what ”Snide Attack on Ones Family” are you speaking about?

    You say further…:
    ”How's your tolerance to Warfarin, Think?”
    I say…:
    Well….. If you ”Knew Perfectly Well Who I Am”, you would know that, wouldn’t you?
    Anyhow…., I know that MercoPress has delivered my Registration Identity and Email to some Folks in them Islands….
    Wouldn’t surprise me that they also delivered that same information to an English Rancher in Uruguay…

    Furthermore…:
    If you ”Knew Perfectly Well Who I Am”, you would know that the only thing Mr. A_Voice, Mr. DoveoverDover, Mr. Chicureo, Mr. Heisenbergcontext etc. etc. etc. have in common is that none of us are Turnips…

    To finish…:
    I’m very happy about the South Georgia pipit stock increase ;-)))

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  • paulcedron

    trolo
    “You've never traveled to ANY of those places”

    luckily i had the chance to visit them.
    not so fortunately i have been to london...during the riots.
    disgusting.
    and luckily, or not, i have never been to the islets.

    england is not one of the most beautiful places of the planet, is it?
    maybe that´s why they insist in steal and occupy the land of other countries (malvinas, gibraltar, esequibo, chagos, and the list goes on)

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  • ElaineB

    @86 Ah, using 'most' in a different context. A quirk of the English language. “You have the most beautiful house”, “You have the most beautiful children” emphasis on 'the' does not imply they are more beautiful than others. It is used to indicate high praise. To clarify, I think Argentina is a very beautiful country and have said as much on many occasions.

    @85 Good points. The Chileans I travelled with were of mixed ages and at different times. I said nothing in advance and let them draw their own conclusions. I am in the habit of telling Chileans they have a very beautiful country and have a good standard of living in comparison to their neighbours but they tend to have a trait shared with the English where we like to have a good moan about things. After a trip to Argentina they were not complaining but a little more proud of their country.

    That said, we all had a great time and I enjoyed bringing together Chilean. Argentinean and Peruvian friends. There was a lot of friendly banter but I bore the brunt of it. :)

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  • Marcos Alejandro

    90 yankeeboy “just like NYC huh”?
    Hell no.
    Any comments on the two Universities shooting the last few days?
    Or perhaps the mall shooting a few hours ago near your beloved Washington?

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  • golfcronie

    @94
    There are a few rotten apples in every barrel, tell me how many disappeared, 30,000 wasn't it, one way flight by plane. What about all the children that were abducted and handed over to the military to be brought up as their sons and daughters. PO KETTLE BLACK

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  • paulcedron

    “And my Real Estate Agent as I was looking at the RDP from my terrace said “just like NYC huh”? ”
    while “his” (lol) agent showed him a château in villa 31.
    it was all the poor thing could afford.
    probably his resentment comes from there.

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  • Stevie

    Elaine
    See?
    Now you are weaseling again... you did add “in every way”, hence disqualifying you excuse as a flavour of the language...

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  • ElaineB

    @96 Such a silly comment. Why do you stoop to making such ridiculous comments?

    I lived in an amazing apartment in BsAs (eventually) and loved my time there but it is a concrete city and ugly in places. I think the estate agent was alluding to all the numerous tall buildings they have in BsAs but NYC it is not. It is different and I was fortunate to be in a good(ish) area, overlooking the polo club and close to the parks, some great nightlife and restaurants.

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  • Troy Tempest

    89 Brassiero

    “Portuguese gibberish”

    Translation?:

    “hahahaha joke ......

    I'm eating a rib these English we are whistling in my Soft-Book.
    Poor soul and money!”

    You don't make sense in either language, it seems.

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  • Brasileiro

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  • ElaineB

    @97. I get it, you don't understand the nuances of the English language in my original statement but I have qualified my meaning and you should be able to understand it now. Do I need to say it again using words of one syllable?

    If I thought Chile was the only beautiful country in South America I would state that. I have no reason to protect your feelings. :)

    What do you think will happen in Argentina on Monday when people try to get hold of their dollars? Will there be queues around the block? Or do you think people will not want to declare their true earnings to get the much coveted dollars?

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  • Monkeymagic

    Paul

    “England is not one of the most beautiful places in the world”....lol

    Clearly written by someone who has never been there.....or perhaps left his own village.

    There are beautiful places in pretty much every country, in England there are some really beautiful places, the lake District, the Cotswolds, the North Yorkshire Moors, the New Forest....to name just a few.

    There are also beautiful places in Argentina...

    As far as land belonging to other countries is concerned...that made me laugh....

    The places you list don't belong to “other countries”, in fact from your list on Gibraltar ever did.

    Of course, when Gibraltar belonged to Spain....much of the Americas belonged to.....oh yes...not the current occupiers....must because it's so beautiful that the Americans...(north and South) decided to steal it.

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  • redp0ll

    Think I will reply later,
    To throw a stone in the pond, is Cristina in her white dress going to marry Capatanich? Lots of rumours on the net which can be googled on amores de Cristina?

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  • yankeeboy

    102. They must not get Downton Abbey in Argentina!

    I think he was talking about the high buildings too but anyway it will never be NYC it's just too poor.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

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    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Didn't Toby spam the board for a couple days with music too?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    105 is that an exhibition of cannibalism in Brazil or some sort of sexual comment?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    To all those that don't understand the “nuances” of the English language spoken by ElaineB.....:

    ElaineB said on Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:27 am….:
    ”The price of a Samsung Galaxy S4 phone rocketed from 7,999 pesos to 11,518 pesos on Thursday according to pictures posted on Reddit.”
    http://en.mercopress.com/2014/01/24/argentina-in-chaotic-trading-dollar-jumps-12.4-in-one-day-to-8-pesos-in-the-official-market#comment302111

    El Think says…:
    O’RLY.......?
    The price of a Samsung Galaxy S4 phone seems to have rocketed down to 6,799 pesos according to the website of one of the best electronics shops in Buenos Aires…..
    http://en.mercopress.com/2014/01/24/argentina-in-chaotic-trading-dollar-jumps-12.4-in-one-day-to-8-pesos-in-the-official-market#comment302111

    Lies have short legs ElaineB….
    Very short, ugly, fat legs…

    (103) redp0ll
    If I was a woman, I would take Axel... No question about it!
    http://en.mercopress.com/2014/01/24/argentina-in-chaotic-trading-dollar-jumps-12.4-in-one-day-to-8-pesos-in-the-official-market#comment302111

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  • Troy Tempest

    105 Brassiero

    “Man eating their wives... ”

    ...Whatever that means?

    Are you Rob Ford?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I think Argentina will stay just as beautiful as Chile...

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Here is what Elaine was posting about:

    FINANCE More: Argentina Currency Samsung Galaxy S4 Active
    What Argentina's Currency Devaluation Did To The Price Of A Samsung Galaxy S4 Is Completely Insane
    LINETTE LOPEZ
    JAN. 24, 2014, 4:12 PM 9,784 10

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    Earlier this week Argentina devalued its peso, and the bond market responded by punishing the country by pushing the cost to insure the country's debt to a three-month high.

    Over the week, the peso has fallen 15% against the dollar.

    That's the drama playing out in financial markets, but this devaluation has meant major changes for everyday consumers as well.

    Conz Preti at Buzz Feed tweeted out this picture from Reddit, user al19. It's the price of a Samsung Galaxy S4 phone at a store called Gabarino (it's like Best Buy) in Lanuús, Argentina. In 6 hours, the price of one phone sky rocketed from 7,999 pesos to 11,518 pesos.

    You're looking at a check-out computer in the store. You'll note the date and the time in the top red rectangles. The price is to the side.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-samsung-phone-in-argentina-2014-1#ixzz2rRgFke6z

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  • Brasileiro

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    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    http://www.electronextshop.com.ar/apple-imac-me089_322xJM

    35K!! for an Apple Imac that costs $1900 in the USA 18/1
    One year of the average salary in Argentina!

    My guess is they have not updated the web site in awhile either. I bet you can't even get it at that price any longer.

    That's the last Apple product they'll see in a long time.

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  • paulcedron

    98 elaine
    funny both you and yankee chav have lived in amazing apartments here (islanders living in amazing apartments in b.a? = weird).

    maybe, if you had visited some more cities, or if you had studied urbanism a bit more, you would have realized that all big cities have “ugly” places.
    not only the marginal areas, but also transfer centers, some commercial areas, etc.

    about a “concrete city”, i assume you are referring to downtown buenos aires, not to palermo, belgrano r, colegiales, nuñez, etc.
    pretty similar to some other big cities in latin america.

    by the way, polo club?
    what polo club? atalaya polo club?, jockey club?
    did you live in san isidro?
    or is it the campo argentino de polo?
    that is palermo, and you said in other comments you lived in recoleta.
    try google maps next time.

    finally, it is the first time i hear somebody comparing b.a. with new york.

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  • Brasileiro

    Monkeys in new England talks?
    Public School, no PHD....is Yankeboy. não é?
    Too burrito for think......like the middle us-american.

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  • ElaineB

    @110 I agree. The natural beauty will endure.

    @111 Yes, thanks, I did reference the source of my comment. Thingy obviously missed it.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    116. He didn't miss it. He's spent the last couple days trying to find a link to prove you wrong.
    Like we care

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    114 Paultroon

    “finally, it is the first time i hear somebody comparing b.a. with new york.”

    You idiot, her exact words were, “ but NYC it's not”

    Exactly the opposite to what YOU said.

    LOL, bonehead!!

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @117 I guess.

    @114 I have never said I lived in Recoleta. On short stays in the city I used to stay at an hotel in Recoleta (and a few other places in the city), I never had an apartment there.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    35K!! for an Apple Imac that costs $1900 in the USA 18/1

    Average uk PRICE £1600

    Brasileiro
    You keep posting the same videos that have nothing to do with the subject Why

    Your reference to the theme music of Hawkeye and the Last of the Mohicans --again why ? Here is a piece of information for you, it was written by Scottish Folk singer Dougie MacLean as the film has certain Scottish content in Colonel Munro and his daughters .

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Instagram has numerous pictures of items and their prices in Argentina. I suspect people are fed up with the government lying about inflation.

    I ltr icecream 138 pesos.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    dear troyana
    why so aggressive?
    is it because of your period?
    and where did i say that elaine was the one who compared n.y. and b.a.?
    i was referring to the real estate agent.
    never heard an inmobiliaria comparing b.a. and n.y.
    got it?

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  • yankeeboy

    122. My guess is you've never seen the buildings I was looking at renting. I am pretty sure they wouldn't have allowed you past the front door.
    He was a pretty good agent though but he clearly had never been out of BA.
    In was right after the crash I am sure he was very happy to have an American with U$ looking for a long term rental!

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    At a Falabella store in downtown Buenos Aires , the price of a Whirlpool 80X1 model refrigerator

    has risen to 27,499 pesos ($3,437) from 21,199 on Jan. 22.

    Bloody hell! What does it do?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Elaine,
    Falabella store?
    They sell miniature shrunk ponies too?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    122 Paultroon

    Your post referred to post @ “98 Elaine”

    Now you are back-pedalling to cover up being such a dolt.

    Paul, I've noticed that you are intellectually lazy - you misquote, attribute quotes to the wrong posters, and forget the information other posters mentioned earlier.
    You confuse Americans with Islanders, Yankeeboy very definitely is NOT an Islander - does he 'sound' like one??

    You really don't know anything except the tripe you've been spoon fed all your indoctrinated life.

    YOU would really benefit by travel - you might be a bit 'dis-illusioned' at first, though.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Chilean perspective

    I'm very happy at the changes proposed by Kicillof. The BCRA is wasting at least 100 million a day propping up the Peso which is a waste since the daily amount traded is about 200 anyway, so stop the cepo and have free access it will cost more but not much more. As a side effect it will kill the black market dollar and bring back some stability. I know Yankee will say that reserves will dry up, but harvest is coming soon and with a more competitive peso farmers will cash in faster, you need money to re sow your fields and improve your farms. Kicillof has to put the emphasis on exports and not on consumption as much. Too much consumption/money supply= inflation. I see a painful 2014 but if they keep their nerve they can fix this.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    Gazing into her crystal ball way back in 2010 a wise lady aked the following

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8169552/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-questions-the-mental-health-of-Cristina-Kirchner.html

    SHE WAS RIGHT TO QUESTION

    JAJAJA

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  • ElaineB

    @127 You make some interesting points and to an extent I agree with you. What they cannot control is people's reaction (panic) and the outside influences to their market.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    123
    i guess you have never been to buenos aires.
    or, maybe, you have lived in some kind of dump.
    that´s the reason of all your resentment.

    well, you can also have all that resentment because you were rejected for being a big ball of fat, bigmac eater.
    do not take it as something personal.

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  • Andy65

    @ paulcedron, How rude to call Yankeboy a big ball of fat,he bares no resemblance to Maximo Kirchner

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    127. You forget that the seeds and fertilizer for the SOY is priced in U$ not pesos. Plus why would someone buy in U$ sell in Pesos for 1/2 of what the market prices is?
    It is a very fast way to go out of business.

    130. I'll give you a hint I lived in the same building as Mercedes Sosa and Daniela Cardone. Although I never met either one. If you are brave enough go ask the doorman if an American that had a Mercedes SEL ever lived there. I was the only one.

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  • Marcos Alejandro

    This week in Yankeeland..
    “Every day this week a shooting, lockdown or scare jolted five campuses across the nation”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-school-shooting-lockdowns-scares-20140124,0,3547995.story#ixzz2rS6pnrhy

    Today in Yankeeland..
    “Police: 2 store employees, gunman dead at Maryland mall”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-school-shooting-lockdowns-scares-20140124,0,3547995.story#ixzz2rS6pnrhy

    Not wonder Fred loves Argentina..

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  • Brasileiro

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  • ElaineB

    LOL! The Usual Suspects cannot contribute anything to the discussion. Just some random insults. I guess we can conclude they are defeated.

    TOP NEWS
    Fast-dropping peso spurs Argentine soy farmers to hoard beans
    Thu, Jan 23 08:55 AM GMT
    By Hugh Bronstein

    BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Argentine soy farmers have lost faith in the country's currency and are hoarding beans even as prices are expected to be weighed down over the months ahead by heavy global supply.

    The country is the world's top exporter of soymeal and soyoil as well as its third biggest soybean and corn supplier at a time of booming food demand. But, as inflation soars and confidence falls in Latin America's No. 3 economy, a bean in the bag is better than a peso in the bank for local farmers.

    The spot price of soy in grains hub Rosario is $325 per tonne, way above the $288 for beans to be delivered in May.

    Growers are nonetheless hoarding their stocks because, as low as prices may go this year due to heavy global supply, to sell would expose them to a currency ground down amid high inflation and falling central bank reserves. They are betting that inflation would erase any gain derived from selling now.

    “Normally, you would want to sell now at $325,” said Leandro Pierbattisti, an analyst with Argentina's grains warehousing chamber. “But the market in Argentina is not normal because of the devaluation of the peso.”

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  • yankeeboy

    Oh my boy fan club.
    How fun.
    Paul Pinamar is for gov't grifters, and their hangers on. I wouldn't be caught dead there. You probably read about all the people you admire going that and think its nice. Its not. If you want to go to a nice beach you have to leave Argentina they don't exist there.

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  • Brasileiro

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  • yankeeboy

    I guess MP doesn't have anyone monitoring today. Lots o' spam.

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  • Brasileiro

    Brasil now....world tomorrow

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  • ElaineB

    @140 When you get that much negative personal attention you know they see you as a threat.

    Your predictions have come true and they are embarrassed.

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  • Marcos Alejandro

    :-))))))

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  • Brasileiro

    South America is a frontier.
    Care!

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  • paulcedron

    haha yankee chav

    i already told you. if you want to have a good time in pinamar, you have to know surfing, or riding horses, or appreciating a good restaurant instead of a big mac, or golfing, etc.
    now, please do not try riding a horse, for the sake of the horse.

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  • The Chilean perspective

    132 yankeeboy
    This is why there needs to be only one exchange rate.....the market rate. The only way to achieve this is by having a free exchange rate. After an initial spike it will settle down provided the ARG gov maintain a trade surplus and a realistic viable plan to turn around their budget deficit. Can they do this?
    I know it's like asking Costa Rica to win the world cup but it isn't impossible.
    As for Brasilero, I'm disappointed he's such a Marxist, the only reason Brazil is the 6th biggest economy is precisely because of the millions of capitalist entrepreneurs risking their hard earned money every day to improve their businesses. From the corner kiosk to the giant mining companies.
    As for Argentina I have memories as a kid of my first family trip there in 1979. It was like going to Europe or America, it blew me away. Funny looking Ford falcons everywhere, massive avenues, 24hr public transport not to mention the Metro, we only had one line theirs was massive. My old man lived in B.A. for 3 years in the early 60's & there's a family rumor I may even have an Argie half brother. I don't think it's true though.

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  • Think

    (146) The Chilean perspective

    My Hermanito Shileno...
    Don't worry..... It isn't me...
    I was already old in the 60's ;-)

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  • redp0ll

    Oi, oi Think.
    So you were already old in the 60s
    A question.
    When are you going to grow up to adulthood?

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  • MagnusMaster

    @146 “This is why there needs to be only one exchange rate.....the market rate. The only way to achieve this is by having a free exchange rate. After an initial spike it will settle down provided the ARG gov maintain a trade surplus and a realistic viable plan to turn around their budget deficit. Can they do this?”

    Trade surplus? Argentina only exports soy, has to import truckloads of oil plus everything else.
    Turn around budget deficit? To do that you have to fire some of the government employees, but should that happen the lootings last December will look like child play. The London Riots are peanuts compared to what the Peronists can do.

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  • paulcedron

    “Argentina only exports soy,”
    yes?
    so argentina does not export cars, agricultural machinery, meat, etc?
    petrochemistry products represent almost the same percentage as agricultural products, with 20% stake.
    magnus: 0/10

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @147 Think

    The following is from the N.Y. Times ( 24/01/2014 ):
    “In 80 years there's been some tough times, but it's never been as bad as this,” Irma Herrera, 80, a retired psychologist, said Friday after the government announced that it would make it easier for Argentines to buy dollars amid the financial upheaval.

    “I'm not going to buy dollars when my pension doesn't even stretch to buy food,” Ms Herrera said.

    I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge this on this particular forum - but aren't you getting sick of this? I imagine even the most fatalistic of your fellow citizens are getting seriously torqued by now.

    On a lighter note you know what they say about the sixties - if you remember them you weren't...

    @149 MagnusMaster

    Do you really believe CFK will see out the rest of her term? I can't imagine that even she would possess that much hubris. Failing that is there a mechanism within the Argentinean constitution that allows for the removal of a President before the end of their term?

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  • Think

    (151) Heisenbergcontext

    1) I can, by your question to Mr. Magnusmaster, infer that you really haven't a clue about what's going on in Argentina at the moment...
    What about picking this thread again in August?

    2) On a lighter note I DO remember feeling old sometimes in the Sixties……. Maybe all that CBD in my Indica ;-)

    3) Of course I'm sick and tired about a heap of wrong things happening in Argentina (and the World)...... But being a bloody old fashioned facist or bowing for Anglo Imperialism ain't going to mend them.

    4) About that young lass, Irma Herrera......, I “Think” she doesn't remember quite well anymore...
    I do clearly remember quite a few times in Argentina being much, much toughter than the present days...

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @152 Think

    1) No doubt there are many things I am clueless about with regard to Argentina but that statement isn't going to enlighten me is it?

    2) Too subtle ( obscure? ) for yours truly.

    3) You don't really believe that either fascism or bowing down to ANY form of imperialism is the only alternative do you? Is it too much to ask for a little honesty? Humility? Common sense? Respect? Even your own loyalty is being repaid with contempt.

    4) I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of your memories, nor do you of Ms Herrera. Things might well have been tougher for you in the past and tougher for her now. “...my pension doesn't even stretch to buy food.” Nothing ambiguous about that statement though...

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @151 “Do you really believe CFK will see out the rest of her term? I can't imagine that even she would possess that much hubris. Failing that is there a mechanism within the Argentinean constitution that allows for the removal of a President before the end of their term?”

    There is a mechanism within our consitution that allows for removing a president, unfortunately it requires a vote from 2/3rds of congress, and even taking into account any K defecting to the opposition there's no way it's going to happen.
    CFK doesn't want to resign, she wants to earn her term or be kicked out in a coup. There is also the problem there isn't anyone credible who can finish her term. Vicepresident Boudou can't run a coffee shop, let alone a country and Rojkes, the third in the line of succession is a despot that makes CFK look like Nelson Mandela by comparison. The opposition would rather let CFK finish her term and force her to start taking care of the mess rather than giving the reins to Boudou or Rojkes.
    For these reasons I think there is a 50% chance CFK will finish her term, or at least resign after this year's elections and make an early transfer.

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @154 MagnusMaster

    Thank you for that reasoned, detailed explanation. I am now slightly less clueless.

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  • Stevie

    Reading a book doesn't make you a scholar...

    ;)

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  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    156 Stevie (#)
    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:40 am

    Very true. But as part of a balanced education it helps.

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  • Think

    (153) Heisenbergcontext

    1) For ”Enlightment”, I would try an Anandamargi, not an Argentinean… ;-)

    2) I ”Think” you said you knew about Yandi….. Anyhow, i'll try to made it clearer…: ”Maybe all that CBD (Cannabidiol, THC’s older, sweeter sister, chills the mind as well as the body) in my (Cannabis) Indica”.... Capisce?

    3) Honesty, humility, common sense & respect are some of the pillars of any thinking person…............................. Hence ”Think”.

    4) 12 years ago, Sweet Ms. Herrera’s pension was ~100 U$S*
    At today’s exchange rate Ms. Herrera is getting 312 U$S*
    That’s a documented fact, not a subjective memory...
    *(Argentinean Minimum Pension)

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @158 Think

    1) Trouble is there's never an Anandamargi around when you need one. Bit like your constabulary ( cue Gilbert & Sullivan ).

    2) You should definitely consider growing dreadlocks. I think you've earned the right.

    3) Honesty, humility, common sense & respect are attitudes I would expect from any government elected in a democracy - not expectations I have of you. But appreciated when demonstrated nonetheless. And not demonstrated by your government to it's citizens I humbly submit.

    4) Are you suggesting that Ms Herrera is better able to feed herself now than 12 years ago? And when you say you recall tougher times, do you mean you rself personally, or your nation generally?

    p.s. Do you ever sleep? ( no Warren Zevon quotes please ).

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  • Think

    (159) Heisenbergcontext

    1) That’s right…. Their best went up in flames during the 70’s…..

    2) No thanks… Currently holding the wild mane down to 5/8 of an inch…

    3) Honesty, humility, common sense & respect are attitudes any thinking person expects from any government elected in a democracy. Those high expectations are our biggest problem in most of the World, I humbly submit.

    4) a) I’m not “suggesting” that Ms Herrera is better able to feed herself now than 12 years ago…
    I’m telling you straight in the face that Ms Herrera is better able to feed herself now than 12 years ago…
    B) Both…

    Ps…:
    (I’ll quote Chuck Norris then)....: “I don’t sleep…………….........… I wait.”

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  • Stevie

    ”4) a) I’m not “suggesting” that Ms Herrera is better able to feed herself now than 12 years ago…
    I’m telling you straight in the face that Ms Herrera is better able to feed herself now than 12 years ago…”

    Love it :)

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @160 Think

    3) “Those high expectations are our biggest problem in most of the World, I humbly submit.” How so? Are you suggesting they are unrealistic?

    4) a) Given no-one actually knows the true value of anything ( in Pesos ) in Argentina right now you can't possibly know whether that is true or not - there are far too many variables in question.
    b) You have my sincere commiserations.

    p.s. Glad to know that between you and Chuck the Zombies have got no chance.

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  • ChrisR

    151 Heisenbergcontext

    The most effective removal of TMBOA is dealt with by a Mr. Smith and a Mr. Wesson, especially in .45 acp. :o)

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  • golfcronie

    @158
    So all Argentine pensioners are paid in US$, don't think so
    Is US$ 312 a week, month or year? What about inflation running , let's say 15% per annun, don't think she is particularly happy as inflation eats away at the pension.

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  • Think

    162 Heisenbergcontext

    3) Hmmmmmmm..... Unrealistic?....... What do you “Think” ?

    4) We were speaking about “Feeding Yourself”, not about buying the latest IPhone......

    I can assure you two of things...:
    1) 300U$S do buy more food than 100 U$S.... About trice as much....
    2) Argentinean Food Prices (meassured in U$S) were HIGHER in 2001 than they are today.................. Significatively higher...

    Ps…:
    The Zombies are many... Chuck and I could use a Bruce Lee (or two ;-)...

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @163 ChrisR

    If you read Magnus 2nd paragraph ( @154 ) and assign it any credibility ( and I do ) you will see that your solution, whilst it might make you feel better, won't make conditions any better in Argentina.

    But if you feel that strongly about it why don't you do the deed yourself?

    @161 Stevie

    Hallgrim Hallgrimsson you are not.

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  • golfcronie

    @158
    If inflation was 11.01% pa then she would be collecting US$ 312 but alas we know that is not the true figure. At 15% pa inflation she should get US$ 535 but she does not . Inflation at best guess say 25% how much does she get? So I think she finds it extremely difficult to live on her pittance of a pension.

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  • ChrisR

    @ 166 Heisenbergcontext
    “But if you feel that strongly about it why don't you do the deed yourself?”

    Well, it wouldn’t bother me if I did, but why should I risk my life when there are 40M Argentines who should do it, who WANT to do it but can’t be arsed?

    But who says that having Bow-wow as president would last forever? I would imagine the real power behind the government, the Mafia as Magnus claims, would soon sort it out.

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  • BLACK CAT

    Since the rapid increase in prices, I've noted an improvement in the posts from our Trolls, I mean I almost understood a Think post! I may be wrong but given the Pesos weakness against the green back, it must be getting difficult to muster enough wonga to sustain a regular supply of hallucinogenic substances to maintain the irrelevant drivel we have become accustomed to.

    Cold Turkey Anyone......

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @165 Think

    3) Dunno Think. I still don't know what the statement: “Those high expectations are our biggest problem in most of the World...” means. To you.

    4) I don't recall stating that Ms Herrera could only satisfy her hunger by chewing on a smart phone.

    1) True dat.
    2) A fair point. Problem is that the lovely Ms Herrera is not being paid in U.S.$. And the aforementioned uncertainty regarding prices is not confined to any one product. Food and groovy electronic gadgets are all vulnerable.

    p.s. With all respect to the late, great Bruce Lee I think you & The Chuckster might be better off with one of Klingon's mini-guns.

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  • MagnusMaster

    @168 The problem isn't bow-wow, it's Rojkes. I think even the mafia fears her.

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  • Think

    (170) Heisenbergcontext

    Geeeeeeeee, lad..... I'll rephrase it for you....:
    3) “One of the most frustrating issues for us thinking people is our naive proclivity of expecting democratically elected governments through the world to show some acceptable levels of honesty, humility, common sense & respect for their fellow men….

    2) No problem here…. The lovely Ms Herrera is, as we speak, being paid a monthly amount EQUIVALENT to ~300 U$S.- that will fade rather quickly away paying for her bills and groceries.
    Therefore, the aforementioned uncertainty regarding price inflation is OUT OF THE EQUATION….

    PS…:
    No film featuring the Great Bruce Lee, the Chuckster & el Think will ever show us, The Goodies, using guns!
    Guns are for Sissies.....
    We would rather drink half a pint of that unspeakable beverage the Poms call ”Ale”.

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  • yankeeboy

    2) Argentinean Food Prices (meassured in U$S) were HIGHER in 2001 than they are today.................. Significatively higher...

    That is a boldfaced lie

    Food is astronomically higher than it was a decade ago. Anyone who has traveled there can see the prices on a menu.

    For gosh sakes it food inflation was north of 40% yoy!

    The minimum (suggested?) wage a few years ago was U$550 it is now U$270! More pesos less U$
    Not too hard to figure when the peso has lost more than the raises.

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    @168 ChrisR

    Alas an Argentine assassinating their President might well set off civil war. You never know though you might get lucky - she could well suffer a relapse in Cuba and endure the same fate as El Commandante. Or simply decide not to return. I'm sure Raul & Fidel would be happy to put her up for the duration. For a fee of course...

    @172 Think

    Save the sarcasm Buckaroo Banzai - the word 'our' could be interpreted in a number of ways. I agree with you though, which is why we need strong institutions. The politicians in my country are just as susceptible to the 'Rolex gene' as politicians anywhere but they always get caught. Eventually. Sometimes it takes a ( very expensive ) Royal Commission, intrepid reporters and a whistle-blower or two, but I can't think of anything better human nature being what it is.

    2) One problem here - which exchange rate are you using?

    p.s.
    The problem with being a Goodie in the vanguard of Zombie extermination is that Zombie's ( this is a fact ) have no sense of humour. Nor does 'ol Chuck ( unless you count being unintentionally hysterical).

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  • cornelius

    Bring the junta back to take care of Argentina!

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  • yankeeboy

    Well this was expected, gov't back tracking on the “free peso” exchange.
    Major Supermarkets are saying the price control for food must be renegotiated
    And stupid Axel K ( is this our Axel? maybe so, maybe so) says the massive depreciation will have no effect on inflation.
    Que?
    Does he know 25% of Rg consumption is imported?
    Methinks not
    Stupid Marxists
    http://buenosairesherald.com/article/150585/weak-peso-brings-risks-to-domestic-economy

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @172
    Pension in UK is £ 678.24 per month @ US$ 1115.37 at the current exchange rate, + private pension of US$ 470 ) TOTAL US$ 1585.37
    + free travel on buses off peak, and Ms Herrera gets US$ at what rate? If she gets the official rate then she gets US$ 312, how can she possibly manage on that pittance?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Ten reasons to avoid Argentine stocks this year are noted below:

    Inflation is the second highest in Latin America after Venezuela. It is estimated to reach around 30% this year.Though the official rate was around 11% in December, 2013 everyone believes that number is cooked up by the government.
    Argentines have lost faith in the state. According to a recent poll, 62% disapprove of way the government handles the economy. Nearly three-fourths disapprove of the government's handling the inflation and crime. On the global level, investors have not restored their faith and trust in Argentina for years.
    The Argentine currency Peso is in shaky-- if not freefall mode.
    Foreign currency reserves have been decreasing since last year as shown in the chart below:

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1968101-avoid-argentina-stocks-this-year

    Wasn't stupid Think crowing about how good Rg stocks have been doing?

    Are you ever right Think?
    Ever?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (174) Heisenbergcontext
    You say...:
    “The politicians in my country are just as susceptible to the 'Rolex gene' as politicians anywhere but they always get caught.”
    I say...:
    Allow me to widen our horizons outside of Oz and comment over that “Little Extra” added to the “Civilized Anglo-Saxonsphere ” to allow the corrupt 'Rolex gene' (Patek Philippe gene, I would rather call it… Rolex's are for losers) to roam unhindered and free through that anesthetizing illusion of working “Checks and Balances”...:

    *-* “Reimbursement” AFTER living Public Office *-*

    A suitable, well known Anglo example?...: Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, whose declared fortune recently surpassed the 100 million £…

    A suitable, well known Saxon example?...: Gerhard Fritz Kurt Schröder, whose fortune is not even declared…

    And there are thousands more in each and every OECD Country, my dear Lad…
    And thousands more waiting nicely in line for their turn…
    Ahhhh.... That civilized Anglo-Saxon “Queue culture”…
    I, myself, much prefer our “Cue Culture”...

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  • ChrisR

    @ 174 Heisenbergcontext
    “Alas an Argentine assassinating their President might well set off civil war”

    Mmmm. So what do you think a Brit putting TMBOA out of her agony might cause? A war between The Dark Country and “England” as these argies think of the UK? Ha. Ha, ha. Not after the last time methinks!

    @ 179 Lunatic
    “Patek Philippe gene, I would rather call it… Rolex's are for losers”

    Ha, ha, ha.

    And this from an old twat who has a 1950’s Russian Navigator’s watch which was actually an old French designed watch that was sold with all the worn out manufacturing machinery to his commie mates. The Russians put a hack into it to provide local synchronisation (as in “synchronising watches”). Oh, poor Lunatic why don’t you ask the crook B Liar if he will give you one (a Patek that is)!

    Mind you, at his age I am surprised he can still see the dial (nod, nod, wink, wink, if you know what I mean).

    Lunatic, you ARE getting funnier as the months wear on!

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Ha ha, Think the Commie, and a watch snob!
    Imagine, coveting material goods whilst supporting Argentinas state-induced poverty for the masses!!

    Think,
    Do you covet the Patek for its monetary value, or simply because you perceive it as a Status Symbol that is beyond your grasp?

    Personally, I prefer the modest Breitling TransOcean Chronograph ( not the Rose Gold variation, either)

    http://www.breitling.com/en/models/transocean/transocean-chronograph/versions/

    LOL, our “Communist” is really a materialist!!

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    The people in charge in Argentina are Marxist too bad the country have lots of young people like Stevie who is zero in history and ignorant of how a governments show operate the problem with young people is that most of them ignorant.
    I learned my first lesson in economics after i got my first pay check, i ask about all the deductions, short after i realized what a welfare state is all about, is about poverty and control.
    So if you want to get rid of this government in Argentina you have to start educating the young people and you will find that: that’s is a cumbersome task and impossible in Argentina After the communist propaganda got to them it will be dificult to start a deprogaming them.
    Only a dictatorship can do that just like Pinochet.
    The definition of a teenager is “God’s punishment for people enjoying sex”

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  • golfcronie

    @179
    Does the population in Argentina know about taxation and what it is for? I wonder how many people are in the “ black economy”, that is working for cash in hand and not paying taxes, it is destroying Argentina.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @183

    Yes, they do. But they also know that the taxes paid won't be used for public services or to increase their retirements. They do know that most of the money will be stolen or vanished by inflation so they prefer to keep this money in thier hands.

    In addition, you know what? One of the most important informal payers is the Government throught “over payments tax free”. Something that it is ilegal for any ptrivate employeer but not for the Government.

    I remember that once I checked for openings in Logistic in the Instituto Antartico Argentino and the official salary was very low but the “over payment” was more than 60% so the total salary was not bad.

    Policemen, Teachers, Militars and other publiec servant are payed this way.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    182
    funny, you say education is what we need (i agree with that), and then you say that what we need is a dictatorship. that is a bit contradictory.
    and if you read some history books, you will realize that peronismo has nothing to do with marxism.
    yes it is true that useless kicillof is qualified by some media as marxista.

    anyway, i think the level of education in the islets is a lot worse than the one in argentina.
    you dont even have a university, college or any tertiary institution.
    if you are the product of the average education in the islets, we can conclude that you lot are a bunch of ignorants.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Paultroon

    we can conclude that you are “an ignorant” as well.

    How many times has it been explained to you that the Islanders have access to the best Universities in the UK, the means to pay for attending, and a track record for having done so.
    You can't say the same.
    Tell us about the “world class” Argentine universities, again...

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    Yes the Argentine universities are number one in creating useless Marxist where do you think this governing class come from? Agent 189.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    trolo tempestilent
    “How many times has it been explained to you that the Islanders have access to the best Universities in the UK, ”

    yes?
    it seems neither you nor the other ignorant have made use of it.
    and stop parasitizing the real british.
    guess they are getting tired of you, lazy isleñitos.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @188
    And tell me again where in the league tables Argentinian Universities came, certainly not in the top 100

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    188 Paultroon

    “it seems neither you nor the other ignorant have made use of it.”

    And you definitely show that you are indeed a product of the Argentine educational curriculum.

    You're so duped - you defend the very people who steal from you.

    Remember this later, when you have your own kids.

    :-D

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (181) Troy Tempest
    Nice Breitling…….............. a bit on the flashy side though…

    As you so wisely “guessed” I do own a couple of old unassuming watches that fit this humble posters lifestyle….

    Apart for my beloved Shturmanskie… (That doesn’t get all the wrist time it deserves) http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss14/StampeSV4/gagarin-sturmanskie.jpg

    I got this old chronograph…… It boils eggs to perfection… http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss14/StampeSV4/gagarin-sturmanskie.jpg

    And this old Swiss one, that matches my Hardy fishing tackle… (in ruggedness, style and period)
    http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss14/StampeSV4/gagarin-sturmanskie.jpg

    And this other old Swiss...., a true ladies favourite. ;-)
    http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss14/StampeSV4/gagarin-sturmanskie.jpg

    And……

    Jupppp...... I guess there is a little materialist in all of us....

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  • paulcedron

    “You're so duped - you defend the very people who steal from you.”
    and who are they?
    the govt?
    i am in the other extreme, you dimwit

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @189
    Not even top 400, anyhow it is inconsequential, the point is how many villages of 3000 people have a university? The education received in the FI and the access to UK education (4 or 5 of the world's top 10) means the prospects for an islander are vastly superior to an Argie (or a Chilean for that matter).

    ***

    While Argies continue to bemoan their total lack of success in colonizing the FI by force / diplomacy / economic blockade and trolling, Peru and Chile reach the end of an international arbitration at the ICJ over a disputed maritime border.

    Tomorrow we will know the result.

    Which ever way it goes I am happy that two countries with a history of conflict and rivalry have chosen to sit down at the ICJ and accept the court's decision.

    If we lose some of our (vast) EEZ to Peru, we will have won a future with one less conflict and further advance our mutually beneficial economic integration with Peru.

    Argentina should take note of how to settle a dispute and move on rather than let a relatively unimportant territorial dispute hold so many national priorities hostage.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    189
    the universidad de buenos aires is ranked @ # 117.
    the 2nd of south america after the universidade de sao paulo. the 3rd in latin america after the autonoma de mexico and sao paulo.
    the universidad de la plata is # 20, etc.
    better than not having one single tertiary institute, no?
    http://www.4icu.org/top200/
    http://www.4icu.org/top200/

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (192) paulcedron

    You say to a Turnip accusing you of ...: “Defending The Very People Who Steal From You”, that you are : “In The Other Extreme”

    Which “Other Extreme” is that?
    Are You Stealing From The Very People That Defend You?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    No comments

    In his first official activity on the island, met with the historic leader of the Cuban Revolution. She was accompanied by her daughter Florence and the presidential spokesman.

    Accompanied by her daughter, Cristina spends the weekend in Cuba

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Chilean perspective

    193 Condorito
    I totally agree with you. The ICJ ruling will bring a closer relationship between Peru and Chile, no matter what the result. Many people do not realize how important the relationship is, for example Chile exports more to Peru than to Argentina and Peru exports more to Chile than to Brazil. More than 6 million border crossings happen every year eclipsing any other neighbour and with a steady growing economy (although started from a low base) they are likely to catch us in less than 15 years if they keep to the script.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Interesting Article
    Great line:
    Argentina is now discovering that such arrogance has a price.

    Currency runs never end well, especially in Argentina. The rapid devaluation of the peso at the end of last week highlighted a loss of confidence in the country’s economic management. With the temperature rising and the lights flickering, Argentines finally lost patience.
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/143744da-8530-11e3-86f7-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2rXyKHZg5

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (193) Condorito & (197) The Chilean perspective

    It warms my heart to see that my Peruvian and Shilean hermanitos are following the path of Continental Peace, Unity and Cooperation outlined & pioneered by Brazil and Argentina some 30 years ago....

    The Bolivian issue is next...
    Keep the good work...
    El Think.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sant Iago

    http://www.4icu.org/about/

    “4 International Colleges & Universities is an international higher education search engine and directory reviewing accredited Universities and Colleges in the world. 4icu.org includes 11,307 Colleges and Universities, ranked by web popularity, in 200 countries.”

    Jajajaja

    WEB POPULARITY!

    http://www.4icu.org/about/
    No Argentino in 400 ranked.
    UK has 49.

    http://www.4icu.org/about/
    No Argentino in 500 ranked.
    UK has 37.

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  • paulcedron

    think
    “Which “Other Extreme” is that?”
    no kirchnerista
    anti kirchnerista
    1/2 gorila
    you name it

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Think
    I don't think many in Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil and certainly not the FI recognize the “Cooperation” you mention. There are few countries as antagonistic as Argentina.

    @The Chilean Perspective
    It is going to be an interesting day tomorrow. You are right, many don't realize the importance of the relationship and unfortunately the media focuses on the win-lose of the territorial matter, rather than the win-win of moving forward.

    I like your analysis of the Argie economic problems - might be a good time to buy Argie bonds!
    Saludos

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    200
    “www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2013.html
    No Argentino in 500 ranked.”
    world rank 151-200 University of Buenos Aires 115.1

    no argentino (sic) in 500 ranked?
    you dont even read the link you are posting, you dimwit

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Chilean perspective

    202 Condorito...
    Thanks pal, I can't wait for the verdict. I hope the nutjobs don't come out and make trouble. As for the Argentine economy I think if they polish this turd the right way they can turn it into a nugget. For the gringos on this forum it's not their fault that they don't understand, they haven't lived through what we have lived through (except those old enough to have experienced the 30's), you can come out of these crises and be stronger. Whether they do is hard to tell, do they have the discipline, testicular fortitude and patriotism, who knows. In the mean time its pretty entertaining and at the very least they have moved away form the Venezuelan model. Enjoy the rest of the summer.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @179 Think

    I knicked the 'Rolex gene' line from Mark Shields who also revealed that Jesse Jackson has 17 ( ! ) of those suckers. Personally I'm not into chronograph porn so if you insist Rolex's are for losers I'll just have to take your word for it.

    I observe Irma Herrera is once again being neglected. Oh well..

    Do you have any evidence that Blair's millions were acquired fraudulently? And have you taken into account that he is going to have to spend the rest of his life accompanied by Cherie Blair? That he is obliged to be nice to Dubya until death do they part? That he has been subject to the derision of millions for the better part of a decade and that his reputation will likely never recover. I wouldn't trade places with him for any amount of money.

    As to Herr Schroder you have the advantage on me - I haven't heard his name mentioned in years, nor am I aware of these 'thousands' of ...what - thieving politicians?

    @180 ChrisR

    The speed with which you can develop Wagneresque fury is simply awe-inspiring. Faster than Oprah can assault a cheeseburger even.

    Frankly... you frighten me.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    201 Paultroon

    Think said,

    ”(192) paulcedron

    You say to a Turnip accusing you of ...: “Defending The Very People Who Steal From You”, that you are : “In The Other Extreme”

    Which “Other Extreme” is that?
    Are You Stealing From The Very People That Defend You?”

    Ha ha Paul,
    Even hermano Thinky laughs at you!

    BTW,
    Argentina has only one university in the world's top 500 rankings, and even that is not in the first 100
    - easy to miss.

    By contrast, the US has 70 in the top 150
    The UK has 13
    and even Canada with only 80% of the population of Argentina, has 5 within the first 150.

    The other Ranking site does not show Argentina at all, in the top 400.

    Not much of a showing for you, is it??

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    paulcedron

    But is the University of Buenos Aires a real university in a classical sense? There are over 300,000 undergraduates. What kind of education can you possibly receive with so vast a student body?

    Before I was offered a place at the college of my choiceI had a personal interview with the department’s professor, and most stimulating it was too.

    Whilst I was studying for a bachelors degree in philosophy at one of Britain’s ancient universities the average lecture was attended by 10-12 students. We sat around a table in discussion with some of the world’s leading philosophers; respected authorities in their field. When I had my essays returned I had an hour’s tutorial with my lecturer to discuss each and every one of them. I was known personally by all the members of the department.

    This is what I understood a university education is all about. I guess that why so many British universities are ranked so highly. Quality not quantity you see.

    Offering free university places to all and sundry simply lowers the standards. Only those who possess the intellectual skills, imagination and curiosity to genuinely benefit from a university education should have the right to attend.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @207
    Very succinctly put IMHO, head nail hammer

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    tempestilente
    no. there is something you, 3rd class plebs, do not understand.
    think agrees with some politicians of my country and i disagree with them.
    that is called democracy.
    of course a 3rd class pleb from a 3rd class colony will not understand it.
    they (the isleñitos) have to deal with the “governor” that “her majesty the queen” (LOL) chooses for them.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @206
    come to think about it, we are all laughing at Paul

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    What I have always found amazing with the Ks is they can put out Grand Pronouncements one week and the very next week backtrack and take most/all of it away.
    Why does the population stand for it?
    Frankly it is appalling that THE PEOPLE let them get away with it time and again.

    209. You don't live in a democracy. You are deluded if you think what you have in Argentina is anything but a kleptocracy and a dictatorship.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    211
    yankeefattyballoffat
    no. we live in a democracy.
    the fact that the politicians in charge are inepts, thieves or whatever you want is another problem.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    212. Let me give you your first clue, votes are not bought with chickens and utility bill payments in a democracy.

    http://www.plataformademocratica.org/Publicacoes/19776.pdf

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @212
    You live in a democracy, don't make me laugh.
    You said it yourself regarding the politicians, inept, thieves, or whatever,
    How can that be a democracy? Why not take them to court, if you know someone is thieving you report them to the Authorities. Are you saying everyone is corrupt in Argentina?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • warteiner

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 205 Heisenbergcontext

    I am confused and uncertain of which context “frightens” you or is it all of it?

    Werner, I know Germans are a little dour and do not understand British jokes, especially after both World Wars, but I had hoped that someone in Oz had had that taken out of him by all the piss-taking that the Aussies are so good at.

    If you are referring to the “Lunatic” section you perhaps did not see the “welcome” that “I don’t Think” gave me when I first started on MP, he is now reaping what he sowed.

    Whatever it is you need to get the old German backbone going, oh, sorry, that’s the German moustache and the British backbone!

    Perhaps an example of the Aussie piss-take is appropriate at this time, it was sent over by the 21 YO son of my best UK friend. I hope it helps you see “sense”

    http://www.theladbible.com/articles/neighbours-exchange-angry-yet-hilarious-emails

    P.S. Don’t look at the “girls” section it may affect your eyesight!

    :o)

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Doesn't look like the “unlimited Peso exchange” is keeping the Blue rate down.
    Figured as much...

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #212 “yankeefattyballoffat”

    Really? Is the the intellectual level that you as an Argentine bring to this website? What does the use of that insult, if that is what one can call it, do for you on the argument level?

    I think you've finally reached the level of using:

    “I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you”

    I'd laugh if that post was not so paltry and pathetic and most of all.....juvenile. Go back to Mendoza.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @211 ¨Why does the population stand for it?¨

    Why don´t you ask the people?

    @214 yes, the autorities are all corrupt. Guess who put them? They´ve been already been reported hundreds of times, most turn the blind eye and those who don´t are kicked out.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    219. My guess the people are lazy and corrupt themselves. At some point you have to blame the population/society for the state of the union. They've had 3+ successive GENERATIONS of terrible gov'ts.
    Plus if you look at the intellectually lazy and brainwashed Pr0K supporters we have here it is no wonder they have a depression every decade.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @218 I have to agree that the childish insults undermine any credibility.

    Comments from people in Buenos Aires are split between the 'shit, I can't believe we have done it again' and 'It is all a dastardly plot by foreigners to bring down Argentina'. Though united in wondering why their part-time President is off enjoying lunches in Cuba.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @217 and no movement on the official. which means that they will have to do this all over again in a couple of months

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I agree.
    You lot insult continously...

    But you never had any credibility to lose anyway, did you...?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    THE FIGHT FOR POWER.
    I have never denied that c. f. k's government has serious falencies in some aspects, in fact, i have always explained the causes of inflation in arg., which are much more ample than the usuall too partial lectures of many of you, based mostly on monetary emission and public expenditures.
    Accept ir not, what we are living now, is no more than the classic intent of financial coup d'etat, made by oligopolic corporations, which made fall raul alfonsin's governmnet in 1989, in fact, the are 5 exporters enterprices which represent more than the 50% of corns productions, beside, there is a similar scenario in metal mechanic sector, where techint group has an oligoplic position.
    All these sectors have had huge profitabilities in the last decade, however they have never changed their parasitary and rentist behaviour, that's why they have always used the mechanism i described in order to push all the governments to take hard devaluations, in fact, since 2007 there were 6 economic runs by those corporations.
    C. f. k's government has walked on the precipice since she took office in 2007, because of her decision of facing economic power, with the purpose of recovering many of the recources that we had lost after 25 years of neoliberal policies.
    In my opinion i think that a democratization of those economic sectors will be the hardest battle, but it's absolutly necesary to do it.
    On the ther hand, beyond this serious problem, what makes feel quiet, is the fact that c. f. k.'s government is not weak, beside, economic situation is not in absolut in a deplorable state, as it was during all those governments that were broken down by financial coup d'etats, in fact, last year we had an economic expansion of 5%.
    Anyway, it's understandable that all those haters who just insult her, will keep on victimizing economic power, like they often do in their too partial lectures, saying that the country is ruled by a mad woman, who makes populism.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    ElaineB, the suspicion of a foreign plot is not far wrong. The Vultures in the City can move markets if they scent blood and blood is everywhere. Currency speculators have been alerted and will pile in en masse if there is a few bob to be made. They are right to be worried.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Axel
    Your words are the naked truth, but these lot will never even consider that as a possibility as their weapons have been taken from them succesively, to the point their “only” tools left to impose their will, is media and economic pressure like Ven and Arg are facing at the moment.
    Those countries that are way to important for their personal income and interests, will always have to struggle against the waves.

    But this is not new and very much expected.
    The only way around it is to diversify the media, educate the population and live as one learn.

    Take away their weapons and let them cry as loud as they wish.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @220 yes but why do you think people are lazy and corrupt? Or are you of the ¨human biodiversity no seriously we aren´t racist even though we want to send back all africans to africa¨ crowd that think every person´s fate is genetically determined?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    How is the Peso doing? I can see 8.008 vs USD on Bloomberg

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    228 that's about it. At the end of the day we will find out the extent of the BCRA invervention in the market

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    8 to the dollar....

    Who says 10 by Easter?
    20 by Christmas?

    Oh dear oh dear....

    My recommendation is “control” the media....“educate” the population....it's shit...but if you tell everyone it's great it might work....

    Axel would happy clap bestiality if CFK told him the pony was enjoying it.
    Stevie is too stupid to understand either way...last week he was telling me to repay a debt...when I was the person loaning the money...PMSL.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @225 I agree but CFK created the dead carcass economy for the vultures to feast on.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    227. Whew! That is a leap of logic. You got all that from my post? I think not.
    I think Rgs are intellectually lazy ( see Axel's post 224) he represents the vast majority of Rgs and the ones that have been allowing corruption to rule Argentina since Peron and before.
    Corruption is endemic in Argentina, its part of their very being, everyone does it, everyone knows everyone does it, it is also a necessity if you want to get anything done. Bribes are RAMPANT and expected.
    It can't be race because it's not that way in Chile.
    So I think it starts with a bad education/indoctrination it is pure laziness to think “the others” caused your misery. It is childish and frankly embarrassing that a whole nation lives by these ridiculous beliefs. The Man is keeping me down attitude.
    Lazy and Corrupt is the national motto and until that changes Arg is doomed to failure. I have said for a long time Argentina will be look more like Bolivia in a generation than it does the USA.
    And now I've been proved right.

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  • Condorito

    Alex
    You say
    “C. f. k's government has walked on the precipice since she took office in 2007, because of her decision of facing economic power”

    That is where it all goes wrong. Economic power doesn't need to be faced or confronted, it needs to be embraced and supported.

    You say:
    “ the are 5 exporters enterprices which represent more than the 50% of corns productions”

    What is wrong with that? Those are the enterprises than earn Argentina her USD. These enterprises should be given all the support they require, not held up as something that is wrong.

    ***

    A good result at the ICJ today for Chile and Peru. I don't think anyone can complain at the outcome.

    That's the way it's done.

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  • ElaineB

    @233 “A good result at the ICJ today for Chile and Peru. I don't think anyone can complain at the outcome.

    That's the way it's done.”

    It looks fair to me.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Axel, Stevie, Russia and its Satellites abandoned your sort of economics decades ago. China has all but abandoned it and adopted capitalism. The only places that still cling on are North Korea and Cuba, and of course your mates in Venezuala. Do you really 'Think' that these models are something to admire? They are abject failures!
    Wise up, look at your poor country, its a mess, an economic basket case and that is because of people like you. You live in a golden land full of promise but its going down the pan because of apathy greed, corruption and mismanagement. Listen to people here, you might learn something.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    Many countries have gone thru bad economic times and good economic times, but, the obsession demostrated from the british bloggers for argieland is a >serious mental illness

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @ 236 ron
    Is it more or less of a mental illness than obsessing about some islands that don't belong to you?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mick23

    Watch what happens! Imagine that the govt' allows people to buy the dollars with their Peso's from under the bed. The govt. then reduces the tariff on the Peso to help shore up more dollar purchases. The public is then induced to put the dollars into a bank where they are being offered a better than average interest rate for the dollar accounts.... THEN on a auspiciously chosen day... Wham... Remember 2001... I bet they figure it worked then and that the masses are foolish enough to have forgotten...

    Yankeeboy... You have insight...!

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stoker

    Arturo Porzecanski (American University, Washinton DC)

    “The chickens of populism have come home to roost, this is the beginning of the end of Kirchnerism in my view.”

    “The (Argentine) government is faced with either a further confidence-shattering loss of reserves or a further confidence-shattering devaluation of the peso. All the good options are gone.”

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    @236

    Stop bullying and invading islands that aren't yours
    Stop pissing in the ear of every foreign minister that visits your country
    Stop making complete idiots of yourselves at the UN

    And we will stop finding it hilarious when your economy goes tits up....

    Simple really

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    CONDORITO.
    I respect your opinion, but this is evident that you don't have enough knowledge about the behaviour of economic power in our country, and about the deplorable state which provoked neoliberal policies, in my comment i made refference to those questions, you can agree or not on my opinions, but accept it or not, those facts happened.
    On the other hand, i don't think that oligopolic markets should exist, in my opinion, as her government did with the broadcast law, which aims to dismantle the huge oligopolic concentration that we have in the media, it's necesary to do the same with those oligoplic sectors of agrarian and metal mechanic activities.
    On the other hand, what does the result of the i. c. j. in relation to chile and peru have to do with what i said in my comment?.
    CAPTAINSILVER: Sorry, but the policies that you defend became arg. into one more u. s. a.'s backyard., for being honest, it's not what i want for my country.
    On the other hand, i'm not surprised for the ignorant and reactionary view that you have about argentina's situation, it's actualy the typical stigmatizing view charasteristic of imperialist nations, which don't tolerate the fact that despite the serious structural problems that our countries still have, however we aren't nobody's backyard anymore, i have said it in planty of opportunities every time i read the kind of ignorant comments like your's.

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  • yankeeboy

    Anyone else think CFK has not recovered well from the surgery?
    She still looks very ill.

    Axel, Please stop with these huge unreadable indoctrinated filled b/s posts. Many posters, many times have pointed out at great length why you are wrong on every point you make. Are you too stupid to learn?

    I told you a year ago you'd be making U$275/mo and I was spot on.
    Take if from my you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about ever.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Condo.......apparently anyone who disagrees with Axel either:
    1- does not have enough knowledge on the matter
    2-it too biased to form objective opinions
    3-you are a hater's

    Axel talks of corporate oligarchies however they are all (Multi-nationals) trying to exit Argentina as fast as they can without having their money stuck in Argentina.

    Axel are you a communist?

    Are you anti-capitalist?

    How how is a good profit for a entity to make....after taxes that allows it to re-invest in itself yet also paying dividends to it's stockholders? Is employing people and paying taxes not enough of a benefit to the community?

    Face it axel, your kirchnerism experiment has failed. Perhaps if nasty nestor were alive he could have milked it a little longer but he is dead and the torch passed to an outright thieving imbecile, which is why she is no longer running the country. Between Capitanich and Kicilloff, they are running the show and the imbecile file her nails at luncheons.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Monkey
    Look at your debt today.
    Seems you are borrowing the State some 5k every second...

    ;)

    CaptainSilver
    China capitalistic? Hahahahaha!
    Capitalism is when all enterprises are privately owned, the State owns nothing.

    You wish for China to be a capitalistic nation to for your argument.

    China has indeed moved from a strict communism ideology, to a more softer, socialistic version.
    It's not capitalism, you master of convenience.

    ;)

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    244. Rumor is China is running out of cash...

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “Argentina rolls back dollar restrictions hoping to contain market volatility; Monday test day”

    Ok, so here we are.

    It is now 21:33 local time (G.M.T )

    Can I ask how all those schemes and Cunning plans effected the markets?

    Did it do any good whatsoever? or is argentina still slipping back towards the stone age?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 245 yankeeboy
    “Rumor is China is running out of cash...”

    It’s a bit more than that: but you know that don’t you?

    Just fed up of trumping the Liar so you are giving him the night off from chewing his worry blanket again?

    :o)

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Chris

    Benito, if I may...

    ;)

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    247. A bit more yes

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yankee I got a a blast on that also and citibank is trying to quell a rush. There is a shortage of U$ and the Yuan

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The very fact that you lot continously call China a capitalistic nation is much more telling than your desperate hand readings...

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    247 ChrisR

    Just caught a bit of that story on the CNBC website.....

    A bit doom and gloom wouldn't ya say?

    The report didn't exactly say that this was the “End of days” but, not far from it.....

    So China is going to run out of money AND credit.... and we are all going to die.............

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yeah yb...they are claiming the delay in transfers as “system maintaince”. Get this.....transfer domestic money is being delayed until February 2 and international currency transfers is delayed until February 7th. This happened back in June during the credit crunch......but not this long a delay....some banks actually closed their ATM's.

    Capitalists neophytes.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Seems they like to blame these “clerical errors” on holidays. First around our NYE and not theirs.
    Somebody in the Ministry of Disinformation is getting their scripts mixed up.
    The China model will fail, spectacularly, it may be a lot of pain for everyone as the economies adjust but in the end it will be great for the USA as we pick up the mfg capacity and supply them with their food and fuel.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    253
    “some banks actually closed their ATM's.”
    what?
    where did you get that?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    If you look at Chris' hand, through yanqui's crystal ball, you'll see a hint of what they are talking about, Paul...

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (255) Yorugua & (256) ½Gorilón

    Doomsday Preppers ChrisR, Yankeeboy, Captain Poppy & toooldtodieyoung are speaking about this...:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T6Lzs9DsdM

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Rg Gov't, of course you can buy U$, but only if are in the top 20% of income earners, only if you can prove you don't owe and taxes, then of course you can buy up to U$2000 a month but you can't take it out of the bank.
    Ever
    Good gracious these people are dumb

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a632247e-8772-11e3-9c5c-00144feab7de.html

    Great quote:
    “Argentina’s economy and markets are now so small they are all but irrelevant to global investors.”

    Seems Toby is getting his wish.

    Seems while Argentina is causing ripples through the global economy, it is not because an Argentina collapse will cause many problems, just that it might set off a panic in a market that actually really matters.

    Poor Argentina, it can't even get much attention when it has an economic meltdown!

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    But not irrelevant to you...

    ;)

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    259. I've been saying that for a long time. Nobody will care if Argentina collapses.
    Nobody
    They don't buy/sell enough to matter. If they stopped selling Soy the USA would pick up the slack.
    No biggy

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Stevie

    Of course not irrelevant to me. What a insightful thing to say!

    I've never claimed that Argentina is irrelevant to me. I am not parochial and unlike you plan on living in South America. For short term or long term, who knows! I am young enough and not tied down by a family that hinders my choices.

    I even plan on practising in South America. Countries that are developing have a much higher calling for architects, urban planners and urban designers. I still haven't decided my major just yet.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Are you going to make money or to make a difference?
    Because you know, our biggest issue here is corruption.
    Bit not corrupted governments, not any more.
    But corrupted people. People that doesn't understand that we want to bring our societies forward, away from poverty. These corrupted lot thinks people should live on 7 when they live on 70 and still they complain, wanting more.

    This beautiful continent has been made a paradise for greedy people way too long.
    Maybe they should havewashed the dirty face of capitalism before it was applied, maybe they simply didn't care.
    Either way, we have loads to do and I swear to beat you to it.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    for you pm...way up in mendoza

    Yankee can you imagine them closing money transfers for a week in the USA or Europe for “maintenance”? What a crock of fried rice. Mmmmm....will Argentina get their money from China? .....lol

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    264. No I can't. It won't be too much longer before it collapses and all the politician/billionaires are swinging from the lampposts where they belong.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    As I said 3 days ago. The cepo de cambio will not end and nothing has changed.
    They are not fixing the problem just a band aid as usual.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Stevie

    I'm going to South America to make money AND to make a difference. You can actually do both - they are not mutually exclusive. However money is really not that important to me other than to lead a life that makes me happy. It really doesn't take that much.

    Good urban design or architecture can make a huge difference to everyone. From the average person that will use or live in it, through the whole of society including businesses, governments and the environment.

    Good urban design/planning could be as simple as diverting traffic around a neighbourhood to creating urban parks to building and promoting affordable public transport.

    Good architecture could be designing and building houses that reduce heating and cooling costs for low income earners or provide sanitary systems in hard to service locations. It could mean designing houses or apartments for eldery that adapt to their needs as they age.

    I detest corruption, especially the corruption that you are blind to. The families at the pinnacle of power in both Argentina and Venezuela have enriched and gorged themselves on the money of their people. But you see this as an attack and can't even bring yourself to criticise it. I am glad I don't suffer under it.

    If South America has problems, they can not all be laid at the feet of people from outside of South America. Corruption, neptoism and dictatorships are just as much the fault of South Americans as they are of US or European governments interfering or intervening. Playing the victim long after the fact doesn't gain South America anything.

    Argentina and Venezuela are clearly not capitalist any longer and considering they are suffering some of the largest economic issues at the moment cannot be blamed on capitalism. Way too simplistic.

    As for you beating me to making a difference. Be my guest. I am not racing you nor measuring myself against you or anyone else for that matter. Improvement has no end, so I will always be content with my contribution.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @216 ChrisR

    Lots of German influence in my state - perhaps you went through Handorf on your travels here a few years back - but I'm not one of them. Ironically my maternal grandparents met in an air-raid shelter, courtesy of the Luftwaffe in WW2.

    My mother was born in Birmingham in '44, her father was a Welsh soldier who served in Africa during the war. Must of liked it there 'cause he decided to emigrate to Kenya in '48. My parents met in Tanzania - or Tanyanyika as it was then. After independence they migrated to Australia - it was getting dangerous for non-native Africans at that point.

    Not what worried about Think 'lunatic jokes' - he has the hide of a rhinoceros and can certainly look after himself. I'm well acquainted with British humour, we were fed a steady diet of British sitcoms in the '70's and I spent 6 and a half years living, studying and working in the U.K. between '79 & '85, the last 3 and a half in the Civil Service ( MAFF ).

    As far as I can tell British humour could be characterised by the following:

    a) A strong desire to banish any hint of social embarrassment i.e. we'll just keep making jokes 'til everyone forgets what was making us uncomfortable.

    b) A deep affection for the absurd e.g. Monty Python, A Hitchhikers guide etc... and Thinks favourite The Goodies.

    c) Black humour, with a heavy dose of irony. Useful for surviving wars, miners strikes and SS 20's pointed at your city.

    I apologise for my earlier statement - I get frustrated by the endless streams of insults hurled back and forth on this and other sites. Maybe I should take up Yoga.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    267
    anglotino
    “I even plan on practising in South America. Countries that are developing have a much higher calling for architects, urban planners and urban designers. I still haven't decided my major just yet.”

    lol. what do you know about architecture?
    nothing?
    and are you planning on practising in south america?
    lol
    do you know something about the different (dozens) of urban planning codes or building codes?
    no?
    and do you know how to say hello in spanish or portuguese, at least?
    no?
    then stay in your village, loser.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Paul

    “what do you know about architecture?”
    More every day as I'm at university studying it!

    “are you planning on practising in south america?”
    Umm yes.... that is why I said: 'I even plan on practising in South America'

    ”do you know something about the different (dozens) of urban planning codes or building codes?“
    Umm no. No one does. This is something that you learn on the job or through continuing education as no degree could even teach me all the different building or planning codes in my own country. Also they are changing all the time.

    Also, dozens? Try thousands!

    ”do you know how to say hello in spanish or portuguese, at least?“
    Yes and no.

    ”then stay in your village, loser“

    Well it seems that as I am studying architecture/urban design, plan on practising in South America, will learn the urban and building codes when I decide where I will work and can speak Spanish.... seems I don't have to stay in my ”village”.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    269 Paulo

    ”do you know something about the different (dozens) of urban planning codes or building codes?
    no?
    and do you know how to say hello in spanish or portuguese, at least?
    no?
    then stay in your village, loser.“

    Gosh, can't tell you anything, LOL !!

    Paulo,
    Your sort of insults and insecure xenophobic rants just show how childish you are.
    I suspect that Anglotino has been studying and working in Architecture for years.
    Probably at one of those superior universities you'll never attend.
    Local civil codes aside, design principles are universal.
    Oh! Do you think that's where the term ”University“ is derived from?

    We all know who the real ”loser” is.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Troy

    Thanks mate! Actually I'm about to start just my second year so not that far into considering my first year was part time. But I have been working with engineers for several years now, so it has given me a different perspective to design that is missing from many of the students that are straight out of high school

    And I do like to think that my uni is pretty well thought of. University of Melbourne ranks pretty high in the world. 34 by The Times and 56 by Shanghai. Competition to get in is pretty fierce.

    And while I have a choice of exchange to Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Colombia, I will most likely be spending a year of my degree in Bogota.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Anglotino

    Looks like I needn't have bothered saying anything, your reply said it all.

    More than anything, Paul seems to be intimidated by outsiders and those more educated than himself, “threatened” would be a better word.
    I'm sure you noticed that he has fixated on the comparative educational rankings.

    In my 20's while I was at school, several of my friends and roommates were “Archetypes”. To the man, they all found it a very rewarding profession.
    As an impoverished student, it was my good fortune to house-sit for extended periods in an Architect's oceanfront home in West Vancouver. He was a follower of F. L. Wright. His home reflected this, and a strong Japanese influence - we called it “The Imperial Hotel”.
    That was great for a student, but a long time ago. However, those times have left me with more of an appreciation for the places I visit, now.

    Good luck in your career, what a wonderful opportunity for you to live and work in all sorts of wonderful places!

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 268 Heisenbergcontext

    Thank you for your apology, I appreciate it and totally understand and share your frustrations.

    Your understanding of British humour is very perceptive and spot on!

    I was born in West Bromwich in 1946, a “baby boomer” and was fascinated by your family history.

    Keep going, all us Brits appreciate your views.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    anglotino
    you need to work in a local architectural office first.
    so, you will be competing with several other young local architects who have really studied the local codes, normative, standards, etc. at university.
    construction technologies also change a lot between the different countries.
    you lot think south america is like a homogeneous block, and except uruguay and argentina, the rest is totally different.
    so, learn spanish / portuguese and learn the metric system first of all.

    pestilent
    “Your sort of insults...”
    what insults?
    it was just a bit of rant, you drama queen.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Why bother with building codes when you can just pay the inspector $500 pesos to pass it?
    Psst maybe that is why so many buildings in Argentina, fall down, explode, roofs fly off in moderate wind...etc etc etc every year, year in and year out.

    Plus I have a sneaking suspicion none of the slums have ever seen a building inspector.
    How do they get away with that Paul?
    Hahahahaha

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    To Yankeeboy:

    Hi there buddy, an Argentinian here, or as you despectively call, “Rg”, “argie”, etc.

    First of all, I´d like to say i AGREE with basically all that you have said here. Argentina is basically screwed. However, not every single Argentinian is lazy, short-minded, ignorant, corrupt, Kirchner-fan, etc.

    I work. I pay my taxes. I have never paid nor requested a bribe. I feel terribly bad when I see how we are going down to the sewer without scales, and that every year is worse.

    Decades of ignorance, populism and cr*p have created a legion of people who lives out of gov-paid aid. In exchange of nothing but their eternal vote and support. They are more than the ones who think this country should be doing things way different. I wish I could change things, but sadly speaking up my voice is not enough. And I have no other tools than that and my insignificant vote.

    Trust me, watching that poor excuse of a human being named CFK is enough. I really don´t need to be insulted by you nor anybody else who has had the immense good luck of being born in another country.

    if it was for me, I wish we were the 51st state. To h*ll with independence, that´s for mature countries and we are not. Let´s try with those who have proved to know how to manage their business.

    Well, that´s all I wanted to say. Hey, maybe we could reach an agreement with our neighbors from the FI; they manage Argentina, but CFK has to go ;)

    Thanks for letting me release some pressure and frustrations here.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    yes dimwit
    only in argentina
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22788986
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22788986

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @274 ChrisR

    Cheers big ears.

    @275 PaulCedron

    We ( Australia ) adopted the metric system, gradually, in 1970. I remember when the road signs changed - 65mph to 110kmh etc..

    Having already started school and learned the imperial system I had to learn the new system, the legacy of which is that I, and many others of my generation, are comfortable with both forms of measurement.

    Btw, just a suggestion - if you take everything said about both yourself and your country personally you'll go nuts. Good manners are in short supply in this environment.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    277. Immigrate to the USA, we like good law abiding workers. I feel sorry for the people who do work and want the system to work like it should. Alas that will never happen in Argentina. It will only get worse until a Dictator takes over and purges everyone and everything that believes in Peronism.
    Peronism like Socialism is a sickness. It must be cleansed from the Society.
    I hope you will be okay with the coming hyperinflation. I've been telling the posters here to buy non-perishables like sugar or laundry detergent to trade.

    Tinkaroo, Take a read about your “Gramercy Plan” in Lanacion today. It looks like it is failing spectacularly like the PC “negotiations”.
    Are you ever right about anything? Time of day maybe?
    Gads it must be frustrating to think you are smart and every day proven wrong, utterly and completely wrong.

    Looks like imported Agricultural supplies are not being sold in peso. Some places have just closed up shop.
    And there are NO open soy contract. NONE
    I guess they are waiting for the other shoe to drop.

    BCRA still spending U$100MM/day to support the Peso.
    Dumb as the day is long
    Might as well just throw the money down the toilet.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 280 “Peronism like Socialism is a sickness”

    YES SIR IT IS. A filthy sickness.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    278. Why don't you read links before you post them? It just makes you look foolish. Simply googling US building collapse or UK building collapse doesn't support your rebuttal to my post.
    For gosh sakes how many buildings blew up in Argentina in 2013! BLEW UP!
    Take a read of the articles you posted, one is about ancient plaster falling, not collapse and the other is about a crane operator causing mayham. BTW if I remember correctly he ended up killing himself before he was arrested.
    Either you are dumb or lazy or is it both.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    282
    yankeefat
    mayham?
    is it some kind of ham, you yankee glutton?

    building collapses are provoked by cranes 99 % of the times when they work between dividing walls or medianeras.
    most of all when they only have 8.66 meter wide to operate.
    get informed before posting, glutton.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @277 “if it was for me, I wish we were the 51st state. To h*ll with independence, that´s for mature countries and we are not. Let´s try with those who have proved to know how to manage their business. ”

    Yes, right let´s bend down to the Americans and be their pets forever. Humans don´t need help to manage, only animals do, that´s why the Africans were and still are considered subhuman. The problem isn´t just Peronism, it´s the people who don´t want to prove their humanity and remain as dogs. At least the Peronists have pride.

    @280 “ It will only get worse until a Dictator takes over and purges everyone and everything that believes in Peronism.
    Peronism like Socialism is a sickness. It must be cleansed from the Society. ”

    Yeah, like how Hitler wanted to clean Germany of the Jews, or Russia killing all capitalists. Even your hero Pinochet was saner. Our military realised it was a stupid idea over 40 years ago. You can´t cleanse an ideology, no matter how much you disagree with.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 284

    When you have a problem, the first thing to do is to admit it. Then you find how to get it over, and if you can´t the smart thing to do is to ask for help. Don´t try to sell to me that “national pride” BS, which has only being good to justify abuses and incompetents in power for the last 70 years.

    Argentina has failed. Period.

    You go and sink to the very bottom wrapped with your pride. I don´t want that anymore. I want to live in a normal country, a decent life, rather than surviving gov after gov of “genius & saviors” just to see I´m worse than before they took office.

    And maybe, just maybe, we will learn how to be a mature country again.

    /

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    283. That is exactly what happened in Philly, it was criminal and had nothing to do with poor quality construction. WHICH WAS MY POINT genius.

    284. An Argentinian version of Pinochet is exactly what you need to cleans that vile poisonous ideology from the society. It will take at least a generation maybe 2. It won't be easy but it will be worth it.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “That is exactly what happened in Philly”
    and that is what happened in b.a.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    287, Er, what about the gas explosions in Rosario? The roof blowing off in Pinamar, the multiple building collapses in BA due to poor construction?

    I know way more about Arg than you will ever know about The USA so don'e even bother with the ridiculous whataboutery.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    288
    those building collapses in ba were caused by cranes that hit the medianeras.
    that's why the neighbour building collapsed and not the one that was being builded.
    got it, genius?

    the gas explosion in rosario was due to a gas leak in an old building.

    and what roof blowing off in pinamar?
    do you mean the balcony collapse of 1992?
    this is a roof blown off,
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-25242781
    the problem is you know nothing about argentina or about construction.
    so shut it, fatty..

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    289. The gas explosion in Rosario was caused by a unauthorized, poorly installed gas connection. Obviously bribes were paid.

    Buildings were damaged for several blocks surrounding the blast, with bricks, glass and cement crashing on to the street. Eleven schools were evacuated and several shops and other apartment buildings were damaged
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/07/gas-explosion-collapses-apartment-block

    Death and destruction is the price of corruption.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 289 “a cold prune” aka “The Cement Mixer”

    This wouldn’t be you would it: Poster No. 5
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10836159

    I don’t think it could be given that he is quite lucid and doesn’t hurl abuse when he cannot reply to a question (because you are dumb, dummy).

    Ha, ha, ha.

    @ 282 yankeeboy
    The Cement Mixer is so poorly educated he is convinced he knows everything. :o)

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @285 “When you have a problem, the first thing to do is to admit it. Then you find how to get it over, and if you can´t the smart thing to do is to ask for help. Don´t try to sell to me that “national pride” BS, which has only being good to justify abuses and incompetents in power for the last 70 years.

    Argentina has failed. Period. ”

    The smart thing to do isn't to ask for help. You think mature countries respect countries that ask for help? No, to them the people in those countries are nothing more than animals. Today they still laugh at us, but not as much as when we were colonies. If you are human, then you must prove your humanity just like the mature countries did. Mature countries are those who didn't ask for help to fix themselves. If you ask for help, then no matter how civilised you are, you are still an animal, because humans don't need help.
    Don't believe the politically correct BS that all humans are equal, that they have all the same rights, that a Latino or an African is the same as an American. That's all lies that they tell to themselves to get over their guilt for screwing up during the colonial era. But deep down they still believe in the White Man's Burden, that they are human who have the right to tame the “savages”. But even when they “civilized” them they would never see as anything more than pets. But they can't keep the mask on all the time.
    If you really want to be a toilet cleaning monkey, you can go to any first world country, soon you'll learn how much of a human you really are.
    We have problems, but humans fix problems, they don't ask for help. Even Zimbabwe at least has some dignity left, the Africans at least know they have to prove their humanity, that's why they rebelled. And Africa is improving, so there's no reason we can't as well.
    @286 “It won't be easy but it will be worth it.” No, it's never worth it. Even in a dictatorship, another dictatorship is never worth it.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    292. Sounds to me like you have quite an inferiority complex.

    Care to explain the difference with the FAILED Alba/MercoSur nations to the USA aligned Pacific Alliance nations?
    Are they sub-human animals?
    They asked for our help, they received our help, live by standards/rules/regs that we BOTH adhere to and lo and behold they are all doing very well.

    You are clearly mentally unstable. Get some help.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    291 Chris

    ”I don’t think it could be given that he is quite lucid and doesn’t hurl abuse when he cannot reply to a question (because you are dumb, dummy).”

    I don't think the NZ team would hesitate to punch his lights out if Paul spoke to them as he does other Anglophones.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    295
    and what have the ABs got to do with all this?
    the problem, troy, is not with the anglophones, but with the racists with superiority complex like you and toilet cleaner chris.
    in fact, both the kiwi and english players have demonstrated they are true gentlemen on and off the pitch when they played here.

    we cannot say the same about you and chris, can we?

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @277 SebaSvtz
    uuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
    another screen name from the uk team...
    27,000 + screen names ....
    for what?
    they all sound the same: worthless!

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Another expat that got frustrated of the fact that nobody listens to him there where he chose to live...

    Get it folks, you are in SA to waste your pensions, not to impose your wills.

    The faster you understand this, the happier you'll become.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @293 “
    Care to explain the difference with the FAILED Alba/MercoSur nations to the USA aligned Pacific Alliance nations?
    Are they sub-human animals?
    They asked for our help, they received our help, live by standards/rules/regs that we BOTH adhere to and lo and behold they are all doing very well.”

    There's a big difference between borrowing money and live by standards and being a colony. The countries in the Pacific Alliance are still independent, and I don't see how what they did is any different than borrowing from a bank. They didn't really have much help.
    The difference between the Pacific Alliance and ALBA is that the countries in the Pacific Alliance did a lot of business with the USA and trust them. But we don't trust the USA, even when we do business with them.
    The Peronists tried to deal with the USA but they didn't get what they wanted. The Peronists wanted the USA to pay all the people in the government who would burn the whole country otherwise. The Americans refused, so now the Peronists want to isolate the country as much as possible while throwing a bone to the Americans every now and then to leave us alone until the USA falls down and we can deal with whatever replaces them, which will hopefully help us. I don't agree with them but I admit their idea is the only way to solve the problem they caused in the short term without risking a civil war.

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  • yankeeboy

    298. If the Peronists are waiting for the USA to fail. They're going to have a very long wait.
    My guess is they'll be gone long before we are gone.

    You might want to do a little more research on the assistance we've given Chile, Columbia, Peru throughout the decades.
    We're not just their banker.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I had to laugh!

    Www.twitter.com/elNinoRodriguez/status/427482649020887040/photo/1?screen_name=elNinoRodriguez

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (268) Heisenbergcontext

    You left BALDRICK out!

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 295 “a cold prune” aka “The Cement Mixer”
    “we cannot say the same about you and Chris, can we?”

    So you think we are not true gentlemen?

    I am glad to be told that by somebody who talks to himself. BTW you reap what you sow, go figure.

    @ 301 Lunatic
    “You left BALDRICK out”

    Don’t worry, take a look in the mirror but subtract 30 years and add twice your brain cell count and you might have something half as good to look at.

    Glad to help a really old duffer.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    CAPTAIN POPPY.
    If many of you make too partial lectures about the problems of my country, it's not my responsabilty, search better information, and be serious when you refer to the situation of arg., instead of insulting.
    I am not neather comunist nor anticapitalist, what i want is a serious capitalism, where oligopolic positions don't exist for any sector of economy, and where the state charges rich people high taxes in order to have an equal society. That's why it's necesary a strong state which mitigates the high social assimetries that capitalism generates, otherwise there will always be many sectors of our society who will be excluded of the sistem. The countries that i admire the most are sweden, denmark, norway, finland, belgium, and netherlands, all these are capitalist countries, which have strong states that intervens on economy, that's why they have such low social assimetries. In my comment 225, i tell about not only the falencies of c. f. k's government, i also tell about the historic behaviour of all the social actors who interven in this complicated situation, i think i have been perfectly clear, haven't i?.

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  • yankeeboy

    303. Do you not realize everyone here thinks you are retarded?

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    YANKEEBOY: Do you realize that i never answer your comments, because i am not disposed to waste my time with such a reactionary and mediocre individuall like you who just insults?.
    It's pretty obvious that most people here don't agree in absolut with my ideologies, but most them have always treated me respecfully, despite they don't agree in absolut with most i express in my comments, however you, and a few more reactionary people who just insult, have always been the exceptions.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Axel, you say the stupidest things over and over ad nauseum. YOU have a too partial analysis EVERYONE HAS POINTED IT OUT.but you are too clearly stupid to take the hint.
    I just telling you what everyone is thinking.
    Im that way.
    Elephant in the room and all that

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You might be an elephant, yanqui, but you are transparent...

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Great Article!

    http://moneyweek.com/bill-bonner-argentina-is-going-down/

    Argentina is going down

    Argentina seems much too quirky and particular to be responsible for this. For example, it’s the only place we know where you get better banking services out on the sidewalk than in the bank.

    Every time we go, we take a big wad of green pieces of paper with Ben Franklin’s picture on them. Then, driving directly to the town square in Salta, we simply stop the truck and beckon over one of the many black-market money-changers standing in front of the bank.

    Last year at this time, one Ben Franklin would bring you nine pieces of paper with Julio Argentino Roca’s picture in purple.

    Roca was no match for Franklin.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And now you are upset too...

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

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    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Tinakroo, Your Gramercy plan is going down in flames just like your Paris Club prediction.
    Are you ever right?
    Even a broken clock is right 2x a day
    But not you!
    Does that mean you are dumber than a broken clock?
    Methinks it does

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @301 Think

    My brother would agree with you. My preference was Yes Minister and it's successor - required viewing in the Civil Service. Sheer genius.

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    310
    .....CabezaDura....Welcome back...;-)))

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Stevie

    Look at your beloved China...some very very rich people and “the masses” are piss poor...with virtually no access to decent health service benefits and welfare or education...have you ever been there??

    Look at your hated UK...the masses are middle class, with decent welfare, an excellent health service free at the point of use, and a world class education system.

    Which one is capitalist.....which one socialist/ LOL

    China should be everything you hate...a minority of very rich bleeding the poor masses.

    But you are too dumb and racist and see a rich country (where the vast majority are terribly poor) that isnt Anglosphere and are beloved to it...good luck with that

    China is far more capitalist with a far more brutal social conscience than any Anglosphere country.

    Of course Stevieism....pig ignorant child-like racist stupidy...may be the way forward for Uruguay...LOL...it certainly reflects its past.

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Everyone is talking about scary economic happenings in China. I think there are a lot of people worried about how they're going to fix the mess they've gotten themselves into.

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Could someone explain the need for a “ blue dollar ” I really would like to know the HONEST reason for it. Why can't you just walk into a bank as most Europeans do and purchase US$ at an official bank rate. This is a serious question.
    A lot of governments in Latin America accept the fact that there is a “ blue dollar ” why is it not illegal, and if it is why not stamp it out?

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @317 The government doesn´t have any more dollars to sell, the few we have will be used to pay for debt and fuel. Without the clamp we would already have 10 trillion peso bills. In the end the gov´t can only delay the inevitable.
    As soon as it became clear CFK would win by a landslide on the 2011 elections everyone who could quickly got every single dollar they could out of the country. The central bank reserves lost billions in a couple of weeks. After the elections the clamp was set but it only slowed down the capital flight.

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Inglesesputos

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  • yankeeboy

    Rut Ro just under 13/1

    The farmers ( and everyone else) won't sell anything until this is settled down.
    Recession and 50+% inflation
    That's sounds like a dream...a bad dream...a nightmare

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (313) Heisenbergcontext

    What have “Yes Minister” & “Yes Prime Minister” documentary series to do with British humour?

    Anyhow......

    Hail the great Sir HUMPHREY!

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Think what does a packett of 1 kg yerba mate cost down south in Chubut?? Sugar?? Fruit ?' tomatoes?? Yeahh you know all the stuff you have to bring from up north plus all the inflation on it ??

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    1 kilo of peaches costs 1/2 of a days wage of the Avg Rg.

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @322
    “yerba mate”? “Sugar”? ?...not in the year 2014..
    @323
    like usa citizens @$8.25 p/hour= gross salary $1,320 - $240 deductions=$1,080 minus Rent $700.00 utilities $240 Transportation, Food, etc. = Zero in pockets.
    BTW, usa workers get paid their salary every 2 weeks...because of the high cost of living...

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “Even a broken clock is right 2x a day
    But not you!
    Does that mean you are dumber than a broken clock?
    Methinks it does”

    YankeeBoy, you rock!
    (Can I borrow that and just spam the trolls with it? ROTFL!!!!)

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @321 Think

    I think that's called having a bob each way.

    @322 CD2

    Greetings CD.

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    326) HC

    Hey ya

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    324. I can tell you from experience no landlord would rent an apartment costing 700 to someone making 1020. At 70% of your pay you can't afford to live there. Find something for $300 and you'll be just fine.

    BTW my maid makes more than that in 3 days you must suck at your job.

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @328 “BTW” Superb! Making it real for the people! Home truths!

    Now I know you may have seen this on my other posts, but for the benefit of those that have not.....
    Welcome to your Future Argentina!
    Today's numbers are.... (drum roll please!)
    --- Official Bolivarian ‘Wonderland’ Exchange Rate in Venezuela
    BCV 6.3Bsf / 1USD
    SICAD 11.3Bsf /1 USD (Ancillary Foreign Currency Administration System)
    ---- reality check ---
    Blue or ‘lechuga verde’
    79.31 Bsf / 1USD
    Bsf 105.44 / 1 Euro
    See http://dolartoday.com/
    To show how different exchange rates impact normal consumers in Venezuela, Reuters calculated that a McDonald's Big Mac Combo would cost $2 at a black market exchange, $14 at the Sicad rate and $25 at the official exchange rate.
    (and for the trollitos, this is mere an 'accessible index' published by The Economist and is for those can not deal with Grown-Up numbers, equally 'Big Mac' comments will only show you to be facile...)
    xx ;-)

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 296

    You´re dead wrong.
    I´m Argentinian and that´s what I honestly think. And I´m not the only one. Face it, whether you like it or not.
    /

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #303 you are addressing me and lecturing everyone here. Who is your intended audience.....me.....or everyone?

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    295 Paulo the cement mixer

    “and what have the ABs got to do with all this?
    the problem, troy, is not with the anglophones, but with the racists with superiority complex like you and toilet cleaner chris.
    in fact, both the kiwi and english players have demonstrated they are true gentlemen on and off the pitch when they played here.”

    Paul, ever since you came on here, you have been attacking us and condemning us as a society.
    We tried to show you multiple links and references to dispute the “history” you were taught in school.
    THAT led to a stream of personal insults from you.

    It is very clear that you do not read your own biased links, let alone the ones we show you. You never enter into a discussion about the differing views, you just dismiss, or choose to disbelieve, them and hurl insults.

    Sorry, “Buddy ”, right back atcha.
    I have explained to you more than once that I do not hate your people or your culture, but I DO HATE YOUR GOVERNMENT that has an international propaganda campaign to try to discredit us and blame us for your failed economy, with the intention of getting out of paying back the $100b that your politicians mis-spent on failed ventures, or put in their friends pockets.

    Part of that strategy includes a campaign of distraction to gain popular support from your people with a Nationalist cause to take their minds off their failing economy and a Peronist government that is screwing them.

    You, the gullible, help their cause by attacking us without questioning the “history” that you have been fed by that same group, since 1940.

    Try reading the stuff you post and consider more sources.

    I challenge you to show me a post where I have made racist comments against the Argentines or SA people.
    Their governments however, are responsible for their actions and I won't pull any punches when supporters like Stevie and Think accuse us of crimes and theft, or insult us racially.
    Now, you seem to be doing that too.

    Fcuk off!

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You wont pull any punches?

    Have we started yet?

    Troy, should you do a facepalm, you'd hit your shoulder...

    I never insult, I merely throw your truths in your face. Has nothing to do with the caucacian race. You lot insult. Constantly.

    Matter of fact, insults are your main arguments...

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    330 SebaSvtz

    You say...:
    “I´m Argentinian and that´s what I honestly think. And I´m not the only one. Face it, whether you like it or not.”

    I say...:
    ”I´m Argentinean too and I honestly disagree with most of what you have written so far....
    I know that you are not the only one that Thinks that way...
    I also know that you know that we are many in Argentina that disagree with what you Think...
    I hope you can face it..., whether you like it or not..., and continue working for your ideas, respecting those of others...

    We do...

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    333
    Stevie

    “I never insult, I merely throw your truths in your face. Has nothing to do with the caucacian race. You lot insult. Constantly.

    Matter of fact, insults are your main arguments... ”
    You are already on record stating that “South America is for South Americans, we WE ARE ALL ALIKE, we are hermanos against others ” blah blah blah, “Caucasians” as you just pointed out, are another race and “do not belong”
    - ie, race is the deciding factor to you, as to who is included, from your point of view.

    Hmmm, sounds racist to me.

    Is Paulo not able to defend himself??

    Obviously not.

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Many weird, twisted ideas do make sense in your head, Troy.

    I'm not responsable for those either...

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    It's a Bird......? It's a Plane......? It's Superargie!

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/464ee9f7bec2fcea1648bc198a6d8ce0/tumblr_n065t0NY1w1rf9hn3o1_1280.jpg

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Stunning, Think. Simply gorgeous... But who's the guy in white?

    ;)

    Grande Pancho!!

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Dunno ;-)

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @328
    The low income earnings is not my situation. I'm fine. I don't need to work.
    The fact is that millons of usa citizens cannot afford to live well working for minimum wage.
    The unemployed usa citizens are waiting for Congress to find funds to pay them.
    The unemployed have lost everything, savings, home, and don't have any other help than receiving charity assistance. Very bad times in the USA.

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    330 SebaSvtz

    Seba,

    Don't worry, “ron_57” is actually “Sussie”, one of the stupidest Trolls.

    He seems to have a substance abuse problem - his capabilities and his moody rants fluctuate madly.

    He seems to think he is a woman, but has a fixation with anal sex.

    He tries to impress people by saying he lives in the USA, yet knows nothing about it.

    “Sussie” usually makes a few ludicrous statements or an obscene rant, before buggering off.
    He is not capable of logical argument - attention span of a child, or a drug addict.

    We usually ignore him, but feel free to verbally abuse him - he loves it.

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @341
    aaaah....isolde posting under a male screen name!
    uuuuuuuuujajaja

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I think sussie is concerned about 3.5 million Americans earning minimum wage is because she can't turn a trick.

    Sussie maybe they should get an education if they want to earn more

    Troy do you think sussie was originally a guy?

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Poppy,

    I think Sussie likes to perpetuate the fiction that he lives in the US.

    From the context of many of his earlier posts in 2012, he seems to think it not only impresses South Americans and other Trolls, but he mistakenly believes it gives him more credibility, as though he has first hand knowledge - NOT!!

    In an attempt to shock or disgust, Sussie's posts often made references to what a beautiful woman he was and explicit, graphic, comments about having sex with men. He was particularly fixated with violent anal rape of men. He repeated it frequently as though he was 'getting off' on it.
    “Sussie” ( ron_57) also made disturbing remarks about attacking Isolde and killing her children in their Falkland home.

    He is every much an attention craving narcissist, that much is plain, but I have never come across a woman who speaks about anal rape the way he does.

    Maybe I'm wrong, I don't go to Ladyboy web sites, but this “Sussie” individual shows signs of being dangerously disturbed.

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Why are you two talking about rape and arses?
    Is it an old habit from boy school?

    That's a weird thing to choose out of the blue...

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @344

    say whatever you want... is bloody rubbish british!

    27,000 screen names placed by the islanders in this web sh*t hole indicates all of you are insane...posting from the slum islands... .....including old man Poppy!

    Jan 30th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Narine T. Nüster

    EUians let's calm down.

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    346 ron_57 er... “Sussie”

    Remember, “Sussie”, what you told us:

    ““Cristina looks like me after a day of work. As a working woman I understand her. I am a strong Argentinean woman and not matter what you say I will be here for 4 more years.
    Those people who copy me...///... you can’t copy me, I am Susana Brown.
    I do live in US.”

    and

    “ My parents sent me to USA. Here I have to work real hard turning lots of tricks, lots of man...sometimes 15 a day.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/24/cristina-fernandez-in-good-health-condition-but-still-in-rest-and-recovery

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Oh God just read those comments. PMSL. So many removed posts but the rest were pure class.

    Keep it up EUians. Show those Mercosaurians up.

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You lot dalling about rape, arses and ladyboys.

    I understand you think it's pure class, Anglolatino.

    Fits you like... you know...

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    No Stevie I don't know.

    Please feel free to explain.

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    troy remember all the names that sussie would have? Always something with USA in it. USAcitizensupports RG....usloveRG.....us ...etc etc.....lol

    They never lasted too long. Do to recall it always asking for my address? lol.....it lived in Phoenix also.......jumped all around. I don't think it ever got out of the camp lab once.

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yes you know.... :)

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Well that comeback was what has come to be expected of you.

    I see you couldn't clarify anything. Hardly surprising.

    Thanks mate.

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (353) Stevie

    Yes he knows.... ;-)

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    BCRA lost U$250MM yesterday. They are going to go broke trying to support the peso.
    I bet inflation is over 50% in 2014 too.
    Does that count as hyperinflation?
    I would think so...

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 341 Thanks Troy, I´ll keep that in mind ;)

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Ahh in true thug fashion, govt aligned spokespeople are calling for the SOY to be impounded if the Farmers refuse to sell.
    I can see them trying but not succeeding.
    I think the farmers are better armed

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    At least we don't teach nuns to fly..lol

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I hope they are armed. I hope they shoot their asses up.

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Think
    Of course he knows... :)

    As for these two Texas Rangers here, shouldn't you two help people out around USA? News are saying 11 dead in the cold so far and I remember you lot being worried about the 6 (?) Argentines that died in the heatwave.
    How was it? You lot merely turn on the air condition, right?

    And yanqui, I see your balls yet again failed to save your countrymen...
    Not the first time, is it? Is that why you are so upset?

    Jan 31st, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My balls are legendary but I would go so far as saying they have healing powers.
    8/330mm! Phew call the police!

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Curing the hemorrhoids would make you a happier man...

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    363, Did you cure yours by closing your mouth?

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    ”I remember you lot being worried about the 6 (?) Argentines that died in the heatwave.”

    Point to my post you refer to from me?

    As for Texas Ranger......you confuse my early days of another type of Ranger.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Also Im thinking those 8 were probably car wrecks or homeless who couldn't get to a shelter. Not old people trapped in their hot highrise apt with no water or electricity.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (365) Captain Poppy

    Uhhhhhhhh!
    An old Georgian Ranger!

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yeah that's the worst part yb in BsAs city........water. The water is there for a day or so, but then it's gone. Nothing gets pumped up to the roof.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My goodness are they still having water issues in BA? That is outrageous! I can't believe people aren't rioting yet.
    When I first moved there I couldn't figure out why everyone had those huge unsightly tanks on the buildings. But I soon figured it out!
    It is amazing the extra steps the avg Rg has to go through to compensate for a corrupt gov't.
    It is exhausting and one of the reasoned I moved back to civilization.

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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