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Mantega insists that the Mercosur/EU trade agreement includes Argentina

Saturday, January 25th 2014 - 00:28 UTC
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Mercosur is preparing for trade negotiations with the European Union and they include Argentina, said on Friday Brazilian finance minister Guido Mantega at the World Economic Forum taking place in Davos, Switzerland. The comment seems to contradict other recent statements which said the trade deal with the EU will go forward with or without a reluctant Argentina. Read full article


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  • Troy Tempest

    Where is Mercosur member, Venezuela, in all this?

    Why doesn't Brazil realise they are being pulled down by the boat anchour, Argentina ?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tik Tok

    Mantega has absolutely no credibility - zero, zilch. His statements are a waste of newspaper space.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Best of luck with that then.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    “We plan to do it with Argentina” is not the same thing at all as “we won't do it without Argentina”. You say the former for LA damage limitations when you know you are going to do the latter.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    This guy is a pathological liar and his words are therefore valueless.

    Brazil’s economic problems will continue until he is removed.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “Mercosur currently is going through ”a moment of very good harmony“ among members' governments. ”Mercosur and South America are en route to becoming a region of a great economic boost in the near future”

    totally agree.
    the islets, on the other hand, will remain isolated by definition.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    One more small sample that Brazil has not grown up yet on the world stage. Period.


    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    LATAM will only do it with the Pacific Alliance.

    Despite your wishful thinking, Mercosur is only holding you back.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    the good thing about mercosur and most of all the CALC, is that they consider malvinas as an integral part of the argentinian territory.
    again, the islets will remain isolated.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Isolated? Hmm Chile is there, UK is there, France is there, Italy is there, USA is there.
    Isolated from whom?
    Alba nations?
    The poorest most corrupt counties in the hemisphere
    who cares?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    isleño thinking as an isleño.
    you are rejected by your neighbours, then you are isolated.
    got it?
    france and italy are there? where?
    they will always be withn argentina, uruguay, etc, of course

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    If they were isolated I guess they'd know.
    Thanks for letting them know

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Notices from Brazil: Brazil speak portuguese, my notices writes in portuguese...

    Brasil is CPLP
    Brasil is a DREAM
    Brasil is América Spanish too
    Brasil is my heart
    Brasil is my......only mine.....only TOTAL PEACE....TOTAL WAR

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    who are they, you impostor?
    YOU are the isleños and you are isolated, you halfwit.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Paul you are as think as a plank. I am American, I've told you 3-4x now. I could care less if you believe me.
    You've obviously have never been to the Falklands, I have and believe me they are not Isolated as you want to claim.
    The grocery stores were full, they were all driving brand new 4x4, the pubs were full, it is lovely clean, safe and well managed.
    Everything Argentina is not

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    and what can you know about argentina yank?

    almost 1.000.000 brand new cars sold in 2013

    record sales of motorcycles

    record sales in shopping centers

    you deserve to spend your life or your vacations or whatever in that dump.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    In what universe could you compare a population of 3000 with one of 44MM?
    Why don't you compare Argentina to Australia or Canada? Because it makes you look like a bunch of lazy thieves?
    Yeah it does

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    you are not the brightest of the bunch, are you?
    it seems the fat is clogging your tiny brain.
    the comparison, you halfwit, is with the historic sales in argentina, not with the islets.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    France is there with respect to one of their largest companies EDF investing in Falkland oil exploration.

    Italy is there in respect to one of their energy companies investing in Falkland oil exploration

    The USA is there in respect to one of their large oil companies, and numerous suppliers, rig companies and subcontractors being involved with the Falklands oil exploration

    South Africa is there in that their refineries are being prepared to receive Falklands oil

    The UK is there in respect to their oil companies being involved in the development of the Falklands oil fields.

    This is before we start with numerous fisheries and other trade agreements that exist with Chile, Asia and Europe.

    Sadly whilst you revel in this “isolation”... The islanders have found business partners elsewhere.

    What is sad is that the oil will flow and nobody in Argentina will that is a shame.

    I am talking about realities Paul...when Argentine pensioners struggle to heat their homes, when Argentine business struggles with high energy costs...perhaps Nestor ripping up the oil agreements will seem a mistake.

    For what?

    To continue a dodgy 200 year old gripe...that any idiot can see is pointless and without merit.

    That is stupidity...

    All the while, the islanders are doing very very nicely in their (non) isolation.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “What is sad is that the oil will flow and nobody in Argentina will that is a shame.”
    that means nothing for argentina.
    our oil reserves, without considering vaca muerta, are 2,505,000,000 barrels.
    with vaca muerta we are one of the biggest payers in shale oil.
    but nobody here dreams we will be like dubai.
    you should do the same.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    20. Its too bad its in still in the ground and probably will be for another decade or two.
    You could really use it now with the BCRA reserves quickly approaching the point of no return.
    doncha think?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    it seems Apache, ExxonMobil and Americas Petrogas, France's Total, Canada's Madalena Ventures and Azabache, Royal Dutch Shell, the local affiliate of Brazil's Petrobras, Argentina's Tecpetrol, and Pan American Energy, controlled by Britain's BP do not think the same as you, yankee chav.
    now, in whom can i trust?
    in you or in a dozen of oil companies?

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    Taking your numbers (2 billion barrels)....for a 40 million population, that isn't too impressive.

    The Falkland islanders already have a 500m barrel resource across 2 discoveries, with maybe another 200-300m in the highly likely category to be proven in the next 12 months.

    There are only 3000 of them!!

    They also already have the cash to develop the first discovery.

    I am sorry you can't see the potential of having this oil on your doorstep...which unlike shale gas/oil doesn't require frakking and flows under its own pressure.

    Like I say, seems insane to me that you guys let 200 year old propaganda deny you a share....Already equivalent to 1/5 of what you have in total.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    talking seriously, without all that rant, ultra nationalism, chauvinism, etc. i think it would have been good to have some projects in common with the islanders.
    guess that opportunity is totally gone now,
    the attempts of di tella, and most of all of cisneros to do it, seem to be pre historic now.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 20 “a cold prune” (love that, don’t you) it’s you, dummy.
    2,505,000,000 barrels, eh! Impressive.

    Did you bother to look at little old UK (or England as you pratts who keep getting it wrong)? No, I didn’t think you would be able to comprehend that.

    The UK has 2,858,000,000! That’s 353,000,000 MORE barrels than you idiots. Ha, ha, ha.

    AND, who in his right mind tears up an agreement that will give him access to oil at today’s price AND LEAVES YOUR OIL IN THE GROUND? You could leave it there until the price rises and you make more money. Nobody but Cyclops could have fucked you up so badly. Ha, ha, ha.

    BUT, you can’t because like all LatAms your pride makes you rage at anybody that you “think” is putting one over on you EVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT!

    Stupid, Corrupt Bastards the Peronistas, always have been, always will be.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    22. You can list as many companies as you want. Getting concession and slow walking development until CFK and cronies are gone is their game plan.
    Who in their right mind would invest in a country that is clearly falling apart? They do have investors to answer to.
    As I said it will be a decade or two before you see any oil
    Plus even if it does come out of the ground you have no spare refining or transport capabilities. Do you think this just materializes?
    Good gracious you are stupid.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    Me too...I think it's a crying shame.

    I am not sure it is dead, it just requires the will to fix it.

    I'd even go as far as to believe that the islanders would want to have some form of relationship (perhaps similar to the one it has with the Uk) with Argentina....if Argentina was like what you'd like Argentina to be like.

    However, sadly, your government doesn't want doesn't even want to start down that prefers confrontation, ridiculous rhetoric and trying to cut the islanders off.

    Crikey...imagine a joint venture...a gas pipeline from the islands...a partnership.

    Think of how many pretty argentine girls you could send to the islands as “consultants”” a couple of generations the islanders would be a lovely mix...

    Like you say...seems further away than's a shame!

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    Your English was very good - what happened ?

    Did you hit your head?

    Your writing sounds like gibberish, now.

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Shift change, he has gone to language school to try and learn the International Language ENGLISH

    Jan 25th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    dear chrisr
    you cannot be that imbecile in the real life, can you?
    well...yes you can.
    you, imbecile, have to consider that argentina has 2,505,000,000 barrels, plus 24 oil basins (19 in continental territory and 5 offshore) to be exploited.
    add vaca muerta and you will have the whole picture.
    how can you compare argentina with the uk or the islets, you halfwit?
    only an islander... LOL
    ignorant planker, go back to school.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    It's not “planker”, you plonker!

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 30 “a cold prune” (it’s you again, dummy)

    YOU don’t understand WTF all that scientific text actually MEANS, do you?

    Luckily for you I have worked in the oil industry and DO KNOW!

    Here, in English, is the conclusion of the “Testing of reservoirs” page:

    “This example demonstrates that the vertical difference of pressure distributions obtained from two runs of RFT can be analyzed with a three-dimensional simulator which solves an equation of pressure only. This is due to the ASSUMPTION that there is no saturation change during the test and results in enormous savings of CPU time.” My capitalization.

    SO, they are making assumptions to cut down on CPU time!!!!! Ha, ha, ha. (That’s the computer processor, dummy).

    Everybody else in the oil business does it CORRECTLY so that they do not miss a thing. What a bunch of dumb fucks they are in the “Secretariat of Energy”, almost as dumb as you! What is the CPU they have to use, a 486? Ha, ha, ha.

    NO quantifiable volumes of reserves anywhere and frankly, the illustrations look like they have been done by a child of ten. It wasn’t you was it?

    Only dumb fuckers believe this crap means there is oil in any of the areas stated.

    No evidence = No truth.

    “The UK STILL has 2,858,000,000! That’s STILL 353,000,000 MORE barrels than you idiots. Ha, ha, ha.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    you working in the oil industry??
    yes, right. LOL
    now i know why the british petrol companies are shite.

    and of course i prefer to trust in what real petroleum engineers say about argentinian oil reserves and not in what an ignorant prat could say.
    what have you done in petrol industry?
    cleaning toilets?
    you must be proud, it is an important task too.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6 “great economic boost”? Not without energy. Who's shipping that “energy”? Who's paying for it? Knife edge, boy, knife edge.

    And the Falklands have no problems. How they can keep growing? Like living within their means? Making intelligent decisions?
    @9 Pity about that. How do you consider something “integral” and “isolate” it? La la cesspit?
    @11 Rejected by neighbours? Oh good. Argieland has various neighbours that it “embraces”. Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay. How much they “benefit” from their “friend” argieland! Sensible option Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay; bomb the shitters!
    @13 Go toss yourself off somewhere else!
    @16 If you check on the internet, you can find places to buy extra large butt plugs, cock plugs, cock-shaped mouth gags, wrist and ankle cuffs. Some vibrate. Some provide electric shocks. Get some. Stop bothering proper people.
    @18 “historic sales”? Ever paid for anything? With REAL money?
    @20 Off you go with your spade then. Plank!
    @22 And the biggest is? And when it pulls out?
    @33 Yeah, it's a shame that useless American companies screwed BP's operation. I want you to try something new. This is a “thought”. Argieland doesn't have the knowledge, capability or money to get “its” oil reserves out of the ground. It's why it's been rushing round the world like a headless chicken looking for “partners”. Little problem. Foreign companies want to take their profits OUT. Argieland wants it “re-invested”. In other words, it wants to keep it all. And there's always “expropriation”. Otherwise known as robbery.Stuff you!

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Paul always puts up links he doesn't read or understand.
    He's got to be as stupid and brainwashed as Axel.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 30 “a cold prune” aka “Planker” (it’s you again, dummy)

    Now listen carefully because you may not understand this.

    I was a Terminal Engineer on the Qua Iboe Terminal in NIGERIA (local name).

    I designed / reworked systems and structures needed on the off shore oil production platforms as well as on the terminal itself.

    Type into Google Earth search box: Kwa Ibo, Nigeria and see for yourself.

    We had a Huey helicopter owned by Shell who has sold out to another company. It’s now a Bell operated by Bristow’s.

    I worked for a world famous deepwater diving and rig welding company as a sub-contractor at the time via my own Management Services Company.

    Told you you wouldn’t understand it, but WGAF?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    I worked for Halliburton in the 70@s
    I would like to know why Halliburton destroyed the test results of the cement job that they did on the Deepwater horizon disaster. I am sorry to say that the Americans were quick to take as much money as they could from BP. Actually reminds me of a case recently where a USA company took Gulf Keystone to court claiming US$ 1.6 billion on the assumption that GKP would find oil. They were thrown out of court ( UK court ) after trying to have the case heard in the USA. They were chancers.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “I would like to know why Halliburton destroyed the test results of the cement job that they did on the Deepwater horizon disaster.”
    they destroyed the test results?
    so what?
    you can always do any kind of test if you have a sample of the cement / concrete.
    tests of compression, tensile strength in the case of armed concrete, slump test, etc.
    that is not an excuse im afraid.
    and the main contractor is always responsible.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 38 “a cold prune” aka “Planker” (it’s you again, dummy)
    “they destroyed the test results? - so what? - you can always do any kind of test if you have a sample of the cement / concrete. - tests of compression, tensile strength in the case of armed concrete, slump test, etc. - that is not an excuse im(SIC) afraid.”

    You dummy!

    Now we know where you worked before you had to post crap like this on MP for La Camping-It-Up: a building site.

    NO you cannot test this cement because it’s thousands of meters down below the floor of the ocean and everything that fell off the rig would be over the access site bore anyway.

    PLUS, the strength required at initial use to seal the riser was what is required, not once it had time to continue hardening which nearly all forms of concrete do FOREVER.

    When are you ever going to understand ANYTHING even remotely technical?

    You really are a complete dummy. You are not a “Lunatic” sock puppet are you?

    @ 37 golfcronie

    Yes, it was a despicable move by Obuma to blame the Brits when BP is majority owned by the Yanks and the main incompetence was from the Yank service companies. Also, in an attempt to diffuse the situation politically BP agreed to finance those businesses that had suffered and provided an open cheque book to do it. Then of course the carpetbaggers came who “encouraged” all sorts of vermin to come out of the woodwork to make claims. It happens in all societies but is particularly irritating given the “holier than thou” stance of Obuma, despicable arsehole that he is.

    BTW, did you get all your pay when you left Halliburton, they don’t have the best of reputations with the workers?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Don't think much of Mantega - not particularly competent and changes direction as often as the wind ; And as far as his comment goes “We are negotiating a free trade agreement with the EU and we plan to do it with Argentina” , it's just politics so that CFK doesn't get ker knickers in a twist.
    Anybody can see that the Mercosur Trade agreement has not lived up to expectations...until a couple of the signatories get serious, it isn't going to improve much. But for Brazil's sake , think it would be better to push ahead without CFK...

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    It seems to me,
    like the owner does not really know if he should take his puppy along or not.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    you are not the brightest of the bunch, are you?
    you can always do the testings, either to the sample or to the components and dosification.
    that´s why the judges ordered to test the cement used there AFTER the disaster.
    it is not necessary to take a bit of set cement from 5000 meters under the sea.
    got it, genius?
    and the sample had already failed the test before being poured.
    so the responsibility is not only of halliburton, but also of bp.

    next time try not to use so many dirty words, capital letters, and stuff.
    it makes you look even more imbecile than what you are, and that is a lot.
    go back to clean toilets, isleñito.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Funny you should say that, at the time computers had just been introduced and a friend of mine was a programmer. Needless to say we worked out a program and I printed out a hard copy and took it to their HO in London. The manager was actually quite taken aback and I gave him a copy and said my solicitor would be in touch. 2 weeks later I received a cheque from them to the exact penny. They do try it on.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    You are correct the tests failed prior to the job. ” The Halliburton tests which used Computer Simulation were run in may and june 2010. After each of the two rounds of tests, a HALLIBURTON EXECUTIVE ordered the simulations destroyed. HALLIBURTON agreed to pay US$ 55,000,000 to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation. ( alledgely ) Neverless the main contractor ( operator ) BP ( not British Petroleum I hasten to add ) paid altogether US$ 32 billion ( incidently more than the Argentine government have in reserves)
    Goodness knows how many nefarious claims were made, seems to me where there is blame there is a claim ( fortuneately not too prevalent at present)

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    now, putting aside the quality of the foam cement, there were some other possible causes like not circulating the mud during the proper time before injecting the cement, etc.
    it seems they were in a hurry to avoid costs.
    both contractors were equally responsible, no doubts.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 45 “a cold prune”

    I bet you are just thrilled they are “setting free” the dollar, eh?

    Just think, you “may” be able to go back to your job of mixing cement (Portland and sand is known as mortar in the UK) and concrete on the building sites!

    But I doubt it, the dollars will be running OUT of The Dark Country as quick as you can say TMBOA.

    Oh well, you will have to keep having the Mick taken out of you on here then while you continue “working” for La Camping It Up.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    golfcronie is a “cold prune” for you?
    didn´t know.
    what has the dollar got to do with this?
    now, go back to clean toilets, but this time try to use lavandina (i think bleach is the english for that).
    do not forget it, please.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 48 “a cold prune” aka “Planker”

    Have you never heard the expression “anagram” or in Spanish: “anagrama”, I have no idea what it is in Argentine Spanish.

    YOU “you are not the brightest of the bunch, are you?” Ha, ha, ha. If you want to make believe you understand English the term is “you are not the brightest bulb in the pack” which is also a truism for you. You are also not very erudite, but I suppose very few are in The Dark Country.

    SO, an anagram is a type of word play, the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using ALL the original letters.

    Guess which word I used Planker: it’s your tag! Didn’t see that one coming did you?

    Anyway, back to 47, go on, tell us the truth OMG, the TRUTH FROM YOU, WTF am I saying?

    But you are a cement mixer, aren’t you? Ha, ha, ha.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    you are not paid to post bullsh*t, you dimwit.
    go back to your toilets

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    51 Paulo

    “you are not paid to post bullsh*t, you dimwit.”

    It's seems that YOU are, though.

    Paulo, I don't believe you do work for La Campora, but you are manipulated by the same lies and indoctrination they use.
    La Campora's propaganda points the finger at others, giving you an enemy to hate, and a scapegoat for CFK.

    Think and others are laughing at people like you, whom they use.

    Did you notice that when you step out of line and criticise CFK, these Argentine “hermanos” of yours, attack you?

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 50 “a cold prune” aka “The Cement Mixer”

    You wish I were a dimwit because then I would only be twice as clever as you.

    Notice your new tag? Yes, your lack of a denial confirms you are indeed a cement mixer. No disgrace there, better than being a La Campora wanabe thug and chasing old ladies for their pensions.

    Well, no fun in besting the likes of you so adios amigo!

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    you don't have to be ashamed of cleaning toilets, toilet cleaner.
    it is a lot better than being another (and counting) kelper parasite.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    53 Paulo the Cement Mixer

    “you don't have to be ashamed of cleaning toilets, toilet cleaner.”

    umm, ok,“ Mr. Poopy Pants!”

    see? We can talk on the same level as you.

    *rolls eyes*

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Inglesesputos

    yankeetaxyboy and all others kelpers who post here, are to count penguins, , for more nicks invent are the same imbeciles farmers, understand that they will never have self-determination, hahahaha

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    55 Argentinopoopyputter

    What you say makes no sense.

    However, you still sound smarter than “Paulo, the hod carrier”

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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