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Spain has “not taken one step back” regarding its Gibraltar policy, rather the contrary

Sunday, January 26th 2014 - 12:17 UTC
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The Spanish Government has “not taken any step back” in relation to its Gibraltar policy “but it has taken many steps forward”, the country’s foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo has declared. Despite the issue having dropped profile in the news since recent weeks, it is an issue “permanently” on the Spanish agenda, the Spanish official told Onda Cero radio. Read full article

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  • golfcronie

    Remind you of somewhere else, latinos are something else.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Golfcronie forgetting that a huge part of the Gibraltarian population are either of Latino or mixed Latino background.

    Good going.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porto Margaret

    #2

    Yes... but you also forget that they know the latino mind and having lived in an Anglophone orientated homeland they obviously wish to remain under that benevolent administration.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @2
    2001 census
    GIBRALTARIAN...83%
    OTHER BRITISH...9.6%
    MORROCOEAN......3.5%
    SPANISH..................1.2%
    I agree with you but we have taught them to be BRITISH, incidently the language in GIB is predominantly English although most are bi-lingual.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Small points. Spain, like argieland, is a midge. Like argieland, it's also a midget. There are some options with midgets and midges. They can be ignored. They can be swatted. They can be crushed.

    @2 Oh yes. Shouldn't have forgotten that. “Latino” is an Americanism. Don't use that in Europe. Amazingly, 27% of the Gibraltar population are of British origin. But 98.48% of the population voted AGAINST spanish sovereignty. Do you want to call that 70% of Latins preferring to be British? Wonder if it would be worth offering spaniards an opportunity for Britain to take over their “country”?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I would have though that 26% unemployment would on their minds more than an outcrop of rock.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    4 backpeddling and wriggling. You made a blatantly racist comment and shot yourself in the foot.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Gibraltar#Ethnic_origins

    Together, Gibraltarians of Spanish origin are one of the bigger groups (more than 24% according to last names, even more taking into account the fact that a larger share of Spanish women married native Gibraltarians).

    About 10% of last names in Gibraltar have Portuguese origin.

    “latinos are something else”
    “Taught them to be British”

    You lose horribly, dont fight it, just leave.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    The Spanish people must be rather naïve if they believe what their politicians are saying about Gibraltar especially when they come out with rubbish like:

    (I) Gibraltar has no territorial waters because none were ceded by Utrecht
    (II)the Isthmus was never ceded and Spain has a claim on it
    (III) Gibraltarians do not have the right to self-determination because there is a territorial dispute with Spain and Article X of Utrecht states that Gibraltar will be returned to Spain if Britain ever gives up its possession

    Facts are:

    (I) UNCLOS ceded UK/Gibraltar territorial waters and one country CANNOT delimit another's territorial waters without consent (ICJ Gulf of Main Judgement). Spain's declaration when signing UNCLOS in respect of limiting Gibraltar's territorial waters is irrelevant - (ICJ Black Sea case) - Romania made similar declarations and statements regarding fisheries, security and uninhabited islands which were all ignored by the ICJ.

    (II) Gibraltar's Isthmus was part of an old southern neutral ground; La Linea is situated in the old northern part of the neutral ground. Spain and the UK have both signed the 1975 Helsinki Accord which recognises the inviolability of frontiers - part 1v - The participating state will respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating states. Spain along with other countries made declarations and the final draft of the Accord was altered to read, 'frontiers will not change without agreement.'

    (III) Two UN ICJ Advisory Opinions have been made that confirm, 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories. In 2008 the UN Fourth Committee rejected the claim that a dispute over sovereignty affected self-determination, affirming it to be a basic human right. Also, any International Lawyer would tell you that a Treaty that was signed in 1713 which debarred Jews and Moors from Gibraltar could not seriously be used in 2014 to restrict the rights of people of Gibraltar.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    5 Conq.

    “Amazingly, 27% of the Gibraltar population are of British origin. But 98.48% of the population voted AGAINST spanish sovereignty. Do you want to call that 70% of Latins preferring to be British? ”

    Nice one, Conq.
    Vestige,“ don't fight it ” :-)

    8 Brit Bob
    Nice reasoned summation and response to our jabbering Vestige.

    7 Vestige
    “You lose horribly, dont fight it, just leave”

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    9 - What is this patchwork of non-connected topics, changed subjects and irrelevance supposed to be ??

    Heres what golfcronie did - Inadvertently generalize people of Latin extraction, which includes some 30 percent of Gibraltarians into one fictional dodgy Argie/Spanish racial group.

    Whats surprising is that Im the only one so far whos defended Gibraltarian British citizens (of Latin extraction).

    Golfcronie effectively insulted some 30 odd percent of Gibraltarians, yes, those same British people who made the human chain around the rock.

    I guess you're ok with British Gibraltarian citizens being grouped into one racial profile with dodgy inferences hoisted on them.
    Maybe you tacitly approve.

    Ill leave you to it.
    Come back golfcronie, racially insult British citizens so I can laugh at the irony.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “I agree with you but we have taught them to be BRITISH,”

    and what does that mean?
    that you teach them how to be fat and with genetic problems?
    to be a chronic drunk?
    or to steal everything you can, including lands?

    hope they were not the best pupils then.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    11
    How about,

    -Live by the rule of law
    -pay taxes
    -respect others and their property
    -look forward to a life with a future...

    oh wtf, you wouldn't understand.

    Forget it, deadbeat.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    How long do you have to be in Gibraltar before you become Gibraltarian? How long do you have to be in Argentina before you become Argentinian?
    The facts are as I quoted , refute then with documentaion if you disagree.
    No rascist comment from me.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The trouble with Spain,
    Is that its collapsing at such an alarming rate that it fears its very own destruction?
    So by diverting attention from their corruption, incompetence and irresponsibility
    It uses Gibraltar as a ping pong ball,

    It abuses all the treaties and agreements it signed to justify its position,
    Because the unmighty EU sits back and ignores it, Spain thinks it can use Gibraltar and Britain’s apparent weakness to get what it wants,

    But if you consider the long term objectives of the EU,
    One wonders why Spain even bothers

    Germany stated yesterday that the events in Africa was one reason that European countries will need to alginate into one block,
    Into one European navy, air force , etc for European interests,

    So if a future scenario was to come true, what then would be the outcome?
    1, Britain votes to pull out and Gibraltar comes with us, would not the border be closed, as Gibraltar being British would now be foreign territory, and the Britain would have to maintain a permanent navy presents, planes perhaps and soldiers, [ possibly ]
    2,
    Britain leaves the EU, and Gibraltar stays,
    At first a single unit, but almost certain a future EU state, thus Spain would then lose it anyway, as Spain also would be part of a USEU, United states of Europe. [Unless Spain withdrew ]

    3, or Britain stayed and become part of the EU permanently and Gibraltar stays, then [2] would be the same,

    Either way Spain cannot possibly get its hands on Gibraltar [ever] unless it was willing to use force,
    So why bother with all this immature childish petty antics,
    Unless it was using Gibraltar as a cover up, to its own incompetence , corrupt , government trying to hang on to power by its finger nails,

    Just a thought....mm

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    ........Tumbleweed...........

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ............sausages....

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @10
    99% of the population of “THE ROCK” in 1967 said they wanted to remain under British administration, ( Whatever nationality they were ) I am pretty sure that if a Referendum was to be conducted tomorrow the same result would come to pass. The Spanish are NOT going to get GIB just as the Argies are not going to get THE FALKLANDS. Just live with it, the populace has spoken.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    If one was a betting man,

    One would bet an each way chance,
    that Spain has more chance of getting Argentina…lol..

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    (lol - got me with the ...sausages..., 1-0 to Briton)

    Anyway - golf and troy you dont need to convince anyone re; the latinos thing, nobody cares, so long as you know the truth (re; those comments) yourselves.

    Yours honestly.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    Spain has “not taken one step back” regarding its Gibraltar policy, rather the contrary

    Well, If they want to expend all that time and effort for no return then who are we to stand in their way?

    You've got to laugh though, this is surely proof that there are some sorts of stupidity that you just can't plan for..................

    LOLZ!!!

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    lolol...

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @10 Oh dear. Here's a breakdown of Gibraltar's population:

    British - 27%; Spanish - 24%; Italian - 19%; Portuguese - 11%; Maltese - 8%;
    Jewish - 3%; Minorcan - 2%; Other - 4%; Unassigned - 2%.

    Now, I make it that 64% of Gibraltar's population is Latin. But it seems that they “like” being British. At least they prefer it to being Spanish. I didn't notice anyone being insulted. I noticed some facts.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    OUCH!

    Judging by the comments on this article by ordinary Argentines, I don't think Kirchners lunch with Castro has gone down very well. They seem to think that she has deposited $500 million there and this is where she intends to live in exile very soon.

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1658742-cristina-kirchner-almuerza-con-fidel-castro-en-cuba

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    23 Britworker

    Thanks for that :-)

    However, do you know of an English language version of the article - google translate is not so good - witness the posts by “Brasiliero I”

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    trolazo
    you need an english version?
    google translate is not so good?
    have you ever thought in learning a second language?
    too difficult for you, lazy isleño?

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    ...says the idiot troll proven to be a dummy in two languages.

    LOL !! & Olé !!

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    tempestilent
    but don't take it as something personal.
    it is a genetic issue.
    you know, tiny island, tiny genepool

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    There you are with your ethnicity issues again :-)

    BTW, did anyone ever teach you to observe, and draw your own conclusions?
    I thought not. You miss so much. Lazy.

    Check with the Think/A_Voice Database

    A_Voice has a 'file' on every one of us Brits. He could teach you so much.

    Jan 26th, 2014 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    What an insult to their roots, Spanish - 24%; Italian - 19%; Portuguese - 11%; Maltese - 8%;
    Jewish - 3%; Minorcan - 2%; Other - 4%; Unassigned - 2%. YET THEY WISH TO BE BRITISH, I WONDER WHY???

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    28
    No file on you ...as you are not a Brit.....;-))))
    ....just a wannabe Brit
    ...different classification....comes under ....half hearted notes....

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @28 Troy Tempest,
    Re A_Voice's file......................the thought did cross my mind that he might have.
    @14 Briton,
    Well summed up, Sir.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    They haven't really taken any steps anywhere. They've just been jumping up and down about Gibraltar which seems like wasted effort.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @25 This has been explained so many times. You need to catch up. But, just for you, one more time. We don't believe in learning gibberish. English is THE language. It's up to the minority to learn OUR language. We don't believe in pandering to the uneducated.
    @27 “tiny gene pool”? The United Kingdom has a population of 63,181,775. Argieland has a population of 41,660,417. Who's got a “small” gene puddle then?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    33
    i was referring to the islets, not to the tiny islands.
    anyway, it is not only a matter of quantity of population, but also of the mixing of nationalities, races, etc.
    got it, genius?

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JimHandley

    Hello everyone,

    It may well be true that small number of Gibraltarians, SPANIARDS and other nationals are using the Crown Colony as a base for an illicit cigarette trade. However, in my worldwide experience, smuggling occurs wherever there are customs frontiers. Nevertheless, I hear no Spanish government protestations over contraband of Spain’s booze products, et cetera INTO Portugal (which imposes a much greater tax on alcoholic beverages than that levied in Spain) Nor do those who are now running Spain (who’re mainly the first-generation, neo-Fascist offspring of the remnants Franco’s totalitarian regime) complain of the illegal export into Spain, of luxury goods and tobacco from Andorra.

    However, as usual, in the present case, I note a few of you have abandoned logic in favour childish, thoughtless hysteria –it’s a good thing that Nelson, Wellington, et al didn’t have rely on some of the self aggrandising, arrogant, self-confessed Britons who Post here! And it’s no wonder that those Brit’s who utter such blatantly racists remarks on these pages, do so anonymously, for they are in clear breach of U.K. legislation!!!! Remember that Latinos are often wonderful artists and fine footballers, t...

    Although apparently missed by so many readers, the REALLY important point here is THIS:

    “On the tripartite (UK, Spain, Gibraltar) forum García-Margallo said that this was now “closed” and restated that it was NOT “ADMISSIBLE” TO ALLOW GIBRALTAR SIT AT TALKS WITH THE SAME STATUS AND CONDITIONS AS UK OR SPAIN.”

    A typical dyed-in-the-wool Fascist’s method of dealing with those whom he considers inferior, of NO CONSEQUENCE and therefore unable to retaliate –ie: The Llanitos...

    SO MUCH FOR HUMAN RIGHTS!

    Jim, in Madrid, Spain.

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    On a lighter note, has anyone ANY idea what Gollum 2 © ChrisR 2013 - 2014 is saying in the photo?

    Seems to me he is about to stick his thumb somewhere, but I can’t think where!

    Jan 27th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    17 golfcronie

    “99% of the population of “THE ROCK” in 1967 said they wanted to remain under British administration ... I am pretty sure that if a Referendum was to be conducted tomorrow the same result would come to pass.”

    If the people in the Spanish border town La Linea (de la Concepción) were allowed to vote in the referendum and to follow its result, you can raise the result to 99.6% and the Spanish border would move up to north of E-15.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Poor Paul Idiot Ignorant Cedron writes in #25
    “have you ever thought in learning a second language?”

    Being so dense and ignorant he can only imagine the existence of English and Spanish. We humans on the other hand know there are many more like German, Swedish, French, Urdu, Thai and we humans speak several of them.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    @ 34 paulcedron

    “it is not only a matter of quantity of population, but also of the mixing of nationalities, races, etc.
    got it, genius?”

    Jeez, Paul has been told time and again, that the average Brit in the UK is a mongrel, but viveza criolla Paul is too dense to understand.

    Commencing about thirty thousand years ago, Great Britain has been populated by umpteen different peoples, after the Celts, Britons, Gaels, Romans, Jutes, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norwegians, French, etc., also by immigrants from the former colonies. I am beginning to sympathise with Doggy, when he calls Paul Ignorant Idiot (which of course is a title of honour in his case).

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    38
    ignorant idiot doggy
    “we humans on the other hand know there are many more like German, Swedish, French, Urdu, Thai and we humans speak several of them.”
    and yet you don't even know a word of any of them.
    not a surprise with that shitty education system you have in the islets

    39 don alberto
    yeah, right..
    http://demotivation.me/fw0p8dlwu4utpic.html#.UucFA9ItrAU

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Seems Paul's education and language learning never taught him the difference between and Island and an Islet!

    East Falkland - 6th largest island in South America
    West Falkland - 11st largest island in South America

    Mind you the 776 smaller islands can indeed be called Islets - however the Falklands as a whole cannot. And neither can East or West Falkland.

    How did Paul put it again? Oh that is right “ignorant idiot”.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    Let´s get something straight here! The Gibs may want to remain British but when they can they head up north to where there is life.You see, The anglo culture may make you rich and work like an idiot from 9-5 and have no life but up north you have the fiestas and the Spaniards know how to live it up!! and this the Gibs admire and are willing to go through the torture of frontier crossing to live it up with the Spaniards and move away for a while from that boring anglo culture that only works from 9-5 and no fun.......

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 42 aussie raincloud

    But the reason the Spanish have plenty of time to “live it up” is because they have no jobs.

    Don’t know how far the money they do have (courtesy of Brits and others) is going to last.

    Why don’t YOU give them all your money, all US$ 10 of it!

    You are no more Aussie than my dog. The difference is my dog knows ten times more words than you, Spanish or English. Ha, ha, ha.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “Don’t know how far the money they do have (courtesy of Brits...”

    what??
    the brits giving money???
    lol
    what a poor deluded thing you are.
    all that britain gave them was 1 million poor british migrants to maintain.
    and thousands of criminals the british police was incapable to arrest.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JimHandley

    42 aussie sunshine.

    Re: ‘The anglo culture may make you rich and work like an idiot from 9-5 and have no life but up north you have the fiestas and the Spaniards know how to live it up!!’

    It’s true that most people, including the Spaniards, enjoy having a bit of fun.

    However given Spain’s present and now long-term, extraordinarily bad unemployment and food price inflation figures, few Spaniards have the desire and much less, the cash, to even contemplate incurring any strictly unessential expenditure, whatsoever. And to describe the current Spanish public mood as other than PESSIMISTICALLY SOMBRE –even BITTERLY ANGRY, is about as far from the truth as one could wander.

    Meanwhile, in a futile, diversionary attempt to ‘blame the bloody foreigners’, the Madrid govt. continues to bugger-about over Gibraltar...

    Si if you reckon so much to your AUSSIE SUNSHINE, why not bugger-off back to your beloved antipodes and give us all a rest from your bleedin’ nonsense?

    Cheers!

    Jim Handley, in Madrid –and Gibraltar resident during Franco’s siege of the Colony.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Jim did you type that while stuck in a queue in the “colony” ?

    Since Franco you say ?
    Well thats some time back, guess this “diversionary” thing was well planned long in advance to interact with the present day economic crisis.

    As a colonist Im sure you can understand the historic context of the colony, and how it came to be. Why not share sovereignty, Im sure part of you knows its just and right.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    42 aussie sunshine

    Maybe you should get a job, I think you will find that the majority of jobs are 9 - 5.
    There are thousands of Spanish people who are prepared “to go through the torture of frontier crossing” just to get a 9 -5 job.
    Your ignorance of life in Gibraltar is pathetic.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JimHandley

    46 Vestige.

    Re. “As a colonist I’m sure you can understand the historic context of the colony, and how it came to be”.

    If you possessed the merest VESTIGE of a basic education, you’d know that we’re ALL colonists. The American Indians arrived from East Asia, the South Sea Islanders previously occupied the county that is now called Taiwan, the first historically recorded home of the Celts was on the Russian Steppes where they were nomadic cattle herders –ad bloody infinitum!

    What REALLY counts here is the legitimately, long establish, socio-political status quo and the maintenance of international law. Not a load of spurious verbal excreta, spouted-out simply in order to try to validate your self-serving, vacuous personal agenda.

    Cheers!

    Jim, in Madrid, Spain.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Oh I see, we're all nomadic colonists, cavemen, Africa etc....and so its fine.

    Enjoy the queue. Maybe one day it'll snap you out of ranting and into actual thinking.

    My honorable agenda, which kindly blesses this forum, is only to benevolently elevate the masses to my high level of intelligence.

    Yours awesomely.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JimHandley

    49 Vestige.

    Re: “Oh I see, we're all nomadic colonists, cavemen, Africa etc....and so its fine.”

    Of course we are. The first Homo Sapiens –from whom we ALL descend– were black people who originated in what is now the Ethiopia/Kenya region of Africa. Later, those very people spread throughout the entire world.

    I should think that any educated, reasonably-minded Argentinean would have absolutely no difficulty in comprehending the concept of colonialism. Or are YOU a member of ‘The Flat Earth Society’ or of one those pseudo-religious sects who’s members moronically engage in the constant denial of rigorously proven, scientific and historical facts? Nor do you remember how –in the late 19th century, Argentinean settlers would regularly form hunting parties– TO KILL NATIVE INDIANS???

    So given the impossibility of the human race’s ever returning to it’s initial prehistoric habitats, the best deal we have –imperfect as it may be– is the due observance of INTERNATIONALLY AGREED legislation. However, I detect a distinct lack of desire on the part of both Argentinean and Spanish authorities, to take their respective claims to international litigation.

    Both Gibraltar and the Falklands have had established socio-cultural and legal structures longer than has Argentina and it’s not established that the Falklands were EVER a part of Argentina.

    The legality of Spain’s claim to Gibraltar is extremely tenuous to say the least –presumably that’s why neither the Madrid nor the B.A. govt. dares to make the claim in the appropriate COURT OF LAW preferring to use ‘Colonialism’ to vociferously propagandized their respective populaces, in the hope of creating a distraction from the disastrous consequences of so many years’ of GREEDY, BIG MULTINATIONAL BANK mismanagement.

    NEVER TRUST POLITICIANS of any colour, creed, race, stripe or persuasion. Theirs is the ART OF THE POSSIBLE, NOTHING MORE!

    Jim Handley, in Madrid Spain.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Poor Paul Ignorant Idiot Cedron writes in #40

    “not a surprise with that shitty education system you have in the islets”

    Poor Paul Ignorant Idiot Cedron is calling the largest island on Earth an “islet” - more to be pitied than censured, the poor dear.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Ah Jim, You cannot malign my ever correct opinions through simple name calling or petty inferences.
    Its not the first time pre-history has been used on this forum as a benchmark for the present day. Ive seen it all.
    Wild comparisons and blurred precedents are nothing new here either.

    (If Argentina owns the Falklands, then France owns Jersey etc etc ad nausium, yawn, le sigh, facepalm)

    Jingoism is always on the menu in here too. House special for the willfully ignorant.
    Usually in these pages its honorable false teary eyed cries for DEMOCRACY, and who could question anybody using the magic 'D' word 'democracy' - why only some evil baddy.

    ....Or someone calling BS on its use as a convenient colonial gripping tool.

    Re; the 19th century Indians. Most folk in here, especially someone as smart as I, have long left behind the 'Argies killed natives' Vs 'Britons killed Indians etc' cyclic rant-fest. (Spoiler: It leads nowhere) .

    Maybe Spains legal claim is tenuous, of course being that that claim would involve changing the status-quo of a country's people is really not going to help.
    That would be a new one - telling a country it involuntarily switched nationality overnight cause a court says so.
    (not that the half witted jingoists in here didn't already know that)

    Courts are a part of reality, not the other way round.
    And I don't propose that Spain should outright own Gibraltar anyway.
    Im happy to keep my flat earth in the modern era.

    Its the modern era and moral justice you should be thinking about, and political realities (especially if you live on the colonized rock ).

    Would you feel you had the moral high-ground if you were Spanish ?
    People coming from over the waves taking part of your country and planting settlers on it.

    I think its a pretty straight forward moral question by itself. If you'd dare ask yourself.
    And fairly simple still even if the present day factors and historic context are added in too.

    But some just want to be righteously stubborn.

    Jan 28th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Poor Paul Ignorant Idiot Cedron writes in #40

    “and yet you don't even know a word of any of them.” - although the poor dear 3-brain-cells in #40 has quoted “we humans on the other hand know there are many more like German, Swedish, French, Urdu, Thai and we humans speak several of them”

    ***we humans speak several of them***

    How can one speak a language without knowing a word of it?

    Only a poor Ignorant Idiot like Paul can come to that conclusion.

    The poor dear is more to be pitied than censured, and one wonders if he has lost one brain cell so now he is now down to two?

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    53
    you said: “How can one speak a language without knowing a word of it?”
    i was talking about you, not about “one”.
    and you cannot speak any other language than english, because you don´t even know a word of them.

    you said: “we humans speak several of them”
    according to you, we humans speak several languages.
    except you.
    so, again, according to you, you are not human.
    i think you are wrong, you are human, but also a complete imbecile.
    and ignorant tw@t.

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    *50 Spain doesn´t have to go to any kangaroo court to tell them what is rightfully theirs..And Gibraltar is theirs!!

    Jan 29th, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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