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Falklands trip by Uruguayan lawmakers condemned by Argentine embassy
The Argentine embassy in Montevideo through a “Forum Malvinas Uruguay” release “totally rejected” the decision from a group of Uruguayan lawmakers, representing all parties in parliament, accepting an invitation from the British embassy to visit the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“This is also Jaime Trobo's second trip to the Falklands, since he was an observer of the Islands referendum in March.”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Something tells me, Jamie liked what he saw in the Falklands, and is trying to boost relations. Is this the start of other S.A. countries taking an active approach to learn the truth? Time will tell, and the Islanders have all the time in the world.
They've gone abck to claiming the population were ousted, again? They haven't mentioned that for ages, I thought they'd given up stating that BS since outstanding evidence proved it to be otherwise. Maybe they didn't get he memo?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britains position is “violent, archaic and solitary”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Argentinas is “peaceful, modern and globally supported”
All except:
Argentinas war in 1982 causing the death of 1000 people
Argentinians claim is based on events that didn't happen 200 years ago
Argentina lost the last vote in the UNGA in 2008
Oh yes, opeaceful, modern, globally supported..LMFAO
globally supported......by only the poorest nations in the world. Ignorance/poor education and poverty often go hand in hand.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Falklands trip by Uruguayan lawmakers condemned by Argentine embassy' as a 'crude imperialist strategy, whose ultimate objective is to maintain the British occupation'
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0So once again we see huge cracks in SA's solidarity with Argentina. Oh dear. Time for another Chrissy fit.
I look forward to meeting you and your various colleagues during the week Minister Trobo.
As you all know in Argentina, it takes two to tango. We simply sent an invitation. Uruguay accepted it.
Chuckle chuckle.
Another nail falls out of the coffin
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who do the Argentines think they are?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0They “totally reject” a decision from another country to visit a third country.
They haven't been invited to the party.
Keep your nose out, Argentina.
I expect that there is a realisation in many countries now in latam that Argentina is getting very close to its latest collapse and return to economic obscurity. Urugay would do well to start fostering closer relations with the Falklands, I thinks its all about to get very messy down there.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it is unacceptable to listen ? It is unacceptable to test the truth for yourself ? It is unacceptable to talk to people ? It is unacceptable to convince yourself that your policy is based on firm moral principles and historic facts ?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tut, tut. This sounds like a facist totalitarian regime which doesn't believe in free speech and freedom of association. Surely not ??
If he doesn't like what he sees, he is at perfect liberty to denounce it.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely that would add credence to the Argentinian case.
So Argentina rejects colonial conquests? I wonder how the Conquest of the Desert fits in with that?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This is more than a crude imperialist strategy, whose ultimate objective is to maintain the British occupation of the Malvinas which started in 1833”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought all that Argentina wanted was open dialogue about the islands. They just wanted talk. Well this is talking. This is also peaceful talking. It is an invitation to a neighbour to visit our islands and see with their own eyes how we live our lives. To disprove the Argentine myths that we are “colonialist, unsurpers and pirates”. We are just people wanting to peacefully live our lives on the land we were born on. We are just people wanting to make a living and develop our economy. Pretty much like anyone else on the planet.
Argentina makes the world try and believe we are blood thirsty sub-humans who live to colonise the poor innocent victims of South America, and who wishes to spread anarchy and fear through South America. No. In fact we are 3,000 people getting on with our lives peacefully.
While we have Argie Rent Boy Almagro and Captain Yellowback Pepe “Ruling” things in Uruguay this sort of nonsense will be permitted, indeed encouraged by Almagro a closet argie if ever there was one.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0We all know it will make no difference.
I reject in the strongest possible terms, Argentina's rejection - not that neither rejection makes the blindest bit of difference to anybody.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love articles like these, they make my day!
Now Argentina should have nothing to do with Uruguay,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0it should take action against them, and have them arrested at once,
Argentina arrest warrants are winding its way right now,
is this not true CFK ..lol
In that case Argentina should return the lands it stole from Paraguay. Just saying...
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0agreed--just saying like..
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice joke in Bloomberg business week:
Feb 07th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many Argentines does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: Three: two to grill up meat while the other guy bribes the electrician.
Rather odd complaint from the argentine embassy in Montevideo. Surely the democratic leaders of an independent nation state are entitled to accept an invitation from another democracy as they see fit. What’s wrong in finding out for yourself?
Sounds like a rant by KCNA.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all this noise because FIVE (5) lawmakers visit the islets?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the important thing is the official position of uruguay, from both the govt and opposition.
that is a complete support to argentina´s claim
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor argentina, whats the matter? the nasty British armed forces getting in the way of your colonial conquests?
This has made my day. Now we see who the real player is in SA and it ain't argentina!!! All you can do is whine and moan while everyone else around you just gets on!!
Go Team Falklands!!
@20 It can't be “complete” support. Or don't you see the lack of support from the Colorado, Nationalist and Independent parties? And the Broad Front? Must do better!
Feb 07th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you try “This is complete support for argieland. Except for those that don't support argieland”?
“the British occupation of the Malvinas which started in 1833,”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Missed it by 143 years.
First Briton to land on the Falkland Islands and claim them was in 1690. We've been the legal owners of sovereignty ever since.
And not one of those scofflaws will be extradited to Argentina for breaking Argentine law. Count on it. Everyone is behind Argentina -- So much the better to laugh behind CFK's back as opportunities with the Islands emerge. So much for LatAm solidarity.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we've seen, Argentina rejects any application of law, democracy or human rights in the pursuit of its claim for the Falklands. It's hardly surprising that it would treat Uruguayan democracy with the same contempt.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#20
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Governments change and so do their opinions and policies !
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Invitation to visit the SLUM islands...uuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajajaj
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja....
Not a CT-Scanner even in the year 2014.......
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja!
Nothing to show,,,,,
keep the islands in a british arse!
27 ck177
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0F**k off Suzie, Go back to your trailer park, you piece of red neck, white trash.....
Is your husband your brother..................or your father?
keep the islands
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We Will, lol
@27
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cognitive dissonance.
Big time.
Apparently Argentine business men, traders, and sellers, are trying to get to the Falklands to do business,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just waiting for the day,
CFK and her deluded government are found,
And safely returned, under lock and key, to the local asylum ..lol
So the guards say lol.
27
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really they don't have a ct scanner there?
not even in the school of medicine?
they don´t have a school of medicine there?
do they have at least an infirmary?
no??
#32 Are you really as ignorant as @ck177?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a community of 3000 people. Having a CT scanner on the islands just doesn't make sense? The Falkland Islanders can very easily make use of facilities in other countries.
To give some context Germany has 17.2 scanners per million people (i.e. there is 1 CT scanner for every 58,000 inhabitants). I can only assume that Argentina, being significantly less developed than Germany, has many fewer per capita.
I should remind you that the Falkland Islanders have a much higher Human Development Index (=0.933) than any country in Latin America (and indeed, also higher than even Germany).
So, now you just look even more foolish.
@27 Oh Paulpaulpaulpaul.... And you STILL can't convince them into joining with you. Are your CT Scanners, medical schools, universities and such really THAT bad? Or is it something else about Argentina that makes them reject you in comically overwhelming numbers?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I thought you said the Falklands and your governments efforts and “officies” to retrieve them meant little to the average Argentine like you. And yet here you are whining about CT Scanners like some embittered homeless guy picking up coins that fell through someone's pockets sneering at how badly his clothes are made. It must burn you to a cinder to see people who you've repeatedly failed to control with guns and land mines and the might of the Junta you still celebrate on a coin still sitting free AND striving for something risky and how other people who just give you lip service are noticing as something worth maybe being part of, and to make it worse your own government (leadership and opposition) just sits and whines about how unfair it is that these people are allowed to say “no” you and “yes” to someone else (and why would they say yes to them and no to you -- after all, YOU have CT scanners) having torn up agreements that would have let you enjoy any success these defiant few thousand people may bring in.
What a sad angry little boy you are. Maybe if you found something you were good at (and this ain't it!) you'd not be so bitter at a couple thousand people who have done nothing to you -- other than try to be the best they can be.
The world's most advanced dynamic volume CT system just got even better! Aquilion ONE ViSION Edition is our newest Dynamic Volume CT scanner that
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.europeanscanning.com/pdf/nov09.pdf
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Please tell us,
ARGENTINA Has one..
.
There is an obvious difference between Argentina and Uruguay and that is highlighted in their Global Corruption Index standings.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay is in a respectable 19th position and
the Laughingstock of Latin America is down in 106th position.
This says a lot.
(the UK is in 14th position and Chile is rated in 22nd place).
35
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes there are aquilion one here
http://www.griensu.com/tecnologias
so what?
the first ct scanners were installed here 30 years ago
there is al least 1 in almost every hospital, sanatorio, clinica, etc. plus a pair of magnetic resonators, 1 traditional and 1 open.
it is mandatory.
you should invest more in education and health and less in fire guns.
@37
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cant expect a small population to have all the worlds best, all of the time,
for this would embarrass you lot would it not.
#37
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you ignored my response in #33, coward.
Also don't forget the reason why the Falkland Islands are so wonderfully defended is because a fascist wannabe empire decided to cause the deaths of 1000 people in order to distract the population from their inept management of the economy. The truly depressing thing is that it was working.
@39 And apparently is STILL working after all these years.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And besides,
Give it time,
When the oil flows, and the riches pour it,
And they become wealthy beyond their wildest dreams,
They may very well have,
The world’s best,
Hotels, houses, education, health, schools , university , railways , roads ,
Oil, industry , and anything else they want.
And yes,
Even a CT-Scan..lol
.
Poor Argy envy gets you lot all the time, every time .lol
#27
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you keep in your arse that needs a CT scanner to find it .
101 interesting objects and sexually transmitted diseases ?
In my small town, POPULATION 46,000, our local NHS hospital has a CT Scanner and an MRI Scanner.
The population covered is 100,000 approx. All treatment free under NHS.
The much larger county hospital also have CT/MRI Scanners. For other specialist treatment Glasgow has 5 hospitals with the same equipment.
How many Argentinian towns of a population of 3,000 have dedicated CT/MRI SCANNERS ?
39
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so for having a ct scan you have to fly to...the uk?
lol
it is not only a matter of how many islanders live there.
it is also a matter of how isolated you are.
and when you talk about “ a fascist wannabe empire” i guess you are referring to the uk.
well, yes, they are a fascist wannabe empire.
it is getting to its end, but they still have the leftovers, you know, malvinas, gibraltar, north ireland, esequibo, chagos, etc.
BTW,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't live in a trailer park in the usa..
although some trailer parks are very high class residences..
I am single,
only girl in my family of spanish speaking immigrants
I tought the UK charities will donate a CT-Scanner
to the islanders,
regardless of the population,
is necessary to have
but
it seems nobody cares about the slum islands...
including the UK....
As long as its British,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you guys will always be jealous.
@43 “and when you talk about “ a fascist wannabe empire” i guess you are referring to the uk.”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is shedding terrorizes as they become ripe for independence so they can all carry on their own business as allies neighbors and colleagues and not as colonies and “19th provinces”? I looking at her actions since WW2, I believe that would be the UK.
Who desperately wants to annex 3000 people who have explicitly made it clear they want NOTHING to do with you against their will contra to the UN Charter, UN resolutions, C24 committee's mandate, common sense, and well... the very definition of anti-colonialism and anti-imperialism? That would be Argentina.
And who celebrates on their 2-peso coin their last fascist military Junta's cynical hail mary run to keep your country under their fascist jackboot for more years of torture, more years of disappearances, more years of oneway helicopter and plane rides because having the Islanders under the same jackboot [those of us seeing this circus from the outside have to reasonably assume, given the broader implications of you celebrating the illegal 1982 invasion] would have made it all worth it? I'll give you a hint: It ain't the UK.
Projection, thy name is Paul.
#43
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sad envious little boy. We have got rid of OUR empire. You lot still have envious eyes on other peoples land. So you want the Falklands,Gibraltar and Guyana. Diego Garcia -you will have to take this up with the Americans.
As for N.Ireland, the Irish Republic are not making any claims on this territory.
If you wish to claim it, then talk to the Ulster people - they will put a flea in your ear.
Fascism:-
Peronism associated with the regime of Juan Perón in Argentina from 1946 to 1955 and 1973 to 1974, was strongly influenced by fascism.[157] Prior to rising to power, from 1939 to 1941, Peron had developed a deep admiration of Italian Fascism and modelled his economic policies on Italian Fascist economic policies.
Peronism is still a force in Argentina today, ergo, Argentina is still a latent fascist state with designs on acquiring territory.
Do you think that the Falklanders don't know they live on an isolated island ?
The fact that they don't have a CT Scanner doesn't seem to bother them.
You will never get to live there OR visit if your cover is blown.
I tought the UK charities will donate a CT-Scanner
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to the islanders,
regardless of the population
well, to be fair here,
as CFK claims the islanders are Argentina,
then why does she not supply scans..
@43
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it is also a matter of how isolated you ar”
In the 21st century (you Argentines still live in the 1830s) the Islanders can fly to the UK in under a day even if it is the other side of the world. The world is shrinking Paul.When the UK gets Skylon in 10 years the Islanders will be able to get to the UK in a few hours. The idiot Argentines think that they are isolating the Islanders, but you cannot work out that over many years they are used to be isolated and that doesn't bother them in the slightest, especially since 1986 with proper airlinks ending isolation.
The fact is that since 1982, the Islanders are not isolated, better to fly to the UK on airliners that work rather than risk flying to Argentina on Maximo's airline on scrapheap challenge airliners without parachutes.
,“ malvinas, gibraltar, north ireland, esequibo, chago”
One, 'Sour Grapes' does not exist (except within most Argentine heads), and the people born in Sour Grapes do not want to be colonised by Imperialist Argentina. The people born on Gibraltar want to be British-not part of colonialist Spain,so it's not a colony ( colonies are taken over by a larger power who deny the natives their right to self determination i.e Argentina and Spain )-again, the people in Northern Ireland want to be within the UK, and I think that the Chagos Islanders should be given a homeland even if the USA will not permit it to be Diego Garcia.
43 paulcedron :
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 03000 people without a CT-Scanner is no suprise. Let me just tell you, by the way, that CT scans are high-powered X-rays that expose patients to between ten and 100 times as much radiation as a normal head or chest X-ray. Didn't your doctor tell you about the risks? Of course he didn't because ... well ... he's Argentine.
40 million people without a currency, on the other hand, is pathetic. And when Argentina's inflation reaches Venezuelan proportions - as it will - there will be no dollars to repair CT-Scanners or anything else. (Except of course Cristina's scanner: she's such a basket case that they keep one on permanent stand-by in case she falls down and bangs her head in another fit of rage).
”In the 21st century (you Argentines still live in the 1830s) the Islanders can fly to the UK in under a day even if it is the other side of the world.”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you have to fly 10 hours to get a ct scan.
as i said, invest your pennies in education and health care
#43
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I'm not sure what they do (Islanders: where do you normally go in these cases?) but the fact they have significantly better health indicators (including much longer life expectancy) than all of South America suggests it can't be all that bad.
“it is getting to its end, but they still have the leftovers, you know, malvinas, gibraltar, north ireland, esequibo, chagos, etc.”
More ignorance I see, I assume by “esequibo” you mean Guyana, a sovereign independent nation and member of the UN (though admittedly your buddies want to conquer it). As for “north ireland” (Northen Ireland) they are free to self-determine, the same as Scotland, and in fact last time it went to the vote the majority of the population voted to retain the union (despite Nationalist boycotts). Gibraltar, again, has recently self-determined to retain its status and as for the Chagos Islands, I admit there was some Cold War politicking but it is a very different situation (the inhabitants were effectively employees).
The sheer audacity of a Argentine to talk about colonialism and fascism is laughable. Argentina is not only a product of brutal colonialism, but extended its own “empire” significantly through conquest and subjugation. It tried to do something similar in 1982 but failed tremendously.
so funny these british wannabes talking about colonies, when all that britain did in its history was to conquer, to colonize and looting other territories.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they still have 14 or 16 colonies, ridiculously called b.o.t. (l.o.l.)
about looting, they are still doing it in the 21st century. (afghanistan, iraq, syria coming soon).
@53 And here you are wanting your own colony to conquer, colonize and loot.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have this “projection” thing mastered, I gotta tell you that.
51
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All very interesting I am sure but quite simply; why is out life expectancy so much higher than that for Argentines if CT scanners are such necessary items?
#53
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And where did Argentina get ALL of its land from? Did the magic pixies give it to you? It wouldn't surprise me if that's what you were taught. Here's the truth:
- The Spanish stole some of it of Native Inhabitants.
- Europeans, predominantly form Spain, came and occupied this stolen land.
- Many of those Europeans decided they could get richer if they stole this land from Spain so they did. Eventually they decided to call themselves Argentinians.
- Unhappy with the land they stole from the Spanish they stole more, a lot more, from the aboriginal population.
- Eventually, they even stole land from another bunch of European descended thieves.
- They then tried to steal land off the wrong people and got, figuratively, punched in the face repeatedly. Now they sit around just moaning to anyone who would listen that they were robbed.
Of course the British did something similar, for a while, however, the British Empire now finds itself decolonized, largely peacefully. The remaining territories have all expressed their desire to remain connected to the United Kingdom. In many cases, I'm sure this is purely pragmatic - they are too small to function effectively as sovereign states (Pitcairn Islands and Montserrat are good examples here) or need defending from bunch of thieving expansionists.
To suggest that Iraq, or Afghanistan were about “looting” is frankly just stupid, but then again I'm not really surprised coming from you as someone who seems to be driven by a desire to destroy a peaceful 9-generation old community.
P.S. Who are you calling a British wannabe? I was born on island of Great Britain to British Parents. I'm not sure I could be more British.
@48
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0All argentinians president have claimed the islands but is not Argentina responsability to provide care to 3,000 retards.
57
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you'd know Sussie. Is that why you moved abroad?
Plastic threats. Plastic country.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The stench of hypocrisy is so strong I can smell it from here.
Imperialism is dead. When will Argentina / Spain understand that concept?
(52) Turnip Mr. inthegutter says...:
Feb 08th, 2014 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0”...... the fact they have significantly better health indicators (including much longer life expectancy) than all of South America....”
(55) Kelper Mr. Joe Bloggs says...:
“.... why is out life expectancy so much higher than that for Argentines...”
(60) Argie Mr. Think says...:
Tell me, young lads..... Where do you get this so called “Fact” about them Kelpers longevity?
Any sources you care to share with this old Argie?
Or are you just telling Anglo porkies as usual?
What is this malvinista obsession with sticking Falklanders in a CT scanner?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it some cunning plan to kill them off as a result of the increased radiation exposure?
Congressman Pozzi, a former shop steward at Pepsi-Cola's now-closed Montevideo bottling plant, was a member of the Independent Party. He crossed over to the Frente Amplio and has lost all pretense of being independent. He takes his orders from the government.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0#60
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0From here:
http://www.unescap.org/pdd/publications/workingpaper/wp_09_02.pdf
Page. 24, Falkland Islands life expectancy: 78.3. Argentina is 76 according to: WHO (2013).
Care to retract your claim that I'm lying?
@61
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0They think that by highlighting that the Falkland Islanders lack all the conveniences of modern medicine, that they are inferior, backward, dependent on others, or just plain poor.
The truth is that no community of just 3,000 would have a full modern hospital. It would be idle most of the time because no community of that size has a need to be scanned all the time.
Of course things will change when the oil revenues arrive. Then the Falkland Islanders will be able to afford a top of the line hospital to take care of the Islanders, the oil workers, the fishermen, maybe even the people in Antarctica - who also happen to lack a CT scanner, even though most of them come from nations who have an abundance of them.
If fact, the whole thing about scanners is a RED HERRING!
The Malvinistas don't want you talking about the fact that politicians from other South American states are opening regular dialogue with the Falkland Islanders, because it means that all the work that Argentina has done building a coalition against the Islanders has been for nothing.
The resolve is breaking down and so will the coalition of South American states and with it, the boycotts on business, the obstruction of cruise ships, all the moves that Argentina tried to make life difficult for the Islanders have FAILED.
When Argentina runs out of bribes to give other states, their support will dwindle. These visiting politicians know that Argentina is on her last legs, that the state is falling apart and bankrupt, so they are getting in quickly with the Islanders, to supply them with whatever they need, so that these South American states can benefit from the increased trade. The Falkland Islanders will need a lot of material for the oil production when it begins and these politicians can see a huge profit from the business it will bring.
They may have mouthed platitudes of solidarity in the past, but now they are dropping Argentina and embracing the Islanders as friends.
(60) Argie Mr. Think says...:
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me, young lads..... Where do you get this so called “Fact” about them Kelpers longevity?
Any sources you care to share with this old Argie?
Or are you just telling Anglo porkies as usual?
(63) Mr inthegutter says...:
From here:
www.unescap.org/pdd/publications/workingpaper/wp_09_02.pdf
Page. 24, Falkland Islands life expectancy: 78.3. Argentina is 76 according to: WHO (2013).
Care to retract your claim that I'm lying?
(65) Ozzie Mr. Anglolatino says...:
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
PS: Don't look at ours Think!
Pwned something chronic AGAIN!
Mrs lsolde says…
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0snigger, snigger, light giggle☼
Perhaps if we had CT it would be Falkland Islands life expectancy 80 vs. Argentina 76.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of cat scans I think my cat needs one. What she just deposited in her litter tray does not look good. Must go; another day of concreting awaits.
I'll come back tonight after Think has had a full 24 hours of trawling through hundreds of web pages and documents to try to find evidence that us Bens with our mutton, alcohol and witch doctors don't live as long as them Argies with all of their state of the art CT scanners.
Here's a thought. The Ben life expectancy is different from the UK one. Does that make us a separate people?
Chuckle chuckle
Att...: Turnip at (63) Mr. inthegutter
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0CC...: (58) Joe Bloggs , (65) Anglolatino, (66) Isolde, honey...
Thanks for the link....
All the normal places I checked returned a “Not Available” message…
Let’s look at the factual info, shall we?….:
Life expectancy in the Falkland/Malvinas Islands (2009) ...: 78.3 Years
http://www.unescap.org/pdd/publications/workingpaper/wp_09_02.pdf
Well ....78.3 Years is not so bad……
Let’s now look at the significantly better life expectancy indicators from the two adjacent and comparable Continental Argentinean Provinces, shall we?...:
Life expectancy in Santa Cruz Province (2010)…: 81.09 years.
http://www.unescap.org/pdd/publications/workingpaper/wp_09_02.pdf
Life expectancy in Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur Province (2010)…: 80.38 years.
http://www.unescap.org/pdd/publications/workingpaper/wp_09_02.pdf
As you people can see a significantly better life expectancy in Continental Patagonia than in them wind blown Islands... ;-)
By the way Mr. In the gutter….
I never “Claimed” that you were lying....
I “Insinuated” that you were telling “Porkies”, as the above info clearly shows…
Please lads and lasses.... Inform yourselves better.... You are too easy.
A nice weekend to the lot of you
El Think
Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.
@67
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Joe
It stands to reason that having several generations born in the Islands and having adapted to the location, climate, and the way of life that has evolved, and living what I would consider a more healthy lifestyle than us Poms , a CT scanner is not exactly a priority on your wish list. Also it does mean you are distinctly different from people in the UK. WhenI was in the Falklands I didn't have any sleepless nights worrying about the lack of a CT scanner. Perhaps that's why the Argies surrendered in 82?
At least it means that without a CT scanner, your neurotic neighbours are unlikely to risk visiting the Islands.
Also the Argentines seem to think you are primitive because there are no high rise tower blocks-presumably without them again, the Argentines will not wish to emigrate to the Islands.
But if you change your mind and wish to attract the likes of Sussie-maybe you could get some coastels back?
@ 68 Lunatic
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your link doesn’t work.
General note on statistics.
Without other data, the average life expectancy is just “information” that tells you virtually nothing. What is required is the accompanying standard deviation SD which allows the educated of us, so it lets the Lunatic out, to assess the statistical reality of how life expectancy is spread throughout the population (the data that is used to form the statistical result NOT the population being examined).
With a high SD the actual population suffers extreme spread in life expectancy. With a life expectancy of 81 and an SD of 5 this means a spread of 66 to 91 years. A SD of 5 is typical in LatAm (minimal data).
For the Falklands I would expect an SD of 3 to 4 (in whole numbers) so the range would be:
(3) = 69.3 to 87.3 for (4) = 66.3 to 90.3 which is very similar to the Lunatic’s data.
SDs of 3 to 4 are typical of European societies.
Of course the REALLY important thing about the Falklands population is the fact they are European based.
Thank you Think.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0However Santa Cruz and Tierra del Fuego are still lower than Australia's 81.3 years.
Better yet in Victoria the median age at death was 82.6 years in 2012.
http://abs.gov.au/ausstats%5Cabs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/F95E5F868D7CCA48CA25750B0016B8D8?Opendocument
El Anglotino
Brunswick West, Victoria, Australia
AUSTRALIA-what Argentina could have been without Perón!
TWIMC
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some Turnips in here [No.: (70) for example] seem to have the habit of using language as a tool of confusion and obstruction so deeply ingrained that they are unable to speak clearly and directly even in circumstances in which they honestly wish to make themselves clearly understood…….
Just as Sir Humphrey :-)
LOLz
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think should try reading some of Nostril's posts!
@28 Please get it right. Sussie is a hooker. Not a very good one. But you can tell her “speciality”. Her mouth is always open and BIG!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Strange how 2013 OECD statistics don't show any CT scanners in argieland. Did you steal them and don't want people to know where they are? Still, it's your choice. CT scans lead to cancer!
@57 Can't be retards, sicko. They want nothing to do with YOU. Did you notice how I did that? You selected a “name” based on your glorious leader's initials and her age. But it works just as well, or even better, as “sicko”. Clever, eh?
@68 I wonder, Twinky, have you established the life expectancy in Darwin (FI)? How about Port San Carlos? You see, there may be “regional” differences. So it doesn't help if you pick your two best. Besides, everyone knows the benefits of “sea air”. And the whole of the Falkland Islands has “sea air”.
Again, Tinkaroo has been proven wrong.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you ever right Tinkaroo?
I'm still waiting on the RG good news posts you promised us.
Can't find any?
Is 4.8% inflation a month considered good news there?
Only 5 inches of filthy sewer water in the streets of BA good news?
Arson to cover up the Ks bank fraud?
Come one give us some good new boy!
Argentina's invalid territorial claims on the Falklands
Feb 08th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After signing the Arana-Southern 'peace treaty' in 1850, Argentina did not make a further sovereignty protest until 1888 then left it until 1941 before the matter was again raised in the Argentine Congress.
Under international law, such protests are considered invalid if there is a gap of 50 years or more between sovereignty protests.
The UN ICJ Opinion on the invalidity of such protests is contained on page 8, paragraphs 2 and 3 of the attached document. http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/124/14325.pdf
(73) Anglolatino
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may call me infantile…, a woman or even a Faggot if you wish...
But don't ask me to read Toby's posts… That lad is Wacko...!!!
He “Thinks” the Malvinas are English...!!!
#68
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Think, it's interesting that you mention those.
Firstly, regarding Santa Cruz, the source of the most recent (2010) life expectancy entry does not appear to exist anymore (!) and came from INDEC (!!) and is curiously much higher than the entire country (!!!). Secondly, the value in the original source for the 2000/2001, appears to disagree quite significantly with that quoted on the wikipedia page (!!!!).
Unfortunately my Spanish is not very good so I could be wrong here. Perhaps a Spanish speaker/reader would care read the actual document? (It is reference 6 on the es.wikipedia page Think sent around: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincia_de_Santa_Cruz)
For Santa Cruz it looks like the value was 72.93 in 2000/2001.
Curious...
Ban Ki-Moon speaks:
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.speroforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says#.UdHcad5wz9B
and
http://www.speroforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says#.UdHcad5wz9B
Poor Argies, where would they be without the 'Great Malvinas Lie?'
@ 72 Lunatic
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you do not understand that SD is a measure used to determine the risk associated with easily quantified information?
Why am I not surprised?
To simplify matters even more:
6 x SD = virtually 100% of the entire quantifiable risk of whatever you are measuring is likely to happen and it will be centred on what you call the “life expectancy”.
Clear now, you old duffer?
Well done, islanders!!! I truly believe you must intensify relations with S. A. countries, and with their people.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First people, then governments.
Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil will support you... as long as you don't forget that Argentina is alone in their childish claims. (and not only in this. In fact, the argie gov with thei chronic stupidity is your “best supporter” right now)
Oh!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess we need another war to try new weapons and war tactics to keep our armies and resources up to date...
I know some will say that this seems to be a little bit cruel, but life is like this...
Consider this for a while...
Wars provide a venue to try new weapons and also new technologies, think how many things come from wwII inventions that have benefit the whole world.
Ok some people will die in the process but this is a little sacrifice compared with the technological advantage the nations involved will benefit.
People will die anyway soon or later but if with can give them a good reason to die for the befit of the world that would not be a waste after all...
What do you thing guys?
I would like to hear you opinion...
#82
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you rambling on about? What has this got to do with anything being discussed here.
The whole war and technology is actually overstated. During WWII governments invested a significant fraction of GDP in research - you don't need a war to do this, but it is a useful excuse. With specific regard to WWII most of the major innovation had their basis in the 1920s and 30s (i.e. between the wars) during which our scientific understand rapidly increased.
But anyway, what's the point? It sounds like you're trying to bait us.
83 inthegutter
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eventually it will come down to a square-off between scientists. A bit like how the Armies of old would settle a battle with “Champions”???
Only in the future we will use teams of scientists.
The two warring nations will pick a team of their very best scientists to come up with new and better ways to kill people.
The one team that comes up with the invention that can not be countered by the other countries scientific team will be the winner.
It will be that or all the governments in the world will give all of their defense budget to BAE systems and they will mediate on any future conflict.
@82 Oh, I do agree. I think we should start with the Royal Navy's 7 SSNs getting within 500 miles and then launching all their cruise missiles. That'll be 210 of them. They can probably operate a “rolling” programme where missiles are launched and then the sub “retires” to the nearest RFA vessel or the Falklands for “replenishment”. How do you fancy 200 missiles a day, every day, for a week? Then we could get the RAF in the air with its Storm Shadow and Brimstone missiles. How do you feel about 32 Trident nuclear missiles?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know what the weapons can do and we don't need “tactics”. “Tactics” are for wimps. Annihilation is so much better. And where better than argieland for a bomb, missile and nuclear range than argieland. A place that no-one likes, no-one wants and the whole world would be happy to see the back of. Other advantages. Argies from around the world could be captured, taken back and thrown into the molten lava from suitable aircraft. Swan dives from 10,000 feet. Like meteorites. Set 'em on fire first. Photographic competitions, you know. And cooked “Bergers”! On the bone.
Just as Sir Humphrey :-)
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You read his blog also..
Thin Pinstriped Line
http://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00Z&updated-max=2015-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=3
mmmm
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Well I see Think didn't manage to prove me wrong.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess the Uruguayan politicians are here by now. It will be good to talk with them during the week.
Building bridges :)
@87 - well done Joe, you guys just keep at it. The world knows the truth about your islands. The Falklanders will be free from Argentina soon. We the UK and our allies will back you all the way and protein t your right to self determination.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love this “totally rejected”.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like, who cares? Also one can not 'reject' something that two Nations agree between themselves.
Oh, do grow up!
Such random foolishness is borderline hysterical.
So one dropped out from the ruling Frente Amplio, the others are all here. We look forward to a week of productive discussions in an atmosphere of mutual respect.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that just how it should be ?
(90) GALlamosa
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Juppppppp, my dear Kelper...
Everything is just how it should be...
Enjoy your week of “productive discussions”...
Think, Its been 3 days and nary a good news post from Argentina. One must assume you can't find any.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay. I'll start you off, GM Renault FIAT are suspending workers and lowering production. Why is this good news you ask. More Vacation time for Argentinians! Yea for them!
Isn't that how your bizzaro world logic works down there? Do I have it right? If not please let me know where I am wrong.
Psst this is another one of my many predictions that are coming to pass.
In case you are not keeping track.
@92 Yankeeboy
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“GM Renault FIAT are suspending workers and lowering production.”
To their credit, I don't think they have blamed this on the Islanders /UK/ Europe etc etc etc.
Yet.
It won't ever be 'their fault', that I do know.
And according to CFK, the great Argentine people will still march on with shiney biceps, sycles etc etc praising the everlasting motherland.......
LOL
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 93 Pete Bog
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great post.
But we know one thing for certain TMBOA won’t be leading them, not until somebody behind her has the rope.
Ha, ha, ha.
The Argentine embassy in Montevideo - full of Argentine drama queens sobbing like sissies.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 043 Paulcedron- CT SCAN - No not UK - we fly a mere 75 mins to Punta Arenas for that - and use the same Scanner that dozens of Argentines now travel to Punta Arenas to pay to use as no decent ones in southern Patagonia their side.
Feb 11th, 2014 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do tell me - how many small towns of 3000 population in remoter parts of Argentina have a CT Scanner?
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