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Spain battles Sub-Saharan migrants who managed to break into Melilla
About 150 sub-Saharan migrants managed to enter Spain’s north African enclave of Melilla on Monday after a group of 250 stormed a barbed-wire border fence, the Spanish Interior Ministry said. Spanish media showed video of those who got over the fence running down the streets of Melilla shouting “Barca, Barca!” as they headed toward a detention centre. Read full article
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Feb 18th, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you started it, and will suffer the consequences..
Perhaps Spain should concentrate on holding on to their colonial outposts and shut up about the self determining overseas territories of Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands.
Feb 18th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The king himself once told the press that they should keep it quiet rather than get their colonies pulled into the argument.
FAIL
no doubts spain should return ceuta and melilla.
Feb 18th, 2014 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in the same way the uk should return malvinas, gibraltar, esequibo, north ireland, etc etc to their true owners.
colonialism is unacceptable in the xxi century.
paulcedron - The uk (ie. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NORTHERN IRELAND) should not 'return' Northern Ireland, because the UK is a union in which it is a part of. Before, the country was known as the Kingdom of Great Britain. N.I. is what makes the UK the 'UK'. Northern Irish are unionists, it was the Republic that broke-off from the country. The St. Patricks cross composes a 1/3 of the union jack depicting it's ownership. As for the other territories, the UK has allowed these residents (in particularly the Falklands) to decide their region's fate in terms of ownership. They're part of the British territory because they want to be, not because they are forced.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3
Feb 19th, 2014 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the cases of the Falkland Islands(Malvinas), Gibraltar and Northern Island none of these territories are colonies. They are already populated by their true owners.
@3
Feb 19th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this mean the descendants of the Spanish conquistador should also leave Mexico, Argentina etc and the USA handed back to its natives? Not to mention Australia, New Zealand, Africa blah blah blah
Or does this mean that you reside in a hopelessly PC armchair?
Humans are the products of their history, if places like Gibraltar, Faulkland Islands (not the Malvinas) are self determining and treat ALL their residents well (unlike the Brutal Spanish African enclaves) then that ought to be the end of the matter.
Worth also noting that in the case of Gibraltar, that it was legally ceded to Britain in 1713 by 'old' Spain, not the 'modern' Spain that exists today (if modern can be used for a thuggish pretend democracy) so Spain are asking for something 'back' that never belonged to them in the first place.
So Paul, I suggest that reality might make an interesting departure for you.
“Spanish media showed ... [them] ... running down the streets of Melilla shouting “Barca, Barca!” as they headed toward a detention centre.”
Feb 19th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hilarious!!!
Also, on a more serious note, @5 Gordo & @6 tezza have already made the points I wished to. So, thanks guys! Leave you to it.
Gollum2 is going to have a difficult few days hiding away from this.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0so the british think malvinas, gibraltar, etc, are not colonies because they changed their “status” to british overseas blablabla?
Feb 19th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and they talk about brainwashing... funny
@3 & 9
Feb 19th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether the Falklands & Gibraltar are colonies or not, mere semantics.
The peoples of both places do not want to be colonized by Argentina or Spain.
Nor do they want to be removed from their homeland, that would be ethnic cleansing after all.
So what do you propose the peoples of the Falklands and Gibraltar should do...
In fact they have to do nothing.
They are happy with their status as BOT's
Argentina and Spain go out of their way to try to make life difficult for the Falklands and Gibraltar peoples.
This is bullying.
The more Argentina and Spain bully these peoples the stronger the BOT's become.
@9 When you hand your country's rule over to what's left of the First Nations' people who your ancestors virtiually exterminated you can talk. Until then enjoy your own right to self determination while dancing on a mass grave AND having the nerve to deny the same right to people who have lived in peace except for your country's fascist invasion that you still celebrate on a coin.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0which ancestors, you halfwit?
Feb 19th, 2014 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as far as i know, my ancestors were immigrants, mostly from galway.
england or the uk is the responsible of the major massive killing worldwide.
not only in the past, but even now.
so the ones who have to carry that burden are you, brainwashed sheep.
@12 Spare me your pretend indignation and self absolution by being an immigrant to the western hemisphere without using the land bridge. And I'm not english by the way so “halfwit” yourself, hypocrite. You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. The First Nations didn't hand Argentina over to Spain or to the UP or to Argentina willingly in a civil treaty in the conquest of the new world and your celebrated “war of the desert.” It was taking from their bleeding and often dead hands. And there you are. Living there. Immigrant. Implanted. Insisting on your god given right to be there (immigrant or not) while denying the right for others to live peaceably on an island that you as european colonialist lost to a fellow european power in the 5-year-old game of football in the 1800s that all europeans, played with no problem -- at least when any of them won.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So paulcedron, you now show your true (anti British) colours...why then pretend to be so phoney PC and dispassionate in your first post?
Feb 19th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't have the intestinal fortitude (guts) to come clean in the first place, why not just stop reading this stuff and stick with begging in front of the TV?
Sychophants make me Ill. sod you!
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Feb 19th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anti british?
it is just a question of facts
you cannot deny the history of britain.
guess you need to read more history.
but what it is funny are those hypocrites who criticize spain for still having ceuta and melilla and not britain for still having 14 colonies
@15 No Paul. Cut the Argentina (and Spain) Double Standard Time. As with the BOT/British NGSTs, if the people of Cueta and Melilla in 2014 are good with being with Spain (and better with being with Spain than being with Morocco) then we should and many here ARE quite good and supportive with that. Bluster aside and “Cinderella Test” Reciprocity aside, folks on the pro-Gibraltiaarian pro-Falklader side indeed respect Cuetans and Melillans fundamental human right to self-determination. And we recognize that being under Spanish (and European Law) is considerably different and quite likely preferable in many ways from the local's perspective to being under Moroccan law.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, it is YOUR country, and Spain that wants its own right to self-determination but NOT for others who have said repeatedly that they wants NOTHING to do with you or them. If it applies to C&M (which it does) it applies to (F&G). You can't justify a “special” case. The General Assembly voted it down. The ICJ won't go there. The adult world won't go there. All you have is regional alliances and a corrupt C24 block that evades its responsibility.
The pushback that you complain about here at MP w.r.t. to Gibraltar vs C&M (and the Falklands) is 100% the fault of Spain's governments (and nearly identical antics from Argentina's governments w.r.t the Falklands) wanting to deny the same rights they claim for themselves to others for no other reason than a lust to control them. AND it's also the fault of the citizens in Spain and Argentina who gladly let them cynically and hypocritically ring that particular bell with impunity. Otherwise if Spain (and Argentina) would have a live and let live attitude on battles lost to all nearly 200 and more years ago and live in the 21st century then you would see a very different treatment of Spain (and yes, Argentina) from a lot of people here. (Heck you might even get a somewhat softer response to the sovereign debt issue!)
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Feb 19th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0england or the uk is the responsible of the major massive killing worldwide.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not only in the past, but even now
Simple just to say,
but can you prove it,
#15
Feb 19th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well you have let the cat out of the bag now. Irish ancestry from Galway and an emigrant from the “Old Country”.
It explains your anti-British stance on everything. So every post is coloured by this while pretending to be objective. Enough said..
NAME OUR 14 COLONIES !
@3
Feb 20th, 2014 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“colonialism is unacceptable in the xxi century.”
Hence Argentina is attempting to colonise the Falkland Islands, and Spain is attempting to colonise Gibraltar.
@3
Feb 20th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have Esequibo now? When did we get that?
@15
You think nobody in the UK ever heard of the British Empire?
Kneejerk anglophobia of this nature is just the habitual trajectory of the thwarted Malvinista. You always end up in a generic anglophobia which can be neither proved not disproved, but which must be a tremendous comfort to you when all your other arguments have been refuted and exposed.
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Feb 20th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you didn´t know it?
and you say you are british?
most of them are tax havens and smuggler´s paradises.
here you have the list, lazy british wannabe:
Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands
22 paulcedron
Feb 20th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wrong,mmm
but if Argentina created an empire, most of the list would be colonised, would it not,,,and , by most of
by south America..
@15 etc.
Feb 20th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the final time. They are not colonies. They chose to be part of The Commonwealth and can leave anytime they like.
You are a blithering idiot.
just quit, fool.
#22
Feb 20th, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't wannabee, I AM !!!!
I am fully aware of the “so called colonies” which you are inferring wish the yoke of British oppression lifted from them. I just wanted you to name them.
So we should grant self determination to the uninhabited islands in Antarctica.
How do we get Elephant seals and Albatrosses to vote ?
The remote outposts of the Atlantic islands and Pitcairn should also fend for themselves ?. They are too small and remote to survive on their own.
Akrotiri and Dhekalia are British sovereign bases. If it had not been for them, Cyprus would now be a Turkish province. The threat of British intervention when Turkey invaded stopped them in their tracks.
As for the others,Mauritius will probably get the Indian Ocean Territories.
Monserrat was colonized by your IRISH ancestors in the 16th century so it's YOUR fault. It just costs the UK taxpayer money for no return.
You could call it “noblesse oblige”
If the other colonies wanted self determination they could have it BUT the nasty Hispanics and Latinos would invade and steal their land if Britain moved out. A conundrum, isn't it.
Yes, I admit I am lazy. At 72 I have a right to be. Maybe if you live long enough, you will be too !
Your not the brightest bulb in the chandelier , are you !
lol clyde.
Feb 20th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0reallly enjoyed reading your post.
and a lot more now, knowing you are 72.
so you are british.
guess you are not scottish, are you?
#26
Feb 21st, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many times have I got to do this !!!!!
See my post at #59 Clyde15 (#)
“Scotland independence leads to debate on the pound and EU membership”
27,
Feb 21st, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he is playing you, [[so you are British ]]
ha ha , actually we come from earth, and that makes us earthlings,
mind you we have no idea what [ they ] call themselves nowadays ..lol
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