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Cristina Fernandez wants France to lobby before the Paris Club

Friday, March 7th 2014 - 04:41 UTC
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President Cristina Fernandez is expected to visit France for the opening of Paris Book Show, with a great display of Argentine culture and conferences, but most important she will be meeting on 19 March with her peer Francois Hollande to strongly lobby for a better deal with the Paris Club for the payment of a defaulted debt of 10bn dollars dating back to 2001. Read full article


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  • Gordo1

    Argentnine culture? Bife de chorizo?

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    So Argentina wants to pay a debt with ........ more debt ??

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Argentina opening it's books, not a chance in hell, surely that is called transparency and we can't have that not under CFK

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    1. Laziness and corruption.

    They won't get a deal without IMF audits.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Its just a shopping trip for her now that she is no longer wearing her widow's weeds.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The whole world knows what scumbags they are, I don't know who they think they are fooling:

    Lalin says getting into the oil industry was as easy as calling on contacts he had made in a career working for the Peronist movement.

    “I didn’t have any oil experience at all,” he says. “Those oil auctions are won with political contacts.”

    The government system of granting oil leases is a monumental mistake that has set the nation back in both energy production and economic growth, says Estenssoro, the former senator who co-led the 2012 Senate investigation.

    “The winners are the government’s friends,” she says. “The losers are the people of Argentina.”

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    Argentine culture? Choripan? Or even Diego Maradona, then!

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    Why would they give debt relief to Argentina. Their own government says they have experienced steady growth for the last 12 years, they have just increased defence spending by 34%, as many posters on hear have posted their debts are much lower than the UK and USA. They have allied with Iran, not good friends with many members. They have had recent disputes with Spain. Why would the UK aid them in financing weapons which may be used to attack them. Shove off Argentina, pay your debts.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think the USA will block any deal that doesn't include IMF monitoring. The USA Germany and Japan are fed up with these losers and their constant whining.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    As I recall last year, when it was suggested Argentina do the exact same thing (over the exact same issue, territorial dispute, invasion... of which of course I do not see as such but Argentina's government does), the members of this forum BLASTED AND EXCORIATED Argentina for “politicizing the Olympics”.

    So I am sure we all agree that today's decision by the UK, and Germany, and France, and the United States, and Italy, and others is APPALLING, UNDIGNIFIED, SMALL, and worthy of BANANA REPUBLICS.

    Thank you mr. Putin. With your action on Crimea you have with one shot brought down so many myths of the WEST: self-determination belief, cessation of imperialism and expansionism, non-politicization of the Olympics, respect for referendums...

    The myth of the good and righteous West now lays in broken, smoldering shards and scattered cinders.

    And it only took two weeks to prove the West is just as tyrannical and anti-human rights as they accuse all others of being.

    Well done Russia! And did all that while RESPECTING self-determination!

    What an utter humiliation to the west.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    10. What a utterly warped mind you have little boy.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    U mad, my tyrannical ogre from a despotic nation that politicizes Olympics, denies self-determination, and is bent on buying countries into your dominance?

    Go be pals with Russia, China, and the like. Argentina is far better in humanity than all the West COMBINED. You are way below us.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    @ 12 A_neuTroll_Observer
    I believe I asked earlier what medication you are on but you haven't replied yet. But with your recent offerings you have confirmed that you are, indeed, quite deranged.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    I have noticed that since the Crimean crisis not ONE LOUSY WESTERNER has been able to successfully explain how anything I said does not make sense, and the West has been blown out of the water and now flaps helpless on the pier floor, as a naked fish that can't breath after being utterly exposed.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    It is impossible to explain anything to someone who is clearly deranged.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    That's why you people do not respond to my explanations. Thanks for the clarification, my western anti-democratic tyrants.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    You are aware that Argentina is about as far west as you can get without being Chile or Hawaii.

    People were opposed to athletes boycotting the games for political reasons, not politicians boycotting the games for political reasons. You will remember that the little hockey player bore the brunt of the criticism not Princess plastic who everyone was quite happy to see stay home.

    There is a slight difference between the situations. For a start if Russia believes it has the right to do what it has done why does it deny that it has done it. Let's also remember that it was both Argentina And Russia who did the invading. It was the UK who should have had the right to block Argentine participation in London 2012 as the aggrieved party, a Argentina has no valid complaint that it can boycott over. Remember it was Argentina that invaded. Argentina that a used civilians, Argentina that are a bunch of arseholes. Argentina that launched a surprise attack on an unarmed friendly neighbour, Argentina that repeatedly publicly lied about what was going on. Finally it was it much of a threats what Argentina got up to at London 2012 was not much. Most people would not have noticed if they had boycotted.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer


    Are you a moron? Do you understand “west” in my usage is a concept, not a geographical coordinate? Argentina is NOT part of that “west”, the imperialist, corrupt, racist west responsible for the death of 600 MILLION people since 1492.

    As for the Olympics in London, absolutely no one in Argentina watched, we don't give a sh!t about the Olympics. Never have. In fact if you asked in the streets where the last ones where held, I would bet you 200 Euros more than half would not even answer correctly.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Methinks Toby can't afford his meds any longer.

    Seems Crissy is very worried about the DEA
    as well she should be

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    I am not surprised that the Olympics do not have a great impact in Argentina - let's face it, have they ever had much success with the exception of their beautiful field hockey players(ladies, I mean)?

    But, of course, in 2016 Rugby Football 7s will be part of the Olympic scene - I bet that Argentina will then take notice.

    Deranged twit!

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer


    LOL, you think the US can imprison Argentine officials? Keep dreaming never gonna happen, your self-delusions are playing tricks with you, AGAIN!!


    We don't have much success because WE DON'T CARE. In the sports we do mediumly care about, we have done much better than England ever has (tennis, football, basketball, polo, field hockey in womens... exception rugby but you won by bribing the reffs in 2003, everyone knows that).

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @18 A_neoTroll_Observer

    “...responsible for the death of 600 MILLION people since 1492.” Where did your ancestors migrate from again? Did they suddenly become better world citizens upon reaching Argentina's exotic shores? No-one in Argentina watched the Olympics? Not even to support their ( 137 strong ) team. Did not you or your fellow citizens take pride in Sebastian Crismanich's gold medal?

    Please don't feel compelled to reply to these questions. But I would add that if you really wanted to attack the 'west' effectively you could do so much more accurately if you knew more about the subject in question. And if you were alive when the Berlin wall came down I doubt your sanguinity over the Russian presence in Crimea would be so complete.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I think that it is 3 bottles of Malbec, talking which can lead to hallucinations and cognitive problems. Remember, Mendoza is the centre of the world. They are having a mighty piss up at the wine festival. That combined with a tendency of delusions of grandeur explains a lot.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    21. You think Argentina somehow ranks higher than Panama?
    It doesn't
    Plus I think the next gov't may turn her, her disgusting family and whoever else they want to get rid of over to us. It is a convenient and expedient way to get rid of the hag and her revolting offspring.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    An excellent analysis of the matters of Ukraine and Putin.
    IMO Agitated, very complex and cynical politics at home have Independent Argentine political analysts in perhaps the best in the world...

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer


    Immigrants did not kill anyone. It was the EUianPEANS that had taken over Argentina that that killed the Indians and then offered the land to otherssss... or no? heheh.

    You are the criminals, not Ii.

    No, I don't even know who Crismanich is... if he won a gold metal, good for HIM as an individual for his efforts. No one in Argentina watched, I guarantee you that, and certainly it is not some sort of national accomplishement. It is solely his.


    Panama is the country that sent you packing from the canal hohooo. and you couldn't do jackshit right? Well, not bad then to pe in their company.

    Argies don't hand over their own to foreigners. NEVER has happened, not even the former dictators, not even Menem. So keep dreeeeeeeeeeammmming.


    Jealous? I'm having the time of min lfie. :)

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext


    Personally I'm glad Tobias is having a good time - if that is indeed the case. If anyone could use a break from 21st century angst it is surely he. Alas I think his problems with the 'west' as, represented by MercoPress posters, precedes the ' Great Mendoza Pissup'. To him we all just geriatric leopards who can't change their stripes.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    International hate international hate, oh oho ho, international not love, but international hate, ah y ah y ah!!!

    Good song 4m Fidel nadal, but he should have sungen “international hate” not interentonalt looove.

    Euros and North Ams deserve neither..

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Within a decade the average Argentinian won't be able to communicate with the outside world.
    The technology will be too expensive
    So let them have their brief time in the sun playing with the civilized world
    Soon enough it will be like running across a North Korean online.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stoker

    Putin is utterly corrupt. He could be Argentine! This is an example of some of the more savoury tactics he employs. Paying people to man barricades and “demonstrate” on his behalf....remind you of anyone?

    Chuckle chuckle ;-D

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer


    We makes its own technology. Nothing you have to offer can conveince us anylonger. Sucks huh huh huh?

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    31. No you don't, you poorly assemble products from other countries at huge loss.
    That won't last for much longer.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    You have ignorance to donate.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext


    Toby - make sure you take some vitamin B and drink plenty of water before you hit the sack. Excellent for helping with hangovers.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    I have not even started today. Tonight is the first big parade. Free wine given away, beer at 2 pesos... every bar and wine joint open 34 hours. It will be fun.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext


    Have fun, but keep passing the open windows...

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    I meant 12 pesos and 24 hours.

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    Russia respects self-determination by launching an invasion and pretending it hasn't?

    But I'm looking forward to Ethical Argentina showing us how its done from up there on the moral high ground, and coming out in favour of the Crimean referendum and self-determination.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    @37 A_neuTroll_Observer

    I wonder whether you are gainfully employed?- because if you can afford to spend so much time posting your inanities here it means a) you are unemployed b) you are an adolescent still at school or 3) you are confined in an institution under guard.

    I find the time because I am retired and entertain myself for an hour a day here.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    39 Gordo1
    “pissed as a newt” comes to mind !

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @14 not_such_an observant old Troll.........“and now flaps helpless on the pier floor, as a naked fish that can't breath after being utterly exposed”......
    you are plastered again...first it was striped leopards, now it's NAKED fish being “exposed”.....I suppose in Argentina's territorial waters, the fish wear clothes ?? must be embarrassing to be 'caught' with their pants down...(no pun intended)

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    Now HIs Holiness will have to be on his best behaviour. I wonder whether this has anything to do with the forthcoming visit to His Holiness of Her Majesty the Queen not that there is any real comparison!

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Looked up the Paris Club, founf this particularly interesting.

    It meets every six weeks at the French Ministry of Economy and Finance in The club grew out of crisis talks held in Paris in 1956 between the nation of Argentina and its various creditors.

    Would seem Argentina was a “Cough” founding member “Cough.”

    Erm, prhaps not.

    Would seem somethings never change.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Tellіng_Trοll

    If the truth be told, our wine is being given away because we can't sell it.

    The situation is critical, we have price stagnation for over a year and economic situation has destroyed competitiveness and productivity.

    Last year wine exports were down 14% in volume and earnings were decimated by inflation that continues to increase the cost of production inputs.

    Our harvest this year is 20% down on last year with even more disappointment expected for exporters. Domestic consumption, which is faltering too, can't sustain the local industry.

    The reality is very bleak for many here in Mendoza.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    #18 Buenos Aires as a colony was set up by European Conquistadors, Argentina as a country was set up by European Conquistadors. Census data reveals that 97% of the Argentine population is European. This compares with 92% in the UK. You have your hero of your country on your bank note. In the very early years of your country he tripled its size by waging a war of genocide on its neighbours. At one point your capital and its surrounding areas had a 30% Black African slave population. This entire population was wiped out by your countries ethnic cleansing policy, which combined with your European only immigration policy (originating after Britain banned the slave trade, you were happy for African slaves to come to your country when they were your slave workforce) has lead to the current ethnic demographic. Your population speaks Spanish, a European language, not a South American language. You identify your self as a Latin nation, that is a nation from Southern Europe speaking Roman influenced language. Look at the list of government ministers. How many of them have European surnames? ALL OF THEM! Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner- your Pesidente - look at her name. Who did your president back in the Second World War, his friend Mussolini, why because they were both Latin fascists. After the war he welcome the European Fascists to your country, why because he had the same ethnic origin, political beliefs and twisted values. You are the worst of Europe rolled not one for 500 years.

    You are western in that you are in the west, you are western in that you are Latin. The only thing that divides you from what you regard as a the “west” in your tiny mind is that your country is a corrupt economic basket case, not any moral high ground.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornishair

    lol “little think” derailed the whole thread again. Is he having another breakdown?,

    Why would any country want to cancel Argentina debt, then be forced to invest in said country? makes no sense! (considering there going to default again).

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @10 Am I right in thinking that you're a stupid, bigoted liar? Wasn't “la puta in black” trying trying another lie? There have been three invasions of the Falkland Islands. That was what she was on about, wasn't it. Two in 1832 and one in 1982. I realise it wouldn't have been what she intended, but how nice of her to try to publicise argieland's total criminality. You must be seriously deranged. Therefore no purpose in “debate”. But this I will say. The bandy-legged old coot just wanted to promote lies. The UK would like to see the people decide, but not under Russian guns. You need serious help with your mental problems.
    @16 You never “explain” anything. You rant. And your rants bear no relation to reality.
    @21 Any country can imprison anyone! It's called “sovereignty”.
    And, actually, you're crap at everything. Except cheating. Natural “talent”.
    @26 Hang on. In due course, we'll have you put down. Painfully. It's the best thing.
    @31 Be patient. Not much longer to wait. A nice man will come for you with an axe. First it's the nasty little things at the front that got you into trouble with your “boyfriend”. Say about 10 milligrams. Then it's that nasty growth from your shoulders. About 4 kilos. That'll take a weight off!
    @33 Can't match your contribution on that score!
    @35, 37. Something to look forward to. Being brought back to your hovel minus two ugly growths. Oh sorry, you won't be able to “look”. But then standing in front of a mirror will be so much more pleasant!
    @44 Awww, shame. Does that mean “people” will be sinking back into depravity......sorry, meant poverty? Will that mean helpless hopelessness? Drinking from the WC? Starvation? Women chopping up “males” they've been screwed by. Time for some levity. What argie “male” part could be shoved in a snowman's head to represent the nose? And I've just thought of what could be chopped in half to make two sets of ears!

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I wonder how many spots Argentina will move down in the GDP by country list this year?

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    What she wants, and what she gets is two entirely different things,
    Besides Francois Hollande has his own female problems, the last thing he wants is an old time out of date go go girl after his shirttails,

    Hollande may be lots of things but he aint that

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    You have to wonder if Nostrils would recognise prosperity if he thinks that Mendoza is doing so well. Fiddling while Rome burns.

    Anyway he obviously doesn't recognise self-determination and hypocrisy. I'm all for Crimea leaving Ukraine because it decisively tips the ethnic balance in favour of European-leaning Ukraininans and will dilute the Russian influence. Russia will gain Crimea but forever lose Ukraine. Putin's place in history will not be favourable for Russian nationalists.

    Anyway why ISN'T this acase of self-determination? Unlike Nostrils I can critical-think and also read through the propaganda instead of seeking it out.

    Why Crimea isn't a case of self-determination:
    • Russia invaded and organised a referendum within 2 weeks. Only a child would believe a referendum could fairly be held in such a short period of time.

    • There are only 2 options to vote on and both entail independence from Ukraine. How fair is that? Option 1 leave Ukraine and join Russia. Option 2 declares Crimea independent from Ukraine (to join Russia later).

    •2.5 million ballot papers have been printed. And yet there are only 1.5 million eligible voters. So what are the 40% of unused ballot papers going to be used for? The 'correct' answer?

    Sorry, but this isn't self-determination. It's a farce.

    But hey what does it matter. Because once a year Mendoza has a big party and everyone including Nostrils gets drunk and for a short while they can forget about all their problems because the wine is so cheap that even the poor people in the slums can participate. Bread and circuses.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    Toby, our wine club had a Chilean wine evening on Wednesday. We never have an Argentinian wine evening. England is Chiles best customer - wonder why? Where does the weekly filight come from?

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Crimea is making the same kind of referendum BOTs ( Gibraltar, Malvinas)
    asking russians/english peoples whther they like to be russians/english in Ukraine/Spain or Argentina and violating terrtorial integrity and all the kind of historical geographical reasons,etc, etc.
    As in Malvinas, in Crimea the referendum is also illegal. Its not only a matter of time. New forms of colonialism. In my opinion.
    Russia and Britain applies the same principles.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Well Russia better make up its mind then and recognize Kosovo, if it is so concerned about the self determination and safety of the Russians of Crimea,
    Abkhazia and South ossetia

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    On the subject of Ukraine, I have a simple question.

    Who next?

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    If Crimea is successful of departing Ukraine, probably Catalunya or Scotland or a piece of Syria will follow IMO

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check


    You have obviously been listening to some of the more, shall I save, more vocal Jocks.
    I would have said Scots, but frankly, I am not up to another vocabulary lesson from A-Voice.
    Joking aside, what ever the Jocks decide, is what they will they get, but I would respectfullu point out, that whilst they are voting, there are no British troops surrounding or occupying their institutions.

    Aint democracy a bitch! Don't you just love it.

    SOLDIERS? WHAT SOLDIERS?????????????????

    I would post something like PMSL, but frankly do not feel like it.

    Russia will take Ukraine because no one in the West has the courage to stop them.

    Think we have been here before, shame innit!

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Scotland and Catalunia are not the same, just because they havent been invaded by a foreign militar power country, that is looking to own or colonize its territotry as an OT or by annexetion or by any other way.
    It would be more like North Ireland.
    Self determination doesnt applies to ALL “pueblos” definitivly.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    I think the FALKLANDERS ought to annexe Patagonia and then call for referendum, just like the Russkies in the Crimea

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    only applies for militar potentias, and that is not the case of Ukraine, Argentina, SPain, Libia, Siria, Africa, Middle east.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Only if the occupying soldiers let you and of course we all know their are no Russian soldiers in the Ukraine.

    Don't we.

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    malen & RC
    It doesnt matter if the Russian soldiers are in Crimea...It's the Crimean elected parliament and leaders that clearly have being swift to call on the Kremlin's aid and intervention.

    Ethnic Ukranians were less than 30% in Crimea, Russians are 60% the rest is 10 % Tatars that came back after the collapse of the USSR. Its a forgone conclusion when the USSR was disolved the Russians would by de facto control Crimea

    Mar 07th, 2014 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    60 yes there are russian bases in Crimea and has a majority of russian population
    ANd the ONU is watching the TV.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    25 CabezaDura2

    Yes, not a bad account. Bit of an exaggeration to call it the best in the world. The British quality press: “The Times”, “The Telegraph” etc have been publishing pretty similar analysis for the last week or so.

    Can’t see it will play any influence at all on the Scottish referendum. The Scots have been debating the pros and cons of independence for years. Most seem to have made up their minds, hence the relatively small shifts in the opinion polls. The result will reflect how Scots perceive Scottish interest. The Crimean situation is unlikely to change anyone’s mind.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    When a new topic/issue arises in Arg politics which I cant really work out with little research and time, the Asis & Co blog often is a light in the dark for me to understand the bigger picture in a clarifying way. The have also predicted stuff with pin point accuracy in Arg politics as they sit down to have a coffe with many high ranking “off the record leakers”

    I believe it could start triggering a wave of other movements in Eurasia wanting self determination. The Scottish debate is focused too economicaly usually its more about feelings and politics; eventually it may be that the Scottish negative in September has a disastrous consequences for MAS independence in Catalonia and other fiercely regional districts of Spain

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    Oh mercy, mercy mercy mercy mercy. the only thing worssst than a love relationship, is a fake love relationship. And the only thing worst than that is a fake love relationship between two MEN!!

    Not gay hating, I just mean the love part. and the fake part. juas juas juas, yeah?


    No I don't wonder why. Wonder why?



    How would they invade you dumster dumpie? or is it dumpster dummie? That's hillerical and histerious... oh histerical and hilarious. JUUUUASSS

    And the referendum would lose. Duh, 99% would chose remain to Argentina, I now that hurts you.


    Who speaks the Ukraine, ozzer? Ukraine is a country, Crimea is not. It was a province of Russia, severed by the lunatic Nikita.... Nikita I need you so, aah ooh aooh, Nikita!... Was it a man or a woman Elton John sang to Anglotino, you know the answer?

    But since we are back to the cold war, nice reason to reintro the song!

    Wine wine wine people, drink it while you can. And St Patricks too.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog


    “As in Malvinas, in Crimea the referendum is also illegal.”

    You don't like people voting do you?

    Perhaps you could get another fascist leader like Galteiri to rule, then you would be very happy.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_neuTroll_Observer

    Fascist is Blair and Cameron, read their resumes as PM's.

    Wars of aggression, intimidation of journalist and news organizations, human rights violations, denial of self-determination. Sad the UK re

    record in the last 10 years... on the par with Russia!! GASP audible

    UK international biiiaatch time to party!!

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Are you drunk ?

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Off his medication. Or mixing it with alcohol.

    Either way it really isn't much of a change from his usual postings.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Selfdetermination is for a pueblo (you dont have this word in english), not for poblaciones.
    ONU doesnt recoignize those referendums.
    Imagine we have in Arg a chinese neighbourhood (barrio chino) with many generations of chineses living here, one day they decide to vote for selfdetermination, call chinese troops, and annexe arg territory of barrio chino to China. Its not the way.
    Or why Malvinas doesnt open inmigration and let argentines have an argentine neighbourhood on the isles??? of more than 25 persons there are now, obviously.
    The ONU needs a reformation, new countries in that council, that have sth more than militar power in the head. Put Brazil, someone of Africa, give them veto.Im not a lawyer, so its my simple opinion.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino


    Pueblo means people in English.

    'People' is not defined in international law.

    As you have been fed a diet of propaganda compounded by a poor education, it is unsurprising that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Well if new troll is not certifiable, I don't know who is...other than CFK. In a country where they spend 1.4 million dollars per day on football, and people live in tin shacks and teachers are the worst paid people in the country, this place is going to hell in a hand-basket. And quickly.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    Malen - “el pueblo argentino” in English is the “people of Argentina” likewise “el pueblo malvinense” or “el pueblo de las Malvinas” is “the people of the Falkland Islands”. And the people of the Falklands Islands are the people born there for over six generations and have nurtured the islands and have been nurtured there - unlike the majority of the Argentine people with the exception of the indigenous citizens.

    Thus what you say is “pura m----a”! Get it?

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Mercopress_Comptroller

    I would like to welcome myself to the forum. My purpose, as a coryphaeus in the Comptrolling industry for 2 years, will be to ensure the utmost quality control of commentaries in these comment sections, and to safeguard truth and fact from the warping transgressions of non-Argentines. Thank you for the well-wishes in my new endeavor.

    The Carrousel of the Mendoza Wine Festival is fully underway, and as all politically savvy argentines know, in the year before elections the VIP stand at the Hyatt Hotel is overflowing with “presidenciales”. So who were at the VIP or are in Mendoza today for the most important they of the Harvest festival?

    - Daniel Scioli, Province of Buenos Aires Governor ( for the traditional K wing)
    - Jorge Capitanich, Chief of Staff ( for the militant K wing)
    - Juan Manuel Urtubey, Province of Salta Governor, non-ultra K K.
    - Manuel de la Sota Province of Cordoba Governor (Justicialist)
    - Mauricio Macri, mayor of Buenos Aires Federal Capital (PRO)
    - Sergio Urribarri, Province of Entre Rios Governor (militant K)
    - Julio Cobos, former Mendoza Governor and former Vice President (radical)

    It would be prudent for Argentines in this thread to disregard the destabilizing foreign forces that seek a popular revolt, whose end result would be an Argentina ripe for the taking by the imperialist, expansionist, covetous foreigners of Europe, North America, Chile, Brazil, and China, etc, and to focus on the democratic process of respecting pageantry, process, timetables, and of exercising your duty when the time comes.

    Thank you everyone. May the civilized debates between argentines begin.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    71 to 73 Why UK and EU and USA have declared Crimeas referendum as illegal????

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    “IT CAN’T be that every annual salary negotiation makes it a strain just to begin the school year,” said President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner during a speech to Congress on March 1st. Yes it can.


    Mar 08th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    75 malen

    Because it is in conflict with Ukrainian law and constitution. It also conflicts with an international treaty signed between Russia and Ukraine whereby Russia recognises the Ukrainian international border.

    It would be similiar if the Argentine province of Formosa were to hold a referendum to become part of Paraguay; with the connivance of the Paraguayian government.

    This to would be illegal under Argentine law and constitution.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    If you can't figure this out then you must be really thick.!
    It has been instigated by Russia, at the point of a gun. Only one point of view is allowed...the Russian one. The Crimean peninsula has been blocked to the press or anyone from the Ukrainian TV. No observers are allowed.
    There have already been verified reports that groups of Russian skinheads have been intimidating the Tatar population suggesting that they do not turn out to vote.
    Czar Putin is trying to reconstitute the old Soviet Union. They already took back a chunk of Georgia. Next it will be west Ukraine, then Moldova.
    The Baltic states of Estonia Latvia and Lithuania could be next. If he tries that it could be WW3.

    Nostrils has finally flipped !

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Amazing coincident, that these argies always seem to side with the gunmen,
    and dictators,

    And never on the side of freedom and democracy.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @52 And you have a list of the international observers?
    @57 Catalonia was invaded by a foreign military power country.
    @59 You left off “Worwd”!
    @65, 67 Pissed again. Pop out and go for a swim in the septic tank. Don't forget to gargle.
    @70 Self-determination is for whoever WE say it's for. You don't get a say because you're a murdering pig. Sins of the father and all that.
    The Falklands are prepared to see an argie neighbourhood. About 125 miles north of Stanley.
    There isn't ANY country in Africa, Central or South America or the Middle East with the ability to take a permanent seat on the Security Council. Maybe in 500 years or so.
    But, don't give up, you got one thing right. You are simple.
    @74 Go away, TiT.
    @75 Why did argie(faggot)land declare Falklands referendum illegal? Here's a couple of clues. The EU has a big mouth. The UK and the USA are PERMANENT members of the Security Coucil. They have a right. Argie(faggot)land has NO rights. It's just a little whingeing slug. Much like you.

    Mar 08th, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    @81 I'm, thankfully, not Argentine but just a quick question - don't you think you are wasting your time?

    Mar 09th, 2014 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @52 The point is that Russia has violated the territorial integrity of Ukraine despite being signatories to a memorandum of understanding that they would respect Ukraine's borders

    The proper way to have done it would be to allow the whole of Ukraine to conduct their own general election, as originally planned, in May and then giving the Crimean peninsula ( who are 75%+ Russian) their opportunity to vote on some degree of autonomy (including the possibility of ceding to Russia)

    Putin with his macho (read “small” man - I think you know where I'm coming from!) bravado has wrecked this possibility and now other territories such as Estonia and Latvia are getting nervous as they both have considerable Russian speaking populations (who don't necessarily want to be part of Russia) as Putin will steam in on any pretext of aiding his Russian “brothers and sisters”. Hitler used exactly the same trick in the 1930's prior to WW2 in order to conquer and subjugate smaller nations.

    I think he is setting a very worrying and dangerous precedent and the West has to make sure that it's response is robust. Fortunately there is a lot of Russian cash invested in the West so that might be a moderating factor.

    In short, Ukraine is solely a matter for Ukrainians and they have to address their own issues,

    Mar 09th, 2014 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    “You have ignorance to donate.”

    And in a large amount I would like to add.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Mar 09th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    The principle of self determination is the same, Russia was always a bully in Eastern Europe... Big news!!

    You have to take this principle as an absolute, not only whith the cases which you preffer and those who dont are not worthy of it. The rest is REAL POLITIKS...

    I think with a fair degree of security that Putin is going to get away with it. The west is chronically weak and they are no longer “players”, they are wrapped in political correctness this also will leave a dangerous presedent for Russia to start annexing Russian majority regions in Eastern Ukraine.

    Mar 09th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Apparently Mr Putin has been on the phone to Mr Camaron saying he needs help,

    So it’s all over baring the shouting,
    If you believe the reports that is..

    Mar 09th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    Whether or not it should be, Crimea is part of the sovereign territory of the Ukraine. It was a gift to the Ukraine from Russia in the 1950s and was universally accepted as part of the Ukraine upon break-up of the USSR.

    This is wholly different to Argentinas claims on the Falkland Islands which have never been part of Argentina, and are not universally accepted as being part of Argentina.

    Your point about self-determination and changing the universally agreed current position is poorly made.

    In Scotland, the Scottish Parliament and the UK Parliament have agreed a time-table for a referendum, have agreed the question, and have set their stools out to ask the Scottish people their wishes.

    In Crimea, prior to any referendum, the Crimean government have “declared” that they have “joined Russia” and invited Russian troops into their territory.

    I wonder if you can see the difference? No?? oh dear??

    What should happen is that firstly the Ukraine should hold elections (which they plan to do), which will give the new government a mandate. Then, this government, together with governemnt of the semi-autonomous region of Crimea should agree a timetable and plan to suit the people of that region.

    All of this would have been quite achievable without the escalation from Moscow.

    Again, I am sorry your inferior intellect cannot comprehend this...its a shame.

    Mar 10th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Now what are the chances of CFK nipping along to the Crimea after France,

    Perhaps she could offer her intellectual intelligence of disputes to give a hand..

    Mar 10th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    74 The_Mercopress_Comptroller

    Ha, ha, ha!!!!! New tag, same old s**t.

    A word to the wise tobi:- It doesn't matter how many times you change your tag, all of your insecurities and hatred keep shining through, so we all know IT'S YOU!!!!

    By the way tobi, why are you hiding on this thread? Why not comment on the many other stories on this forum?

    What's that? pardon? Oh I get you, this is where your intellect feels safest... Oh ok, last one before I go......

    You must have realised by now Tobi, you can't run away from yourself.

    Mar 10th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nick-at-nite

    Argentina is a joke - nobody listens to them

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    May be we are so lucky and Putin will annex Ukistan to his empire...

    I will write right now a letter to Mr. Putin to promote de idea...

    Oh! sorry... Anyone knows how to write “Bloody f@ckers retarded monkeys pirates” in Russian?

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Keep up your sparkling, erudite posts, they are a source of wonderment to us all.
    They just confirm our beliefs as to the paucity of your vocabulary and intellect.

    Now , if you wish your last sentence translated into Russian, I would suggest that you refer it to your self proclaimed genius of a linguist with the suffix “troll ”
    However, you would first have to put that into English before an attempt could be made to translate it.

    ”Bloody f@ckers..(this would need to be f@cking), retarded........
    the next bit is confusing and ambiguous......monkeys pirates.
    Is monkeys a noun or adjective ? If an adjective then it would have to monkey.
    If you meant it as a noun then it would have to be monkeys AND pirates.
    Also, you forgot to write kebab eating , pyjama remiss of you !
    I can understand why as that would have used up your complete vocabulary.
    You are banished to the naughty step to write out 100 times..”I must write my insults in correct English as per the rules of MercoPress!

    If you wish to be promoted from Troll grade 3 to grade 2, then there will have to be a considerable improvement in your posts.

    Best wishes for a happy life in will need it.

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    your standards are dropping.
    your envy is showing,
    and your jealousy is naive..

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    91 Clyde15

    Forget the English lesson. He gets most of his “English” from “The Guardian” online....... Explains a lot though doesn't it?

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    S**tHamburger@90....couldn't find any translator for Russian, so you'll have to settle for german ::“” verdammte affen-piraten”....and before I forget, F**k you !!

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Oh! Poor sad people...

    I really feel so sorry for them...

    Trying to blame other people for they own incompetence...

    Is my fault that your culture pushed you to steal other people belongings?

    I guess not...

    Is may fault that your little nation is falling apart and was turned into a province of the Franco-German Europe?

    I guess not...

    Is my fault that the govt. of your little nation convinced you about how good would be diversity and now your little country looks like a 3er world nation in Africa?

    I guess not...

    Is my fault that your corrupted politicians were lying to you for many years to convince you that Britain will take over the world and now you have turned into the 2nd largest debtor in the world?

    I guess not...

    Anyone will tell you that all this is your own fault...

    Mar 12th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Oh! Poor sad people...

    I really feel so sorry for them...

    Trying to blame other people for they own incompetence...

    Is my fault that your culture pushed you to steal other people belongings?

    that's Argentine for you..

    Mar 13th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @95 Crappy described Argentina pretty accurately...but the smarter Argentines, who don't lap up the Presidential lies, have my sympathy...

    Mar 13th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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