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UK prefers to discuss Malvinas with Massa or Macri says Swire, according to Telam
British Minister of State for the Foreign Office Hugo Swire has stated London would rather sit at the negotiating table with Argentine opposition presidential hopefuls Sergio Massa or Mauricio Macri to discuss Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSwire should politelyreject Argentina's rejection and inform the Argentine Republic that the Falkland Islands are a Self-Governing Territory and it is because of this fact any Argentine rejection of their referendum is meaningless and without legal merit because Argentina does not govern the Falkland Islands, rather the Falkland Islanders do, and it is the Falkland Islanders who make their own political choices for themselves. In short, the Falkland Islands Question has been decidedly answered by the Falkland Islanders themselves and the matter is closed because the Falkland Islanders declare the matter closed
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now they are trying to influence the democratic process of a SOVEREIGN NATION?
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland... I mean Great Britain and Northern Ireland...err, I mean England, Wales and Northern Ireland, sinking to yet a NEW LOW.
Actually, no, you have not sunk to a new low MINISTER Swire. You ALWAYS have tried to sabotage the democracy of other nations!
Par for the course. You sank to this low centuries ago.
2, I find it hilarious you think you have democracy in Argentina.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't some politician just call a judge to call off a raid?
Psst that doesn't happen in a democracy.
You are so delusional.
Cat food para todos
News casters are not witch hunted into permanent exile in a democracy.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two leviathan, stultified political parties do not snuff out fledgling third parties in a democracy.
Justice is not sold to the highest bidder in a democracy.
So what do we call the USA then... I would suggest a Secular-theocratic Plutocracy
I thought you were describing Argentina, didn't all of that happen last year in your country?
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll never know what it is like to be free.
or rich or smart.
Throwing lies in the hope that one sticks to the wall of Truth is clearly a sign that you are out of ideas. And that after two replies. That was quicker than your “time”, or so your ex-wife tells me.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What lies are you talking about?
Mar 13th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never lie what would be the point?
Did I hear the new K slogan was “Cat food para todos”
I bet you are glad I told you to buy Sugar huh? Don't sell your stash yet. I'll let you know when.
How come you are still not frozen?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't I tell you that climate change was going to hit you far harder than us?
Your northern half is becoming a new glacier, your southwest is becoming the new Sahara, and your southeast is slowly being wiped out town by town by tornados, hurricanes, and rising water (with tar and oil if in the Gulf of MEXICO).
And you didn't want to believe me.
I said Argentina didn't have the means to deal with the changes climate change will bring.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't BA flood about every couple weeks, filthy sewer water filling up the highways last week right? Electricity going out for weeks at a time. How does one deal with it? Barbaric!
Yeah it was cold here, never lost heat or electricity. Guess what!! We even have tomatoes. Yes tomatoes. They're not even expensive.
I was just swimming in the Gulf, it was clean and warm. The only oil I saw was on all the sun bathers. Oh wait come to think of it the Rgs waiters hair was a bit oily.
Cat food para todos.
Did you sell all your sugar already?
You have to import tomatoes because you import them from Mexico. It is ridiculous to import fruits out of season.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares if we don't have the means? We are not affected by it. You see, the southern hemisphere is 90% water and as such, any climatic change are almost completely dampened and cushioned.
Not the case for you unfortunate North Americans, Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Central Asians, Indians, etc. There is so much landmass in the northern hemisphere that any climactic changes, even minor ones, manifest themselves almost instantaneously.
Ever turned two stoves at the same time, and put an empty pot in one and one full of water in the other, and then placed your hand inside and touched the bottom? Guess which hand will burn first??
Oh goody, you northeners are screwed. Paying the price for your sins, Mother Nature was wise when she arranged the continents.
“will have a more realistic and mature approach over the Falklands question.”
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What question?
Argentina never had a legitimate claim. There's nothing to talk about.
Argentina just won't shut up about it. If that kind of behavior starts to put the idea in Swire's head that there is something to talk about, he should be fired.
There is no Falklands question to talk about. It is the Falklanders' land. Argentines are just kleptomaniacs that can't keep their hands off anything that belongs to someone else.
Well thankfully Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere I guess.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you I'm still trying to find where Swire influenced the democratic decision of a sovereign nation. What does that mean or all the Argentine political comments regarding the Falkland's referendum? That was a democratic decision by part of the sovereign territory of the UK.
Australia is the exception, sorry, due to climactic algebra. Being an island continent, it radiates enough heat to form an island-heat effect that will dry the continent by deflecting storms south, and keeping the monsoon in the north inactive.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, you are screwed to.
As for the rest... and then you gall to call yourself more intelligent than I?
When it is obvious Swire just chose sides in the political process. And btw, the UK on your side is the kiss of death of Argentine politics. Macri and Massa are DONE.
Attention British Nationals living on the Falklands.....
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is wrong with this statement.....
“London would rather sit at the negotiating table with Argentine opposition presidential hopefuls Sergio Massa or Mauricio Macri to discuss Falklands/Malvinas Islands SOVEREIGNTY.”
I thought the UK Govt said they would never discuss Sovereignty....
Watch out...you may be being sold down the river.....again......
You have to import tomatoes because you import them from Mexico. It is ridiculous to import fruits out of season.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0That sentence is not English. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Who cares if we don't have the means? We are not affected by it. You see, the southern hemisphere is 90% water and as such, any climatic change are almost completely dampened and cushioned.
You are not affected by the feet (meters) of water in the city where 1/3 of your population lives and where most of the “productivity” is?
Splain me.
Feet and feet of water on hwys, streets and no electricity for weeks at a time. Not bothering anyone huh?
Come on eve you aren't that dumb....well maybe...
I guess you'll figure it out when the last car mfg closes its doors and a desert is located in what used to be the Pampas.
When the pampas are desert, the USA will long have become an ice cap bordered by sand dunes.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 02, 4, 6, 8, 10, “Comptroller Nostril”
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0All your posts are off topic.
As stated, CFK CANNOT be re-re-re-elected, as stated by your own Constitution.
Safe speculations from Swire - anyone, absolutely anyone succeeding the colossal failures, CFK and puppet Timerman, are likely to be more realistic and less publicly antagonistic towards the Falklands than the public distractions of the Peronists, especially as the Opposition is by nature, likely to chart a different course politically and economically, than the incumbent Peronists.
There is no “interference” in way - all political changes or consequences in Argentina, are due solely to your actions.
Sorry, I know you don't want to hear that, much less admit it.
Suck it up, mewling cry- baby.
You just burned Massa and Macri.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm betting D'Elia is president in 2015. Europe will love him.
https://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea66e/ch09.htm
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.oas.org/dsd/publications/Unit/oea66e/ch09.htm
You may want to update your knowledge base. Lots of people are concerned with the Pamas becoming desert due to over fertilization, lack of crop rotation and a prolonged drought.
It is happening already
I think you are jealous that even the sever weather we had this year didn't stop us.
You get a little rain or a little wind and you can't even turn on a light or cross your streets without picking up some sort of waterborne disease.
What are you talking about?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can find hundreds of academic reports about the USA too. So what?
The Pampas are NEVER going away. It has 7 meters of topsoil.
Your plains have only 2 and that in the best areas, in the west only 50cm. And it already blew away once...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXqflrkJiO4
That has never happened in Argentina. NEVER.
Dumb Americans, over cropping
20 Compy-Nostril
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“That has never happened in Argentina. NEVER.
Dumb Americans, over cropping”
That was 85 years ago.
America has learned. from this, but you have not.
You and Monsanto are over-fertilising, over-poisoning, in order to facilitate your own over-cropping.
Your soil will be depleted of nitrates, your groundwater polluted, and child cancers and birth defects are going off the scale.
Welcome to your new prosperity - CFK can take the credit, Macri will be sure she does
:-)
We have not?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0We never have had that happen!
How can you learn from something that never happened or a mistake we never committed ????? LOL!
You are doing it now - raping the landscape to grow your biggest cash crop, Soy !!
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your remaining indigenous Indian population are being murdered and driven off their land with the complicity of the very authorities that are supposed to protect their rights.
Those still resisting and living on the land adjacent to the soy fields, are sprayed with pesticides and herbicides.
Parents are suffering heartbreak as they watch their children born with unprecedented frequency of birth defects and cancerous tumours and lesions all over their bodies.
Argentinas claim to sovereignty of the Falklands is really tedious. I think I'll go and watch some paint dry. It has got to be more interesting.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are doing it now - raping the landscape to grow your biggest cash crop, Soy !!
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your remaining indigenous Indian population are being murdered and driven off their land with the complicity of the very authorities that are supposed to protect their rights.
Those still resisting and living on the land adjacent to the soy fields, are sprayed with pesticides and herbicides.
Parents are suffering heartbreak as they watch their children born with unprecedented frequency of birth defects and cancerous tumours and lesions all over their bodies.
Nostril says:
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Australia is the exception, sorry, due to climactic algebra. Being an island continent, it radiates enough heat to form an island-heat effect that will dry the continent by deflecting storms south, and keeping the monsoon in the north inactive.”
I knew you were going to say something like that. So only South America is spared. Funnily enough, Australia is the world's SMALLEST continent but we seem to be the worst affected. Funny that. What is even funnier is that we don't have monsoon here. Just a wet season. Totally different thing. And considering the watershed of northern and southern Australia are separate, it won't affect the southern climate. You really need to get your head around a continent size country.
A_Voice says:
“London would rather sit at the negotiating table with Argentine opposition presidential hopefuls Sergio Massa or Mauricio Macri to discuss Falklands/Malvinas Islands SOVEREIGNTY.”
I thought the UK Govt said they would never discuss Sovereignty....
Watch out...you may be being sold down the river.....again......”
Actually London has never said it would NEVER discuss sovereignty.
When did it say such a thing?
14 A_Voice
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0”I thought the UK Govt said they would never discuss Sovereignty....
You beat me to it.
A-Voice
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0- sh!t disturbing, again. :-)
@22 Nostril
“We never have had that happen!”
Yes, you are doing it now:
Pampas
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
“The “soyazation” has been an undercurrent in the ongoing tension between Argentina’s farmers and President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.”
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
”Soyazation
Both the North American Congress on Latin America (NACLA) and the Inter Press Service note that a number of environmental problems in the Pampas grasslands have been blamed on the “soyazation” of the area. Soyazation is a synthetic word created to describe the process of converting the Pampas into farmland for growing soybeans for export. The NACLA reports environmental activists and academics saying that soyazation has resulted in soil depletion and desertification, or the transformation of formerly fertile regions into veritable deserts. IPS reports that large portions of the Brazilian Pampas have been destroyed to make room for soy farms.”
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
https://nacla.org/news/change-pampas-industrialized-farming-comes-argentina
I wonder if Mr. Hugo Swire has a message for British investors loosing money everyday in the “oil province”?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0109.25??
RKH ↓ -3.25 (-2.88%)
Dear Argentinians : The Falklands are British. Maybe you can have S. Georgia
Mar 14th, 2014 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Marcos @ 29 doesn't understand the stock market....Poor guy.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone educate him on market effects and the fact share prices increase and decrease during their life cycle?
2 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
Mar 14th, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So now they are trying to influence the democratic process of a SOVEREIGN NATION?”
You really are a t-wat arn't you?
“Swire alleged the representatives of Argentina’s opposition would show a “more mature vision” over the bilateral dispute than the Kirchnerite government”
How does this statement:- “influence the democratic process of a SOVEREIGN NATION?”
How?
Where as argentina has repeatedly blockaged the islands denied that the islanders even qualify as a “People”
You really are the lowest of scum-sucking, bottom feeding, pond life.
Did you ever stop to think that it is attitudes just such as yours that is why Hugo Swire said what he said?
This IS all your fault and you no one else to blame but yourselves.
26
Mar 14th, 2014 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said.........“Actually London has never said it would NEVER discuss sovereignty.
When did it say such a thing?”
”''We will never negotiate on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless you, the Falkland Islanders, so wish. No democracy could ever do otherwise.''
David Cameron
...Hey Skip why do you bother.....I always make you look like an idiot.........
The Islanders are British they have expressed their wish to remain British....so why talks with opposition on Sovereignty......
26
Mar 14th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You just proved Anglotino's point you dumb fuck.
“Never” as you said (and not the UK Government), is unconditional.
“Never unless” as David Cameron said is conditional. The idea is not ruled completely out.
@34 Joe, “Never unless” is conditional, but it's conditional on the Falkland Islanders agreement to become part of Argentina.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0So for all effects and purposes it is unconditional, given that I'm not sure how low on the list of preferences for the future of the Falkland Islands held by the Falkland Islanders becoming Argentina actually is, relative to something like sinking-it-int0-the-sea or nuclear testing site. I'd imagine that the three would be about as popular as each other...
@33
Mar 14th, 2014 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0For your further reading comprehension, compare that statement to having a single acceptable outcome from a so-called “negotiation” written into your constitution.
@ 33 Lunatic / A_Voice
Mar 14th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Left foot BANG, right foot BANG!
Did you not read your own post?
Oh, I forgot, you are a Swede / Spanish / argie mongel.
Keep on with your facile comments.
34
Mar 14th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0How stupid are you....?
The UK Ambassador to the UN, Mark Lyall Grant, responded to statements about the Falklands during a UN Security Council Debate.
....“As far as we are concerned, sovereignty is not up for discussion. ”
What has been the stated preference of the Islanders on Sovereignty...?
So.....what is wrong with this statement.....
“London would rather sit at the negotiating table with Argentine opposition presidential hopefuls Sergio Massa or Mauricio Macri to discuss Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty.”
........“As far as we are concerned, sovereignty is not up for discussion. ”
I see Still Boring A_Voice has been unable to find proof of his NEVER claim.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0....“As far as we are concerned, sovereignty is not up for discussion. ”
I'm sorry the word NEVER must be subvocalised in your quote.
PS: Still Boring A_Voice, please provide a link to these supposed incidences where you made me “look like an idiot”. You are starting to resemble Nostril with his continual claims of always winning arguments (though he is never able to bal up those claims).
Looks like Marcos finally moved to Northern Europe with the rest of the socks.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Toby, I am pretty sure his mom let him play under the crop dusting planes, maybe he still does.
Under fertilization, no crop rotation and over using pesticides. They say there's less than a decade left of good soil.
No beef
No Crops
No innovation
No Mfg
What's left for the poor Rgs?
39
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....“As far as we are concerned, sovereignty is not up for discussion. ”....means what?
or .....''We will never negotiate on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless you, the Falkland Islanders, so wish. ”
What is the wish of the Islanders.......?
Have the Islanders recently decided they would like to discuss sovereignty...?
If they haven't, what is wrong with this statement....
“London would rather sit at the negotiating table with Argentine opposition presidential hopefuls Sergio Massa or Mauricio Macri to discuss Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty.”
You know fine well that statement is a mistake....what is the purpose of it?...
Why is he suggesting that negotiations on Sovereignty are possible with a new Govt...?
I believe the Falkland islanders would welcome a constructive sovereignty discussion with a more realistic and sensible Argentine government.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be to explain the fundamental right of peoples to self-determination as enshrined in the UN Charter and backed by numerous UN resolutions.
Furthermore it would look at constructive ways by which the now more sensible and constructive Argentine government could dismantle its expensive, counter-productive and damaging (to both) propoganda machine and develop a mutually beneficial fisheries and hydrocarbons policy.
I am sure with a sensible and constructive Argentine government the UK would support the Islanders in these “sovereignty negotiations”.
Which both meets the quotation assigned to mr Swire and the long term very clear UK government policy.
Negotiating sovereignty whilst respecting the fundamental rights to self determination and the wishes of the islanders does not mean ceding sovereignty.
@43
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“sovereignty negotiations”
I'm glad you placed them under quotations.
I guess then Argentina could talk also about “mutually beneficial fisheries and hydrocarbons policy”.
In quotations of course.
(because the reality is, Argentina has no interest and no need to talk with you about it. Outside the region of EEZ that belong to the Falklands, the rest it's OUR EEZ.
No need to discuss any of our policies with you, because we have already clear sovereignty over those waters.
It would be like the UK discussing EEZ policy with Argentina.
You British / Falklanders will never get your hands on the waters beyond the Falklands waters, you covetous pricks.
42
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Islanders have made their point clear on their views of Sovereignty discussions...
Making Swire's statement irrelevant.....
”The Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly believes that the result of the forthcoming referendum will demonstrate definitively that Falkland Islanders do not so wish. Should the issue of sovereignty be raised at the meeting, it will not be discussed.
Members of the Legislative Assembly made it clear in their letter of 2012 to President Fernandez de Kirchner (details of which were made public on June 15, 2012), that the Falkland Islands Government is willing to meet with the Government of Argentina in order to make our views clear, and to discuss matters of mutual interest including fisheries and communication. Therefore, MLA Dick Sawle and MLA Jan Cheek will travel to London this weekend to be available to take part in this discussion.”
http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6464&source=3
Still boring A_Voice STILL unable to back up his claim.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and Nostrils no one wants Argentina's waters. Propaganda has rotted your brain.
Answer my question Skip....what is the purpose of the statement by Swire...?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Other than a potential betrayal of the wishes of the Islanders.....
Islanders view...No discussions on Sovereignty...
Swire's (UK) view...Possible discussions on Sovereignty....
43 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you covetous pricks.”
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!
Oh, Nostrills, you stupidity knows no bounds does it?????
The Falkland Islanders want NOTHING to do with argentina, so you can keep your “Water”..
As for being “covetous”...........................Pot, Kettle, Black.
46 AvoiceofThinkedover
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Answer my question Skip....what is the purpose of the statement by Swire...?
Other than a potential betrayal of the wishes of the Islanders..... ”
Ah, still sowing doubt and sedition, you sorry Troll.
Very clever of Mr. Swire to wobble vulture Cristina's perch a bit.
Lol !!
@2 And argie officials attempting to suborn Scottish and Welsh politicians was what? Yep, WE don't have short memories!
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 You've convinced me. Argieland is NOT a democracy.
@10 There's a lot of “wisdom” around. How about this? If our continents get screwed, we'll take yours. Just imagine the entire armed forces of the northern hemisphere, plus our southern allies, deciding to “take” South America. Just remember that on a previous occasion, when China and Russia were “pushed” , they fought on the same side as Canada, the U.S., most of Europe, Australia and New Zealand. And South Africa.
@30 No, they can't have anything.
@46 Try this. “We would rather sit down and discuss the state of Europe with Hitler rather than Mussolini”. Get it? I'll translate. “IF we HAD to discuss something, WE would rather do it with the organ grinder than the monkey”. It must be difficult for you as you have so many monkeys and no organ grinders. Let's try another translation. “We'd prefer to sit down with Macri or Massi to explain why argieland can't have the Falklands, or South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands, but also to explain how it would be in their interests to trade rather seek possession”.
48. That was quite a slap in the puss for CFK. Basically he said your too stupid or crazy to speak with rationally well wait for the next govt. Nothing will change by then.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the same thing investors are doing. The oils not going anywhere we can wait. Don't call us well call you.
They're screwed.
This is hilarious. So much reading between the lines. So desperate are the fascists to get the validation they feel born to but will never get since it all has to go through the Islanders and they have made their views crystal clear. I'm pretty sure that everyone in the southern clone would rather dal with Massa or Marci on ANYTHING than the current demented clown posse. Of course CFK is desperate to make sure that so many bridges are burned before she retires that her successor will not be able to match her uh... victories.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, WHAT WE CALL SEPOYS?.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's well known that the u. k. has always been very smart in searching it's allies in south america, especialy in a country like this one, which is full of sepoys. You know that i am not saying nothing new, in fact, you can see some of them posting their commens here everyday, defending their so loved ex empire.
The u. k. knows perfectly that macri and massa are the candidats of economic power, in fact, macri has always sided foreign enterprices, every time that kirchnerism had the politic will of recovering the recources that we had lost during the years of neoliberalism, which shows his ideological posture. On the other hand, it's well known also how these two cretins tried to make lobby against c. f. k's government, before representants from u.s. a's embassy. Macri asked representants of that country, to be more critic of c. f. k's administration, and massa criticised hardly nestor kirchner in a dinner that he had with the ambassador from u. s. .a. Search this information in Argenleaks, by santiago o'donnell. The book is a compilation of all the wikileaks that refer to arg. The fact that they are detractors of kirchnerism, doesn't mean that they have to make such a dirty game, in order to prejudice a government that they don't like, although they don't like it, c. f. k. is their president too.
For all these reasons, it's understandable whether the u.k. thinks that massa and macri would have a more realistic and mature posture, because for the ex empire, a more realistic posture, is no more than argentina's renounce to it's claim for the sovereignty.
The results of fine deplomacy, will take many years, and only time will say what part will be victorious. However, this is evident that for the representants from the u. k., arg.'s actions aren't as useless, as they often say in puiblic.
52 Axle Aarrrghhh
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's well known that the u. k. has always been very smart in searching it's allies in south america, especialy in a country like this one, which is full of sepoys. You know that i am not saying nothing new, in fact, you can see some of them posting their commens here everyday, defending their so loved ex empire.”
Axel,
You have unwittingly demonstrated here, that you are NOT a Democratic Free Society.
In a Democracy, it is not a crime or unpatriotic to question or criticise your own government. In fact, if you see poor performance, misdeeds, or corruption, it is your DUTY as a citizen, to speak out about it.
In your country, you demonise the Opposition and vocal citizens like “Simon68”, as traitors, enemies of Argentina, or in this case, “SEPOYS”, agents of a hostile foreign power.
Good luck - YOU and Argentines like you, are your country's own worst enemies.
Meanwhile, you help vulture Cristina get rich.
Idiota
:-D
The Argentine State media (Telam) at the militant service of Cristina was cheeky...
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They went along to Uruguay to interview Swire and ask him who would they rather talk too. Swire by answering as he did has being a useful tool for the Ks by providing the actual names they want in power for the next gov't, as they are likely going to use this against Massa and Macri.
Anybody having a more dialougist attitude with the UK about the islands issue will be branded a traitor or as a sepoy... If you dont believe me ask Axel yourselves at no 52.
Anyway no big deal this is just daily politics its not even mentioned in the main news sites
TROY TOMPEST. CABEZA DURA2.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You both are mixing tow different issues. Anybody has right to be detractor of any government, it's something absolutly respectable. However, the fact that some social sectors are detractors of any government, doesn't mean that they have to side the adversaries in a conflict. There is word for it, and it is sepoy, although some hypocrites here don't accept it.
On the other hand, although i agree on many of the measures taken by kirchnerism, i have also very hard critics to c. f. k's government, because i am not an idiot, although many people here think the contrary, i see also serious falencies in her administration, in fact, i have always criticised her lack of politic will in order to discuss the right to free abortion, with the purpose of avoiding the death of many poor women, who are victims of illegal practices. Beside, i have always criticised also the lack of a good policy for rail ways, only after the once tragedy, her government decided to renew all metropolitan rail ways.
Ohh you are an abortist...And you want us to pay for it too. You just get better and better. Yet another case of lack of responsability that has to be coverd by the State..
Mar 14th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You confuse a simple “off the record” comment of Cristinas own interior ministry in the US Embassy that occcur every day and in all the gov't around the world with actual treason. In the real world it happens in governments, business and employees, sport clubs like “Boca-baret” and even families. “Internas” is what we call them in this country. You are so brainwashed and devauted to Nestor and Cristina to notice the difference.
CABEZA DURA.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the book, and get your conclusions, instead of underestimating me as you often do. On the other hand, it's not new the fact that macri has always sided foreign enterprices, every time that kirchnerism had the politic will of recovering the recources that we had lost during the years of neoliberalism.
On the other hand, if you weren't so backward, you would realize that not all women get pregnant just because they forgat using a condon, many of them are violated, even by their relatives, although there is a legal protocole for cases of violations, it's also true that not all women denounce a violation which happened inside their families, the question is much more complicated than what many people think.
axel
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would I pay and read the book of a militant KK journalist of Pagina 12 who cant tell the difference between a off the record comment and treason??
The only O'Donnell I respect and I have promissed myself of reading “El Aparato” of the clann is Maria O'Donnell who is a serious and a professional career independent journalist.
The women you talk about that get pregnant under violations are a small minority, why should people pay for the vast majority of abortions which come from concensual but un-responsable sex??
Axle Aarrghhh
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Abortion Rights issue is minor compared to your skyrocketing inflation, nosediving economy, unemployment, overwhelmed infrastructure and systemic corruption of CFK and her cronies.
You are using it to DISTRACT from anything important.
CFK gave a 3 hour speech recently which failed to mention the crippling inflation and economic crisis, but still found time to pledge her ongoing efforts to capture the “Malvinas”.
You ignore the critical issues in the same way, Kirchnerist.
We don't “underestimate” you at all, “Idiota”
Mr Swire and the UK government should stop handing out our taxpayers money to the Argies for a start !!
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the UK official said MP Massa and Mayor of the City of Buenos Aires Macri are “presidential contenders” who “will have a more realistic and mature approach over the Falklands question.”...
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well seems that the discussion about sovereignty rights over the Islands and the return to Argentina is just a matter of ideology rather than SD stuff.
I guess Ukistan is preparing the terrain for future negotiation of the return of the Islands after they have found that not commercial oil is available there.
61. Dany, Blue is 11/1. I thought nobody wanted it? Isn't that what you claimed last week?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boob
@YankeeBobo
Mar 14th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dollar Blue $10.60 while idiots bought it at 13.60 they still are registering losses for 30% of their capital counting fees paid to “The Cuevitas”
And don’t start with your hilarious stupidity that takes the value of the dollar since 2011 because even with a kiosk you would earn more than 500% in a year than with the dollar.
#61
Mar 14th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly Dany...You guess. For you, that passes as informed comment.
What it means in UK diplomatic speak is “they realise that they have eff- all chance of getting the islands and will move on with Argentina's more pressing problems.”
You're no closer to getting your thieving mitts on the islands than you have been for decades. So keep amusing us with your words of wisdom
This is how ULTRA Kirchnerist media treats the Argentine opposition after Telam interview of Swire
Mar 14th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6jRYYF0tFM&list=PLhD9DSM3Hslg7HmEwbjX1UzNTFpWEnKXV
You dont even need to understand Argentine spanish to get the picture...
@CabezaDura2
Mar 15th, 2014 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The opposition don’t need to be bad treated...
They are so bad that with their own words kill themselves.
And I don’t understand why you are so horrify when Clarin Miente, La nata and La Destrucción do the same.
I like the part where Carlos Heller (a banker) tells to Carlos Melconian (famous bomb thrower economist and lobbyist from Menen era)...
Carlos Heller: “You said that you will not accept the use of the term **Vulture funds** to these gentlemen (Singer and co) who have bought in good faith Argentine bonds...”
Carlos Melconian replies: “That is a lie from TELAM, from TELAM”
2 second later the video shows a radio interview where Melconian says...
“I oppose to call this Vulture funds (Singer & co) because they are just good guys that in good faith bought Argentine debt to save...”
Still boring A_Voice STILL unable to back up his claim.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Answer my question Skip....what is the purpose of the statement by Swire...?
Other than a potential betrayal of the wishes of the Islanders.....
Islanders view...No discussions on Sovereignty...
Swire's (UK) view...Possible discussions on Sovereignty....“
Always so demanding when wrong-footed.
Well first off, Swire didn't mention the word sovereignty. Telam has quoted him as saying:
”contendientes presidenciales que tendrán un acercamiento más realista y maduro a la cuestión de las Falklands”. I don't see the word 'soberanía'.
The UK has always stated it is willing to talk to Argentina regarding the Falklands. There are conditions on such discussions. However they have never said they would never discuss the Falkland Islands.
As you now know after futilely searching for proof to your initial falsehood.
That is rubbish media paid by the gov't that is dedicated to spin and over edit the independent media and oposition to dirty and cover people with shit... Thank god that not even their own families watch 678 and Duro de Domar.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ignore that in the second radio interview he actually says the same thing again that there was millions of bondholders that bought Argentine bonds out of good faith as to invest their savings in .... and that is what he refuses to call “vulture funds”
@45
Mar 15th, 2014 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then why the fark the UK barks at every turn that they want to discuss fisheries with us?
Why would be discuss that with the UK if we already have full control over our waters?
Duh. The only logical conclusion is the UK wants to hamstring Argentina into agreements in which it cannot do as it pleases within our EEZ.
The UK may get away with that in the rest of the world, but dream on if you think Argentina will give away its sovereignty like that.
@69
Mar 15th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is as ever a perfectly logical position, just so long as Argentine fish and Falklands fish remember to stay on their own side of the maritime border.
@69
Mar 15th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Duh. The only logical conclusion is the UK wants to hamstring Argentina into agreements in which it cannot do as it pleases within our EEZ.”
The Uk isn''t interested in your EEZ, you'll destroy that with no help from anyone else.
The Falklands want a responsibly run EEZ -but there could be benefits to Argentina if there was an agreement.
But of course Argentina's ambition has always been to self-destruct, so perhaps we shouldn't stand in your way, while the Islanders continue to progress nicely.
What that bloody rubbish english arse is doing SA if things are so bad?.....
Mar 15th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! waiting for a new argentine president...to seek permission to use argentine ports?...
Come on...
Argentina is anti-british forever!
72 Brasiliera/Sussie
Mar 15th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What that bloody rubbish english arse is doing SA if things are so bad?..... ”
Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, are good neighbours - they 'll make handsome profits from fishing, trade, oil services, and use of their airports and ports, while you go down the toilet.
Sorry, missed your chance after the K's tore up their lucrative agreements with the Falklands.
You stupid CFK lapdog and sycophant.
:-)
TROY TOMPEST.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refered to all the issues you mentioned, in many of my comments, in fact, i always talk about inflation, and i often make an ample lecture about the causes of it, which is very diferent from the typical too partial analysis that many of you make, where you usually blame on monetary emission only.
On the other hand, i am not a defender neather of c. f. k.'s moral integrity, nor of any other functionary's, actualy what i defend, are the achievements that we could get since 2003. If the president, or any other functionary committed corruption cases, they must be judged and sentenced.
Respecting unemployment, if you really cared to discuss about it, you would know that it was reduced in a signifficant number, you don't need to believe indec, just read any poll, where you'll see that people's main concerning isn't unemployment anymore, as it used to be for many years, before 2003. Nowadays, people's main concerning is insecurity. I don't ignore our problems, because i sometimes suffer them, however if you prefer believing that i'm an idiot, in order to invalid my opinions, it just shows the low level of debate that you have, perhaps, you aren't less backward than cabeza dura.
CABEZA DURA.
Which are your arguments to say that the number of women who get pregnant because of violations is insignifficant?, do you have any serious index?. Beside, in case the number was very reduced, it wouldn't be necesary to have such a high level of women who get pregnant because of violations, in order to approve the right to legal abortion, one dead woman because of illegal practices of it, is more than enough. This is evident that for a backward like you, the acces to health sistem is not a human right, it's just a matter of bussines, that's why you emphasize in the soposed reduced number of women who get pregnant in violations.
On the othe hand, if you read the book, you would see that it's not pro k.
72 sussie@usa
Mar 15th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sussie!!!! SUSSIE!! Git back in yar box!!!
Go on Git now, 'for I sik the garden hose on you guurrll!!!
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Mar 15th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 074
Mar 15th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im not saying that the number of women that get pregnant to violations is insignificant, retard.. I'm saying that the vast majority of non wished pregnancies come from concented sex.
Half a million abortions are done in the country...40% of the pregnancies in the country per year
Not only a abortion is killing a human being who has no wrong doing nor desicion in the matter, I think its unfair and disgusting that society becomes a part of murder and pays for it too. I only support abortion in the case of rape.
76 sussie@usa
Mar 15th, 2014 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“At least, she is not killing any islanders or british like a former argentine president did!”
Oh well, then we should all fall at her feet then shouldn't we?
demented sussie @ usa
always picks the wrong thing to say!!
“Stupida Isolde touching her toes dripping british thick semen.”
Mar 15th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you would know “british” semen is “thick” because..............??
74 Axle Aarrghhh
Mar 15th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AXLE
We know what an Idiota is, but what's a “TOMPEST ”? :-)
“Respecting unemployment, if you really cared to discuss about it, you would know that it was reduced in a signifficant number, you don't need to believe indec, just read any poll, where you'll see that people's main concerning isn't unemployment anymore, as it used to be for many years, before 2003.”
Try this:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/22/argentina-s-trade-surplus-down-40-in-july-unemployment-fell-to-7.2
“However a recent poll by Management & Fit showed that Argentines number three worry after inflation and crime is jobs, despite almost a decade of strong economic growth.”
Interesting site:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/22/argentina-s-trade-surplus-down-40-in-july-unemployment-fell-to-7.2
Some information is dated.
Unemployment low of 7.2% for 2012, but growing.
Youth unemployment, nearly 20% and growing,
“Underemployment should be noted”.
“Narcotics exportation, money- laundering, police corruption, are issues”
National debt. $115b, National Reserves $33b.
Voter concerns:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/22/argentina-s-trade-surplus-down-40-in-july-unemployment-fell-to-7.2
“Although the economy has grown at a steady clip of about 3% this year, public concerns have focused on high inflation, estimated to be two to three times higher than the official rate of 10%, and foreign exchange controls that have created a black market for dollars at twice the government's formal rate.”
CABEZA DURA.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read you comment 58 again, where you said that women who get pregnant in violations is a small minority.
Beyond whether the number is hight or small, this is evident that what a backward like you fails in seing, is that some violations happen inside their families, i already told you that although there is a protocole for violations cases, the point is that not all women who are raped inside or ourside their families denounce a violation, in fact, many of them are victims also of institutional violence, beside, sometimes they are bad treated even in hospitals. Many of those women who are victims of violations, sometimes recur to a clandestine practice of abortion, the difference among all those women, is that some of them survive.,and others die. The problem is much more complicated than what many people think.
TROY TOMPEST.
Read your own source again, you said that jobs is concerning number 3. Before 2003, people's main concerning had been unemployment, anyway, you omitted to date that in 2003, unemployment was 22%. I don't deny our problems, in fact you omitted to say also that we still have a 33% of people who work without any social safe, although the number was 50% in 2003, it's still too hight.
I dont understand why are you fussing around. The Supreme court already authorizes abortion and termination of pregnancy in cases of rape
Mar 16th, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.infobae.com/2012/03/14/1046218-argentina-la-corte-suprema-autorizo-el-aborto-los-casos-violacion
Here have a look at the numbers yourself, but I think its a waste of time because you still deny with numbers and facts on the table that Chile has overpassed Argentina in so many humand and social stats, that I think its really senceless to continue looking for the data and the links to a throughback as yourself
http://www.infobae.com/2012/03/14/1046218-argentina-la-corte-suprema-autorizo-el-aborto-los-casos-violacion
Other than that Abortion is murder and I can give you genetical and biological reasons as to why this is. Its a fact since the 1960s that life begins in its conception.
All teens nowdays are a bunch of sluts and whores, you should know this... They learn from Tinelli's and Rial's whores on tv and Cumbia villera and cuarteto, families values are non existant. All part of the cultural decadence of the “won decade”....What do you expect??
@76
Mar 16th, 2014 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“At least, she is not killing any islanders or british like a former argentine president did!”
True, and all credit to her-she is the best publicity present the Falkland Islanders have had -the nonsense she speaks helps the Islands no end.
81 Axle
Mar 16th, 2014 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Read your own source again, you said that jobs is concerning number 3. Before 2003, people's main concerning had been unemployment, anyway, you omitted to date that in 2003, unemployment was 22%. I don't deny our problems, in fact you omitted to say also that we still have a 33% of people who work without any social safe, although the number was 50% in 2003, it's still too hight.”
I never said, Unemployment was number 1, but you can see that it is still very important, though easily overshadowed by the decrease in purchasing power for food and staples that an inflation rate of 35% creates. His is not sustainable. Notice that your teachers' salary raise of 100% has NOT been granted yet. Will you have to strike like the police, or riot in the streets to get it?
Looking at the statistics, yes things improved noticeably, but you've mortgaged your future to do it. Now, it's time to pay.
However, your $$ reserves have dwindled from the Golden Years of 2008-2010, your infrastructure, neglected, bonds are paid by printing money - that equals massive inflation, which means Hardship and Crime, number 2 on the list.
Apart from the Corruption of your principal government figures, their Populist ideology of buying off the poor, affects their competency to govern and run an economy.
Sorry Axle, your loyalty to CFK is grossly misguided, and you need to be intellectually honest with yourself.
Don't you think that when you are trying to devise arguments and strategies to 'outwit' us in your posts, that there is something fundamentally wrong with your philosophical, moral, and ideological model???
BTW, I think you're at an impasse with CD. Any further argument is wasted - attend to the “real” issues, unlike CFK.
He cant he is brainwashed...He applies all these symptoms and behaviors:
Mar 16th, 2014 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Emotional Connection
The follower has found the leader inspiring for some reason. Perhaps the follower loves the leader at some level. This love blinds the follower to the leader’s flaws once they manifest.
Dependency
The follower, because of her or his adoration for the leader, builds her/his life around the leader. Given the follower’s emotional, and at times financial, investment, it is actually psychologically easier for the follower to deny the accuracy of clear evidence that reveals the leader’s flaws than it is to accept reality.
Suspension of Critical Thinking
This dependency ultimately leads to a near total suspension of the follower’s ability to analyze objectively and critically the leader’s pronouncements. Anything the leader says—even if it is contradicted by verifiable data—must be true. And instructions must be obeyed. To do otherwise would betray the leader—with whom the follower has now completely identified.
Dismissal of Dissenters
Just as everything said by the cult leader is accepted as “gospel,” those who do raise questions or objections are dismissed peremptorily. Because these concerns often have merit, the typical approach is to avoid dealing with such concerns on their merits, and instead to attack the character or motives of the person presenting concerns. The dissenter is labeled disrespectful, a “troublemaker,” a liar, someone out for her/his own power, or someone in the pay of some outside interest.
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/religious_and_secular_cults_leaders_and_followers/
CD
Mar 16th, 2014 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you're right, all those things are present.
We dissenters are all “mediocre” in Axels eyes.
CABEZA DURA. TROY TOMPEST.
Mar 16th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is evident that you both are equal of backwards. Anyway, in my defence, i can only say that if i were as brainwashed as cabeza accuses me all the time, i would never make any critic to c. f. k's government, however, in my comment 74, you can find some of the critics i have for her administration, in fact, if we are discussing about the right to a legal abortion, which is something that she has never had the politic will to discuss it at the congrees, is because beyond the usuall underestimation that you make of me, i have much more intellectual honesty than you both. Maybe you are projecting on me, what actualy you both are.
I know what our supreme court said in relation to the acces to abortion in cases of violations, however, if i say that it's necesary to aprove a law that let women to have right to a legal abortion, is because not all women who are raped, some of them including inside their families, denounce that horrible fact, because it's not easy to denounce a member of the family, that's why they recur to illegal practices, and some of them die. Anyway, after reading cabeza's reactionary opinion, which doesn't sorprise me in absolut, i realized it's a waste of time to keep on discussing about such a complicated issue like this one, with a backward like him.
On the other hand, this is evident that cabeza hasn't understood yet that i don't invalid chile's achievements, i just don't buy the myth that everything is better there, in fact, the issue is too relative, and i explained it in many comments.
Respecting unemployment, i just can recommend troy to read my comment 74, where i refer to the issues he mentioned in his comment, in fact, i usually refer to those problems in most my lectures. Anyway, i don't ignore what he said in his comment, i just say that despite all the serious problems that we still have, unemployment isn't people's main concerning anymore, as it used to be for many years before 2003.
Troy
Mar 16th, 2014 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been wondering what the hell a TOMPEST is as well.
87
Mar 16th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not a critic of CFK, you are a retarded brainwaseed fool axel... By simply saying
“On the other hand, i am not a defender neather of c. f. k.'s moral integrity, nor of any other functionary's, actualy what i defend, are the achievements that we could get since 2003. If the president, or any other functionary committed corruption cases, they must be judged and sentenced.”
What you are actually saying there is “ I wash my hands on whatever corruption the gov't may have inquired in” Who is not going to be against criminals in the state being judged and sentenced??... All the other things you justiffy by saying always there was “25 years of Neoliberalism” and dont get solved with 12 years”
In those last 12 years in which 900 bn USD came into the Argentine State, and 75% of the debt was defaulted....And yet the size of the slums doubled ( that cant be lied by INDEC) 6 % of Argentines live in slums, 6% of ni nis, organized crime has doubled, the infrastructure is collapsing, the healthcare is failling, education is failling, the country is defenceless, the reserves of the BCRA have being depleeted, massive corruption. And only convicted so far of all the cporruption of the “decada robada” was Felisa Miceli...A virtual nobody compared to Lazaro Baez, Cristobal Lopez, Ezkenazi, Eurnekian, De Vido, Jaime, Boudou, Recalde, Rudy Ulloa, Milani, Puricelli, Vila-Manzano, Kirchner N&C, and the list is endless
Ohh there was no hyperinflation in december 2001 nor in 2002 !!!
FFS you stupid moron you even say that Duro de Domar and 678 have made “solid critics” to the govt of CFK ... Are you kidding me ??
Do you understand why you are brainwashed throughback?? Does anybody still wonder why Argentina has being going down the drain for more than half a century with teachers like Axel??
Axle
Mar 17th, 2014 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You choose to go into great detail about abortion in your latest post, making it the main issue.
Just like CFK.
Her country is in economic crisis, yet she gives a 3 hour speech where she neglects to mention the
THREE ISSUES THAT CONCERN VOTERS THE MOST
1) 35% INFLATION
2)CRIME & Lawlessness
3) UnEMPLOYMENT
However, she finds time to wind up the crowd with a trademark “Malvinas Rant ”.
Axel, you are intellectually dishonest - a lapdog, K sycophant, and liar.
Under the administration of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, Argentina has embarked on path of economic self-destruction while becoming an increasingly important hub for drug trafficking and money laundering, as noted recently by the U.S. State Department.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Senior government officials as well as leaders of the influential Catholic Church have recently lamented that much of the criminal activity seems to occur with the complicity of government.
Over the past year, the International Assessment and Strategy Center has published three reports documenting these trends. The reports show:
• The broadening corruption scandals at the highest levels of government.
• The enormous rise of the president’s personal wealth since she became president.
• Government attempts to muzzle the independent media.
• Government meddling in the judiciary — including the firing of an aggressive prosecutor investigating millions of dollars in suspicious and lucrative deals between the first family and one of its main business associates.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/16/3998925/argentina-tangos-toward-collapse.html#storylink=cpy
@ 91
Mar 17th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same in the USA.
Since the Bush administration corruption has not stop.
Bush bankrupted the USA with an unnecesary invasion that cost millons of dollars borrowed from China.
The USA have to live with the political reality of both Iraq and Afghanistan invasions that ruined the usa economy and left the invaded countries in shambles: no water, no electricity, no transporation, no food, no schools, no toilete tissue or soap.
All states, cities and counties facing budget deficits, the long term unemployed is not receiving their benefits since 12/27/2013....
The unpaid 17 trillon dollars keeps increasing: tic tic tic....
Salvese quien pueda!......
CABEZA DURA.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can only recommend you to sit down, relax, and drink some tilo tea for 5 minutes, and then read my comment 87 again, where i was very clear, respecting what i think about corruption, and about what i defend of the last ten years. I don't wash my hands, it's just that i am not nobody's lawyer, i only defend achievements, no matter whether they were got during c. f. k's government, nestor's, menem's, alfonsin's, or in any other democratic government, beyond whether i voted them or not. Anyway, i don't deny that i partialy agree on kirchnerism in ideological terms, but if somebody committed delits, i won't be there to defend what is unjustifiable.
I have never thought that kirchnerism was neather revolutionary nor perfect, i just think that according to my ideolgy, many of the measures taken by it, were very good for the country.
On the other hand, it's understandable whether you think that kirchnerism is something similar to a horror, making the usuall too partial lectures, characteristic of reactionary people like you, who try to invalid the opinions of those people who don't think like you. However, what really matters, beyond your lack of intellectual honesty, is that objetive facts that i have always described in my comments, will always prevaill over any partial lecture.
Beyond the underestimation that people like you make about me, i will always keep on talking about the serious problems that we still have, the falencies of c. f. k's government, and the achievements that we could got in this decade.
TROY TOMPEST.
Read what i wrote for cabeza dura.
You are partialy right, respecting the fact that she didn't refer to insecurity, but it's not true that she didn't refer to the consecuences of inflation, and to our economic challenges, perhaps, the problem is that she didn't make the lecture that many of you expected. Listen to her statement, and get your conclusions.
Is well known that Macri and Massa are suffering mental illness: depression, stay away from these two...they are crazy!
Mar 17th, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy Swire 'Suarez' wants the argentine posts.
No UK airlines companies want to invest in air cargo business in such slum islands just to sell their ___ fish and wool__products..
#94
Mar 17th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy Swire 'Suarez' wants the argentine posts.
Explain why a British minister would want a post in the Argentine government.
93 Axle Aaarrghhh
Mar 17th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are partialy right, respecting the fact that she didn't refer to insecurity, but it's not true that she didn't refer to the consecuences of inflation, and to our economic challenges, perhaps, the problem is that she didn't make the lecture that many of you expected. Listen to her statement, and get your conclusions.”
Axle,
At a time of Economic crisis and social upheaval, desperation, and increasing crime, your leader CFK, ignores lawlessness and corruption, and puts more emphasis into her campaign against the Malvinas, than constructive solutions to 35% annual inflation, depleted $$ reserves, and other pressing issues that affect the daily lives of your people.
We have drawn our conclusions.
Sussie-boy@94
“Is well known that Macri and Massa are suffering mental illness: depression, stay away from these two...they are crazy!”
“Sussie”
You would know about mental illness and depression...
:-D
92 sussie@usa
Mar 17th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me Sussie.... do your lobotomy scars still show or did they make the stitches small so you can only tell when you get up close ( shudder ).
That post The surgeon general had better review his weekend release program for mental health patients..........Y'know what I'm saying?
@97
Mar 17th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really?
The usa have the largest anglo mentally ill people.
California had to sue Nevada for transporting the crazy ones in a bus and dumping thousand of mentall ill usa citizens in Los Angeles streets.
Nevada don't have the funds to treat the mentally ill.
This abusive treatment against the usa mentally ill people is found in most of all the usa newspaper, internet, etc.
Arizona Governor Jan Brewer have a 45 yrs. old son living in the Arizona State Hospital because her $95,000.00 usa salary is not enough for her to take responsability of her own son.
Her son was release from the state hopital once and Gov. Jan Brewer refused to pick him up. As soon he was release to the streets he started knocking doors until a woman open her home door and he sexually assaulted her.
Arizona taxpayers paid one of the highest law suit cost filed by the victim whom suffered a collapse lung and needs oxigen for the rest of her life and is in a wheelchair.
No money to take care of the crazy usa citizens all around the country...Y'know what I'm saying?
Jeez this guy is so retarded and brainwashed...
Mar 18th, 2014 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its always the same.... Even if you prove that Argentina in the year 2000 was at the 30 something ranking in the PISA tests and now after 12 years of Kirchnerism its moved 20 places behind and other countries have left it behind he still blames the so called 25 years of neoliberalism and the 2001 crisis...Unbelievable
No te sabes otra bolilla estupido ??? Siempre el mismo cassette?? Aunque sea gitarreame otra gilada, loco no podes tan PELOTUDO Y CEREBRO QUEMADO !!!!!!! Me canse de cerrarte el orto en todos lados y no te das cuenta todavia....
Fock what a retard
92, 94, 98, Sussie
Mar 19th, 2014 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are OFF-TOPIC, Sussie,
for expounding on your expertise of
1) the US economy
2) mental illness, as compelling as your first-hand experience must be
3) and, arses - your consistent favourite.
Interesting that your English Language skills have improved from your usual crack -infused, homeless-man, ESL gibbering...
@ 100
Mar 19th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU are thick as a bull's WALT!
101
Mar 20th, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0is that like an “arse biscuit” ??
You really are an expert in vulgarity, aren't you ?
What a thing to be known for...
Cretin :-D
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