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Argentina's grain shipping blocked by vessel grounded in the Paraná
Argentina's river Paraná is blocked since early March when a Cypriot flagged vessel broke down with a 45.000 tons cargo of soybeans, thus holding back access of another eighty vessels waiting to load in Rosario and other ports in the heartland of the grains and oilseeds country. Read full article
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Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha!!!!
Mar 21st, 2014 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't there a report on this web site a few months ago about the loss of revenue to a port in Uruguay because of the argentines refusal to up hold their part of the bargin and dredge their part of the channel??
oh the joy unbounded!!!!
See this here? You see it?? This is what “Karma” looks like!!
Suck it up Rosario, suck it up argentina!!!
Sounds like a good project for Daniel Filmus to get into; he's got nothing worthwhile on at the moment.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the problem when you have only 1 way to do things, 1 road N/S and 1 E/W, one channel dredged, train tracks fell apart 50 yrs ago, trucks need diesel..
Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0whaa whaa
My guess is they're going to tamp down even more imports this month as the BCRA reserves run out.
I wonder when they'll start to invade farms and confiscate unsold grains FOR THE PEOPLE.
Not too long now.
Cristina should help out........she's probably used to dealing with passages being blocked up by different seamen.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do hope argieland has to beg Uruguay to allow its ports to be used! And quadruple the port charges for argies!
Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if Axel was one of the teachers throwing stones and beating up K officials over the 30% raise?
Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like they'll have to settle for more.
Too bad most of the Provinces are bankrupt
and BCRA is trying to “ONLY” print 25% more money this year
I bet it ends up being more like 60%
Just a guess tho
bahahahhaa
5 La Patria
Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!!!! - Pass the mind bleach please.
@2
Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Karma is when “people” here celebrated the deaths of argentines in a train crash over a year ago, and then within three months there were no less than FIVE DEADLY TRAIN CRASHES in Europe and the United States.
Karma is when people here jubilated over the deaths of 50 argentines due to flooding in La Plata a year ago, and then those same people suffer the WORST winter ever, or some of their worst flooding in history, or some of their worst bush fires ever.
Karma is when you make fun of a bush crash and then a week later it happens in your biggest city (with deaths!)
ha, ha, ha.
Karma is when one who is inordinately infatuated with polysyllabic obfuscation types “bush crash”.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's now illegal to sell bread for more than $18/kilo in Argentina.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next step No bread or blackmarket bread
Silly silly people
Why don't they ever learn?
Cat food para todos
@10
Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You remind me of the starving peasant who had a friend who was also a starving peasant, both made 100 a month, but the latter went to school and made something and now earns 1000 times more than he does.
So one day the rich one makes a “small” investing mistake and looses 10.000, and the poor one says “hahaha, see I NEVER HAVE LOST 10.000, you shouldn't have stayed here with me!”
LOL, typical small thinking.
Sure I am making more mistakes in English recently, but that's because a) I have not reviewed English in 6 months, nor have I gone over my 100 pages of vocabulary (5.000 words); and b) my usage of English in writing and speaking is down by 50%.
I can now write fluently four other languages, and you are still stuck in your one Condorito, another monolingual tragedy in the making.
So you make fun of my silly English mistakes, yet in the last six months I have gained more than you will in two lifetimes of languages!
Beware, schadenfreude angers the water gods and brings about huge unprecedented flooding.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a God and I will FLOOD the USA, in about a month... hahaha. Wait till the record snow melts and I send the crazy spring rains on top of it...
Leaves forum head held high.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that went well, no need to come back here.
@12 Toby
Mar 21st, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was joke, don't get all rattled.
By the way, I think the poor peasant should have replied “you SHOULD have stayed here with me!” it doesn't quite work with ”you shouldn't have stayed here with me!” “
Toby, I am far from monolingual ... I just hide my light under a ”busel”. ;)
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Mar 21st, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, why are you so insecure?
@17 Exactly. He is so insecure he cannot take a joke or a little banter.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT, if someone has to tell other people they are powerful or intelligent they are not.
Not insecure, intolerant. Different.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not permit jokes or criticism about Argentina or myself from FOREIGNERS. If you are argie, go right ahead bash me and Argentina away.
Look how Paulcedron completely hates his own country, and tears it to shreads here in front of all foreigners. Have I once said anything to him abou it?
No. He has the right from birth, the rest of you don't just because you are not argentine.
Just like I don't discuss internal affairs with foreigners, and I have always said that.
If you are a foreigner, you do not have the same rights as I do.
Maybe the reina de botox should spend some of the money she made from her hotels in Calafate and put it towards some dredging. Either that or they could convert the Fragata La Libertad into a dredge. At least they can use it then. Argentina is amazing. You couldnt make this stuff up if you tried.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correction, I meant to say Cabezadura2, not Paulcedron.
@19 Toby
Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I do not permit jokes or criticism about Argentina or myself from FOREIGNERS. ”
Well you are doing about as good a job of that as the pilot of the MV Paraskevi did of navegating the Paraná.
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Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to get your head back into your 5000 word English vocab list, you seem to have confused “FOREIGNERS” with “ARGENTINIANS”.
I think you should. Here a microscopic sample of what my list looks like:
Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0scaramouche - character in Italian commedia dell'arte that burlesques the Spanish don, cowardly and buffoon; such a person
palisade - a line of lofty, steep cliffs sp. along a river; a fence made of stakes with tipped points
maquette - a usually small preliminary model of a larger structure
georgic - of or relating to agriculture; a poem about agriculture
de minimis - so minor as to merit disregard, lacking significance or force
marplot - officious meddler who frustrates or ruins a plan or undertaking by interference
ramose - having many branches
to belaud - to praise greatly
sansculotte - a radical or violent extremist in politics; radical republican in France during the French Revolution
to inspissate - to thicken sp. by removing liquid (dehydration)
orthodontics - branch of dentistry dealing with irregularities of the teeth
animalcule - a minute usually microscopic organism
Circe - a woman who attracts men usually to their bane (turning men into swine)
to animadvert - to make an animadversion
magnum opus - a great work especially the masterpiece of an artist or writer
magnate - a person of rank, power, or distinction in a specified area, mogul/tycoon/baron
(to) neap - tide of minimum range occurring at 1st/3rd quarters of moon; to trap a ship in water too shallow due to neap tides
screed - a lengthy discourse; informal usually ranting piece of writing
moiling - requiring hard work especially drudgery or toil
I know all these words... do you????
@25
Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When one is in such a vacuity I suggest you put down your manuo-pedal excavationary implement and cease excavating.
PS: add “foreigner” and “bush” to your list.
' ... All week long three heavy tugs have been working to try and dislodge the Panamax MV Paraskevi, which is stranded at kilometer 407 of the mighty Paraná river ...'
Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It reminds me of one of the most 'telling' facets of the Brasilian condition ... on a road trip to Chapada Diamantina I passes a roadside sign:
“Pray for the people of BR242, Km. 293.5”
- one of thousands of roadside settlements of the poor; communities with no name.
Titti boi:
Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A woman, a man, and Capitanich are in a room. The man lowers his pants and shows his butt: “This is like the Amazon: impenetrable,” he says.
The woman shows her breasts and says: “These are like the United States: untouchable.”
Finally, ex-president Capitanich shows his penis and says: “This is like Argentina: it never gets up.”
I have heard of places where they suck bulk cargo out of stranded vessels into another ship or into barges. It takes 1-3 days, depending.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With app 60% of the cargo out the stranded vessel is suddenly afloat.
I wonder about the legal side of this, the very obvious difference aside, when driving it is the drivers responsibility to avoid potholes, his/her free choice to follow a road, his/her responsibility to have a safe vehicle.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given this is a commercial venture and its one company holding up the perishable goods of other companies how will this work out. I'd expect in the case of a truck blocking access to a food products factory due to breakdown (or even poor roads) that the court would rule the operator irresponsible and liable.
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Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If humidity gets to the soy over 15% then it will rott away pretty fast. I dont know what kind of conservation the beans get in the cargo-ships.
@30
Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Local pilots are usually provided for navigation in port areas by the port authority. So it may be that legally the port authority is responsible.
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Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby I dont hate my country, im just absolutely disappointed, fed up and frustrated with the shitty people and the thieves and incompetents that are running the country.
There is a lot of good meaning folk but just dont get it.
The article made mention that, “it might not be the channel, but the ship's motors failed”.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe that has to do with determining future culpability for this event.
If, the “motors” caused the problem, maybe;
1) Argentina doesn't look bad.
2) Somebody has to compensate Argentina (in dollars).
It wasnt the engine... The ship got stuck in shallow waters. Well they have now managed to remove it. Now responsabilities have to be seing too
Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35
Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, the gentleman Wade said,
“It was not a problem of draft in the river. We believe there was some kind of engine blackout or problems when maneuvering” added Wade.
The next words out of his mouth seem to be about the ”dear” costs of this event.
It seems he is positioning his agency to be not culpable for this mishap. It is a somewhat international event, and soy is important to Argentina.
If it is dredging problems, that would make Argentina look bad in the neighborhood. They won't allow shallow water to be the public explanation of this mishap.
If, it was the motors, the dredging and the Port Authority captain might both be considered not responsible. That would be a useful spin on the event.
But I give your insight plenty more weight than my own. What do you think?
MP won't post any more articles on this, but I'd really like to know if soon some group isn't saying another has to pay up.
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Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Wade is just doing his job and defending the port authority but fresh news of La Nación is pretty clear that the problem was the shallow waters.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1674198-lograron-rescatar-al-buque-varado-en-el-parana-que-impedia-exportar-soja
Could they roll it over like your destroyer?
Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No,.. ARA Santisima Trinidad was made into a submarine. I hope that now they are a submarine they dont make the same than HMS Astute in Scotland though.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/navys-nuclear-super-stealth-submarine-stuck-1073529
The saddest thing about Toby and I think the reason he is so angry, he is learning 4 foreign languages of people he hates, thereby hating himself.
Mar 21st, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Language he will never be able to speak fluently, never see the places they are used everyday, in places that are much nicer than he could ever dream.
It is self defeating and very sad.
also
Cuckoo cuckoo
19 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
Mar 21st, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I do not permit jokes or criticism about Argentina or myself from FOREIGNERS. ”
Tee, hee, hee tobi!!!
With you around, we don't have to make jokes or criticisms about agentina. You do all the work for us!!!
We don't have to point out it's shortcomings when we have you as the perfect example of a product of argentine culture!!!
Well done tobi, I'm sure you make KFC very proud.
41 Too Old
Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0G'day old mate. Poor old Tobers eh; FFS! He's good for a laugh though.
I hear you're about to have the driest March on record after the last two months being the wettest. Talk about one extreme to the other.
Take care my friend and have a good weekend with Mrs Too Old. I won't be getting a chance to work on my retaining wall and paths this weekend; too much work at work to do.
42 Joe Bloggs
Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joe, always good to hear from you!
I couldn't resist it, Tobi is such an easy target I know, but he does just set himself up!!
March?? Dry yes!! Windy? very!!! Mind you, cycling down the Colwick loop road into that head wind....... well, it does keep you fit.
This weekend Mrs Too old and I have to ourselves as Offspring No1 has got himself a Saturday job and Offspring No2 is off to a sleep over at her friends house.
For some reason ( and I haven't worked it out yet ) she has to be there at just after 1:30pm..... Hmmm I'm not down with the kids anymore, this is the funniest “sleep over” I have ever heard of!! Still, it will be her friends house that gets wreaked when they all drink too much Pepsi and run around like monsters, so I suppose we are lucky.
You have a good one Joe my friend. Stay safe and pass on our regards to your family... and take a day off will you, relax and give the old green fingers a rest.
No matter how much work you do, there always seems to be a bit more when you come in the next day.
43
Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dreaded sleepovers. I remember years ago when one of ours was young (I forget which one now). They just stayed up hour after hour and, after loads of warnings to go to sleep, at 3am I cracked and marched into their room and gave them an almighty earful. We were living in the UK at the time. The next day I was wrecked despite not a single drink passing my lips. Always had a rule to stay completely dry during sleepovers.
Anyway, have a good weekend mate and regards to all the family also.
@26
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's fine. I'll review “bush” and “foreigner”.
The rest of you have a much easier job than me, who has to review and learn 125 THOUSAND words (20.000 x 6 languages). You all only to need VERY hard in one word:
honesty
Interesting screwup. Panamax vessels will ALWAYS have a bonded pilot aboard as it is required by the ship's maritime insurer which generally is Lloyd's. The exception is when you have vessels of a foreign navy. (For example, American carriers use Chilean pilots for the Straights of Magellen, who are obviously not.)
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0In this case, the blame is the pilot's and whomever is issuing the bond.
#25Gosh Toby, I'm truly impressed by your linguistic abilities... A couple of comments however... I grew up in an English speaking home and attended a Chilean/British school. Later I studied at an American university. Many of the words/ terms you list are Latin, French, Italian as well as archaic English.
Condorito is a fellow Chilean I speculate he has a passable command of enology, a pathetic fluency in Spanish (as all Chileans as we speak something requiring every fifth word to be a conjugation of weon... His embarrassing attempt to express himself in English... ...well, let's just say that he probably only knows at best, no more than 5% of the Oxford English Dictionary... Sad isn't it?
So that places him with at least three partial languages, perhaps more...
Well, that's all fine and dandy so long he does not criticize me or Argentina. Foreigners are not allowed to do so, or if they do, they face the consequences.
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0As long as foreigners don't do that, they can do what they want. Just stay away from argies, and we're good.
47 the_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Well, that's all fine and dandy so long he does not criticize me or Argentina. ”
WOW, you have got this “Right to free speech” down haven't you tobi?
Is this what the “New order” looks like for argentina...?
Kind of modeled on all those “great” society's isn't it? You now the ones :- 1930 Germany, North Korea, Iran, Zimbabwe
Tell me Tobi, how does one prove their loyalty to one's La Campora masters?
Beat up a couple of homosexuals?
Throw a few Jews onto a bonfire?
What a lovely country...............
P.s:- you might want to check what babel fish translates for you BEFORE you post it:-
“You all only to need VERY hard in one word”
'cos sometimes it just spouts out rubbish.
#46 Personally, I find Condor one of the most erudite posters on Mercopress. He certainly knows his stuff about Chile and Argentina - and is willing to try it in English (Which is more than I dare do with Spanish!).
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They should pump water into the hold of this boat. In about a weeks time it will turn to TOFU and they can dump half it in the river and the boat will float away.
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Matt
45 Tobers
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0There you go again; insecure. You tell people how clever you are and nobody says “wow Toby, that's amazing” so you tell them more and more.
Classical insecurity.
“that he probably only knows at best, no more than 5% of the Oxford English Dictionary... Sad isn't it?”
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geoff: the OED has well over 600,000 words. I know less than one half of one percent. Condorito's command of English is superior to mine. I clearly suspect that he's a polyglot.
I do however stand behind the fact that we Chilenos do not speak Spanish. Neither do Argentinos. By the way, economics is a language that separates Chileans from our neighbors on the other side of the Andes...
Don Mateo, excellent solution...
“All week long three heavy tugs have been working to try and dislodge the Panamax MV Paraskevi, ”
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina's port ban has been extended to all ships not just Falkland Flagged vessels.
@19
“I do not permit jokes or criticism about Argentina or myself from FOREIGNERS”
Well ban this then sunshine-
What's the difference between a cream doughnut and an Argentine Mirage?
And you don't permit this either you egotistic lightweight-but you're TOO LATE -I'm already telling it!!
What have Mr Spock and Galteiri got in common ?
That's two jokes that you do not permit -but I've posted them so your 'no permit' is IMPOTENT-up yours!
@25
Very impressive-try this -
What have Scragg Paddock Point and Timerman got in common?
@39
Even though I bet you don't agree with my postings I like the way you can take a joke.
As the economy collapses so does their State Health Care; You have a better chance of dying than getting cured in an Rg hospital.
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and be careful of getting a disease just walking by
as raw sewage pours into the streets
http://www.urgente24.com/224971-un-hospital-donde-es-mas-probable-morir-que-curarse
Yankee boy
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I loved the article on the same link you posted:
La oferta de Cristina y Kicillof: “Muerte o dunga-dunga”
That sums up the plight of my neighbors on the other side of the Andes...
IN THE MEANTIME THEY'RE GETTING BUGGERED TO DEATH
If you look clearly at the photo do you not see that the engines are working, clearly it ran aground. Argies fault most certainly as they are responsible for the pilots. Probably will be blaming The FALKLANDS as it ran aground on the continental shelf. Ha,Ha
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#55
Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'shafted' is normally idiomatic; perhaps this is the real deal.
I am only surprised that they haven't blamed the CIA yet.....
Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0#47 titti boi.....I am not criticizing Argies........really and truly I am not. Why are Argies arrogant SOB's? And always crying the world owes me...the world did me wrong? Why is it that Argies do not accept responsibilities for their own actions and bad outcomes? And finally.....why is corruption so pervasive in Argentine politics and not politician ever goes to jail.
Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One last thought......why in the new penal code is CHILD PORNOGRAPHY no longer a criminal offense? Christina doing this as a favor to Maximo the fat fucking kirchner?
But honestly........not a criticism.
PS
You really should have dredged the channel.
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Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That's the problem when you have only 1 way to do things, 1 road N/S ”
1 road n/s?
and the uruguay river?
it is a system formed by 4 rivers to navigate n/s
if you dont know a thing about the matter, keep it shut
Toby really floats my boat (!) with his erudite clear-cut thinking and succinct points maken.
Mar 23rd, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...
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60. Silly boy it was a metaphor. You need a couple more English classes.
Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What ever. Here's your metaphor.
Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0.
Argentine Incompetence. The Sequel.
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Soy Economy. Stuck in the Mud. Delaying International Trade.
Useless Pilot at the Controls? (Economic) motor failing? Lots of paid yet unemployed wandering about the docks? Civil disobedience? Police on strike?
No hero yet?
Hhmmm....
who will rescue them ?
...... !!!!!!! ....... !!!!! ...... (cue dramatic music!)
Did yankeeboy write the script for this disaster movie?
Or Crass-tina?
@14 “I'm a God and I will FLOOD the USA, in about a month... hahaha. Wait till the record snow melts and I send the crazy spring rains on top of it...”
Mar 25th, 2014 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the record snow in the midwest of the USA has already melted...and no flooding as far as I am aware.
#64 don't listen to tobi.....his daddie abuses his mouth and caused brain damage and his mommie does not allow him out of her basement.
Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 I don't pay any serious attention to him. He clearly has problems. I thought it was funny that his forecast of what was going to happen when the snow melted has already been shown to be incorrect. Just like all the rest of his predictictions. Any normal person who was so consistently demonstrably wrong as he is would either stop talking and/or get some good education. The fact that he does neither is revealing... ;-)
Mar 26th, 2014 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0We live will spring thaw year after year and expect floods yay. When he unlatches from his moms nipple and loves taking a snippet of news here and there and attempts to build a case. His major problem is he has never been aside of Argentina....hell....Mendoza for that matter. He should travel around his own country and see how bad it really is there. He judges the world from a google search......poor kid. He is a gleaming example of one to pity. His ignorance is boundless and he does not know any better.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0They say that travel broadens the mind and it certainly has in my case, so clearly tobi's mind is very narrow - as shown by his posts.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As anyone learns more they realise how much they don't know and are happy to admit their ignorance in areas of which they have no experience and are often willing to learn more to fill the gaps. Tobi clearly hasn't reached this point yet and still thinks he knows it all.
For his sake, we can only hope that he has enough real-life experiences where he gets caught out by his own ignorance that he develops some humility and learns to research effectively before making a fool of himself or repeating incorrect information being fed to him by those with a vested interest in keeping him in the dark.
If not, he will indeed be one to pity - he'll end up like those old guys in pubs who people only talk to get a laugh out of the nonsense they spout...which is pretty much what is happening to him here. ;-)
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