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Malvinas war veterans plan symbolic repeat of Falklands invasion in Ushuaia
Ushuaia Malvinas war veterans are planning a symbolic repeat of the Falklands military invasion by Argentine forces on the night of April first 1982, although this time the landing will take place along the Beagle Channel coast, according to reports from the capital of Tierra del Fuego in the extreme south of Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI applaud honouring the fallen and they should be honoured by their compatriots and family but symbolising an invasion which started a war is, quite simply, bizarre.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, doing a landing without any Royal Marine opposition is obviously favourable although I've heard those king penguins can be quite a handful.
Oh sweet Jesus thats funny!!!!! Will Germany “symbolically repeat” the invasion of Poland in 39' by attacking a disused industrial site outside Munich made to look like Warsaw?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe the Yanks could commemorate the monumental cock up that was Vietnam by attacking some poor buggers dry-cleaning business?......... Its not racist if its funny!
1
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I applaud honouring the fallen and they should be honoured by their compatriots and family but symbolising an invasion which started a war is, quite simply, bizarre.”
agree,
spot on
In a new aniversasrio April 2, as always training alone pending order to return.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0ISLAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXa1MVyH3A
Training?!?!?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Baha
Bahahaha
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
WIll they be pegging these re-enactment people to the ground? Bringing along the ceremonial bath-tub to have a group dump in? Have a post-office mockup erected to smear their faecies all over? Will an officer be holding a pistol to a girls head? etc etc etc
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I highly doubt it, so this re-enactment will not be historically true will it?
Considering how Argentina has whitewashed African slaves out of its history as gene pool...... The answer is NO!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't Argentina's indigenous population carried off by pirates?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 06
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Will an officer be holding a pistol to a girls head? etc etc etc”
you talk about killing girls, etc, etc, etc, and this image automatically appears.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg
British Concentration Camps During the 2nd Anglo-Boer War
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg
Wow. Argentina is advanced as the UK was over 100 years ago.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking about being behind the times.
When the British settled the Falklands they persecuted nothing but the natural population of penguins and seagulls. Meanwhile I don't see many indigenous people amongst the Argentine power-mingers. Still, that's genocide for you.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 03 paulcedron
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was not invasion, It was the recovery of our islands expropriated since 1833 by Pirates, so You have to use proper words in your post!
Recovery
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Baha
Bahahaha
BAHAHAHAHAHA
On 14th of June members of the South Antlantic Association will be attending Ushuaia to reenact shoving the heroes asses back on the boats!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0But will the town of Ushuaia have enough white bed sheets on hand in a couple months to recreate the surrender of Argentine forces ??
Apr 01st, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should be interesting.....
Do they put this much effort in remembering the fall of the Junta?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are they “out of their tiny minds”? YES!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can we bring some Gurkhas along for Act 2?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come back here you malvinistas, the play isn't finished yet!
i find this quite sick.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0i wonder if they will invite any remaining nazi concentration camp survivors to join the re-enactment, perahps in their old uniforms.
paul still bleats about recovery of their islands, what islands would they be, after all, the falklands were british before Argentina was a nation
Very good MP. This is the April Fools joke - right?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You hit it on the head, it's got to be.
And once Argentina has invaded Argentina, will the veterans be making it really authentic by taking a dump in some poor local's house before putting up a fee white flags and going home again? Or will they have received house training this time?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It was not invasion, It was the recovery of our islands expropriated since 1833 by Pirates”
No, it was an illegal invasion of islands recovered by the legitimate holders of sovereignty in 1833 from pirates. You need to stop lying.
“You have to use proper words in your post!”
He did. You did not.
'coffee, mate and fried pancakes (torta fritas)'
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That should ensure a good turnout... poor starving wretches would probably sell their sisters for a decent feed...
So will they meet up,in a couple of weeks to stand around waiting for the boat home when it all goes wrong?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you the bloke in the olympics video did put in a lot of running practice so may they will invite a ghurka after all :)
@20, @21
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently not. And according to this, it's military personnel doing the re-enactment.
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201403/57179-intensa-actividad-en-tierra-del-fuego-por-el-aniversario-de-la-guerra-de-malvinas.html
Shouldn't somebody be writing a semi-hysterical letter to Ban Ki Moon, or something?
This must be unique. What is really wrong with the Argentine nation?? Are there any other countries in the world CELEBRATING a war thy STARTED and a war they ultimately LOST? Commemorating the fallen soldiers is quite another thing.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best they let their neighbours know they are partying... lest the neighbours drop something heavy on their party.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just outside Puerto Williams you can still see field pieces zeroed in on Ushuaia...
@26
Apr 01st, 2014 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not just celebrating a war they started and lost, but simultaneously expecting us to believe they have repudiated violence, and it was all their evil twin brother anyway.
@4 José Mal,
Apr 01st, 2014 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may return, but as Prisoners of War.
Better for you to stay in your own land & don't try to steal ours.
@12 puerto argy,
You cannot “recover” something that you never owned.
And Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands.
But try to have a nice day, anyway!
every time I read this BS from Argentina, the more I feel sympathy for Falklanders, nearly to the edge of going there to reinforce the Falklanders point.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0How to repeat a total fail, celebrate it and make a fool of yourself?
Ask Argentinians!
and they call it peace? maybe they should invite the Pope, and also put this occasion out on the world press to show what they are really like. Sicko's!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 Redrow
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your right, this has got to be an April Fool story.
Come on now, really: “...war veterans or next of kin supported by the local kayak club”!
Nice one Merco, you had me up until the kayak club :)
Bahahahaha…
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Invasion by the kayak club! Is that because the Rgs have no navy?
And that band playing the Malvinas march, is that the one you play walking backwards (retreating) and its played on Kazzoos?
What a shambles in that shithole Ushuaia, damp rugby pitches, crumbling Mythical Malvinas monument covered in moss and grime.
However we must remember that the RG dictatorship is a banana republic.
Celebrations on All Fools Day - very apt
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I stand corrected, apparently it is true. Oh dear, oh very, very dear....
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 José Malvinero
Jose (Marcos?), I have a favour to ask: could you please, please put this on youtube? Many of us on here would appreciate the opportunity to pay our respects to your poor brave fellows. Thanks in advance.
(This is gonna be comedy gold, I for one sure wanna see it)
26
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well..actually no....
The Yanks every time they sing their national anthem....
It refers to the 1812 war with Britain...which they started and never won....
@26 “This must be unique. What is really wrong with the Argentine nation?? Are there any other countries in the world CELEBRATING a war thy STARTED and a war they ultimately LOST? Commemorating the fallen soldiers is quite another thing.”
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. I had this conversation with an Argentine friend. I tried explaining the difference between celebrate and commemorate, and why the latter is appropriate. I also asked her why she wanted to 'celebrate' a war that Argentina lost? Do they have a national losers song? etc. I was trying to make a point. Anyway, she just said, “You make me cross”.
@4 Jose
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In a new aniversasrio April 2, as always training alone pending order to return.”
If you are practising to return why don't you invite the Ghurkas, Parachute Regiment Royal Marines etc to form the opposition?
Then after you have practised invading a territory with an opposition of only 80 troops (and it took you long enough to dislodge them), then you can re-enact Pebble Island, (you might want to invite the SAS for that one )and the battles of Goose Green, Mt. Harriet, Two Sisters, Longdon, Tumbledown and Wireless Ridge.
That should give you the practice you need for your 'return to hell.'
Make sure your ration packs are equipped with your obligatory white flags 'just in case' the going gets too hard for you.
@12 Port Jackson
“It was not invasion, It was the recovery of our islands expropriated since 1833 by Pirates,”
Not quite, 1833 is when the pirates left and the majority of the South American born settlers opted to live under the British flag, including your mate Rivero because the British paid Silver instead of Vernet's worthless promissory notes.
Nothing much has changed. Argentina still issues worthless currency/IOUs and the Falkland Islands pays its way.
@9 Paulcedron
“British Concentration Camps During the 2nd Anglo-Boer War”
The difference is that the UK has abandoned Imperialism, whilst Argentina wishes to emulate the British Empire by continuing Imperialism in the 21st century.
100 years ago the British had concentration camps-30 years ago Argentina was throwing nuns out of planes into the sea.
That means you might become a decent country in the next 70 years, if you are lucky.
@15jwolf
Lets give Argentina some credit. They are the world's largest manufacturers producers of white flags-for the domestic market, standard issue in an Argentine ration pack-perhaps Ushuaia can keep its bedsheets?
@22 ECP
“And once Argentina has invaded Argentina”
Could they manage to invade themselves without losing?
pete
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The difference is that the UK has abandoned Imperialism, whilst Argentina wishes to emulate the British Empire by continuing Imperialism in the 21st century.”
it seems not.
the (the british) still have 14 colonies.
they still are, in fact, an empire.
a decadent one, but still an empire.
@39 paulcedron
Apr 01st, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, forget about the Falklands and Gibraltar. Tell me, what do you propose to your other 12 “colonies”?
Are they allowed to decide for themselves? Or is it up to the biggest, nearest neighbour to oversea their affairs, regardless of any shared connection.
Paul , can you name these 14 colonies , because there is no list of them anywhere .
Apr 01st, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kayaks?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bhaaahahaha! !!!!!!!
PMSL!
Yesterday, two new cases were made known, one in Río Negro and the other in Rosario, where five lynchings were reported in less than 10 days.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/155921/cfk-blasts-failure-to-condemn-lynching
20 or so of the buggers arrived here last flight in on Sat via Chile as well and wandering around the beaches here on Sunday so maybe deciding where they will plant a flag and have an early morning photoshoot on the 2nd- they may be in for a few visitors if they do!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe, in the spirit of friendship, the Falkland Islands Government could present these people with the last Argentine flag to fly in the Falklands, namely the big WHITE one.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then you can all stand around waving the Falkland Islands Flag, laugh at them, and call them losers and chanting 'JUNE 14th, JUNE 14th, JUNE 14th!', whilst unfurling a large banner (written in Spanish) that says '14th June - Liberation Day from the evil Argentine Fascists!'
That'll make some memorable photo's for the folks back home. :)
#45 Lol! Where is Slink when you need him? His sock puppet made an appearance but not himself. Perhaps he is practicing on his Kazzoo?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/5z3J_3_D4Qo
A truly bizarre story. Will German veterans be re-enacting the invasion of Poland on 1st September?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let’s hope they plan a symbolic repeat of their defeat and surrender.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0300 miles off their own coast, the Brits 8000 miles from theirs and the Argentines lost! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha – X10,000,000
Defeat is obviously a bitter pill to swallow in Argieland. I thought this was an April fool’s joke at first glance.
46
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great link...is that a bunch of talentless Brits making a fool of themselves....?
....still got your pics...wanna see them, old man...?...;-)))...does anyone...?....;-))
No opportunity to look daft before the whole world is ever wasted.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Return? Planning to be in the first “wave”, are you? Or just “waving” from your armchair? Tell you what, it will cost me a lot of money but I'm willing to meet you on a Falklands beach. I'm also very old. But I'll cut you down like the animal you are.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Just remember that the spanish first created concentration camps. On Cuba. Or did you miss that bit of history? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#Concentration_camp
Note that the Polish view is not confirmed. But the spanish crime is documented.
@39 Thank you. So we are still an empire. ”The term empire derives from the Latin imperium (power, authority). Politically, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy.“ Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is a Head of State. But she doesn't ”rule“ anything. Therefore there is no ”empire“. There are a number of territories protected, under UN auspices, by a nation capable of doing so. By an adult nation. A status argieland is about a thousand years from achieving.
@44 Do the sensible thing. Take them out for a trip ”round the islands”. Sink whatever they are in about 100 miles offshore. Or just shoot them! Always remember that there is no evidence without a body!
So this symbolic reenactment is to show support for the Argentine Military Junta, is it?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't see what other symbolism can be garnered from this. Only Argentina would celebrate the illegal (and that is illegal under international law, the UN charter etc...) invasion that was about oppressing and ethnic cleansing the indigenous population (also illegal under international law), whilst at the same time cost the lives of nearly 1,000 people.
These people are scum.
I can't imagine what next of kin of the Argentines killed in the war would want to be a part of this travesty, but talk about spitting on your own dead.
Yup, these people are real scum.
41
Apr 01st, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0usurping pirate
1) British Antarctic Territory
2) Falkland Islands
3) South Sandwich and the South Georgia Islands
4) Turks and Caicos Islands
5) Saint Helena, Saint Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
6) Cayman Islands
7) Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia
8) British Virgin Islands
9) Anguilla
10) Montserrat
11) Bermuda
12) British Indian Ocean Territory
13) Pitcairn Islands
14) Gibraltar
i think they call them b.o.t. or something like that.
just an euphemism. they are 17th century style colonies.
and in most of the cases, they are also tax havens and smugglers´ paradises
Speaking as an 82 veteran I find the whole incident an appalling slur on the fallen of both sides. I cannot for the life of me see the rational thought behind such 'commemorative events' in regard to a wholly illegal act and it justifies our total support in maintaining the islanders way of life. These mainland oddities just cannot comprehend how way off track their behaviour is in the eyes of the democratic world obviously this does not include Russia, Cuba or Venezuela....it is simply ridiculous!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also know there are islanders reading these posts...and sometimes I wonder if I met you all those years ago...anyway, I would like to just let you know my feelings now are the same as then...you are our kinfolk and those islands are yours. I left two friends down there and one day I will return to pay my respects...to them and to the fallen of both sides....in a proper and dignified manner.
My thanks also goes to the other contributors on here who fight the same and who justify our sacrifice...a heartfelt thank you!
@53 paulcedron
Apr 01st, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, I ask you what is your point?? Who do these places belong to; the people or the nearer, bigger country?
These places are not in breach of any International law.
Just because you don't like them, envey them, doesn't give you the right to dictate how they should run - does it? Leave them in peace why not.
1 April? How appropriate, April Fool's Day.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53
Apr 01st, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think they are called BOT's. You are correct they are called BOT's
You are top of the class well done.
There is definitely something cunning going on here...perhaps...
Apr 01st, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina now seems to be aliening itself with multiple causes associated with the issue of self determination (Chagos, Hong Kong, Crimea and now East Timor). These obviously contradict their own grievance, but, He who shouts loudest (and often) can win the argument. Plus, in the eyes of many the 'British Empire' can still be seen as the bad guy for the ill-informed, regardless of the facts; I think that's what they want to manipulate...
Then again, given previous form and lack of a professional diplomatic corps, they could just be deluded retards scamming foreign travel, nice lunches and expenses...
Today, the defence minister mr Hammond, stated in parliament that the British government in consultation with the royal navy, and uk ministers have this day set out the requirement and orders for the 2014 SDR, to be laid in may,
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore this government would like to inform this house that the royal navy will be receiving the following, he stated,
[The Official Authoritative Fleets (OAFF) ]
Steady state proposal
Keep ship and boat builds steady to sustain a minimum capability
A steady build of attack submarines:
14x Astute SSN (building a batch of four every seven years, one every 21 months - update design each batch)
(4x Vanguard SSBN SLEP with new reactor for further 25 years - then a new design)
A steady build of Aircraft Carriers:
First aircraft carrier built all five blocks at once from 2009
First carrier 2014
Seven stages (5 super blocks, Assembly, Installation and Integration)
at 2 years per stage (fourteen year cycle)
2028
2042
2056 (first carrier out of service)
42 year service life (three aircraft carriers at any one time)
A steady build of fleet escorts as four (seven year) batches:
6x AAW Destroyers,
8x ASW Frigates,
6x AAW Destroyers and
8x ASW Frigates (Ice breaking)
28 year service life
A steady build of utility corvettes and training ships:
26x 2250t multi-use sloops (convoy AAW, convoy ASW, litoral combat, MCM, patrol/boarding, SF insertion or Survey)
(one a year, but gear up quickly in times of trouble)
26 year service life
Archer Class (25m) replacements (four every four years) Fitted for but not with 30mm cannon, 30 knots.
Royal Navy
3 Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carriers
Queen Elizabeth Prince of Wales
Ark Royal/Duke of York
2 Albion class Landing Platform Dock Assault Ships
Albion Bulwark
1 Gleaner class Inshore Survey Motor Launch
1 Scott Oceanographic Survey Ship
6 Daring class AAW Destroyers
Daring Dauntless Diamond
Dragon Defender Duncan
6 Dido class AAW Destroyers (follow on evolved Darings
In the UK it is SBS ( Special Boat Service ) in the Argentine it is SKS ( Special Kayak Service ) Christ you not make it up, oops I just did. LOL
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(36) A_Voice
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for drawing my attention to the “Star-Spangled Banner”...
Never cared to find out the meaning of its lyrics until today...
Part of the Brits & Yanks “Special Relationship”, I reckon...
@53 Paul Cedron
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, how many of these alleged “17th century colonies” wish to have a different status to the one they have now? How many of them have been denied a different status to the one they have now? (Hint: in both cases it's the same number as wish to be Argentine)
Today, the defence minister mr Hammond, stated in parliament that the British government in consultation with the royal navy, and uk ministers have this day set out the requirement and orders for the 2014 SDR, to be laid in may,
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore this government would like to inform this house that the royal navy will be receiving the following, he stated,
[The Official Authoritative Fleets (OAFF) ]
Steady state proposal
Keep ship and boat builds steady to sustain a minimum capability
Royal Navy
3 Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carriers
Queen Elizabeth Prince of Wales
Ark Royal/Duke of York
2 Albion class Landing Platform Dock Assault Ships
Albion Bulwark
1 Gleaner class Inshore Survey Motor Launch
1 Scott Oceanographic Survey Ship
6 Daring class AAW Destroyers
Daring Dauntless Diamond
Dragon Defender Duncan
6 Dido class AAW Destroyers (follow on evolved Darings)
Dido Delight Danae
Decoy Duchess Dunkirk
8 Leander class ASW Frigates (follow on evolved Dukes)
Leander Jupiter Galatea
Penelope Hermione
Minerva Sirus Cleopatra
8 Arethusa class ASW Frigates (follow on evolved Leanders)
Arethusa Argonaut Apollo Aurora
Andromeda Ajax Achilles Ariadne
4 Astute class SSNs
Astute Ambush
Artful Audacious
4 Avenger class SSNs (SF/UUV dock)
Avenger Armageddon Attack Active
4 Resolution class SSBNs (may replace Vanguard Class after SLEP)
Resolution Repulse Revenge Renown
4 Churchill class SSNs (follow on evolved Avengers)
Churchill Jellicoe Fisher Beatty
4 Nelson class SSNs (follow on evolved Churchills)
Nelson Raleigh Drake Blake
26 C3 Rothesay class FPV/MCM/Survey Sloops
Rothesay Lowestoft Brighton
Yarmouth Londonderry Rhyl
Berwick Falmouth Hastings
Whitby Tenby Blackpool
Eastbourne Torquay Scarborough
Weymouth Fowey Ramsgate
Poole Truro Lindisfarne
Newhaven Chichester Cromer
Mallaig Lerwick
April fools,, if only
@53 paulcedron
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your point is ………….what?
@60
Apr 01st, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Royal Marines Boom Patrol Detachment (RMBPD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frankton
Guys!
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What can I add to this humour filled set of posts that I PMSL whilst reading. Great response!
But KAYAKS? Perhaps they are armour plated ones! GLUG, GLUG, GLUG.
@ 61 The Lunatic of Chew Butt.
Stop talking to yourself @36 it makes you look like a lunatic.
Oh! It’s OK, carry on YOU ARE A LUNATIC.
HA, HA, HA.
News Blog
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Alliance to be re-commissioned into active service with the Royal Navy
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/
this is true..
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61 Think
Apr 01st, 2014 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not alone Mr Think...most Yanks don't realise either....
A very special relationship....a National Anthem about your enemy.....Britain...
Let's keep reminding them lest they forget...;-))
Let me take a moment to remind all those Yanks....
The first declaration of war by the United States....
A war you started....
and a war you lost....
let's celebrate it....and immortalise it....
my favourite comical part....
First Lady Dolly Madison fleeing from the White House carrying George Washington's portrait...before the Brits torched it....
The UK and the US once went to war and have gotten over it.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity Argentina can't seem to do the same about seemingly anything from its past.
68 A_Voice
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The true story of the George Washington portrait may never be known. In all likelyhood it was removed by servants acting on instructions from Dolley Madison rather than the First lady herself.
It is certainly true that the British soldiers ate the dinner that President Madison ran out on.
The damage to Washington would have been much worse had not a thunderstorm and heavy rain put all the fires out.
#67
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did notice this is 1st April ?
(68) A_Voice
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not for siding with the Yanks but...... I would call it a Remis...
Paulecedron- Please tell me how does/did a 17th Centrury Colony run- how are they governed etc etc and who makes and operates their laws?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then please list to me the ones where that old system still applies?
The burning question: can Argentines invade Argentina successfully?
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@68
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever actually listened to the words of that anthem? It commemorates the inspiration that Francis Scott Key felt upon seeing the American standard still flying above Fort McHenry despite a severe British naval bombardment. It makes no reference or commemoration or justification or anything else about the war itself. Unlike symbolic weird mock invasions that commemerate an illegal invasion. What a stupid comparision.
And for the record the War of 1812 was about 200 years ago. Many years of friendship have passed between the U.S. and the U.K. The Brits are our closest ally for a reason. We share the same language and beliefs in freedom and democracy and self government. Who is Argentina's closest ally? Who the hell would want a special relationship with them? (crickets).....(crickets).....
”53 paulcedron (#)
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0usurping pirate
1) British Antarctic Territory
2) Falkland Islands”
So you acknowledge that the Antarctic belongs to the british... jolly good ... keep up the good work.
Paul cedron
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You appear confused....as is your government.
The Argentine government (and you) claim that the Falklands is a colony.
The Argentine governments position is that the Falkland islanders are not victims of colonialism.
So it is a colony without a victim.
As are the other 13 “colonies” you list.
However, Argentinas victims of colonialism still live on, as do others being threatened by Argentine colonial ambitions.
So, as of 2014 Argentina is far more a 17th century colonialist than the Uk.
I have said it before, no other country on the planet celebrates losing quite like Argentina. Then to make matters worse they left their soldiers on the islands for months to starve.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yay, lets have a celebration!!!
back to topic, i totally agree with post #1.
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is nothing to celebrate.
it should be a day of reflexion and not a day for mini tourism as it finally will be.
the day april 2 was instaured as a “feriado” by bignone in 1983 when the junta was in total decline.
as president alfonsin said, the day april 2 commemorates an event whose celebration is incongruent with the sentiments that evokes.
@40
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”the (the british) still have 14 colonies”
They've colonised them recently then?
In the last 14 years?
73 Think
Apr 01st, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I beg to differ Mr Think....what would you call a war in which you fail in all of your objectives....bearing in mind the Yanks declared the state of war....
I would see that as lost....
76
Not a Yank are you....?
“It makes no reference or commemoration or justification or anything else about the war itself.”
Really....?
...Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,...British....
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution....(British and mercenaries)
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
...having read that let me again remind you who started that war.....
maybe you should read the words.......
“However, Argentinas victims of colonialism still live on, as do others being threatened by Argentine colonial ambitions.”
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is a product of colonisation, (not a país colonialista) in this case of the imperio español.
on the other hand you have the countries that are product of the colonisation of the british empire: australia, new zealand, canada, tanganika, rhodesia, u.s., south africa, fiji, india plus 3/4 of the world.
in almost all the cases, or in all the cases, those colonisations were made by force,
so those empires were the responsibles of massive killings, lootings, enslavement and some other marvelous things.
the resultant countries cannot be considered colonialistas.
@82
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You try to prove your point by quoting the second, third, and fourth stanzas of the song? The parts no one ever sings? But conveniently skip the first and primary stanza? Oh wait, Malvinistas pick and choose the parts of the stories that suits their twisted logic.
And you seem to keep pointing out with glee that it was the ”Yanks' who started the war. Yes they declared war because the British were involuntarily impressing American sailors to work on British ships. Were the British doing that to Argentinian sailors in 1982 as well? Forgive me I must've missed that reason for illegally invading the Falkland Islands.
What a dope you are......
84
Apr 01st, 2014 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't try to prove.....I did prove you were wrong in your ridiculous statement....
Whether it's the 1st..2nd or 3rd verse is irrelevant...it's all part of the Anthem...
Just because you don't sing it, doesn't mean it's not there......Doh!
BTW they were not American sailors...they were British that had deserted...and what a great excuse for declaring war......NOT.....
...and let's not forget your attempt to invade Canada....was that because the Brits caught a few deserting sailors...
Do you really believe this was sufficient justification....?
The Yanks declared war because they thought the Brits were still going to be tied up with Napoleon and the French.....and thought they could take Canada....
The Brits defeated the French and the Yanks shit themselves and sued for peace when they realised the Brits would send their real army over....
What a bunch of fannies....
Yeah you must be a Yank....alrighty...you have the main trait....Stupidity....
They should send some Ghurkas and Paras with paintball guns and they can have a historical recreation of a historical battle where the poor Argentines get their asses handed to them, again. I would put my money on the Brits, again.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The political industry of national trauma, indoctrination and obsession for 32 years...And going on well into the XXI Century.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody with any sense will convey this was not the Vietnam war, the Angolan war or the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the breakup of Yugoslavia or the current Syrian war we are talking about... It was only two or three months and actually fery few people died considering other conflicts and wars that went on in those days. Actually the closest war and case is the war of the Cenepa in 1995 between Ecuador and Peru or the Russian Georgian war in 2008. But not so much fuss was done about it in either case.
With the deepest of respects to the war veterans, but I really believe this is doing no good and enough is enough. Nobody in the world obsesses over so little and over a war that was lost. Time to move on. Some of the Brits and the islanders should do too
This celebration is utterly ridiculous and pointless.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 088
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0When are you planning on making a original comment?? I mean instead of chasing trolls, repeating over what others say and sucking up to others and obsessing over the topics you want them to be discussed.... You know just saying.
“The Yanks declared war because they thought the Brits were still going to be tied up with Napoleon and the French.....and thought they could take Canada....”
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The EXACT same gamebook that Argentina followed before WW2 when it manufactured its current claim to the Falkland Islands. Hoping the British would be too distracted or disempowered by the Nazis.
MARCH TO ARGENTINE MALVINAS ISLANDS:
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0Zez4CJk0
After his mantle of mist,
we have not forgotten.
Las Malvinas, Argentina!,
cries the roaring wind and the sea.
Neither of those horizons
our teaching they must take,
because its white is in the mountains
and its blue sea is stained.
By absent, by defeated
under foreign flag
no more beloved soil;
in the homeland in the extension!
Who speaks here of forgetting,
waiver, forgiveness? ...
no more beloved soil
in the homeland in the extension!
Break the mantle of mist,
like the sun, our ideal:
Las Malvinas, argentine
in domain and immortal!
And in the face of the sun of our emblem,
Pure, clear and triumphant,
shine oh fatherland!, in your headband
The Argentina pearl southern
choir
To honor our emblem
for national pride,
shine oh fatherland!, in your headband
The Argentina pearl southern
Where's the verse on failing miserably and surrendering?
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 092
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You like Argentina military marches, asshole? Here you have other:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuKfSIq1dFc
Here is something interesting which came in. The AFIP (local IRS) are treating the Falklands like foreign territory and applying a 35% tax on any purchases made there as also airfares to get there. This is a blatant official admission that they are an British Overseas Territory.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.change.org/es-AR/peticiones/except%C3%BAen-a-malvinas-del-35-para-viajes-al-exterior-conmalvinasno#share
Argentina reenacts the Invasion of 1982.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“LOOKS LIKE THE SILLY BUGGERS REALLY MEAN IT.”
Would seem to be the appropriate quote for todays anniversary.
@ Briton
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes mate all looks nice but according with UKNDA (United Kingdom Defence Association) and Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon and Vice-Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham.
UK ranks below than France, Spain and Argentina in military power.
Please guys don’t kill the messenger because you don’t like the news this comes from your own former military stuff not me.
“Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, has criticised a claim that Argentina ranks ahead of Britain in a league table of military power”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10335560/Absurd-to-claim-UK-military-ranks-below-Argentinas-says-Defence-Secretary.html
May be this is the reason why USA had dropped UK and turned into France for her most valuable military ally?
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Apr 02nd, 2014 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have to be on drugs. Argentina doesnt even have radars and a capable air fighter. It doesn't even have a border patroll, they have being send over to fight crime in BsAs.
Those retired military staff are deluded and just lobying for more budget.
It may be that France is over the UK, but I doubt France would be as stupid as becoming the US lapdog on a long term institutional strategic submission like the UK has towards Washington. France persuits its real interests in North Africa where the French are liked and called for, its clear by now that the French independent tradition from NATO has given them good results.
“You like Argentina military marches, asshole? Here you have other:”
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was that link about retreat and surrender?
@CabezaDura2
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not on drugs and this is a work from the United Kingdom Defence Association (UKNDA)
By Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon and Vice-Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham.
Why are you so upset?
@98 Anglotino
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines never march to retreat, then run and run and run, then they surrender.
I wonder if they'll be reenacting that! LOL
@99 Dany
Don't worry about Britain's defence capability. It is so far superior to that of Argentina's, that your government is afraid of just over 1,000 British military personnel, 4 fighter aircraft, some short range missiles, and one vessel that patrols the WHOLE of the Atlantic!
Oh and who can forget your Foreign Minister - Mr Timidman - humiliating Argentina at the UN when he called the Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyer the Death Star!!!!
Oh priceless.
Perhaps you should be more worried about the state of Argentina's defence. Who knows, one day your neighbours will get fed up of your thievery, lying and backstabbing and invade.
And when they invade, they won't be using kayaks. LMFAO!!!
Oh poor Dany. I know, why don't you regale us with your plan to invade the Falklands? You can tell us of the 10,000 Argentines you plan to sacrifice (not yourself of course) in that futile attempt.
The enigmas of Argentina ...
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Today a Montonero government and many Argentines celebrate an unprovoked act of aggression perpetrated by a military regime that kidnapped tortured and killed 10,000 of it's own citizens .
They celebrate the fact that this same brutal regime were going to do unto others what was done to them .
This is how the rest of the world views this sick charade ........
@LEPRecon
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did I say that I’m worry?
Nope...
You are wrong (as always) who is worry is UKNDA (United Kingdom Defence Association) and Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon and Vice-Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham.
And also USA about your military capabilities and that is the reason why they prefers France as a Key ally...
You have to convince them and not me.
Here more bad news...
Con Coughlin, Defence Editor and a world-renowned expert on global security and terrorism issues...
“Britain is losing the military capability to fight alongside the Americans”
“Gen Odierno said that British defence cuts are already jeopardising US-UK joint operations.”
“Speaking at a Washington think-tank, the general warned that defence cuts by America’s European allies like Britain risk undermining Nato and Transatlantic relations.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100219594/britain-is-losing-the-military-capability-to-fight-alongside-the-americans/
@91
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hoist the flag, in brilliant white.
Run like hell, pants full of ...
@103 Dany
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have missed the point.
It doesn't matter whether the UK's military capability is slightly diminished, the point you've completely missed, is that DESPITE the UK's military capability diminishing it is still so amazingly far above Argentina's that you cry, weep and beg the world to make those nasty British remove all the defences from the Falkland so you can invade them again.
Distract and divert as much as you want, but Argentina's military is a joke, and so is Argentina.
Argentina the joke that keeps on giving and giving and giving.
Dany, the indoctrinated idiot who is desperate to try and divert everyone from THAT fact. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Dany - the useless troll, that keeps on failing, and failing and failing.
Why do the former British colonies stir up so much angst and, envy amoung some Argentines? Having missed out completely on the great colonial adventures of centuries long past, Argentina casts covetous eyes on the few remaining specks left over from the former British empire. They don't seem to care that the inhabitants of these places are doing very well for themselves and want nothing to do with a self-obsessed failing country like Argentina.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The planned symbolic repeat of the Falklands invasion (an invasion that precipitated a bloody war and brought suffering and misery to the Islanders and Argentines alike) suggests an obsessive mindset coupled with a national sense of inferiority and a fascist-like desire to bully weaker peoples.
Countries do commemorate their war dead and significant national events, but for Argentina to go out of its way to remind people of a brutal unprovoked invasion that failed so spectacularly is, to say the least, bizarre. Surely they have a more worthy event in their history to commemorate? But we are dealing with Argentina, so perhaps not.
103 DanyBerger
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0You love to wind em up,
Argentina may be more powerful than us, point being, would you go against us,
[Thought not] neither wills CFK,, full stop,
As for Britain not being unable to fight with the Americans,
If you can name some other country that will do the job, please name them, and we can stay at home,
p/s
Royal Navy in decline? Mike we don’t think so!
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/royal-navy-in-decline-mike-from-uk.html
read the list, make a comment…
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@Briton & co
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you guys not able to read?
I said please don’t kill the messenger because you don’t like the news...
And what are you doing?
Exactly this...
Again (read carefully please)
This is what says UKNDA (United Kingdom Defence Association) and Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon and Vice-Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham.
And General Odierno (US)
So...
Are you militaries genius or the UK militaries and the US militaries are a complete bunch of stupid incompetents that have no idea about what they say?
Can you answer please?
Are you guys not able to read?/ [nope]
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said please don’t kill the messenger/ [ can you prove you are the messenger
.. And what are you doing?—observing your silly comments, yeah..
Again (read carefully please, [ What a part
..] This is what says
[ and ya believe everything you read..mmmm
Are you militaries genius or the UK militaries and the US militaries are a complete bunch of stupid incompetents that have no idea about what they say?
Ooooh, now then, seeing as ya isa the expert, then why would we read , but just listen..lol
Can you answer please?
Yes please..
Still,
Lets change the subject..lol
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Dany
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is little doubt that the UK in hardware terms can obliterate Argentina's armed forces in a few hours. That is what 99% of defence experts will tell you.
But you are missing the point entirely, the UK is a poodle dog of the US. The purpose of having a defence is to match it with your own national interests and foreign policy. Its clear that Britain has overstreached in the last decades in being somebody they dont need to be and could have saved so many trouble, money and lives in doing so.
I think this is an execellent article and sums up a lot of the “special relation” that the UK has with the US.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2407552/Syria-vote-A-disaster-No-high-time-Britain-stopped-Uncle-Sams-poodle.html
There is no point in having military power if you cant asses it and transform it into soft power, you have ever more threats of radical islam while they fail to tackle political correctness and a bunch of lawyers are on the alert to whatever the armed forces do. They try to sound tough on Putin but the Russian oligarchs have put in substantial ammounts of money in London and their housing market, plus they have BP pressuring Cameron to keep it low. BP has a good deal with the Russian oil and energy sector.
Though it has the same domestic problems mark my words France will not go down the road of Britain the paper tiger and being a US lapdog. It would be a great mistake if they did replace Britain on that role
Danny..
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0UKNDA Commentary 4
UKNDA Commentary 3
UKNDA Commentary 2
“The Defence Budget League Tables: False Comfort from Statistics”
By Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Graydon and Vice-Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham
UKNDA Commentary 1
http://www.uknda.org/uknda-commentaries.html
,,,
At least read it if you are going to try and ridicule us,
It depends on your interpretation,
And we may well be far short of what we require, and that we all agree on,
The fact remains, Argentina and CFK do not pose the power to re-take them,
But of course we could be wrong,??
@93 José Malvinero
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is dignified event on youtube yet? Please say it is, I'm a keen Kayak-er as well.
@CabezaDura2
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is little doubt that the UK in hardware terms can obliterate Argentina's armed forces in a few hours. That is what 99% of defence experts will tell you.”
1- In which scenario?
2- What military experts have said that to you?
Because I would like to know the idiots.
More, best, latest, etc. military hardware will not guarantee you to win any war.
See US failed military adventures as example Vietnam, etc.
3-About your article most of what was written there I was telling the same to fellow Britons...
US has not friends, special relationship or whatever you can imagine with any nation just interests.
Like in commerce.
Nothing new.
I didn’t missing the point because I was talking about this recently in another post and I compared Britain with a remora (fish) and the shark special relationship while the shark get the best part to eat the little remora has to eat the shark excrement to survive.
Sad but its true...
Your CommentDany Berger
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stratfor, GlobalSecurity.org, Globalfirepower, Jane's defence weekly even DEF Tv in C5N...You name it.
You are making the same erroneous calculation that Galtieri did exatly 32 years ago. Do not confuse the professionalism of the British armed forces and its real capabilities with the British ruling class and the political elite and the chronical weakness that is called Political correctness. They are two entirely different things.
They may seem the same but the UK and the US have a entirely different war approach specially when it comes to infantry tactics. There was a strong Prussian influence in the US armed forces ever since their conception. In fact the Argentine army was VERY US model oriented in 1982. The americans even alerted Thatcher that it would be impossible to take back the islands.
The truth be said is if Cameron was even a quarter of what the leader Putin is, he would have CFK blowing him and serving him coffe in the G-20 summit. But he cant because he doesnt even know how to transform military power into political power, tthat is the key point Im making here and in the other threads.
Just look how Russia got like 11 countries to support the land grab of Crimea in a months time. The UK cant even get a formal support from the US when it comes to the islands even 32 years after the war and after bendong over backwards for decades to the Pentagon's wishes. Ultimately they are chronical loosers and are a profoundly insecure country.
@113
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every EU country has reduced it's military spending, you can hardly level that charge at the UK alone, building the biggest ships the Royal Navy has ever operated, no one else in Europe is building aircraft carriers the size of the UK, none of them are building aircraft carriers full stop, France have cancelled theirs due to lack of funds and they are extremely envious of our new carriers.
There is a huge difference between having a large military and the worlds most technologically advanced. We don't have the largest military, but we are second to none with our technological advancements. For example, when one British T45 destroyer has the ability to destroy every single military aircraft in South America, it's not the UK that needs to be worrying about it's capabilities.
Have you ever considered that if you want increased government spending for your department, defence for example, what better way to achieve this goal than have a US general publicly doubting the ability of it's closest ally to work alongside it.
115
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we recognize that, the carriers and the latest tech that BAE is developing is just wicked no doubt about it.... but what the hell for?? The question is what and where do you really want to go and what do you need. What is the T45 or the Carriers going to do about home grown terrorist cells for example?? During the last decade and the ongoing war on terrorism, How is any of this new development changing the situation on the ground in Afghanistan for example?? How is Russia, China, Iran intimidated by it?? How does this stop the Saudi Prince Bandar threatening your own Prime Minister in number 10 of more terrorist attacks if investigations out of bribery in your own courts are not taken out of the way...?
You are a kid with the biggest gun but dont know how to use it, and you get to be abused the same
@114 CD
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's very obvious that you don't understand the British mentality.
Only dictators need to uphold political power with military power. In the UK the military and the political aspects are completely separate. They should NEVER overlap, indeed military personnel are encouraged to be apolitical, especially the higher echelons. That is why in the UK, the military swear an oath of allegiance to the Monarch, as Head of State, and not to the government.
You also believe that if you have power you should show it off, flex your muscles and intimidate all those around you. Well the British don't do that. We use a softly, softly approach. We don't need to yell and shout to make ourselves heard.
You say (in post 116) that we are the kid with the biggest gun but don't know how to use it.
This is a classic example of how you really don't understand the British. We have the biggest gun. We know how to use it. We choose not to use it.
Why? Because all actions have equal and opposite reactions. Long gone are the days when you could just turn up with a large vessel, point it's weapons at someone and try to intimidate them into submission. Firstly, that would be illegal, and secondly, people don't like being told what to do, especially when it could affect their national pride. So the softly, softly approach works far better.
Everyone is happy, everyone feels like they have achieved something, and there is no need for hard feelings.
It's a pity that Argentina hasn't figured that out yet. You can howl at the moon as much as you want, but it won't do anything but cause you to become frustrated, and angry, with feelings of impotence and inadequacy when you realise that no one is listening to you.
These petulant displays by La Campora, celebrating an invasion that cost nearly 1,000 lives are proof of these feelings of impotence. They reenact the 'good' bits and try to forget the really 'bad' bits.
@116
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The terrorism issues you mention are the same for ever country including Argentina, remember AMIA?
The conventional war threat is always there and won't diminish, some would say the reason we have these current nuisance problems with Spain and Argentina are because of our reduced capabilities due to the lack of an aircraft carrier. Very few countries on the planet have demonstrated the ability to mobilise themselves across the planet and win a war in an aggressors own back yard, we have and don't doubt that we would do that again.
Advanced weaponry is a very swift way to win a conventional war, not terrorism I grant you, but like I said, that is everyone's problem, not just an issue for the UK.
117
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes that is very flowery and politically correct coming from a nurse. Unfortunetly Machiavelian princeples are far more up to date with reality than your gibberish is.
“We use a softly, softly approach. We don't need to yell and shout to make ourselves heard.”
Yes sure, thats why nobody respects your arses. Thanks for proving my point.
118
Why do you think France is welcomed and called in North Africa?? Why do the Lybians chant Merci Sarkozy?? Why France hasn't befallen terrorist attacks ??
Have you noticed France gets the US to support her in her won area of interest and influence rather than France following publicly the US into wars they are destined to loose and get humiliated, plus taking in money lives and international prestige with it ??
Somebody that sucks up to somebody else is not strong, he is weak. Its true for human beings so it is true for international diplomacy.
@119
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US has a vast number of Hispanic voters, you know full well that is the reason they take the stance they do on the Falklands. If they had the same number of North Africans you would see a different response. How quickly you forgot the war on terror and 'freedom fries' instead of French remember that mr smart arse!
#113
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference between Argentina and the UK is that the UK can project force at long range, Argentina cannot.
I cannot see any scenario where British troops would be required to fight a ground war on the South American mainland. Politically it is a non starter and logistically a nightmare.
I am speaking hypothetically here. Excluding an Argentinian invasion of the Falklands, UK ground troops would not be engaged.
Argentina's ability to wage war could be destroyed from long range by selectively “taking out” military facilities. At, present, you would have no effective defence against these actions. So, you could have an army 10 times greater than ours but no way to deploy it. Paper figures against reality.
As to Russia and China, we could not fight them with any chance of success unless we were part of an alliance....NATO springs to mind.
120
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US has retained the same policy towards Cuba, it never passed the immigration reform and all this despite the number of Hispanic voters (who are mainly mexicans, and Mexicans dont like Argentines)... And what was the number of hispanic voters in 1982 in a country of 200 million in the 1980s anyway?? Pfff no formal support. Russia got 11 for Crimea in a month. Get real.
I dont get your point o the freedom fries... France gets far more out of the Americans and gives in far less to them. It acts in her own interests and has a independent tradition from NATO. This has clearly payed her off. You are just jelous over the French
@119 CD
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You appear to have very a very low opinion of nurses? Let's hope you never have need of one.
Well if it will help you better, I'm ex-British Army. I've fought in wars, and understand how and when power can and should be applied. Soft power is far more effective, in certain circumstance, that military power. For all of Argentina's bluster, how many countries ACTUALLY support you? Many placate you to your faces, but then do the exact opposite and have no problem with the British. That is the softly, softly approach. Argentina requires constant platitudes to bolster its low self-esteem. The UK has loads of self-esteem, we don't require constant reassurance, and yet these countries still do business with us and have loads of respect for our handling of matters.
The type of warfare we are talking about is called conventional warfare. Make no mistake that the British are extremely good at fighting in conventional wars. The UK is only one of a handful of countries that can project it's forces beyond it's own borders and immediate neighbourhood.
China cannot do that. Russia cannot do that. The US, France and the UK can.
Hmmm, not bad eh?
As for the French in North Africa, well you obviously don't understand the situation there either. The French are welcomed by some people in Africa, and not by others.
They are currently fighting against terrorists (which is always difficult because they are cowards who hide behind civilians), and they are taking casualties. They are also not fighting alone. They have allies. They wouldn't be able to sustain operations in North Africa with the assistance of the British.
Oh, and you obviously have never seen the news, because the French have had their fair share of terrorist attacks, they have just been fortunate to not have had a really big attack.
You do know that there are French troops in Afghanistan too, don't you?
But don't let my nursey political correctness get in the way of your little ignorant rants.
But cant, you see you dont have soft power you muppet!!! Why did Prince Bandar threaten Tony Blair in number 10 with further terrorist attacks?? The same threats where given to Putin if he didn't let loose on Bashar al Assad in Syria. The attacks came to Russia indeed but the difference is that Putin dindn't kneel to the threats, Blair did.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you aiding Pakistan out of fear they give in the bomb to Al qaeda while fighting them in Helmand??
Why you dont get even formal and real support from the US in the islands, why did they treat BP like they did, while Exxon mobile got it way easier in 1989 and this after all you have done for them ?? You see you are insecure and a weak country who needs to suck up to somebody...and all this despite all your capabilities and projection. You are a classical example of a paper tiger. A joke.
And yes I have admitted that Britain is good and has a very professional armed force, but this is NOT conventional warfare, its asymmetric warfere you are fighing...(Hmmm Have you really been in the Army?)
France at least gets it right, it didn't follow Bush into Irak which is a mistake that perhaps your foreign policy and prestige as well as the US's will never recover from.
Your pathetic attempts to score some points by saying that France woulden't be able to sustain its missions in North Africa is laughable.
Just face it, you are just jealous the French go pretty much by their own, persuit their own interests instead of the interests of the americans and get a far better deal out of it.
Wow! and just who, is jealous of who?
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boyz and their toys-my dads bigger than your dad, common chaps we could do this all night,
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some facts for you, and interpret as you will,
1, we DO have a special with the yanks, the SAS can attest this, and its more intelligence that one thinks, Obama has a personal with us brits.
2, the French are very good in some ways, and in others bloody arrogant and useless.
3, the Americans will support us whilst we cannot push/pull them of the fence
4, they could have vaporised Vietnam, but agreed no nuke power would with a non nuky.
5, we [brits] have always been the underdog with military, we have rarely been ready for anything
Yet still seem to come out on top,
6, and finally,
How can//why can//as with putin, when we can’t / wont / stop Spain from entering British waters,
We are lions, but still led by donkeys..
mmmmmmm
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@124 - CD
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is the worlds number 1 in soft power - not France. Soft power doesn't mean using military forces at all, but persuasion, advertising and public relations.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/11/18/the-empire-strikes-back-u-k-beats-u-s-in-soft-power-survey-says/
“Soft power is the way governments persuade other governments to do their bidding, without the use of unmanned drones and semi-automatics. It’s been around for a while, and the soft power leader was largely the U.S. for decades. Not anymore.
According to Monacle, no other country comes close to Britian’s influence around the world. This is the first time that the U.S. has been dethroned under Monacle’s survey.”
If you are going to rant at least try to get your facts right.
And yes France wouldn't be able to sustain it's operations in North Africa without the assistance of the British. The French have even stated that fact. They have assistance from the RAF, I know this to be fact because one of my friends is a loadmaster on one of the RAF aircraft that brings in supplies, AND they have assistance from British Special Forces. There are also British military teams out there to help train the local forces. These are FACTS too.
The British have never been jealous of the French. That is you putting your own perceptions upon this. That isn't fact, that is your opinion.
The French have suffered from their intransigent attitude over the years. They are now becoming more involved in joint operations, not less. So you appear to have read the entire situation incorrectly.
You also appear to have a pathological hatred for Americans. I don't know why.
You also claim that the UK is the US's 'poodle', when events last year proved you wrong. The UK voted against going into Syria, and the US had to scrap those plans.
Not bad for a country that you purport isn't powerful or has any influence, is it?
So stop trying to put your own little prejudices forwards as facts.
@124
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like the French I have had many nice holiday in cap d'antibes and juan les pins. I am particularly enjoying the fact that they pain 100 million pounds towards the design of our new aircraft carriers because they intended to use the design as a basis for their own, but then they looked at their bank balance and Sarkosy decided against it. Particularly 'gauling' if you pardon the pun :-)
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Apr 02nd, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No its not a fact. France is simply short of heavy cargo transport planes for the scale of operations its undergoing in North Africa and thats it. You fail to understand the most basic and elemental concept here: France picks its wars according to its interests, Britain follows the Uncle Sam into other wars out of the American interests.
Why cant you understand or admit that ??
I dont hate America at all, I actually understand them, I understand the French but not Britain.
Nobody in the world likes a sucker and a boot licker. Everybody knows and sees you are. In the world and in your own press.
http://blogs.channel4.com/matt-frei-on-america/is-the-uk-now-just-a-date-for-the-us-on-a-lonely-night/1038
http://blogs.channel4.com/matt-frei-on-america/is-the-uk-now-just-a-date-for-the-us-on-a-lonely-night/1038
I dont understand what does this survey you come up whith even mean ?
Just look at how Obama went for BP, ironically Medvedev gave BP a life jackett shortly after the spill in the Gulf.
http://blogs.channel4.com/matt-frei-on-america/is-the-uk-now-just-a-date-for-the-us-on-a-lonely-night/1038
@130 CD
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are in fact saying, is that France cannot do it alone, and requires help from one of their allies?
Thank you for agreeing with me. Oh and by the way British and French special forces have been working together out in North Africa, and British training teams have been, along side their French colleagues, training local forces.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21240676
Gosh, I know, I just blew you delusion out of the water.
Oh, and all countries pick their wars because of their interests. I'll admit that Iraq was a big fail, but that had more to do with Blair wanting to write his name across history than anything else.
But, as I said, during the Syria debate the UK voted not to get involved militarily, and the US just stopped. Hardly the act of a 'poodle'. More like the act of someone with influence.
BP isn't at British company. Obama, like all politicians, was desperately trying to divert attention from the fact that the company MOST responsible for the Gulf oil disaster was a US one, and decided to conveniently ignore that BP is own by mainly US shareholders.
BP is it's name - Obama was using a bit of the old flannel to try and blame the British - even though it was NOTHING to do Britain. By doing that Obama showed himself to be weak, corrupt and an imbecile.
There will be a lot of oil men who will be funding Republican candidates for many years due to that miscalculation - but as long as some of the great unwashed masses bought it, I sure he was happy.
But nothing you have said matters.
Of course, I can only assume that you are labouring this point to try and distract everyone from the fact that a bunch of numpties are celebrating the start of a war. Now you either support that, or more likely, you are so embarrassed that you want to divert everyones attention.
It won't work.
F*ck you are retarded man!! France has being a influential power in North Africa ever since the mid XIX Century.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im not denying France gets nominal help, but it also recieves far more substantial help from the African Union troops on the ground. Its not an absolut that they depend on RAF transport for logistics. Whether Britain increases its precense in the area it is likely, but it would be a French integral role and undertaking.
BP isn't at British company... Right it just happens to have its HQ in London, it has a primary listing in the LSE, contacts with number 10, a good chunk of the british pension funds where all there at the time of the spill I remember, etc...
Look you are just too stupid. Im not diverting anything I have already commented on the article, and now im just having a go at you and your delusions of grandiour and denial, you bufoon.
The parliament said no to a Cameron miss-calculation in any case, and foremost your own people are tyred of being called the poodle of the US and going to wars that dont serve their interest.
Just look at the raitings on the comments of Max Hasting's article. Look at those best rated.
I mean what have you got out of all this licking really??? 7/7, body bags, houndreds of billions of pounds spent, Woolwich attacks, all the Abu Hamzas, lose of international prestige and now when the real big guy flexes its muscles in eastern Europe there is no political nor social interest to stand up to them left.
And I know you guys like to beat about the Falklands and Argentina, sure Argentina doesn't even have radars covering its borders, but in the world stage you ain't as tough, macho and respected as you claim to be here against us. Maybe this is the only place you have left to bolster yourselves.
@130 CD
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL you've lost the plot, you've lost the point, you're upset that we don't all immediately agree with you.
Tut, tut resorting to swearing is a sure sign that you know that you are talking bollocks and are so very, very desperate for people to agree with you.
It's very apparent that you don't understand the capabilities of the British OR French militaries, you don't understand that logistics involved in undertaking a military operation, especially when they are beyond your borders, and it's painfully apparent that you'd cannot accept the fact that allies actually work together and aid each other in common cause.
The fact that the UK parliament voted no regarding Syria shows how well our democracy works. The people of the UK don't see it as the be all and end all of everything (although you apparently do).
You also don't understand that the UK doesn't require every single person or country to come out at publicly state support about the Falklands. We know we have that support.
Only countries with low self-esteem and self-respect require constant reassurance. Countries like Argentina.
The British know that we are in the right over the Falklands. We couldn't care less if ANYONE else in the world agrees with us, we don't require it.
You also appear to be inflicted with that Argentine disease where you cannot understand why an ally will stand by another ally if there is nothing immediately in it for them. With you it's ALWAYS got to be something for something. No one can possible do something out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they truly believe it to be the right thing to do. With you it's always 'what's in it for me?'
Well that's peronism for you.
Actually I resort to insults when I know Im right and the guy opposed to me is argiuing the hind leg off a donkey.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEP, FFS, YOUR OWN BBC LINK that you posted talks about one or two C-17s and a merchant ferry to help out in Mali and with this you claimed that France is dependent on the British assistance.
You see I talk FACT, but if you cant even get that one right how on earth Im going to take you any seriously when it comes to much more complex issues like the US-UK relation and France's unquestionable independent from NATO tradition.
France FYI has being a country that has being at a almost permanent war with continental Europe since the early 1500 right up to the collapse of the Napoleonic Empire in the XIX Century.
All your gibberish doesn't impress me at all. I think you should get a job at wrighting Miss Universe “world peace” speeches... There is nobody as anti peronist as I am. go ahead and ask Axel arg, think or DanyBerger, you have no clue of what you accuse me of. But Im not naive as how to politics actually work. But go ahead suck up uncle Sam's balls, be my guest but dont complain if you are not respected and refered to as a poodle by the rest of the world.
@132 CD
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again you MISSED the point.
You stated that the French didn't need anyone. Well it's obvious, even from your own posts, that the French require allies in order to do what needs to be done. Oh and I NEVER said that France was dependant on British assistance - that is how YOU'VE decided to interpret my comments. I said that France required British assistance - which they did. Allies HELPING each other out.
You can't fight a war without ammunition, food or medical supplies.
The French didn't have enough transport planes to keep up with demand, so they turned to their allies.
As for the countries in Europe, well FYI they've been fighting each other for longer than the 1500's. Most historians agree that France didn't become a true country until about mid-late 1400's. The reason is that France was divided into many Dukedoms (such as Normandy and Anjou), and the Dukes of Normandy and Anjou were the King of England - who also believed that he had a right to the French throne.
My God you really don't like it when people don't agree with you, do you? Immediately you fall into swearing and personal attacks. In your mind you MUST have EVERYONE agree with your perceived 'pearls' of wisdom, and when they don't you lose it.
Tut, tut. You aren't very good at debate, are you?
By the way I DON'T agree with you. That is my right. You don't have to agree with me, that is your right.
So grow up.
Oh, and what do you think about the travesty of your fellow countrymen celebrating a war?
Perhaps you could try to stick to topic? I mean it's not like there isn't another thread where you can talk about your views on the UK/US alliance and your love affair with France, is there?
@CabezaDura2
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say to me...
“Do not confuse the professionalism of the British armed forces and its real capabilities...”
Then in your next post you reply to Britworker
“You are a kid with the biggest gun but dont know how to use it, and you get to be abused the same”
Do I really have to reply you?
Anyone seen the news about the new Falkland Islands banknote coming out in Argentina?
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's on BBC online. ...
Or you have amnesia or you are a pathological LIAR
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leprecon No 126
“And yes France wouldn't be able to sustain it's operations in North Africa without the assistance of the British.”
Leprecon No 133
“Oh and I NEVER said that France was dependant on British assistance - that is how YOU'VE decided to interpret my comments”
And No, I dont think that a country that fought the Habsburgs of Spain and the Holy Roman Empire, Savoy and English/British encirclement for almost 300-400 years depends on you guys for there campaigns in North Africa. I dont think that France needs to suck up to the Americans like Britain does for this same reason.
Futhermore you are like a 8 YO kid that likes to suck up to the big guy in 8 th grade but doesnt get to be respected in the class. So now you come down to 4 th grade and start bolstering yourselves in front of 4 YO kids.
I will admit that they dont call me a hard head for nothing, but to claim that I dont like people disagreeing with me is your own personal interprettation that comes from your own incapacity of proving me wrong. I will remind you that I have posted a comment in No 87 about the subject, from there I moved on to a topic that was presented by someone else.-...... and as you couldent tolerate that people call your country a lapdog or you were jealous of the French independence you intervined, and as you are incapable of proving me wrong you now want to stick to the Malvinas/Falklands.
LOL, what a tool !!
“LOL, what a tool!!”
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, resorting to name calling, that will help.
@ 136 CD
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said France couldn't sustain operations in Mali without the assistance of the British. They asked for British assistance, but they also could've asked one of their many other allies for assistance too.
So, ipso facto, they are NOT dependant on the British, but they do require the assistance of allies.
It's all in the wording I suppose.
Why don't you discuss this topic on the US/UK interoperable thread? It would be more relevant than this thread.
What do French military abilities of the past have to do with their military abilities of today?
Why do you always try to put your opinion forwards as if it were fact?
You called me a liar. I haven't lied, have I?
You demand that everyone fall in line with your own very biased opinion, and you demand that they believe every word you type, and then you resort to insults when they don't.
It is you that is acting like a child. You come across as a racist and intolerant person, and sneer and are rude to those that don't agree with you.
You know very little about British military capability. You know very little about French military capability. And you apparently know NOTHING of the military alliance that Britain and France have signed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325863/Britain-France-sign-historic-50-year-military-agreement.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325863/Britain-France-sign-historic-50-year-military-agreement.html
That agreement is the main reason we are cooperating with the French in Mali. No one has doubted France's military capability (except apparently you - making you feel like you have to leap to their defence), but operations of this kind are very expensive, and sharing equipment, especially aircraft, logistics and intel is the logical thing to do.
Again, it is you that doesn't appear to understand what alliances are. You perceive it as a sign of weakness, when it is in fact a sign a strength and maturity.
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look I dont care a rats f*ck if you consider me childish, arrogant, rasict or intolerant. Something that I am however is honest, independent minded and factual and smart( which you are not), I prefer that and have all those negative things you claim I am but not Im not biased nor politically correct minded.
You are a outright liar... Now why is it people are so dishonest when having a debate??? Dany that doesn't fill in the lines of my comment in “Do not confuse the professionalism of the British armed forces and its real capabilities...” When he knows exactly what follows and what I mean and then you outright LIE when I have clearly showed your OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION and RETRACTION from your original point???!!!
How can I discuss the points with a throughback like yourself when...
You ignore France's military tradition, its history of fighting the world alone, and its entirely different foreign policy than the UK's.
You deny the UK is a lapdog of the US
You deny and ignore your own press comentators like Max Hastings a falklands correspondent veteran that has followed with careful detail British involvement in the world and the politicians use of the armed forces since then.
You lie in claiming that BP is not a British company
You fail to provide any gain that your own country gets for being the US lapdog and backside licker appart of course of, body bags, God knows of the hundreds of billions pounds spend, terrorist attacks, loss of prestige, terrorist incitment. etc
You see you are a bufoon, a liar and a tool.... Come on then use these insults to cover up for your own impotence and delusions that have being destroyed, victimize yourself. It the only thing you know how to do.
What operations in N.Africa are we talking about ?
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I know the N.A. countries are Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt.
The French asked for assistance in Mali as they did not have enough transports to move their troops and equipment The RAF also deployed a Sentinel spy plane to assist them. This was agreed under mutual defence agreements with France.
The French Armée de l'air frequently takes part in joint exercise in Britain along with the RAF and other friendly powers. This is to ensure joint inter- operability. There are also pilot exchanges between the two Air forces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ-0rEvlTIY ............for Brasileiro !!
Joint Warrior
The exercise, which started on 25 March, involves more than 35 warships, 25 different types of aircraft, and approximately 13,000 personnel from the various nations taking part, including Turkey, Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Denmark, and the US.
Note that France is involved.!
We fought in two world wars to help the French when it would have been easy to sit on the sidelines and say it was nothing to do with us.
I don't really think we gained much from either except keeping the cemetery keepers employed in Belgium and France.
We could argue on the subject until the cows come home
Historically France has always always had a much larger army than Britain. As an Island, Britain depended on the Royal Navy for it's defence. With the abandonment of both countries overseas colonies, the need for large armies was reduced.
The question now for both countries is what level of defence do we now need to protect our strategic interests. I don't think even the politicians can answer that one.
If anything flares up it is likely to involve India, Pakistan, China, Japan,
Korea and the Far East. Apart from Australia and New Zealand I don't see Europe being involved.
@138 CD
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would classify as rude, arrogant and obnoxious, but I'm sure lots of people find those characteristics fascinating.
Nothing you have posted has proven me to be a liar. You are rude and cannot take criticism, that much is apparent to anybody who reads you posts.
You appear very angry for some reason. I don't know why. You cannot stand it when someone disagrees with you, and I as said in an earlier post, you then resort to insults. Now that is childish, isn't it?
You obviously DO care what people think about you, which is why you are so very desperate for everyone to agree with you.
How sad.
BP isn't a wholly British company. It was once, but the majority stakeholders are now foreign. Only 40% of the shares are owned by the British. So it can hardly be classified as British, can it? Hence why they changed the name from British Petroleum to BP. That was after it merged with an American oil company.
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/just-how-british-is-bp/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Again you try to force your opinion on people as fact. No I don't believe that the UK is the US's lapdog. You do, that's your right to have as your opinion, I don't and I have the right to my opinion. Why is that concept so difficult for you to understand, especially as you espouse yourself to be so intelligent?
You mention Max Hastings, but fail to mention that all you are espousing is his opinion too. His opinion isn't fact either.
I have to wonder why you feel the need to tell people that you are intelligent and honest. Intelligent and honest people don't need to do that. So I'm wondering who you are trying to convince. Me or yourself?
And yet as always you resort to insults and not arguments to try and prove your points. It's not what intelligent people do.
So how can anyone take you seriously?
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the British version of “Stevie/Guzz”...You have being proven a LIAR in your own face and keep on denying...Denial denial and denial. True Goebbles style .
Leprecon No 126
“And yes France wouldn't be able to sustain it's operations in North Africa without the assistance of the British.”
Leprecon No 133
“Oh and I NEVER said that France was dependant on British assistance - that is how YOU'VE decided to interpret my comments”
“You appear very angry for some reason. I don't know why. You cannot stand it when someone disagrees with you, and I as said in an earlier post, you then resort to insults. Now that is childish, isn't it?
You obviously DO care what people think about you, which is why you are so very desperate for everyone to agree with you”
Really why is this so?? You dont like what I have said so you come along you are disgusted and cant stand what I was saying. You have a go and you fail... And now you claim im trying to enforce my views on everyone else.....
Projection anyone???
It doesn't matter where the shares owners passports are from ( they are more or less the same % of British and American share holders)
“BP plc,[6][7][8] sometimes referred to by its former name British Petroleum, is a British multinational oil and gas company headquartered in London, England.” (Wiki)
But as you put it.. Chelsea Club must be a Russian club because the owner is Russian.
Im not asking you to agree with Hasting's opinions nor mine, Im asking you to adress any of the facts he is pointing and you are unable. You neither answer any gains you get for licking the american's backside.
So Mr Bufoon enough said.
@142 CD
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you haven't proven me to be a liar. I said that France couldn't sustain it's operations without assistance. How is that a lie? Tell me?
Maybe my wording on my 1st statement assumed that you knew that the British were helping out France, hence why I said France couldn't sustain it's operations in Mali without Britains assistance. But as I later said, France could've called upon any of it's allies to assist, but they choose the British because of our defence alliance. If France could've done it alone, I'm sure that they would have.
I'm not sure why you find that so difficult to understand or why it makes you so angry.
I agree with you about BP, it does have it's headquarters in London, but it's CEO is Swiss (or Swedish can't really remember exactly), and only 40% of it's stock is owned by British investors. So not a British company. It's a multinational.
So again, not a lie.
I've read Max Hastings, which was a push for me because I don't like reading the Daily Hate. I wasn't impressed. Just a lot of speculation and him putting his opinions forwards, with the usual scaremongering that we've come to expect from anyone who writes for the Daily Mail. The fact that you agree with him is irrelevant to me. What is relevant to me is why you appear so desperate for me to agree with you.
Adults can agree to disagree. They don't need to resort to insults.
However, since you do need to resort to insults I can only assume that you are immature.
Added to that is that you seem to have very low self-esteem since you need to have everyone agree with you.
I'm fine with my self-esteem. Your rude name calling, whilst childish, is amusing (sticks and stones) but doesn't affect me at all.
Anyway bored now. You've wound yourself up pretty much over nothing so I won't comment on here again.
No doubt you'll be back to spew forth a few more insults whilst becoming rabidly angry, but I won't bother to comment anymore. I'm worried about your blood pressure.
@91 Jose
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas Retreat.
After getting our asses kicked,
we have not forgotten.
The Falkland Islands, never Argentina!,
cries the roaring wind and the sea.
Neither of those horizons
our teaching they must take,
because its white is in our flags
and our underpants are stained.
Argentina absent, and defeated
by the Falklands flag
no more RG beloved soil;
As our fracking ruins it!
Who speaks here of forgetting,
waiver, forgiveness? ...
Of our dead brave comrades
We refused to carry home!
Break the mantle of methane mist,
Invading Filmus's arse.
Las Malvinas, argentine
In fairy fantasy land!
And in the face of the sun of our emblem,
Pure shining from your ass,
Shine oh fatherland!,
Just like our mate Hitler said!
choir
To honor our emblem
for national pride,
Ushuaia, rabid shithole,
The Argentina pearl southern
143
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well thank you for finally throwing the towel..
Since lately your comments have become 80% about me it doesnt come as a surprise.
As I said I dont care whatever you think of me or say of me i.e childish, arrogant, rasict or intolerant provided that I know I'm independent minded, honest, factual and smart... And YOU choose to make a big deal about the last adjective. I wonder why....Anyway FYI Im perfectly fine, but thank you for worring so much about me and my health
And no, LIARcon because those statements are a contradiction in terms. Its no wording whatsoever. If you would have meant what you now rectify you would have simply said France is getting some British assistance with the logistics in Mali, not that it wouldn't be able to sustain operations, that is a completaly different thing.
You keep on attacking the messenger, Hastings in his “Daily Hate” article (the same tabloid you have soursed the new Anglo-Franco treaty) talks about facts and backstabing like the Suez Crisis or the predation of BP by US politicians and lawyers... He could have also abunded in vital American-Irish support for the IRA for years. And he addresses a central point, you have got nothing out of it and you ignore this matter and prefer to talk about me instead and the “Daily hate”. Just like the Ks attack Clarin...
Ignore France's traditional independence and self confident attitude for a minute. Just Look at Italy and Spain who withdrew from Irak... Were they expelled from NATO, don't they have missile cover from nuke attacks?? Dont they still enjoy military exercises ?? Do they need to put in massive amounts of money to corrupt Afghan and Pakistani politicians that end up lifting huge skyscrapers in Dubai... LOL I dont think so. You also have the americans telling you who to waste your own money with
LOL, You as well as some other Brits..You know you remind me a lot to the attitude of a wife in denial who is cheated and walked over by her own husband.
hey CD
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't have too much respect for the French ...after over a hundred thousand French soldiers had been rescued at Dunkirk, only three thousand joined de Gaulle's Free French to carry on the fight....
The rest went back to occupied France....
says it all really....
Because most of those French troops were quickly send back to fight in France, but by the time they arrived France had already surrendered.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moscow burned before French troops. Only the Mongol Golden Horde can claim also that.
@ 144 Pete Bog
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I LIKE it! :o)
@148
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ta-if only I had spent more time on it....
Who speaks here of trouser wetting
From Ghurkas. Paras, Marines,
Of our dead brave comrades
We refused to carry home!
Break the mantle of methane mist,
Invading Filmus's arse.
Las Malvinas,( Sourgrapes),
In fairy fantasy land!
I do hope Jose likes it...........
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Cd....surely you have heard of scorched earth policy...Stalinn did the same thing...
Moscow was burned by Russians....mostly by Count Rostopchin....
The event was confirmed by General Armand de Caulaincourt in his report...
”The existence of inflammable fuses, all made in the same fashion and placed in different public and private buildings, is a fact of which I, as many others, had personal evidence. I saw the fuses on the spot and many were taken to the Emperor.' He goes on to write 'The examination of the police rank-and-file… all proved that the fire had been prepared and executed by order of Count Rostopchin'.
...as for the mighty French troops...well we all know what happened to them three years later.....18 June 1815.....
150
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure....Do you know how many battles France won against la perfide Albion ??? The same very state you pay taxes to and governs you was is directly descended from a French government and monarch
151
Apr 04th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are referring to the Normans as French....you might want to check out who the Normans were.....a clue is in the name...
I'll save you some time....
”Rollo (c. 846 – c. 931), baptised Robert and so sometimes numbered Robert I to distinguish him from his descendants, was a Norse Viking who was founder and first ruler of the Viking principality which soon became known as Normandy. His descendants were the Dukes of Normandy, and following the Norman conquest of England in 1066, kings of England.
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Apr 04th, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Normans in 1066 talked in French, they had a feudal government system while the Saxons where still pretty much barbaric still, the Normans fought on horseback and used Charlemagne's tactics. The Vikings fought on foot and raided villages and coastal settlements.
In England you understand this part of history as just a change of kings, its not, its actually the incorporation of England to the Frankish Charlemagne Empire
153
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try...you were talking about decent....the Normans were Viking......no way to change that......
They eventually ruled most of France through the Kings of England.....they were not French....sorry....
The King of Scotland was also a Norman...Robert the Bruce or rather Robert de Brus his family came from North Yorkshire...Skelton in particular....previous to that...Bruis...Brix, Manche..lower Normandy.
154
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really?? Its easy... How many Vikings settled in Northern France?? Here is a clue there were French folk in Normandy by the time Rollon came.
In genetics.. you would have to do a test to see if the Hardy -Weinberg equilibrium was broken. But it is a historic fact that England's Norman Kings talked French, fought like the French, brought a French government system and subsequently imposed it to the Celtic nations of the islands whom they conquered.
Ergo just like the low countries, the principalities of Germany, Lombardy and the rest of Nothern Italy where united and submited to the Carolingian Frankish empire and adopted a fundamentally French system, England and the rest of the British islands were incorporated 200 years later
155
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many Vikings settled in Northern France??
Is that relevant..?
How many does it take to dominate an area...?
Apply the same argument to the Roman invasion of Britain....three divisions...about 45 thousand men.
Apply the same argument to the Saxon invasion of Britain....
Evidence suggests the total settlement of Saxons was 25,000....whilst evidence from the Roman occupation suggests there was a population of 3 million Britons...
So when you say Saxon England is that true.....
The descendants of Rollo and his followers adopted the local Gallo-Romance language....doesn't make them French...
France didn't even exist at the time it was a mixture of.....Scandinavians, Hiberno-Norse, Orcadians, Anglo-Danish, Saxons and indigenous Franks and Gauls....
....try telling Hrolf Ragnvaldsson (Rollo), that he and his descendants were French...
What is interesting is the English language doesn't have a word for surrender.....that particular word is French.....
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Apr 04th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because for you to come along and say the Normans were essentially Scandinavian 100 years after Rollo or (Rollon in French) arrieved is just your opinion and Im skeptical about it. Its not about how many Vikings dominated the land especially when the Duchy of Normandy was gifted to him by the King of France.
In genetics it's far more complicated to determine. You would have to know and have good data as how many of them migrated to Normandy, how many locals there where and if there was random crossing, etc.
Generally Norse and Scandinavian features like red hair or bright blonde hair and blue eyes are resesive if they cross over with more southern types
#37 A_Voice
Apr 04th, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It refers to the 1812 war with Britain...which they started and never won....”
well... yea... But we didn't lose either! :-)
And come on... You guys were really itching for a rematch anyway! Goinig around and kidnapping our sailors and all that silliness!
We kinda look at it like a little kid just kicked the ass of the biggest bully in school... the little guy just knows that sooner or later that bully is going to come back at him. So... Might as well go on up to the bully and get it over with! Beat each other to a draw.
Then they become inseparable buddies.
PS - My wife can see Ft. McHenry from her office.
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Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah true enough...it is hard to determine....
They did a DNA project in the UK to find where the highest concentration of Viking decedents were, they were surprised by the results. they thought it would be on the coasts, it was a place called Penrith near Carlisle in the NorthWest of England...
Did I mention my Grandmothers's Grandfather was displaced by the aftermath of the Napoleonic wars. After the surrender, the French territories were split and areas that had been French went back to other countries and they became homeless...
To you it may be just European history and wars...to me it's family history.....
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Fair enough....but it makes good argument and never fails to get one or two Yanks biting....;-)
Driven through Maryland loads of times....and I love pronouncing it Mary...land instead of “Mariland”....that also gets one or two biting..;-)
And BalTmore... versus the “correct” Balmar.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its not just european hstory for me neither, I have ancestors in La Grande Armée....So yes I woulden't be slighly biased as I am regarding the French Army
Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@159 A_Voice,
Apr 04th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Rick from Maryland,
l've heard Americans pronounce it as “Murrilund”. l also said Mary-land, to get a reaction.
As l'm part French, l have an interest also.
l don't think the Normans were pure Scandinavian.
Rather a Scandinavian-French mixture.
You don't just change your language for no reason & in such a short time.
Oh!
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The genetic pool of Britons flows again and always with a lot of crap created by their fantasy tales propaganda done for their crown like Victoria.
An Englishman is a Spanish mixed with Italians from the south talking another version of the old French language and that pretend to be German because some of my ancestors went to the Islands for tourist reasons.
The rest of the Britons are Gallegos (Celtic) from northern Spain.
Until diversity comes for them of course from the middle east, far east and Africa.
That’s all...
c'est la vie garcons, c'est la vie...
jeez..
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't know why I even bother to check in anymore.
you lot are so off topic I might as well log-in to
“ Mars - who was first? .com ”
Presumably this time the brave invaders won't be kicked out after a few weeks.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let us really, really respect the veteran officers from the Falklands War, like Captain Pedro Giachino, who was the first Argentine soldier to be killed in the war.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let us honor and respect him as one of the torturers in the Mar del Plata naval base - a true Argentine hero.
It's all in the Argentine archives: Officers were selected to the Falklands war if they were good torturers.
Rear admiral Carlos Büsser said that he had elected a captain to take part in the operation on the islands “He had to be a good professional, with a strong personality — with some experience in the war against subversion”.
Büsser, who headed the Argentine troops landing on the Falkland Islands passed away in 2012 while he was being investigated for his role during the last dictatorship in Bahía Blanca, Buenos Aires province - another true Argentine hero.
(156) A_Voice
Apr 05th, 2014 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“What is interesting is the English language doesn't have a word for surrender.....that particular word is French.....”
I say...:
Yield...?
167 Think
Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Origin of YIELD
Middle English, from Old English gieldan; akin to Old High German geltan “to pay” or “repay”
First Known Use: before 12th century
I still say.....What is interesting is the English language ain't got no word for surrender.....
...got to use a word that means something else
Your Kelper oil shares are not going to Yield millions...;-)))
@168 A_Voice,
Apr 05th, 2014 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are not immune to surrender, no nation is.
We've had defeats, but we've had a lot of victories also.
Life for all nations has its ups and downs,
Only the malvinistas, it seems to me, are the ones who cannot get over their defeat.
Get over it, malvinistas, move on.
we should all be very careful now
Apr 05th, 2014 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has been brought to my attention that a new landing craft has been in development over the last few years in Argentina, and it could be how they intend to invade the falklands.
Basically its a form of hovercraft.
Timberman is going to ask CFK to explain her personal finances, then flip her upside down, so her botox infused lips inflate, then several thousand soldiers will sit on her ass, and float over to the islands
As for weaponry, i did hear there could be gas attacks after she was seen with a lot of garlic and scabby meat
I think if Argentina didn't exist the average world IQ level would probably go up 30 points. Does anyone know if there are genetic or environmental reasons for them being such dumbasses?
Apr 05th, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice
Apr 05th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact all the “English” and “Scotish” nobility was all French even centuries after the Norman conquest. All the Generals Hugh de Vere, Lord Henry Percy, John Talbot, Simon de Montfort, Henry de Bohun, The Scottish most important clans the Bruces as the Balliols where of French/Norman origin.
Hell you can even say that the hundred years war was a French civil war
@172 CD,
Apr 05th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose you could at that.
How far do you want to go back?
lf you believe in Adam & Eve, then all of mankind is related & all wars are civil wars.
(instead of “all of mankind”, l nearly wrote “the whole world” but thats too malvinistic, the language of the deranged). lol!
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Apr 05th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the battle of Hastings to the Siege of Calais you have a clear range of time and events from where you can say that English nobility and aristocracy thought of itself as fundementally French
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Apr 05th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ruling class were Norman....hence the different names for animals in the field and animals served to the Norman table....
English...........French
Sheep....Mutton (Moton)
Cow.......Beef (boef)
Swine.....Pork (porc)
Chicken.....Poultry (pouletrie)
Yet they were a very tiny minority....the soldiers that fought would be English...
There is a very simple test to ask an Englishman...
.....“1066 who won them or us...?”
....the answer is almost always......them
Of course the nobility, the knights and aristocracy, high clergy were French. The soldiers, serfs and vassals would and the rest of medieval society would have being English.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet I would remind you that early Angevin Armies would have being mostly French and even later Plantagenet armies in France also had Burgundians, Gascons and Bretons in their ranks.
(168) A_Voice
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm…..
.......If we are to accept that there is...: ”No Proper English Word” for “Surrender”……….
Then neither are any ”Proper English Words” for “Victory”, “Achievement”, “Triumph”, “Accomplishment”, “Conquest” nor “Success”…. ;-)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=victory&searchmode=none
PS... (For the Argie Pied-Noirs)
The French were just the Romans “Homeboys”....
As the Brits were the Vikings “Homeboys”...
watch out, Penguins have been spotted moving on the beaches, get CFK to safety, it must mean the islanders are going to launch a penguin attack
Apr 05th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or are they nukes, rofl
175 A_Voice
Apr 05th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”English.......... French
Sheep............... Mutton (Moton)
Cow.................. Beef (boef)
Swine............... Pork (porc)
Chicken............ Poultry (pouletrie)”
I say…:
Proto German…. English......... French...:
Schaap………...… Sheep............ Mutton (Mouton)
Ko/Kuh………..... Cow............... Beef (Boeuf)
Svin/Schwein... Swine............ Pork (Porc)
Kyckling………... Chicken......... Poultry (Poulet)
Very good, Think.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a chocolate coated smartie & a cigar.
@177/179
Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the fuck are you on about, Think?
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Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong... The French are directly descended from a confederation of Germanic tribes that conquered Roman Gaul, yet the Merovingian Kings unlike the Goths, Saxons, Vandals, Burgundians, Lombards and so on did take care of the refined Roman women that were left behind thats why people confuse French with Italians, they converted to christianity and adopted a lot of the good and useful stuff the Romans left behind.
May I remind you that the German unity, first German Statehood and the civilization of them (Barbarians) who had not being submited nor converted by the Romans in 400 years, was bone by Charlomagne in a generation making this Frankish King the true father of Germany.
(180) lsolde, sweetheart...
Apr 05th, 2014 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would prefer a nice cup of tea and some homemade scones...
Do you bake?
(182) Caradura
Teeny Weeny Frogs...;-)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/02/french-emperor-napoleon-bonaparte-15-inch-penis-_n_5076644.html
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Apr 05th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh envy....
Would you guess that after 200 years and no blood flowing that should be normal, but a leftist british tabloid and a commie Sweedish Italian Argie had to pick up on it
Swedish- Italian......... Moi?
Apr 05th, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#La Patria. I agree 100% with your comment.
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