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Apostle Matthew and the Falklands/Malvinas controversy
A Falkland Islands supporter has sent the following caricature referred to the alleged “double standards” to which Argentine president Cristina Fernández and former Senator Daniel Filmus, head of the Foreign Ministry Malvinas Affairs office, repeatedly invoke when discussing the Falklands/Malvinas dispute and the policy of ignoring the Islands population and their rights. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNotice the indigenous peoples at the back of the poster - all gone - no doubt kidnapped by pirates!
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 They are called the disapeared. According to Liberato on the other blog there were no indigenous people in Patagonia, who would have thought it?
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mostly gunned down by the “heroes” of General Roca in the 1860s and 187os- women and children as well by all accounts.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there a national holiday in Argentina for their murdering of their indigenous population??
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have many statues and coins commemerating the great General Roca a ruthless bastard by all accounts.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have many statues commemorating churchill, lord kitchener, and other beautiful personnages.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they reinvented slave traffic, concentration camps, and massive killings.
the “best” thing is they are still doing all that shite in the 21st century.
and then they talk about double standards.
the uk is so funny.
At last we agree on something. beautiful personages being the operative word.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.originofnations.org/British_Empire/The%20Sun%20Never%20Set%20on%20the%20British%20Empire/The%20Sun%20Never%20Set%20on%20the%20British%20Empire_files/world-br.gif
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could probably make some similar caricature statement featuring this.
@9
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the year is?
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Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask our ironic hypocrite caricature drawing imperialist condemner of hypocrites.
You can put a crowd of Africans, Aborigines, Indians, Inuits and Asians in the pic tapping our artist friend on the shoulder.
@11
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0And once again, Vestige misses the point.
Where are the Brits in the foreground clamouring to usurp somebody else's homeland?
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 012 - why do they have the right to have it as their homeland.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is of course something ritualistic about these speeches and statements. Googling news stories across the world it is clear that the global impact of all this noise is pretty minimal. Even in the UK the anniversary today received virtually no coverage . It may be a big deal in Argentina but elsewhere? Who cares? who's listening?
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas thing is a part of Argentine culture but no one else is really interested. Look around the world, there are so many real problems that most other countries are simply bemused by Argentinas obssesion. There are simply more important things to be thinking about.
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think there is a computer (Rich_Martin) sending automatic repeat messages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS: He/It likes saying 'Yes' a lot in German
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0MP - see what I mean?
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The banal and shallow charges of “genocide” of native peoples by Argentina is simply an example and, clearly, the result of ignorance about the history of Argentina, that have some malicious sectors, with evil intentions.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is perfectly applicable Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz poem´s:
“Foolish men who accuse women without reason,
without seeing that are the occasion about the same as you blame.”
Please, go to back school and study some Argentine, and LaTam, history......if you want to accuse an entire country of Genocide go deep in history.
Otherwise you will be an embarrassment !!!
Vestige says:
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You can put a crowd of Africans, Aborigines, Indians, Inuits and Asians in the pic tapping our artist friend on the shoulder.”
Which, for the Aboriginals at least, would put Australia doing? What land are we trying to “recover” or colonise?
We know our history. It is our shame not Britain's. At least we are not hypocritical like Argentina. We did not dispossess people of their land while complaining that we had the same happen to us.
@19 Hi pgerman, I understand where you're coming from about ignorance of Argentine history.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0To avoid the merry-go-round references to Roca, could you explain his Conquest of the Desert to help enlighten everyone? i.e the causes and the effects. Thanks
@14
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because they and their forebears have lived there for 180 years.
Because modern international law gives them the right.
Because nobody has a better claim.
I hope that's clear for you.
@16 La Patria
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think we can ever know whether Rich_Martin is a bot or not. There is a test that is supposed to be able to distinguish between human intelligence and artificial intelligence, however the test does presuppose that there is some intelligence to test...
To be fair it was a vicously sharp slice of mango blackadder.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once again the Argentine monks come out of the monastery to complain abt the brits,
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh if only we were so honest, truthfully, peaceful and as popular as the Argentines,
Still,
As long as they speak with a forked tongue,
They will always be destined to go to hell..
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Given that TMBOA cannot speak English, I think it’s safe to assume she cannot read it, so it’s down to someone who can to tell her the meaning.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now who do we know who likes his balls ripped off, because that is the likely result of telling TMBOA the truth?
Plus the caricature is far too generous in depicting the argies in such an attractive way. :o)
@5, @13, @17: Why is it that people who do not know what to write have to use capitals? It's the same when you hear someone shouting?
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Richbot
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“PIRATES GO HOME !!! STOP !! END OF THE COLONY !!! 2014 !!!!!!!!!!!”
Does Europe want 40 million Argentines returning? Argentina can keep their Spanish colony.
@14
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because we beat the shit out of you moron
This is so pathetic and sad it is cringe worthy. I feel embarrassed for the British. Surely the British can organize better propaganda than this.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The thing about propaganda is that it should not be obviously so. And it should be addressed to the target audience so it might help if it was in Spanish at the very least.
For an example of a professional propaganda operation see:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-secretly-created-cuban-twitter-stir-unrest.
Well it certainly seems to have provoked a response from at least one person on here.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now what was that you were saying about the aims of propoganda?
#30
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who said it was sent in by a Briton ? Anyway, it is a joke.
@19/30. Please. I am very much familiar with European conquest of the new world from both the First Nation and European narratives. Both are sordid tales. The problem is your eternal double standard. While no one is perfect (to say the least not the US or UK who are the frequent target of whataboutery by Malvanista apologists), Argentine's false Malvinista mythology in the face of its own concurrent actions while settling the Southern Cone wins the cupie doll and sends sensible jaws outside the bubble hitting the floor. No matter how you spin it, you are on a mass grave shaking your hypocritical fists at a couple thousand people for saying “No” to you who are too far way to do what you did to the last large demographic of people who said “No” to you. The last time you landed on their island and held guns to their heads, they still said “NO” and you were then humiliated and sent home in defeat by the people with whom they'd rather associate. What happened with the settlement of the Western Hemisphere is something we would not countenance today with modern sensibilities (but strangely you just can't stop). Likewise, we can't turn back the clock to return the “new world” back to the first nations and their tribal governments cultures and religions who originally settled it before the Berengia went under. Meanwhile, you lost the Falklands round of the 19th century five-year-old futball game that all the european and post-european powers were all too happy to play, and you loved it when you won (Easy when they are just armed with clubs, spears and arrows or you out number 1500 civilians with 10,000 armed soldiers and secret police with “files”). But OH when you lose....
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get. Over. It. (Or be an adult and take it to the ICJ so THEY can say “NO” to you for the umpteenth and final time so the Islanders can live in peace and you can move forward and focus on your own countries problems that desperately need your attention free from the Malvinas distraction.)
@ #2
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They are called the disapeared. According to Liberato on the other blog there were no indigenous people in Patagonia, who would have thought it?”
Well it would help explain how Argentina was actually capable of winning a war...
@ 30 Hepatia
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You bare faced liar, you hate the British for reasons best known and kept to yourself.
@21 La Patria
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just to start, the “Desert Campaign” was launched and finished during Nicolas Avellaneda presidency. It also was limited to the Rio Negro river as the southern border of it. There are plenty of good books about it, so go ahead on your own...
KELPER´S ARE HOMELESS !!!! JAJAJAJA
Apr 04th, 2014 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0PIRATES
GO HOME !!!
END OF COLONY JAJAJA
COUNTDOWN = KELPERS = HOMLESS
@36 pgerman
Apr 04th, 2014 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seen this new one on Amazon: The Generation of 1837: Attitudes, Policies, and Actions Toward Indian Populations of Argentina (Mustful, C. 2014)
Here is the blurb:
By the year 1880 the Indians of the vast plains region known as the Pampas in Argentina had been almost completely exterminated. The defeat over the Indians by the Argentine government was a long process largely influenced by the works of a group of elite intellectuals called the Generation of 1837. This essay evaluates the literary works of the Generation of 1837 and links those works to the actions taken against the Pampas Indians throughout the nineteenth century. The justification for the conquering and extinguishment of the Pampas Indians was influenced through the racist attitude of the Generation of 1837 disclosed in their literary works.
Recommend it or any others?
@37 Computer
You forgot the “2014” bit
Argentina's uncomfortable truth of existence.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 this is all you can get? That's it?
Apr 04th, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fisrtly, there were not “Pampas” as a group. Thye were not like the “Mapuches”...“Pampas” was a generic name given to several cultural identities in an extremenly vast territory.
If you check pictures of the Argentine Army and of the tribes at that time you will see that all the chiefs (and other members of the tribes) wore militar uniforms. They were named captains. leutenants, etc...and paid for that. This was the way Argentina found to integrate them to the country. Check..there are plenty of picturtes..
The Pampas finally disapeared by two causes: Either by mixing with europeans or by mixing with mapuches. The result was that Pampas finally extinguished as a cultural identity. If you compare the “mapuche” invasion was more violent than the european occupation by far.
If youy are really interested in Argentine History I would suggest that you read “Excursion a los Indios Ranqueles” (from Lucio V Mansilla) and ”En los confines de la Tierra (from Thomas Bridges) and Coliqueo El Indio Amigo De Los Toldos (from Hux).....this is just to start. There are plenty of other serious books.
In addition, the called Generation of 1837 was the most brillian of Argentina. It's currently criticized simply because being compared to CFK (and other fascist peronits leaders) would be quite sad for her.
#40 they are all strangely dead though and Argentina is 97% European.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the same can be said of the British in India British people inter married with the local population and that is why India is now 97% occupied with Europeans with the Indian ethnic group virtually extinct. Add this to the British in China leading to the extinction of the Chinese and you can see how much more respect Argentina had to the people they colonised during their years of imperialist expansion.
You continue your crimes into the 21st C as remnants of these people still live in Argentina and there is a whole wealth of evidence from human rights groups about how the few that are left are being dispossessed and the government is complicit with business ignoring the countries own laws in this.
When will Argentina do what the British did in India and return the land to the natives and send home their colonists and their descendants?
@41...for God's sake you are even more ignorant than “La Patria”....
Apr 04th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many Indians (in millions) were in their land? How many British arrived the Indian continent (in millions)?
How many native people were in the current Argentine territory (in millions)? How many europeans arrived (in millions)?
It's simply math....
The issue is that you hate Argentina so anything would lead you to the very same conclussion. Genocide..no matter that you cannot prove it. No matter that there are no human remains. No mass graves...any way who care?
By the way you might know that mapuches' maps claim not only the whole Patagonia but also the FI....
I'm sorry but I am bussy so as to answer stupid things..... once finishing reading the three suggested books, please, let me know. I will suggest you additional ones
42 pgerman
Apr 04th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The population of black Argentineans was 22%, where are they now?
@42 The issue isn't that you are implanted population. The whole western hemisphere culture is implanted, there are no fully sovereign first nation blocks there at all. There is no turning back. The issue is you wagging fingers at another “implanted” population that did not supercede any evident first nations folk or the sole reason that you lost ONE bout of a larger kid's swarmball game that every european power played to win at the time. And Argentina did pretty good in that game; you won territory through unapologetic expansion like everyone else. Look at your neighbors and look at you. You are the second larges south american country. And you didn't get that way by peaceful treaties and buying out the natives with baubles and pokemon cards the way was cleared for you and by you. It was through conquest, colonialism and squatting -- like every other modern state in the hemisphere. When you win, and against the first nations it was pretty easy, “Hooray” From your fellow european colonialist and post-colonialist states you still did rather well, “Hooray!” When you lose. You scream and kick “no fair!” And then when you have an independent globally-monitored body that can make a clean decision based on the facts on the ground and case law and the principles of human rights, your government refuses to go. Because it knows it has no case.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're done with the Falklands. Heck, your government has effectively vacated the proper conduits for taking them from the Islanders and the UK. They aren't yours. They aren't going to be yours.
Move. On.
@43 From where is that you get that there were 22% of black population in Argentina?
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The land that is now Argentina was among the poorest of the Spanish Empire so there were little black population becuase even the rech Spaniards were poor compared to other colonies. Take for instance Bolivia or Peru that had gold and silver mines so they need slaves to work there.
There is a veru good book (“Maldita Guerra”) written by a Brazilian historian (Doratioto) about the Triple Alianza War that he mentioned that it is not known from where the Revisionistas got the leyend thatArgentina had some companies of black people that were sent to the battle fronts with the purpose of exterminating them.
SO what's your point?
@44
Apr 04th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there is anything more comically unfounded than the Argentine claim to the Falklands, it is the Argentine claim to the moral high ground.
THE TYPICAL HYPOCRITICAL LECTURE.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that many people in this website love reminding us about the genocide that our originary populations suffered, when the argentine state started exercising our sovereignty along the vast argentine territory, and it's obvious that you do this, because your purpose, is to invalid our claim for the islands, making your usuall too partial lectures.
While it is true that our originary populations suffered a terrible genocide, especialy when a son of a bitch like julio roca decided to occupy the huge patagonic territory, beside, he wasn't only a killer, he also reimplanted slavery, due to all those indigenous people who survived after the genocide, were forced to work as servants at the houses of the richest families, on the other hand, their lands were distributed among the 300 richest families from buenos aires. Anyway, it's also true that despite that genocide, our constitution includes the claims and the rights of our originary brothers, in it's article 17th of chapter fourth, which is a true historical reparation. Although it's insufficient, due to some of our indigenous populations are still victime of powerful masters who try to expeal them from their lands, in order to plant soya, but unless, the argentine state doesn't exclude the claims and the rights of our originary brothers. This is something very different from the british posture, in relation to our claim for the islands, due to the u. k. has never made any historical reparation for argentina, for having deprived it of exercising it's rights over the islands, and it happens, because although many of you don't want to accept it, in some aspects, britain still behaviours like the same thief of XIX century.
@45 yes there is.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the idea that a nation, either Argentina or the UK, can be an evil country to be blamed for alleged crimes against humanity. On top of everything, allegations without any historical base.
In addition, I would like to read your opinions about mapuche maps that show FI as part of their original territory...
@48 But you don't have the moral high ground to claim the Falklands and it's NOT because of the settlement of the Western Hemisphere. That game of “Risk” is done. It's because a concurrent people who have been there for the same era as Argentina (we're talking over 175 years) DON'T. WANT. YOU. RULING. THEM. They could be independent. They could be ruled by Brits. They could be ruled by Martians and be happy with their little green friends like they are with their current buddies and it would not make a difference in 2014. Do you have a business plan for what to do if some bizarre twist to the universe happened and they became yours? Could you project a force to protect it if some other cocky power, Americans, Russians, Brazillians, South Africans, Folk Singers Who Play With Guns, heck, lets go out on a limb and even offer up an Independent Scotland, decided to take it for themselves since you couldn't manage such a strategerific jewel? How do you plan to earn the trust of the islanders when your government refuses to visit them let alone sit down with them like they could have last February? Face it. This just isn't a good plan for you when your country needs to and deserves to get its own house in order, the one it has now, so it can go back to being the envy of the Southern Cone. They aren't yours. They aren't going to be yours. Get use to it. Get used to *them*. Make the most of what you have.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Apr 04th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“suffered a terrible genocide”...where are the mass graves of the people killed during the goncide? Have you seen them?.....bla..bla...bla....bla....
Gossips invented by the revisionistas (Peronists, fascists and catholics) that hate liberals who were the best governments of Argentina.
Fantasies and inventions such as the Gaucho Rivero, or Juan Manuel de Rosas facing Empires .... all without any historical basis ...
As Mentioned by the media, “Sarmiento, Mitre, Roca are combated by revisionistas for what they did well.” Such as limiting the power of the Catholic Church, educating the people, combating warlords and organizing a modern state with a National Constitution which was the seventh oldest in the world.
After the U.S. Constitution that Argentine National Constitution is the oldest of all America...that's terrible !!!!...what a crime...no more re-elections..no more great leadres...just presidents controled by the Chambers and the Judicial Power.
How hatefull is all of these for Peronists and Catholics ....
For #30, who describes this as “British propaganda”, the cartoonist who drew this is an Argentine graphic designer.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Axel is still getting it wrong I see, Vernet accepted a full and final settlement from the British Government for assets left in the Falklands
I would like to read your opinions about mapuche maps that show FI as part of their original territory...
Apr 04th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“suffered a terrible genocide”?...where are the mass graves of the people killed during the goncide? Have you seen them? Were they found?
pgerman
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0As stated in my post, I only copied the blurb from the book.......if you're peeved at any errors take it up with the publisher or the author or even Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Generation-1837-Attitudes-Populations-Argentina/dp/1300169184/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396667255&sr=1-1&keywords=1837
If you look inside there is this extract at the end of the introduction:
“The Argentine elite, led by the generation 1837, supported and diffused racist actions, attitudes and policies toward the native and indigenous populations............Over time Argentines adopted the views of the Gerneration of 1837 and, through their words and works, justified actions taken against the Pampas Indians”
It's interesting reading this and then reading your comment that the Generation of 1837 were “the most brilliant of Argentina”.
I may be ignorant, but I'm not brainwashed.
Thanks for the book recommendations though, I'll have a look.
Axel
Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Historical reparation,....how about 1982....when Argentina invaded.
our historical reparation was ONLY to recover the Falklands to the rightful owners.
Had we wished for full reparation....we could and should have bombed all military targets in Argentina. We could and should have sunk the entire Argentine navy, we could and should have made sure no future generation in Argentina ever muttered “Malvinas”
So, rather than believing you are “owed” something in the Falklands history, quite the opposite is true....the COMPLETE OPPOSITE is true.
Argentine OWES Britain due to its terrible crimes both in 1982 and since....I'd be more concerned about that “historic reparation”
African nations with a British colonial legacy are much more productive than countries with French or other history.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This, the team adds, correlates with superior enrolment levels in higher education among nations once ruled by the British.
The scientific legacy of colonialism in Africa
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/ip-tsl031914.php
@ 22
Apr 06th, 2014 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Because they and their forebears have lived there for 180 years.”
And if the question was asked 180 years ago. What gives you the right ...the answer would have been...bigger guns and an empire.
That same means of having 'the right' has been in place since their arrival.
The truth has always been whoever can hold it through force the longest owns it, which fair enough is GB, but just at least be up front about it.
What of the rights of those who were kicked off, those whos camp was destroyed. Theres never been anything moral or righteous about ownership of those islands from any side. Foreign gunboats, removal, plantation, and force is the only history.
But let us follow your thinking, when shall we see the Chagosians return ?
“Because modern international law gives them the right.”
Nobody has or does or will recognize them as anything more than planted markers by the de facto British admin. They have many rights by law, being a state or a people is not one of them under international law. Look the world sees the situation for what it is. A colonial leftover which Britain seems determined to shoot itself in the foot over. Britain is foolishly letting key decisions be made for the entirety of its own population by 2500 of its own people. Galloway is right on this, would a highspeed rail network be decided by such a population. Even a normal rail line or motorway....how much more important Britains entire latam relations.
82 was indeed stupid, up til then the British govt was looking to share the place for logical reasons. Those reasons remain.
“Because nobody has a better claim.”
Well Argentinas claim is long standing, maybe Arg could have had a better claim if a navy from 14,000 kms away wasn't preventing it throughout the centuries. What of Argentinas inheritance of the islands from Spain. How Britain got its hands on a given place is so often and conveniently disregarded.
Focus turns to current rights of the planted population wherever it may be.
Britain inherited the Falkland Islands after Spain.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is written in the secret Last Will and Testament after the Spanish Armada.
None of the states in ex-Spanish America inherited anything from Spain. As we all know they took Spanish America from Spain by force. You don't inherit from those you have robbed.
Vestige
Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What of the rights of who were kicked off and who's camp was destroyed”
It seems that you have misunderstood your history, perhaps that is why you believe in your warped claim.
No Falklands camp has ever been destroyed by the British. I fear you may be confusing this with the USS Lexington raid some years previous. Nothing to do with the British at all. The remnants of the Vernet community, run by two British gentlemen in 1832/1833 were all encouraged to stay.
Those “kicked off” in 1833 had only arrived 6 weeks earlier, had already mutineed, murdered their captain, and raped his wife in front of their children. If anyone (in 1832/1833) were attempting to usurp/colonise it was more likely them.
As far as inheritance from Spain is concerned, again utter garbage, if any Latam country inherited the islands it is Uruguay. The Sapnish vacated the islands in 1811, the inhabitants left to fight the BA uprising from Montevideo...doesn't sound like they considered themselves Argentine does it???
Perhaps if you learnt your history rather than believed made up fairy tales, youd see that Argentina itself is more “stolen lands” than the Falklands ever were....stolen lands you still keep because of a Spanish Empire with bigger guns...otherwise the indigenous people would like it back.
Your hypocrisy is gobsmacking!!!
@56
Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are describing how virtually every state in the world has achieved its current borders, and most particularly virtually the entirety of the American continent, with the sole exception of the Falkland Islands, where not one life was lost until 1982, and we all know whose fault that was.
I agree with you about Chagos. It's deeply, deeply, unfair that the UK would expel one lot of islanders to please the United States, but won't do the same thing to another lot to please Argentina. My heart bleeds for poor, poor Argentina, really it does. Or at least it would if Argentina wasn't weeping for the same thing while simultaneously claiming the moral high ground.
Modern international law does give them the right, and this will prevail as long as they are an NSGT. There is quite simply no legal route by which Argentina can acquire the territory except via the ICJ, and we all know that's not going to happen.
It is quite simply not true that the world supports the Argentine claim. Most of the world couldn't care less. Of the remainder, Argentina can count on lip service from its fellow implanted Italo-Iberian colonial populations, but no more than that and not from anybody else. Virtually everybody supports dialogue and peaceful settlement, in the sae way as everybody supports motherhood. The only exception, of course, is Argentina itself, which already chose war once, and only supports dialogue over the Falkland Islands insofar as Falklander Islanders are excluded from it.
It is naive in the extreme to believe that the UK is allowing 2500 people to make all the decisions. The UK will continue to support the Falklanders because Argentina is so blindingly stupid that it makes any other course of action unthinkable, except of course among crypto Stalinists such as yourself and the blessed George.
The presence or absence of the RN has no bearing on the validity of the Argentine claim, which is what it is: a joke become a neurosis.
@53
Apr 07th, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The called “Generacion del 37” makes reference to those who were among the most brilliant intellectuals of the country and shaped the political institutions of Argentina. Persons such as Alberdi, Sarmiento, Mitre, Echeverria, etc were those who had the ideas that were embodied in the National Constitution of 1853. This was the seventh constitution of the world, the second one in the whole America and the first in LaTam. They were all illuminist, liberals and, most of them, freemasons so, hardly ever they could be considered racist, as a group with racist ideology.
Of course, being analized with today's eyes we can say that they had misconcpets and made mistakes but most of them were the result of their times.
Take for instance that they considered the indians a “sterile race” because they were not willing to work the land and were the cause of plenty of misfortunes. Please, don't forget that, on op of everything, the “indians” were mapuches who violently invaded the East of the Andes.
By the way if you visit Boston, please, don't miss the chance of seen Sarmiento monument there.
@61 pgerman
Apr 07th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course, being analized with today's eyes we can say that they had misconcpets and made mistakes but most of them were the result of their times.”
Nothing like the dastardly Brits with their Anglo-Satanic looting, raping, pillaging, murder, piracy, stealing and whatever, then?
@61
Apr 07th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you suggesting that these are my concepts about the United Kingdom? or the British culture?
You know quite well that I think just the opposite.
@60
Apr 08th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good points......it shows how a lot of current problems (and arguments on here) are caused by us today judging what happened in the past, instead of focussing on the future and finding solutions.
@56
Apr 10th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The truth has always been whoever can hold it through force the longest owns it, which fair enough is GB, but just at least be up front about it. ”
This is how Spain conquered Latin America-by force.
“What of the rights of those who were kicked off, t”
Some of those who were expelled were tried by the BA authorities and executed by firing squad as they had murdered their commander in 1832. No one was kicked off-they were given the choice.
“But let us follow your thinking, when shall we see the Chagosians return ?”
I hope they are returned to the group-even if it is not Diego Garcia-but allying themselves with Argentina will work against them.
The Chagossians would be better off getting the Falkland Islands and other BOTs on their side.
“82 was indeed stupid, up til then the British govt was looking to share the place for logical reasons”.
But the stumbling block were the Falkland Islanders interests which the UK could not ignore.
Forget Roca and the events of 1860 , Amnesty International are highlighting racism , marginalization and discrimination against aboriginal communities in the present day :
Apr 11th, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The report can be read here : http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/indigenous-peoples-argentina-we-are-strangers-our-own-country-2013-08-09
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