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Falklands' MLA Short to Cristina Fernandez: “how low can you get”
An exchange of tweets between Falkland Islands elected member of the Legislative Assembly Gavin Short and Argentine official Daniel Filmus has caused uproar in Argentina because the MLA describes as “rather sick” the “celebration of a brutal invasion of innocent civilians”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTrust me MLA Short, CFK and her cronies are much lower than that....they are raping the Argentine public day after day after day...and laughing at them whilst imbeciles such as axel arg, Jose and Dany are happy clapping them....
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im glad MLA Short is not afraid to publically complain about the sick actions of the Argentines
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again they show there really is no level too low for the argentines to sink to
“celebrating a brutal invasion of 1.800 civilians and taking their freedom away. Only in Argentina”
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuff said really
KFC... you must be ssssooooooo proud.
Hey, CFK! The truth hurts doesn't it?
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only in Argentina would people celebrate, and indeed be encouraged by the government to celebrate, and terrible act of violence committed against innocent people, by a regime that they purportedly disagreed with and opposed.
'We hated the Junta!' 'But we were happy that they were willing to invade and steal someone else's land and ethnically cleanse the people there.'
'We didn't agree with the war, so we celebrate it and to show how much we hated it we've reenacted it on the 32nd anniversary. We won't, like civilised country's, commemorate the end of the war and cessation of hostilities whilst remembering all the war dead, no we'll just celebrate - making a big party out of it - the act of war that lead to their deaths.'
Pathetic national socialists.
If KFC or Filmus responds to Falklander's tweets does that mean they acknowledge their existance??
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Short, if you want to find out just watch Periodismo para Todos
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirates go home ! Stop ! End of the colony. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2014 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have Argentina ever apologised to the Falkland Islanders for the illegal invasion in 1982?
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you analyse CFK it is not hard to conclude she really is rather stupid and utterly without class.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“MLA Short insisted that “celebrating a brutal invasion of 1.800 civilians and taking their freedom away. Only in Argentina”.”
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fucking kings of murderers, invasions, bloqueades, are the ones accusing Argentina of taking freedom away. Only the british.
And im not talking of britain imperial past, lets name Iraq for instance,
1 MILLON IRAQIANS DEAD!!!!!!! becouse Blair thought there were weapons of mass destruction that permitted them to invade a sovereign nation, to murder innocent civilians and exploit their natural resources.
Very democratic.
But you're just fine, “Liberato,” with celebrating your version of the Invasion of Poland (I guess you think the Nazis liberated Poland, Denmark, Holand and the rest too?), holding the Islanders hostage as human shields when the brits came, holding guns to their heads, planting scores of land mines indiscriminately, and of course sending in your Gestapo as if they owned them like they owned gullible fools like you who STILL celebrate them on a 2-peso coin and then tell us the boldfaced lie that you oppose the Junta while celebrating its greatest triumph.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever, Malvanazi.
Gface, you are too indoctrinated. Im not from the nazy Germany, im not from the red Soviet , im not from the axis of evil of Bush.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think the british were the freedom defenders that saved a population from a fascist military junta. The defenders of justice, freedom, democracy and all the words you think your government represent.
Your government were worms, that supported that military dictature, that sold them weapons, that colaborated with them in the cold war. And when we went to war, britain continued to support dictatorships like the chileans.
But one thing is for sure, our dictatorship, that tortured people in clandestine prisons, and killed them, and dissapeared them were fascist and above all, not elected by the people, and did the same thing your militaries are doing with terrorism world wide, with the difference that we did elected them and you did elect your government.
How many cases has the US/UK about torturing prisioners or suspect of terrorism?, how many are identified? how many secrets concentration camps are in the world for these tortures?. Do you know what is happpening in Diego Garcia military base?.
Argentina should be ashamed. Well said Gavin
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/326953933989277/
Thatcher welcoming a dictator in Britain and Blair letting him out. You should be more ashamed. 1 millon Iraqians dead!!!!!!! shame on you.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Stop pretending you oppose the Junta. You mint it. You spend it. You own it. Where are your protests in the streets over the 2-peso coin. Where are your protest of the new paper note? The quirky english even protested the recent pound note brouhaha over being more inclusive to women but had no need to protest the purge of York or other historical embarrassment. But you? Fascist commemoration on display -- with no consideration as to how bad it makes you look. And it makes you look VERY bad.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clean your own house. Condemn the invasion and the crimes your country committed therein. Meet with the Falklanders like adults like they were ready to last February when your foreign minister ran from them like a coward (and condemn him for passing up his Nixon Goes to China moment) but DID meet to let bygones be bygones (who is anyone kidding) with the Iranians with the AIMA bombing. Then you can go painting us all who oppose your government's morally bankrupt policies on the Falklands as Brits and Americans with your hypocritical whataboutery.
The US and UK don't celebrate invading Iraq (either time). But you celebrate doing to the Islands what the Nazis did to Poland. And for of all things just to keep the Junta in power for a while longer.
And you should be ashamed.
@ Liberato You are just as sick as the rest of your country men who invaded South America and killed all the indians, and that was not enough so you tried it with the Falklands and Chile which failed. Never again.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me tell you something. First it was not an invasion. The islands are not a foreign land, you just seems to think the islands are falklandeshians while Diego Garcia islands are not Diego Garcians. But reality is that for us will always be argentine. Second, Nobody is celebrating. We argentines from all political parties, do not celebrate this date. We conmemorate it. I remember in the 25th aniversary of the war, your government invited mine to celebrate the “freedom” of islanders while refusing to end the dispute. So get it strait, we are not celebrating, we are conmemoriating. But you are another culture and i respect you celebrate wining a war. Having killing the enemy.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders are for my government and for the world, british citizens. Ergo why you ask my government to recognize british citizens as representatives of a government the UN dont recognize?.
@Liberato
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Judging by the anti-war protests in the UK at the time; the contempt for Blair and the UK parliament's decision not to back the US in Syria, I would say most Britons agree with your point.
The difference is that they, unlike Argentina, are not celebrating their error with re enactments, national holidays and printing notes commemorating their folly.
@Liberato get this straight, we were here before you exsisted! If we don't belong here, then you don't belong in that place over there you should go back to italy or wherever you came from.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Condorito, not celebrating, conmemorating.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands islands, where you said you were before i existed? in south america?
@Liberato
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/01/malvinas-war-veterans-plan-symbolic-repeat-of-falklands-invasion-in-ushuaia
can you explain this??? is this how you commemorate?
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17, Good Grief. You just can't stop digging, you might hit oil before those plucky Falklanders. It was “Not an Invasion” like Germany “didn't invade” Poland or Czechoslovakia. The Nazis “took what it was 'theirs'.” And so did you. You haven't learned a damned thing in all these decades. So much for “commemoration” and reflection. It's sour grapes and dining on ashes of the fascist junta who LET.YOU.DOWN. and the Islanders who live free and happy despite your having “liberated” them with secret police and guns pointed at their heads.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think you are morally in the right, maybe you should ask your government why it's not taking such an obvious case where such things are supposed to be dealt with -- the ICJ. But in your deluded heart of hearts you know why. You have no moral right to the Islands since even before 1982. You have no legal right to the Islands since even before 1833 (let alone 1850 when you signed it away). You have no right whatsoever to the Islands. The Islands are the Islanders and no hemming and hawing about splitting “people” from the land on which they've lived or the rest of the Malvanista bogus narrative will change that. If not, prove it. The ICJ awaits.
If you think otherwise walk away from the keyboard, get a picket sign and start protesting outside of the useless window-desked Filumus's posh offices and tell him to be a man, and put up, take it to the ICJ or shut up and start talking to the Islanders like neighbors and not the “19th province of Iraq” which nobody believed either. And if he doesn't you will know that your life as a Malvanista is a Lie, and you can grow up and start demanding a more adult foreign policy.
the Argentine pirates are home............. in Argentina, after being booted out of the British Falkland Islands after they invaded our territory and that's the way it will stay!
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland islands, as i have read, there would be indeed a symbolic reconstruction of the even of the landing. Last year was a marathon, and the other aniversary was a sailboats race. In Tierra del Fuego is where most veterans goes to conmemorate the fallen each year, at this same place. You may like it or not,
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if those veterans would like to praise the military take over are in their right. Here in Argentina you can find people that are in favour of the military junta, people that are in favour of the islanders. People that have liberals ideals, conservatives, communist, etc. Thats what every democracy has that form part of the diversity of our nation.
But from there, to say that we praise the junta and its take over you evidently dont know our government.
Today for all argentines is not a working day this day is the “ Dia de los veteranos caidos en malvinas” day of the fallen on the Malvinas war. And you only need to see our newspapers web to read that.
In President Kirchner speach of today, she was accompanied with the members of the victims mothers and granmothers of dissapeared in the dictature. So trust me when im saying nobody here is celebrating a dictature.
Stop reading mercopress will you?.
@21/25 Just like when the Germans annually reenact their “justified response” to the Gleiwitz Incident every year. That's always a headline event.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0People like Liberato out there is a solid reminder why MPA exists in the first place.........
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liberato- sorry Gavin is right on target - your Govt and its followers are at the bottom of dungheap when it comes to commonsense and moral decency.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for who was here when- my family have been living in these Islands since 1843 and helped build them from an empty nothing land into the community and thriving self supporting economy we are today.
Answer me this- How long do you have to be living in a country before you qualify to say this country if your home and birthright.
Answer me please.
That idiot over here at last year,s Marathon - that was zero to do with commemoration - and 100% to do with a public insult to the war dead of 100 years ago in a war that did not concern Argentina one little iota.
I will tell you a bit of truth and reality about Commemoration. In 2007 the Royal Navy invited an Argentine Navy vessel to join a British one at the spot where the Belgrano went down and take part in a joint commemorative service for the war dead on both sides. Your side refused the invitation!
Dont talk to us about commemoration - you don't even understand the word.
Come over here in December and see how commemoration is done - when there will be British and German Navy sailors here in the Islands- and the direct descendents of the opposing Admirals in 1914, to commemorate the horrendous loss of life on both sides in the 2 battles of Coronel and the Falklands.
Irrelevant who was accompanying Kirschener- what is important is what she said- and that those people stayed there and did not have the guts and decency to walk out when she said it all - that tells us all we need to know about the real
Argentine!
I cant believe im reading a british talking of moral decency!!!!. may be in between the frontiers of England. Do you think it is a moral decency to have invaded Iraq with 1 millon iraqians dead becouse some guy told Blair Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?. Do you see a moral decency the support of dictatorships?. Do you have a Pinochet street right on the islands next to thatchers street?. Do you regard Pinochet as your savior as thatcher regarded him?.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The islands were not an empty nothing. It had its capital Puerto Soledad or Port Saint Louis before your nation invaded and moved the capital for what you name Port Stanley. May be you were teached that nobody existed before you british, but for your information there was life before you brits.
About this day, i remind you it is a commemoration, not a celebration, We dont think any war should be celebrated. But we do respect that you do celebrate winning a war.
About your question is relative. You can move to antartic and feel it like you home the second day you live there. I have no doubt you consider the islands your home and i respect you fight for your home. But the fact is the islands are south american islands, the waters that suround them are south american waters, you have south american nations as neighbors BUT you are not south americans.
If you ask me, if you want us in the long term to accept you as another south american neighbor, to cede our sovereignty rights to you british, My advise is that you have to be a south american nation, as simple as that. And controling your inmigration, making your south american neighbors go there only to do the work you dont wanna do, controlling militarilly the whole south atlantic, ambitioning the antartic, exploiting the oil from London you will never be one of us.
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liberato - by your own argument about South American territory and waters, that makes families from any European descent in south America illegal occupiers......it belonged to the indigenous people first.
Otherwise, at what time in history did the term South American exclude certain European settlers?
There cannot be any difference between generations of families living on the islands and generations of families living in Argentina and other South American countries.
Also, your long-term idea may have become a reality had not there been a war. What would the politicians in Argentina do if there was no military on the islands? Exploit the resources themselves.
New graduates from the University of La Campora.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0As deluded as ever.
Though nice to see an Argentinean finally accept that the military junta was their own fault.
@Liberato
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Stop reading mercopress will you”
So you disown the fascist junta but share their views on freedom of the press!
Can you tell us honestly, why are you scared to go to the ICJ? Your only possible prospect of getting the Falklands is have the ICJ rule that they are yours - and yet 70 years of the ICJ have passed and still Argentina won't lodge the papers. You appear to believe that the islands are legally yours so why not prove it in court and get them? I mean you must have a really strong case or else you would have moved on by now? And how do you explain the constant demands for negotiations and yet when everyone was in London and ready to negotiate Timerman refused to show up? My view is that Argentina is very good at making demands but when it actually comes to going to court, or negotatiating or fighting a war it is scared and weak. Am I wrong?
MP - please see my comment from another article:
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may need users to enter a verification code.
I think there is a computer (Rich_Martin) sending automatic repeat messages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS: He/It likes saying 'Yes' a lot in German
@29
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The islands were not an empty nothing. It had its capital Puerto Soledad or Port Saint Louis before your nation invaded and moved the capital for what you name Port Stanley. May be you were teached that nobody existed before you british, but for your information there was life before you brits.”
You are absolutly right the French were there before the British, but the French aren't trying to claim it are they. After the French and the British (who never dropped their, far earlier than the Spanish, claim) and the Spanish (and not you didn't inherit the Islands from the Spanish) there was the private venture by a Frenchman and his English 2IC who got permission from the British to be there and then a 3 month garrison from the United Provinces that killed it's commander.
Argentina's total claim to the Falklands. A 3 month garrison in charge from the United Provinces and a 74 day invasion by a junta that you “don't support”. Obviously you have a much stronger case that 180 of peaceful settlement (not including the original settlement), that must be why you are going to the IJC, oh wait.
The Argentinian government is supported by these blogs- no matter whether for or against the regime. The Ploy is to keep the subject in the international arena (however limited that may be) in the hope that dialogue- of some kind- will eventually take place, but before this regime collapses under its own internal political diseases.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0#10 Liberato
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're a liar.
1) Iraq clearly had weapons of mass destruction in its recent history given the documentary evidence of their use, by Saddam Hussein's government, against civilian populations in the 1980s and 90s. I should also remind you that Saddam Hussein started two wars of aggression/expansion costing more than a million lives. The biggest crime was not ousting him after the first Gulf War.
2) Your claim of 1 million dead is wrong, or at the very least, very selective. Most of the estimates for the number of civilian dead (including those defined as excess deaths) are in the range of 100,000-200,000. Most of these deaths are attributable to sectarian violence. This violence is largely driven by decades of oppression of minorities by the Ba'athist regime (c.f. The Syrian Civil War, which has now cost ~100,000-150,000 lives in a much shorter space of time, with no clear end in sight*).
3) You are correct that the US and UK did indeed support dictatorships, however this has to, to some extent, be viewed in the context of the cold war.
4) As to your assertion that the coalition invaded to murder civilians and steal their natural resources that just demonstrates how little you understand, and how blinded you by hatred of the UK and US.
I must admit, I opposed the war in Iraq at the time (though supported the war in Afghanistan). In light of the Arab spring (in particular the Libyan and Syrian civil wars) however I do wonder if it was in fact justified, at least in hindsight.
But... what has this got to do the Falklands and Argentina's present day expansionist ambitions over them?
Uk has done some truly monsterous things in its past you dont get to create the worlds largest empire by being nice iraq was a monumental mistake.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The falklands were taken by the british when rocking up and taking countrys was standard operating procedure it isnt now hasn't been since 1945.
The Juntas main problem is they couldnt persuade the islanders that life would be better under argentine rule. think about that argentina was so hopeless that neglect from 8000 miles away was still seen as a better option than a “helpful” junta.
Just a little point,
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those who accuse the nasty British in Iraq,
First of, Britain was NOT the only country in the Iraq conflict, yet somehow always gets the blame from disgruntled argie blockheads,
2, and even more interesting, Britain voted against action over Syria,
And the slaughter goes on, on the bases of the first accusations, these same Argies should, if they were not just anti British, should thus praise the British for not only staying out of the Syrian conflict, but this decision also led to the Americans stopping its threats to bombing, them,
And the French went very quiet,
We don’t always do the right thing,, but we do try,
But for some ungrateful, anties, no matter what we do , we will be condemned,
Just a thought.
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know what is happpening in Diego Garcia military base?
You obviously do, so, please tell
If not you will no doubt be able to produce something from your imagination.
By the way, poison gas is classed as a weapon of mass destruction.
Correct me if I am wrong, did not Iraq have large stocks of this and used it against the Kurds and Marsh Arabs.
Yes they did..
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Liberato,
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0l am not even going to argue with you.
l do not care what you think.
The Falkland lslands do NOT belong to Argentina & NEVER have.
lt is NOT Argentine territory, it is OURS.
And WE will decide who is allowed to emigrate here, NOT Argentina.
And if you don't like it, too bloody bad.
Go and do your crying elsewhere.
ldiota.
17 Liberato
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it wasn't an invasion, then why did you have to do it with 10,000 troops with guns?
Your advice to us about our becoming another South American nation is the first and only sensible thing you have said on here. It might happen one day. There might be a day when we decide to become independent. But it will be our choice and not yours.
Meanwhile, everything your country does ensures that that day remains far far away. You actively prevent us from developing closer links with the rest of South America, and ensure that the British presence is necessary for our security. Well done.
I was just on the USGS (US Geological Survey) website looking at updates for the latest after-shocks in the north when by chance I noticed that the Falklands are labled as:
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) UNITED KINGDOM“
Going east along the archipelago the other islands are named as:
”South Georgia UNITED KINGDOM“ and ”South Sandwich Islands UNITED KINGDOM”
I often hear on this forum some Argies say that the world recognises their claim - shouldn't someone inform the world's pre-eminent Geological institute about this?
Nice One Gavin-at last an MLA with guts!!!!
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With MLA's like you that fight back-Argentina will continue their great song:
We keep on lying, we keep on lying, we'll keep the white flag flying.”
About your question is relative. You can move to antartic and feel it like you home the second day you live there. I have no doubt you consider the islands your home and i respect you fight for your home. But the fact is the islands are south american islands, the waters that suround them are south american waters, you have south american nations as neighbors BUT you are not south americans.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you ask me, if you want us in the long term to accept you as another south american neighbor, to cede our sovereignty rights to you british, My advise is that you have to be a south american nation, as simple as that. And controling your inmigration, making your south american neighbors go there only to do the work you dont wanna do, controlling militarilly the whole south atlantic, ambitioning the antartic, exploiting the oil from London you will never be one of us
Wow. love the geographical proximity argument. So you support all the Caribbean islands and Bermuda as belonging to North America? And you would support them all belonging to the United States based on geographic proximity? That's wonderful! By the way, how exactly do you define who or what is South American? You have to be Hispanic? You have to have a third world standard of living? You have to have the ability to throw political dissidents out of helicopters? Perhaps the Falkland islanders are the TRUE standard of what a South American should be. And everyone else on the continent has failed to live UP to the standard.......
The proximity argument always was bogus. To quote the ICJ:-
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0; ”..it is evident that by no stretch of imagination can a point on the continental shelf situated say a hundred miles, or even much less, from a given coast, be regarded as “adjacent” to it' - North Sea Continental Shelf Cases, International Court of Justice, 1969.
@46: “By the way, how exactly do you define who or what is South American? You have to be Hispanic?”
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That pretty much IS the crux of it. It's about not tolerating The Other living freely among them without their “gracious” permission (mighty white of them). The did it to the first nations people though forced conquest and explicit and cultural genocide, and now they have The English Problem. Even independent Guyana doesn't get off; CFK's bird-talking fascist out-in-the-open dictatorial BFF in Caracas can't stop wanting to take most of Guyana despite having it settled long long ago. Scratch a fascist, and true enough there is always a racist underneath.
“How low can you get?” Reminds me of the classic line in Mississippi burning... 6:25
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVlmenGrLc
The madcap regime in Buenos Aries Defies a US Judge
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Watch Argentina Defy a U.S. Judge
http://www.atfa.org/
49 CJvR
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They remind me of the vision seen by chief Sitting Bull before the battle of little Bighorn............
The dance was the greatest celebration the Sioux nation had ever known. The spring grass was by no lush and the buffalo plentiful, so they filled their bellies and, danced and tested their courage.
Sitting Bull, his body already marked with the numerous scars of previous sun dances, had 50 pieces cut from each arm for the occasion. He then danced non-stop around the sacred pole, staring constantly at the sun. When dusk fell, he continued dancing - through the night and into the next. After 18 hours, he fainted.
When he was revived, he told the tribe that he had seen a wonderful vision. He had seen white soldiers 'Falling like grasshoppers' into his camp while a voice said “I give you these because they have no ears”
I give you CFK, Timerman, Daniel Filmus, the Junta and the entire 1982 invasion force, I give you them, because THEY have no ears”
Argentine comments seem to dwell on the so called continental shelf. Seems that everything within this continental shelf must belong to Argentina.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So explain to us so called squatters how you the Argentine people can claim this continental shelf when you first stole the land joining it from the Indigenous people who lived there long before Argentina existed.
You also say we are an implanted people.
Are you not the pot calling the kettle black because your History clearly shows that what you term your Country does not actually belong to you does it.
It also seems that no matter where one tries to live a peaceful life someone else wants to take it from you.
I believe the real truth to the aggression in the world stems from one source. RELIGEON . Had there not been a religion invented the world would have been a much better place.
I personally was taught to love thy neighbour, but how can I love thy neighbour when all they want is our extermination.
Critics on these comments also refer to Falkland Islanders refusing to allow Argentines in the Country. Well if that were the case why is it we have several Argentine families living here right now. What about the dozens who visit every week. If we did not allow Argentines in our Country how else can we even hope to educate the rest of you in Argentina because it seems you don't know our way of life and it is through these visitors that the truth is told.
You critics would be surprised at the number of genuine Argentines who tell us they are ashamed to be called Argentines because they believe we have a right to live on these islands .
MLA Gavin Short speaks for most of the islanders and I am sure that other MLA's would do the same if required.
Have seen that film before....Daniel Filmus trying to create national unity around a lost cause, by brainwashing.....the Trolls will puff up their sunken chests and rant and rave against the Brits....so, who gives a shit ?? It ain't gonna change anything.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the day of the veteran and fallens of Malvinas, all our respect to them in this commemoration day.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In response to kelperabout #52:
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0quote: “I personally was taught to love thy neighbour, but how can I love thy neighbour when all they want is our extermination. ”
Dont you think you are a little bit exaggerated?. Tell me please who told you that?. That phrase looks like a victim escaping from a murder. since the end of the military dictature, we have always claimed sovereignty peacefully. Our militarys do not take the islands as an hypothesis of conflict. Our constitution prohibits the use of force and all our governments have claimed the negotiations to end the sovereignty dispute in accordance with international law. While at the same time, the british exploit unilaterally the oil resources, they have offensive weapons like submarines, jet fighters and destroyers. The british control military the whole south atlantic and ambitions the antartic and you are afraid of being exterminated?????????????.
Stop the charade.
About what you said that you islanders educate argentines is the most arrogant characteristic of the british people. I feel sorry that you think you are superior or above others. Full your mouth with self-determination, self-governed words. Reality is that claiming those lies you cant change the fact the islands remains being a colony. You cant change the fact you are still considered a colony by the United Nations.
You cant change nothing using those words, becouse until sovereignty is negotiated, you always will be in a disputed land, with a chalenging future.
@55 You tear up join oil agreements and then constitutionally annex the islands like Modern Germany claiming Poland and then scream “unilateralism” (and to remind you YOU are the one that militarized the south atlantic when you once again *unilaterally* tore up 2065 and illegally invaded the islands. Plus you unilaterally walked away from meetings in February of last year in London when all was prepared. You'll talk to holocaust denial conference hosting murderous anti-Semites in Iran and will even send Timerman to do it for you, but TWO reps of the people you want to rule in compliance with UN resolutions that make it clear that you must take the islanders interests into account? No way. Come on. He ran from the Falkanders but gladhands the country that committed the AIMA bombing. You won't take it to the ICJ and everyone knows why.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So there we have it. You vacated 2065. You can't take the islands by force if you wanted to since they are defended because of your unrepentant “commemorated” illegal invasion of the Islands from which the UNSC explicitly ordered to unconditionally withdraw. You refuse to meet with the Islanders and UK in further vacating 2065. And you have no case at the ICJ, the case law is against you and the islanders right to self-determination has been affirmed by the secretary general the 2008 GA vote and as such, your government refuses to take the case to the ONLY people who can override the islanders who the British respect as having the final say as to their status -- as per 2065: the resolution you never read and with which you never comply but aways go on about.
That can only mean one thing.
Face it. Your government does't want the islands. It just needs something to drag gullible and indoctrinated suckers like you to distract form the mess they are making of your country. It worked with your “commemorated” Junta and it still works it seems. What happened to “fool me twice?” Or is it three times? Four? Five?
55 Liberato (#) You say you have always claimed sovereignty peacefully , so tell me why did you first exterminate the indigenous South American Indians from the land you stole using obvious force and murder. Why did you invade my homeland. That was an act of war and aggression and you have the nerve to say you want to negotiate peacefully. You and your dark age followers don't know the meaning of peace.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 056 GFace is absolutely right when saying “Face it. Your government does't want the islands. It just needs something to drag gullible and indoctrinated suckers like you to distract form the mess they are making of your country.”
That has been the issue for decades and was the real reason your dictators invaded our home in 1982. Now you want the OIL. Like I said earlier Religion is one method of causing destruction and the second one is OIL every nation wants it and will go to war to gain control.
I am willing to bet on it that if tomorrow it was proved there was no oil and the fish disappeared Argentina would forget about us and revert to bullying their neighbours namely Chile.
You obviously read few of the comments of various articles on here because on more than one occasion your sidekicks have suggested we should be exterminated. Fact is we almost were in 82 as some of your nasty ones felt they would be better off removing us permanently just like your same fellow leaders did to the more than 20,000 disappeared.
It is for all these reasons we Islanders would prefer to have Britain as our protectorate because we know only too well that should they decide to leave your lot would walk right back in again. British servicemen in the South Atlantic are not doing battle with anyone as you seem to be eluding too. They are here because your stupid excuse for a leader is threatening our existence.
You say we are a colony . I stand to correct you sunshine we run our own affairs and have done so for many years.
Gface: constitutionally annex the islands????. The islands are claimed since they were invaded in 1833, it is the uk who annexed the islands. You are delusional.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0So for you the present military control of the whole South Atlantic by britain is in Argentina's fault? Dont you ever readed about the motives that the british invaded in the first place? to have control of this strategic passage between the oceans? well you got it.
Argentina is looking a way to continue the investigation on the AMIA bombing. You may agree with the way or not. Where ends the british investigation of torture of suspect of terrorism? the investigation of the Iraq invasion?, the investigation of the relations between Blair and Ghadafi?.
About the ICJ, the onlyone to sugest an arbitration of the Malvinas dispute was Argentina several times in the 1880's. The uk of course refused an arbitration.
My government refuse to talk to islanders becouse they dont present themselves as british citizens, they present themselves as representatives of a “self-governed” and “self-determined” “falklands islands”. Reality is that it is a non self-governing territory under the process of decolonization, where its sovereignty is disputed. And the United Nation are claiming the UK and Argentina to negotiate, not that non self-governing territory that the british pretends to be something else. Resuming it, the islanders are people but are not a people different from the other british living in Britain.
Argentina is not saying what the UK have to do, treat the islands as if it were another nation if you like, but dont pretend the UN or Argentina treat them as another nation becouse they are not.
kelperabout, Since the end of the military junta, we have always claimed sovereignty of the islands peacefully. It is even written in our constitution.We have practically no armed forces, we eliminated all hypothesis of conflict. What else do you want?. Militarizing our shores so we drop our fightfully claim?.
@58 “About the ICJ, the onlyone to sugest an arbitration of the Malvinas dispute was Argentina several times in the 1880's. The uk of course refused an arbitration.”
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The ICJ didn't exist until 1945!!! There were offers to have non-formal bodies do the adjudication in the 19th century but given what happened with Venezuela and Guyana who can blame them from walking out when results in the british's/Guyana's favor were and still are blown off. With respect to the ICJ, the UK offered to take the islands to the ICJ in 1947. Remember? You declined. Again in 1948. Let me remind you. You again declined. And in 1955 where the Brits got tired of it all at which point you said you would refuse any judgment.
How can we take you seriously when you say such whoppers and do hilarious levels of cherry picking that can be so easily disproven.
@58
Apr 04th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 01884: Argentina request that the sovereignty dispute is submitted to independent arbitration, Britain refuses. The first mention of the Falkland Islands by Argentina for 34 years.
1888: Argentina lodges a diplomatic protest with the UK, the matter is not raised again with the UK until 1941.
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgement.
Oh let Liberato keep talking & dredging up irrelevant facts(&lies)from the past.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let him waste his time.
Liberato:-
1) we will NOT discuss sovereignty,
2) we are NOT going to give you OUR islands,
3) we don't care what you think or want,
4) its fun to hear you crying, whining, whinging & moaning,
5) just go away.
58 Liberato (#) You again failed to answer my direct question. Why did you People exterminate the indigenous people from their land before you did.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find hard to believe that you can condemn our people for living here when you refuse totally to acknowledge what your Country did . I do not buy your argument that your constitution declares to recover the Falklands through peaceful means when you have place an embargo on us. That in my book is an act of aggression not one of peace.
Also you expect us to simply forget and forgive what your mad people done to us and your own people before 1982. Yet you are not prepared to let the past be the past when it comes to our sovereignty .
You are just like all the other two faced ones that shout from the rooftops but actually know very little. Why I do believe in my life I have forgotten more than you have ever learned. So long as you and your cronies continue to shout the odds Falkland Islanders will never begin to accept you let alone like you.
Wake up idiot this is the twenty first century not the dinosaur one.
Every time one of your lot kicks off about what you think you have lost you present yourself as a world laughing stock. Of course you are not educated enough to realise that you are actually doing our little Country a favour in your medieval antics . Do keep it up. We enjoy watching Argentina making fools of them selves. We call it light entertainment which is free.
Now back to my first point. Don't bother to reply to the comment until you answer why your people removed an indigenous people. Not that you actually need to tell me because I already know why. Same reason you want my home .
@58Liberato
Apr 04th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Resuming it, the islanders are people but are not a people different from the other british living in Britain.”
They look different-their skin is darker than mine.
They have a different accent from me.
They use Spanglish-I don't.
They use different words than I do.
They have South American blood-not much of that here in Staffordshire.
Their tax regime is different.
Their laws are different.
They have amore laid back way of life.
So explain why I (in Staffordshire) am no different from a Falkland Islander?
How are Argentines different from the Spanish ?
@55 Liberato
While at the same time, the british exploit unilaterally the oil resources, they have offensive weapons like submarines, jet fighters and destroyers.
How many missiles have these submarines recently launched at Argentina?
How many ships have these sub marines recently sunk?
The jet fighters on the Falklands are armed with self-defence weapons.
They can only be aggressive if the Falklands is attacked.
Therefore, according to you Argentina plans to attack the Islands.
Most ships deployed around the Falklands (they are only usually there for a few days) are deployed with defensive anti aircraft weapons.
These can only be termed aggressive if Argentina attacks them.
Therefore as you find them aggressive, Argentina clearly has plans to attack them.
The missiles on the Falklands are GROUND. TO. AIR. missiles.
They can only be aggressive if Argentine aircraft approach within 4 miles of them.
As you term them aggressive, therefore Argentina clearly plans to attack the Falklands.
The troops on the Falklands have not (to my knowledge) been inserted into Argentina recently.
They can only be aggressive if the Islands are attacked.
Therefore Argentina plans to attack the Islands.
If the British are trying to control the area and attack you;
Why are there no Tornado GR4s based at MPA?
Why are there only 4 Typhoons based there?
Why are there no surface to surface missiles.
#58
Apr 04th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since I started visiting this site over two years ago I tried to keep an open mind on the future of the Falklands. I thought that over the passage of time relations with Argentina would improve, after all, there must be some reasonable and pragmatic Argentinians . Sadly, I have been proven wrong.
Your government has being following a vindictive diatribe of half-truths and downright lies on the subject.
The Argentinian posters, in the main, have treated the Islanders with thinly disguised contempt...turnips, squatters living in a shit island etc.
From this, you actually have the cheek to think that they would want to have anything to do with people such as this ?
If you were an islander, would you be happy to associate with dross like them !
Kelperabout: My people did not exterminated the indigenous. You are constructing a reality. Indigenous were murdered yes, it was a genoside no different than the genoside of 30.000 of our countrymens. It was an atrocity no doubt, no bigger than the atrocities against humanity made by the british even in this century.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nevertheless, It has no comparison with the islands you are living in.You are not indigenous, dont pretend to be. Dont compare yourself with indegenouse in Patagonia.
The past is not the past when it comes to a colonization of Malvinas, and colonization of the south atlantic by part of britain. Hear this, we will never, ever grant a foreign power the control of our shores, our territory and our sea.
The british made the genocide an art. The british made massacre in every corner of the globe, and you are british, ergo are you that arrogant suggesting we have no right to claim land becouse our government killed aboriginals in the desert campaing?.
Liar-tad, why did you lie through your teeth about Britain not taking Argentina before the ICJ, the first impartial judicial body with global oversight, THREE times and Argentine refusing each time? Why are you now lying about the Conquest of the Desert?
Apr 04th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can those of us outside of the “dispute” take Argentina seriously when you tell such bald-face lies when they can be so easily looked up?
Im not lying. Britain never took Malvinas islands case to the ICJ. Obviously or you never investigated that history, or you are trully indoctrinated by the british version.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only two cases presented britain against Argentina and Chile at the same time and it was only about Malvinas dependencies wich is not the same. I can even show you a map that is showed in the case concerning the territory the british presented that do not include the Malvinas islands.
You can easily go to the ICJ page and look for yourself.
Im not lying, and it is you that dont take seriously Argentina for your own reasons.
You believe the islands are self-governed while the UN says they are not.
You believe the islands are not a colony, while the UN says they are.
You believe there is no sovereignty dispute while the UN recognize that dispute and use both names (Malvinas and Falklands) in all public documents.
So you can not be taken seriously either.
#67
Apr 04th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does it matter in the great scheme of things. The Falklands and other territories are B.O.T.s until the Islanders decide otherwise.
It is none of Argentina's business as you have NO say in the matter.
On to next business. Who will win the World Cup, we know it won't be England but do you have any tips ?
@67 There is no legal argument for the islands that lands in Argentinas favor. There are too many precedents against it. The civilized world The UN refuses to recognize the Islands as a self-governing territory by a committee that REFUSES to visit it when they had the referendum. The committee is an anarchism itself, a Great Blue Father that stands in the way of its mandate to fight battles that people can't fight there by its charter and won't fight because you'll lose in the ICJ like you lost when your “commemorated' Junta was confronted with people who shoot back. The Islands are somewhere between a ”colony“ and a more complicated but independent relationship like the Republic of Micronesia. Personally I'd like them to take that last step but that is THEIRS to chose. If you don't like their choices. Got to the UNSC and tell them their free choices are giving your children autism or something like that because they aren't harming you in the least administering land you never fully had. They will tell you to take it to the ICJ. What's more your illegal invasion sealed the deal shut against you. The UN didn't tell you to hand it over to peacekeepers. It told you to leave it, FULL STOP, to the Islanders would would then welcome back the British who are the UN-reconglzied administrative power despite your call for dibs. You won't meet with the Inlanders for the most pathetic reasons -- that they won't roll over for you. You're government just isn't interested in fighting for the Islands in the appropriate venues. Come on. YouTube!??!?!?! Idiot. But they DO like keeping it on the table to give them regional validation and to keep stringing along fools like you who believe ”next year“ your flag will be fly over your armed troops ethnically cleansing the ”pirates” like their forefathers Conquered the Desert and failed to do there in 1982.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give it up. Grow up. Move on. At least be man enough to visit and see the people you want to rule.
67 Liberato
Apr 04th, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would Britain take the Falklands case to the ICJ? For what? To ask for what? Britain has sovereignty, and Falkland Islanders have high level of autonomy, developing in the direction we want and at a pace set by us.
It doesn't matter what the UN calls us. OK, a colony, and a non- self governing territory.
So what? We are content with that, and we live here. It's nothing to do with you.
You want to colonise us, and that's the only relevant point here. You can choose to call it something else, but when you impose foreign rule on an unwilling people, it's colonisation. Your justification for that is that we are no different to other British, which is a barefaced lie.
But even if it were true, it still doesn't give you the right to terrorise us. We aren't less deserving of basic human rights that other people just because you don't approve of the way Britain conducted its affairs in the past. What has that got to do with me? Nothing
Gface, Monty69, your argument dont resist a single debate in Mercopress. So now the UN bodies are a fiasco becouse it doesnt suits british interests. But when it is usefull to invade, to steal and to kill a sovereign nation, it restort to the UN as the sacred place, and if the UN does comply with british interests they go unilaterally as always.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gface: Quote: “... The Islands are somewhere between a ”colony“ and a more complicated but independent relationship like the Republic of Micronesia”
So, isnt that the islands were self determined and self-governed?. Isnt that, the slogan the british are shouting every year in the decolonization committe?.
Monty69: Quote: “Britain has sovereignty, and Falkland Islanders have high level of autonomy, developing in the direction we want and at a pace set by us.”
Wasnt the british slogan that the islanders are self-determined and self-governed???. A high level of autonomy means that the metropolis gives the colonist some autonomy, but when things are getting dangerouse to british sovereignty they can wipe out the government, the constitution, the legislative assembly, etc; Without risking losing sovereignty.
Monty, we do not want to colonize the islands. They are already a colony. In fact, The island's present colony never actually had in all its existence another status than a colony.
@71 Micronesia IS self-governed. The US has its back much as the UK has the falklands back.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you really don't have this taking over plan figure out do you. What would Argentina do if the world when whacko and violated the Islanders fundamental human rights enshroud by the UN GA resolutions you have broken and ignored? Does your government talk to the Islanders? No. And you give some of the most pathetic excuses for it that I've seen. They are there. You will have to talk to them and not at gunpoint like you did in 1982. This isn't 1982. This isn't the Crimea either. People are watching and everyone knows they want NOTHING to do with you. That will make GREAT television news. Who's going to be the “administrator.” Since you clearly don't think the Islanders have the right to local government it won't be by the locals. What? Some hack in Ushuaia? Or are you going to send in Filmus who is absolutely clueless domestically (let alone clueless about “La Malvinas”). Yeah that will work. How about the equally clueless Betts. Advice, send Filmus for your own good. But in any respect it will be run form abroad by people who cannot identify with the people there. If what is there now a “colony” you will be running a hostile occupied Colony-times-1000. Will they be able to keep their way of life? No one believes you. Will they be able to do the math on inflation like they can now? Puleeze. Drive on the same side of the road they've always driven on? Free Press? HA! And what ARE you going to do with the people who predate Ushuaia itself? Deport them? More great press. Ethnic cleansing is so 1990's. Import, no IMPLANT! “native” “Malvinans” to overtake the locals? You have no one to lie to here. Your government has no plan. No clue. No moral right. Which is fine because it really doesn't want the Islands. Otherwise it'd be doing it right, in the ICJ and more importantly, trying to win over the Islanders. It's an all act to string you along. Sucker!
Oh dear.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really do not like our colony do you?
I suppose that was why you invaded it, to free the poor oppressed colonists.
Then having etnically cleansed the islands of the colonists, well I suppose.
YOU WERE GOING TO COLONISE THEM.
Self determination is about decided what you want. It does not always have to equate with independence. That is a misnomer.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0It frustrates people no end that some territories are quite content with their status within the United Kingdom.
And it will continue to frustrate them for decades to come, because some nations just do not want independence from Britain.
And there is nothing that anyone else can do because Britain has proven it is capable of defending all her territories when needed.
@73 Malvanazis like “Liberato” need their Lebensraum.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So 65 Liberato (#) If I am not an indigenous person I was born here over five generations ago . However keeping with your theme of indigenous people I guess you also are not one as well so why are you living in this place you call Argentina. I will tell you for the very same reason we live on our land. Only difference between you and me is that my forefathers came to this place looking for adventure not because Britain sent them here. They were explorers who wanted to start a new life and they did without removing anyone. Unlike your forefathers who killed anyone to take the land you now call Argentina.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think you have the right to dictate to me what I can or cannot do . Yet it is Ok for you to be where you are knowing the past.
You also try to tell us that what happened in your past is not relevant to our case. I am sorry but you are completely wrong. You know full well that your people did not discover or settle this land first and the whole problem only started when you thought you were given the Island by Spain who as you have already admitted would be Illegal because France had no right to even suggest they could give the Islands to Spain the first place.
But all this falls on deaf ears because you do not wish to go down that road. Your people are like spoiled children who think they can take everything they see. You do not like the fact that Britain actually defeated you in 82 when your soldiers held all the moral high ground they could not match the fighting spirit of a nation who refuses to allow dictators rule the world.
I know your reply will try to distort what I have wrote but the hard facts will always be there . So will our fellow people as they have in one voice made their choice and that is how it will stay,
OHhh i lost the reply i made.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well resuming, Argentina did not appeared from a tomato. We were part of the spanish empire that evolved with what was called criollos and mestizos. Mixture between the spanish and the aboriginals you claim we exterminated.
About the first discovery and settle, and the french, let me tell you that britain:
1-Did not discovered the islands.
2- They were not the first to claim the islands.
3- They were not the first to settle the islands either.
4-they were not the first to administer the islands.
About your forefather, they came for adventures as you said, but to a colony that was taken from a foreign power. Before your forefather came. There has been more than 50 years!!!!!! of pacific spanish and later argentine administrations before the british invaded in 1833. Administration that had no protest of sovereignty from the british since they left in 1774 to 1829 when they first protested the argentine administration.
So the british did not came here to an empty land. Your forefather knew it, the british knew it and you know it.
You even moved the capital called Puerto Soledad to Stanley.
You have no history. You have a patch on one eye and that patch do not let you read the whole storie and choose to read the goodness of civilization that the great british empire was and not the bloodness they brouth with them.
@77 Liberato,
Apr 05th, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a complete load of peronist rubbish, you talk,
Every thing you said is just made up lies.
The British discovered the Falklands & claimed them long before Argentina even existed.
Argentina NEVER settled the lslands, you had an illegal trespassing Garrison on these lsland for 3 months.
3 months is all Liberato, and they were trespassing on British land.
When they were asked to leave, they did, no battle.
And you base your ridiculous “claim” to OUR lslands on THAT??????
Your points, 1 to 4 are just lies.
Have you no shame?
You would come onto a public forum like this & just openly lie?
l am astounded.
l admit we made 2 mistakes.
1 not so serious,
And 1 VERY BIG mistake.
The first mistake was to not have some sort of a presence here between 1776 and 1833.
Even just a lighthouse with crew or a small Penal colony would have been enough.
l may have stopped opportunists like the United Provinces(Argentina) from getting any funny ideas.
The BIG mistake that we made was even talking to Argentina about stupid things like 'Lease back“ or ”Joint Sovereignty” or any other of that rubbish because it just encouraged Argentina to actually believe that they had any rights here.
Of course you have NONE at all.
The ldiots in the Foreign Office who dreamed up these little gems should be prosecuted for all the damage they've done & the lives that have been lost.
So NO, Liberato, you do NOT own the Falklands.
The first one
1592 First confirmed sighting of the Islands by English navigator John Davis of Desire
Apr 05th, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 01690 First landing at Bold Cove, Port Howard by British captain John Strong of Welfare whilst sailing to Chile who names Falkland Sound after Lord Falkland, Treasurer to the Navy;
Captain Strong discovers a large fox-like animal which is named the warrah
1594 English navigator Richard Hawkins of Dainty maps the northern coastline and names the Islands 'Hawkins Maydenlande' after himself and Queen Elizabeth
1598 Dutch navigator Sebald van Weerdt of Geloof names the Jason Islands 'The Sebaldines'
1690 First landing at Bold Cove, Port Howard by British captain John Strong of Welfare whilst sailing to Chile who names Falkland Sound after Lord Falkland, Treasurer to the Navy;
Captain Strong discovers a large fox-like animal which is named the warrah
1701 Beauchene Island discovered by Frenchman Jacques Gouin de Beauchesne
Just a few extracts from the Time line History. Don't see Argentina in there anywhere. But how silly they did not exist at that time.
So 77 Liberato (#) where do you believe Argentina features in the time line . certainly not until after the French departed from the Islands.
Your claims are the ones fabricated not mine. People of British decent were clearly on the Islands long before 1833 and you know it. Just cant except that Britain was one of the first to have contact with the Islands . Kinda makes your claims look rather stupid don't you think.
71 Liberato
Apr 05th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'British' do not attend the Decolonisation Committee.
The Falkland Islands Government do attend, to remind the committee that the Falkland Islands is governed by the democratically elected government of our choice. We don't need to shout; we leave that to Argentines.
And we do have a 'history'; we have more than 200 years of it. Your denial of this fact does no harm to us and makes you look like an idiot. Do carry on.
Kelperabout: In response to your wrong account of event, like I said before you have a patch on one eye that don’t let you see the whole storie.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Discovery:
The John Davies theory of discovery Is wrong and suspicios even to british historians. The place where david locate the islands is inexact, even for the time and he did not offer any description of the islands.
The first discovery is made by Esteban Gomez, in the ship San Antonio in 1520, in his trip back to Spain from Magallan strait. As result of that discovery the islands start to be shown in maps of Pedro Reinel (1522-1523); Diego Rivero (1526-1527 y 1529); Islario de Santa Cruz (1541); Sebastián Gaboto (1544); Diego Gutiérrez (1561); Bartolomé Olivos (1562), etc.
Hawkings situated the islands 48º south and it was discredited not only by argentine historians but by british historians too.
Settlement and Possesion:
The first settles of the islands were the French. Bougainville established a small settlement in 1764 and claimed all the islands for the king Louis xv. This was inmediatelly protested by the Spanish in the eye of discovery and the treaty of Tordesillas. The French recognized the Spanish rights and ceded the colony after a Spanish compensation in 1767.
The first English claim was of John Byron in 1765, that claimed the islands for the king George III. A british settlement however, was not established until 1766. Two years after the French.
When the Spanish saw the british settlement they forced the british to leave, incorporated the islands to the viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata. This almost broke a war and the Spanish allowed the british settles to return without prejudice the prior Spanish rights.
The british returned for three years and abandoned them in 1774.
From that year to 1929, the Spanish and later argentines administered the islands alone with not a single british protest made. And even when the north American destroyed the argentine settlement, there were still argentines living in
Kelperabout @79...agree with the info you posted. It is obvious that posting historical facts for the Trolls is a waste of time.... it doesn't sink into their thick skulls......no matter whatever proof is rubbed in their faces, they'll always come back with some nonsensical verbal diarrhea....
Apr 05th, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOT MUCH LOWER THAN YOU SHORT.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, i want to say that you are making a mischievous interpretation of what we commemorate every 2nd of april, like any other demagogue politician does. However, what we do the 2nd of april, is to honour all those soldiers who fought in the war of 1982, we can't not to do it, in the same way that britain honours it's soldiers, we do the same with our's, but it doesn't mean that we are pro galtieri, in fact, the 2nd of april isn't remembered as a happy day for us. If a demagogue like you makes this kind of mischievous interpretations, is because your purpose is to invalid our legitimate claim for the islands.
On the other hand, i understand that for somebody like you, it's very easy to call terrorists, to all those who participated in the condor operation, without taking into account the context of that time. In that moment, we were under ongania's dictatorship, in fact, since 1930 untill 1983, arg. suffered different coup d etat's, which implemented terrible dictatorships, then in such authoritarians contexts, we can't pretend people to trust politicians, beside, we suffered terrible intern confrontations in the country, especialy in the decade of the 60 and 70. Although i don't agree in absolut on the condor operation, i prefer analizing what happened in that time, taking into account the contexts of those long and dramatic years, instead of calling them terrorists.
Anyway, it's understandable if a demagogue like you continues to repeat effectist comments, with the purpose of getting the atention of people who often make too partial lectures in this website about the malvinas-falkland cause. Perhaps, you should start wondering whether you aren't also gettiing low, as you accuse filmus and c. f. k.
@83
Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0If your sole aim was to commemorate your soldiers, you would have picked a date other than the date of the invasion.
It is likewise hard to see how the hijacking of an aeroplane can be blamed on whatever junta you happened to have in power at that particular time.
But do keep it up. With your head of state actively celebrating a war of aggression and a terrorist hijacking, the world sees just how crazy you are.
@83 Axel bobo,
Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 01) lf you hijack an Aeroplane you are either a criminal, a terrorist or both.
No excuses,
no ifs,
no buts,
no but he said, etc etc
blah blah blah.
What were they Axel?
Certainly not Heroes.
2) lf you invade a foreign country, Axel, you are an lnvader.
lf the UNSC order you out & you refuse,(UNSC Resolution # 502, ring any bells?)
Then you are a criminal, an invader & a criminal.
And a stupid one at that.
Really! Some people!
83 axel arg
Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ in fact, the 2nd of april isn't remembered as a happy day for us”
Oh priceless, PRICELESS!!! but the line I like best is this one:-
“However, what we do the 2nd of april, is to honour all those soldiers who fought in the war of 1982, we can't not to do it, in the same way that britain honours it's soldiers”
That's right!!! to honour all it's soldiers who died during the FAILED invasion, you name a street “02nd April”, You roll out every nut job and sycophant in government to shout as loud as they can about how unfair it is that the Falklands are not yours. Your president blocks twitter accounts. what a nice way you have of marking a military defeat and honouring your fallen.
Not once, NOT ONCE has anyone in your government EVER held a formal, respectful, honoured ceremony to say “thank you” to your fallen for their sacrifice and to honour memory of the dead NOT ONCE!!!!
In a civilized country, this would happen but as we are talking about argentina, what did we expect?
@86
Apr 06th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Difficult to argue with your points above. Why are they so disrespectful to the fallen, perhaps because they surrendered.
Axel @83...Regarding Hans@84, it would have been far more appropriate for the Argentine Government to have picked the date that the Argentine forces surrendered. It would have been a national date to remember the shame, the lies you were fed by the government while the war was still on, but mainly, a good reminder to never to commit the same mistake again.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 088 Jack Bauer
Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but mainly, a good reminder to never to commit the same mistake again”.....
Jack, Jack my friend, they will. Someone on here said that governments “Never learn from the mistakes of others” ..... and then you have Laughing Boy Timerman in LONDON last year / a couple of years ago saying that the Falkland Islands will be back in argentine hands ”Within 25 years......
mmmmmm........ Not so veiled threats. He was also reported to have said ( and I WISH that someone would provide the link ) that if the military base wasn't there, they would have been back in there again already.
So you see, I don't actually hold out much hope. I would like to think that I am wrong and that the government in BA won't ever try a “1982” all over again. but it only ever takes one negative opinion pole too many and before you know it, you have some idiot in BA saying “I know where they went wrong last time!!”
Still, as the old saying goes “Hope for the best, prepare for the worst”.
Toooldtodieyoung@ 89 you are right , 'governments never learn from the mistakes of others' .....and with this obsession CFK and her collaborators have about the Falklands, it is likely that the idiot (in BA) you mention, is already in the making..
Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89
Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's highly unlikely that they will ever try the same thing again, not just because they don't have the capability, but because the grievance is far more precious to them than the islands would ever be, oil and all.
Hans @91, If the occupants of the Casa Rosada were rational, one could predict with near to 100% accuracy, that they most definitely would not try it again...but as Toooltodieyoung said, there's always an idiot.....
Apr 06th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#89
Apr 06th, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that was the Argentine defense minister about 18 months ago when he was reviewing the Air force.
@83
Apr 07th, 2014 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“to honour all those soldiers who fought in the war of 1982”
Not really if you commemorate 2/4/82 you are only honouring the few Argentines who died that day.
If you really wanted to commemorate the loss and not celebrate your invasion, you would commemorate 14th June 1982 or even the date the Belgrano went down, except you egotistical megalomaniacs won't because 14/6/1982 commemorates your surrender which you ignore by sticking your heads in the sand.
You only sing when you're winning.
Dear MLA Short,
Apr 09th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK isn't the only Argentine willing to stoop low. Most Argentines continue to do so. Be forever vigilant, Falklanders. You'll be enslaved in a week if you don't.
Enslaved?????. I dont see you british have never been as free and open to inmigration and cultures as we argentines. Did you ever heard of Argentina expelling an inmigrant from our nation?. You are welcome here as any citizen around the world that wish to live in Argentina. No matter if you are rich or poor, you can apply for a citizenship and it will be granted. I dont see that working for you brits.
Apr 09th, 2014 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course we have lots of problems provoked by that. But nevertheless it is in our constitution. We provide free education, free health care, the right to a home, etc.
You will see many of our neighbors attending on our hospitals. Brasilian, Chileans, Uruguayans attending to our Universities, etc.
Australia, a group of former British colonies, is much more open to immigration than Argentina and has a much more cosmopolitan population. With 25% of the population born overseas and another 25% first-generation.
Apr 09th, 2014 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that Argentina is now a country of migration not immigration.
And considering the UK's population will still be growing due to immigration long after Argentina's has started contracting; you claim is patently false.
Try getting out of Argentina sometime to see the real world.
In 1833 , the Provincias Unidas de Buenos Aires ended at Chascomus , yet Argentina now claims not only the Falkland islands but South Sandwich , South Georgia and Antarctica .
Apr 09th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the Guerra Grande fought from 1864 to 1870 between Paraguay and the Triple Alliance of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay, there were approximately 400,000 deaths, the highest rate of fatalities related to the number of combatants of any war in modern history. It particularly devastated Paraguay, which suffered catastrophic losses in population and was forced to cede territory ( Chaco and Formosa ) to Argentina (wiki ) .
Patagonia was stolen from Chile , and both countries were on the brink of all out war in 1978
Fek me , Argentina will be wanting Australia , New Zealand and South Africa next , and yet as a country it cannot even function as a modern democratic state .
Anglotino, Im glad for Australia and doesnt doubt they are very openly and, if you like to add, more cosmopolitan than Argentina. But this is not a competition. I was no trying to put Argentina as a model either, but i was responding a total ignorant comment that treated Argentina as a place of enslavery.
Apr 09th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ururping Pirate, Wrong, first if you talk of efective control we were in Patagonia by that year even defending it, like happened when brazilian atacked Carmen de PAtagones from brazilian atacks in 1827. If you talk about sovereignty, since we were a spanish colony there were many settltements in that territory without mention that Patagonia was spanish sovereign territory.
Usurping pirate, you talk without knowing history and what is more absurd, without giving a damn about history.
Don't like it, eh, Liberato, when we can point out Argentina's rapacious past.
Apr 10th, 2014 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina stole land from Paraguay, no getting away from it, Liberato.
Since you are such high & mighty, holier-than-thou, do you plan to return the stolen land?
Argentina also stole Patagonia from the native peoples,
When do you plan to return that land? Soon? Will the C24 oversee the return?
And now you would like to steal our land.
You really have sticky fingers, don't you?
And you have the face to lie to your schoolchildren & the UN about this ridiculous place called the malv…something or other.
Do you really expect to be taken seriously?
I've been living in Argentina for some years now and I can attest to the fact that there is a fair amount of popular celebration of the invasion itself and the widespread support it received. There are posters showing the Royal Marines garrison surrendering and slogans like 'Argentina doesn't surrender' and 'We'll be back!' I work in a university where there was a 'Festival Malvinas' a couple of years ago. Last year the university displayed a timeline of the war bragging about damage to the Royal Air Force (and by implication, killing British pilots). Those posting on here who say that the 02 April is purely about sober commemoration and not triumphalistic celibration, are lying.
Apr 11th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@101 Bongoose,
Apr 11th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, l agree.
We're going to have to fight them again.
And l believe that if we fail then either Uruguay or Chile will be next on their list.
l doubt that they'll ever get over their defeat.
P.s. l think that Chile might be to hard for the plonkers.
Look out, Uruguay!
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