MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Overwhelming majority of Argentines feel insecurity has become the main problem
Eight out of ten Argentines feel that insecurity has been on the rise during recent months while 90% believe that it has become the main problem of the country ahead of inflation, unemployment and corruption, according to a public opinion poll published in Clarin's Sunday edition. Read full article
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rulesLynching! In Argentina? ¡No lo puedo creer!
Apr 07th, 2014 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0People have been trying to say things would get worse.... but what would we know.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Told you so!!!!!
Criminals let out early! Corrupt police! Inept courts!=lynchings!!!
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is the new wild west
Send in the Federal Marshals
Well this only to be expected if the national hero is one,
Apr 07th, 2014 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Antonio Rivero “El Gaucho”.
Soon to be showing his face on a 50 peso argentine note. Thanks KFC regime. Thanks.
A veritable Shangri-La.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 095% of Argentines believe the FALKLANDS are a BOT ( British Overeseas Territory ) Not a mention then about the mysterious Las Malvinas then.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0it's getting close, Argie land about to go to dust.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nonsense. The Falklands are the most important issue in Argentina today ! KFC,Timmerman, Filmus , Liberato, Dany, Malen Jose vestige et al
Apr 07th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0keep telling us that it is...so it must be. The Public have got it all wrong.
Yup. Think we will stick with being a UKOT for the present time.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good decision peeps.
“90% believe that it has become the main problem of the country ahead of inflation, unemployment and corruption”
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Insecurity is the product of inflation, unemployment and corruption.
We can ship all our criminals to the Falklands. Problem solved !
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Soon be dismemberment time for Argentina.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who shall we invite to the feast?
Chile, of course.
Paraguay, do you want your land back? of course you do.
Anyone else, just put your hand up.
Well, 36.4% of the notional voting public voted for TMBOA and they deserve what they get AND now they have got it. Welcome to the real Peronism folks!
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do feel for the good people enmeshed in this nightmare with no way out unless like 100,000’s of their compatriots they immigrate to Uruguay.
But please do not walk around as if you own the place like I have seen many big nosed argies with their broods and even bigger UTE’s do just lately. Try to act like my Argentine neighbours and fit in with the rest of us.
Isolde: “Soon be dismemberment time for Argentina.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who shall we invite to the feast?
Chile, of course.”
Isolde, do you really believe Chileans are interested in acquiring that problem? We don't want that wild hordes... it would be a troyan horse.
We're happy as we are...
@11
Apr 07th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did that in 1982, but we sent them back, anyway the FALKLANDS are not large enough to accomodate so many criminals.
#11
Apr 07th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the Falklands has room for 45,000,000 !
Argentina needs an Alvaro Uribe Velez who just saved his country in the nick of time from becoming another Somalia. But I don’t see any Argentine equivalent in the political spectrum. It will have to be back to the people defending themselves there is no other solution.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is Think and his sock puppets? Are they manning the barricades?
Apr 07th, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh.. I think he is enjoying a fortnight off….. http://thewittank.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/post-coital1.jpg
Oh dear!
Apr 07th, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunny Burger
Apr 07th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul Cedron
Told you so!!
Paul - stay at home with Mum & Dad.
Just barricade the doors and watch CFK TV.
If you go outside, someone is liable to steal your smartphone
Some disgusting drunks decided to try to break down my door while my wife was alone in the house. My friends and I talked about having a vigil and make it appear as she was alone to catch them in the act, and show them what it's like to be defenseless.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Criticize me for not feeling bad for those being lynched, but I'm tired of seeing women, children and the elderly being robbed, raped, assaulted and murdered without any consequences for the criminals.
What is the first thing you should do when Society collapses, hang all the looters from the street lights so that everyone figures out really quickly that there are consequences to their actions.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the gov't can't or won't protect you it is your right to protect yourself.
10. condorito
Apr 07th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree with that.
12 isolde
as always you, like the rest of the dimwits here, mocking about other people´s misfortunes.
that would be as if someone make fun because britain is the violent crime capital of europe.
“The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
clearly the imbeciles here do not understand that those kind of crimes, in argentina, britain, the u.s., chile, or wherever, affects mostly the elderly, kids and the weakest part of the society.
Is Britain the organised crime capital of Europe?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
14.
it seems you have enough with your own lootings.
we don´t want that kind of wild hordes here either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
Paul, I've been to the UK many many times. Like the USA you can walk up to 20MM houses and knock on their doors, no guards, no walls, no gates and you have people walking down the street with 100K+ watches and jewelry and clothes without ever having a problem.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can safely walk London streets ( drunk) at all hours of the night without a problem.
There is a safety, security and a peace of mind that you will never know without living in a civilized country.
Yankee : Don't forget, he's paid to come out with this bullsh*t .
Apr 07th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe he never even gets robbed .
Love this .....
http://www.clarin.com/politica/La_Danza_del_Chorro-polemico-video-PRO-Solano_Lima_0_1115888661.html
23
Apr 07th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it seems you have enough with your own lootings.
we don´t want that kind of wild hordes here either.”
There we go again spitting into others plates because you don’t like your own soup and awing over nonsense in other countries as if things were normal... Its like if a country dying with aids is scared of a country that suffers from a passing flu.
That is Paul and Berger talking about the lynching in Canada or the lootings in Chile after a tsunami went by…
Interesting to see the BsAs city progressives and kirchnerists lawmakers being so dis-attached from reality and soooooo stupid. Its beyond comprehension and scary that they think and talk like that. At least Cristian Ritondo got it right, but Cerruti, Ibarra, Alegre are retarded if not to say fool accomplices of common street criminality. I don’t even want to think what happens behind doors of Kirchnerists majority held councils and parliaments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8vNcyDb7TI&list=UUNRbE5uuMyqvL-I8RxUU7IQ
23
Apr 07th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what?
spitting in other´s plate?
it is just an example to see the ridiculous statement of considering those “hordes” as an argentinian exclusiveness.
i am the first in recognizing that we are in deep shit regarding insecurity.
and of course the first responsible is the government, after +10 years in charge, they don´t even recognize the issue.
what it is disgusting is the people that mocks about a problem that implies hundreds of deaths, regardless of where it occurs.
27
Apr 07th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“what it is disgusting is the people that mocks about a problem that implies hundreds of deaths, regardless of where it occurs. ”
You want people to feel sorry for Argentina and its people instead?? Isolde is a islander, I think you need to be more realistic.
At least over 20 people were killed in the suburbs of Tucuman's Capital in Decembers last lootings. It was all coverd up....BTW “Far west” is not as unhealthy consecuence as you think it is
Another little item to worry about is the 10 year + of deferred maintenance on your sewers ( and everything else) but I'd really worry about the sewers right now.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this rain keep up as is expected you'll start to have whole buildings collapse along with the roads and sub-structures.
Not to mention the waterborne disease that is going to crop up.
I don't envy your next ruler or the next generation. What a mess.
28
Apr 07th, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0eh? it seems you mix up everything
who said that i want them to feel sorry ?
and who said something about the “far west”?
until the government cannot handle the problem, people will defend themselves in the way they can.
the risk about lynchings is that you can always be wrong and kill / wound the wrong person.
30. It seems like you are not aware that vigilantism has been an Rg problem for many many years.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I lived there it was pretty common to have neighbors burn down a house with someone in there or stone, or beat them to death if they thought they were a rapist or burglar.
It happened more times that I can remember.
Frankly it was pretty common.
30 yankeeboy
Apr 07th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes?
you had neighbours like those?
that is more a typical problem of the slums, where honest people live along with common criminals.
now i thought you lived in the wealthiest parts of b.a.
there you can find honest people living along with white collar criminals, but their neighbours do not react in that way.
30
Apr 07th, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t really feel outraged by the comments here, it’s just part of the usual rivalry between Argentina and Britain in Mercopress. Other than that don’t expect anything.
I think far more innocent people die everyday by ordinary crime in proportion to “justicia por mano propia”
Rather than lynching I want to see proper organized community self defense groups like in Michoacán in Mexico.
Silly boy, they weren't my neighbors!
Apr 07th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was neighbors in small GBA communities/towns, where they thought they knew exactly who did what to whom yet they couldn't get the police to do anything about it.
It is pretty common they had it on Cronica News a couple times a month.
Remember the case of the lady who “slipped in the tub” or so the police said until her friends had her body exhumed only to find out she was shot 5x in the head.
The whole country is rotten with corruption.
It is why you will never grow and will only get poorer and dumber with every generation.
YB if it is the Garcia-Belsunce case then you got it the other way round... It was the friends and family who said she had slipped into the tub. And her husband is serving a sentence. It had a high media coverage kind of like the Argentine O.J. Simpson case
Apr 07th, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is not high profile domestic homicides cases it’s the more common theft and crime (which derive in homicedes at alarming rates) that the middle working class and lower class (in the slums themselves) suffer the most, that is the real issue, but I agree the police and judges are insanely corrupt
Oh for gosh sakes!
Apr 07th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine police are hunting for a man who whipped two passersby while riding a horse in the middle of a busy city street and attempted to rob them, before galloping off.
The incident happened during the daytime on a major thoroughfare in Resistencia, capital of the northern province of Chaco, local media said Saturday.
Friday's attack was recorded on security cameras and showed a man on horseback approaching his young male victims, whipping them and demanding their belongings.
Witnesses told police that the suspect fell from his horse in the failed robbery, then jumped back on his mount and fled, dodging cars as he galloped off into the distance.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/125459-hunt-for-horseman-in-brazen-argentina-robbery
Bahahahaha it really is the wild west!
No, the wild west might be the N.Ireland part of Britain.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or the gun totin cities of the US .... skid skid bang bang n*ggaz
Which click do you run with ? - Ms13 ? Crips ? Aryan Brotherhood ?
.... and more importantly .... are you working in a privately owned industrial prison ??
So is NML really after Lazaro Baez assets abroad or is Singer just trying to get common Argentine's favor by chasing after a corrupt businessmen of the regime ???
Apr 07th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 Are you really the first to admit to the terrible insecurity in Argentina? I really hadn't noticed that.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason you get so much stick is because certain contributors claiming to be Argentine but not living there pretend it is not happening. The deny it all and point in another direction. If they admitted it there would not be such a strong reaction from people that are aware of the reality.
No one expects you to wear a hair shirt or not feel proud of your country. But I do feel sorry for the good Argentines I have met during my extended visits. They want to feel proud of Argentina but are thwarted by mismanagement by the government and the Argentines that are taking advantage of the situation.
39
Apr 07th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Are you really the first to admit to the terrible insecurity in Argentina? I really hadn't noticed that.”
soy el primero en admitir... it is a way of saying.
and of course i admit it.
“ ...but are thwarted by mismanagement by the government and the Argentines that are taking advantage of the situation”
agree 100%
@11 You don't have any “ships” that could get that far. Still, as what you have turns over and sinks, it will be like the “good old days”. Drowning in the South Atlantic (soon to be the Falklands) Ocean or drowning in the River of the Broken Plates.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 You are making the mistake of thinking there would be any argies? Work on the basis of only indigenous people. You shouldn't really have a problem but, if you do, the RAF and RN have some useful equipment.
@23 “as always you, like the rest of the dimwits here, mocking about other people´s misfortunes.” “Misfortunes” are things that happen through no fault of your own. Over many months and years, you've been told what a cock-up you're making. You've been told, time and again, what to do about it. You're getting what you were told you'd get. Who do you want to blame because you're too thick to take advice?
@27 “Mock”? “Us”? Why would we mock you and your stupid compatriots? Hey, a little while ago, according to many, including you if I recall, Britain was on the skids. Not “on the skids” anymore, are we? Fastest growing economy in Europe. Because we are trusted. Because we do things right. Because we consider others. And who trusts argieland? When was the last time larcenous, mendacious argieland did anything right? Caring for others? Like Paraguay and Uruguay?
@30 Being a smart-ass, YOU could be the next lynching. If you quit posting, we'll assume you're dead. Or that you've dug a really big hole. If we cared.
@32 A sociologist? Or a criminal?
@33,35 Don't bother about us. We're only after the sociopaths. Think, Dany, Nostrils, PaulC, axel thingy, Brasileiro, malen, Marcos (from Gameboy) Alejandro.
Why don't you try a new tack. Admit you've been wrong. Admit we know best. Apologise. Be humble.
What's that gurgling noise?
Apr 07th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look, it's Argentina circling the drain...
@33 CD
Apr 07th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Rather than lynching I want to see proper organized community self defense groups like in Michoacán in Mexico.”
The problem with any vigilantism, even organised, is that these groups morph in to mafias at some stage.
The solution has to come from both sides: on one side greater economic freedom and on the other hard policing (which unfortunately requires an uncorrupted police force).
43. I agree, having a citizens militia isn't a good answer. It will prove to be very hard to get rid of if they ever are able to bring back law and order to Argentina.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am thinking there's a lot of people wishing the Military would take over right about now.
41
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0keep your advices for yourself, you brainless tiny little guy.
it seems that whatever you are smoking, has already rotten your brain.
I think it is funny that Singer is harassing the K minions! It may not amount to much but I think its fun for them.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I reckon Conq is Victor Meldrew. He does make me titter though.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 043
Apr 07th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IMO
I have followed closely the Michoacán case since early this year. IMO There is high positive indicators and conclusións to be made.
Though it is a risk one has to consider that the reality in which we are in demands special measures. One has to be realistic enough to recognize there will be no miraculous solution from overnight. The Police are just as mafia, the politicians are just as mafia the judges are incompetent and part of the mafia too. Besides it is the only way to force the politicians into doing something about the issue. So far in all the debates and discussions in Argentina nobody is proposing any solution whatsoever. Nobody has any idea nor will to do anything in Argentina.
If you have a good community where everybody knows everyone, you have the militias elected council and enable an assembly in which courses of action are taken then the chances of becoming a mafia are diminished while more local and democratic you get. Get a physiological test draft for all the members and have them oblige to present a arms license
Or at least so would be the theory. If you are going to have a massive paramilitary army of 30.000 thousand men like there was in Colombia when Uribe arrived then yes you would have all those problems linked and the cartels eventually contaminate the paramilitary.
If I would have to be a weekly night or two from 12.00 am to 6.00 am manning a checkpoint in me street with a .22 revolver or a rifle I would have no problem if that is the price of security and community commitment.
Of course self defense groups there would be problems like the inability to deal with already committed crimes, sophisticated crimes and homicides; you will probably have problems like trigger happy loons in your ranks and personal use of vigilantes. But we have to be realistic when you have a situation that is drastically falling apart this by far is the best option and solution.
However interesting and constructive thing to debate
CD. I had armed private security at both my Quinta and the house I had on the RDP in close in GBA.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this is already very common in the affluent areas.
We upped the armed patrols at the quinta from dusk to dawn to 24 hrs after so many neighbors were getting commando assaulted and their cars boxed in.
I can't imagine how dangerous it must be now.
And did you get busted in after you had your own guards 24 hrs ??
Apr 07th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Luckily neither house was ever robbed. At the Quinta the neighbors and the surrounding country clubs were having problems though that's why we upped the security on the public road in front of the house and shared 24hr patrols on the back of the property with the country club.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We also had 10-12 foot walls surrounding the house and someone was always at the house. We never left it unattended.
It is such an awful way to live. It is really sad that you'll never know what it is like to not have to watch your back all the time. I never even think about it here and I live in a major city.
I love the satisfaction that is derived from 65% of people are against lynchings. I should bloody well think so. Is this meant to show them as people with high moral fibre, because they are against lynchings???
Apr 07th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who takes these polls anyway, I cant envisage an army of people with clip boards going from door to door.
It is just the most bizarre country.
@11
Apr 07th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We can ship all our criminals to the Falklands. Problem solved !”
Except most of your ships have a habit of sinking, but if you are lucky they might get a few miles out of port.
51
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I most worried about what is coming actually... Im from the interior and things are far from quiet and peaceful but nothing compares to BsAs.
I'm mostly interested in what mechanism civilians would have at the disposal. Argentine mindset is very “Big State” oriented.
I have being browsing into your suburban middle class Americas survivalist groups and WTSHTF, a lot of the knowhow they have would seem to be useful in Argentina in a social and economical breakdown.
We should be preparing ourselves with a mixture of stuff of the self defense groups of Michoacan and the American survivalist that have being waiting for nuclear war, alien invasion, economic crisis, environmental disaster or whatever wacko calamity you name it, the knowhow and knowledge they have is fascinating and very creative. It’s all family and small community oriented.
I believe in small and local government can help far better than any centralist bureaucracy and that would be the first line of myth that needs to be broken in Argentina
The USA has always had a survivalist/individualist/frontier mentality and there are a some groups that take it to an extreme.
Apr 07th, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama like Carter has generated a feeling of imminent doom so I think the survivalist movement has grown quite a bit under his regime. I think there are even some tv shows about them.
But it is in our instinct to be prepared.
When there was a hurricane predicted for my area I went out and bought everything I would need to survive a week without any stores open or electricity and my Rg friend here made fun of me!
I didn't see that type of preparedness in Argentina. I found most Rgs not well prepared to face the next day much less the next week. They're not very good at weighing options and anticipating outcomes either. Jump first and then look. I think that is why you keep getting in these horrible messes every few years.
@56
Apr 08th, 2014 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're right......it's very much short-term solutions with very little long-term planning, from government downwards
@14 ManRod
Apr 08th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 CabezaDura2,
Of course l don't think we should chop up Argentina.
lts just a reaction against being called squatters & thieves etc.
l'm just trying to upset the malvinistas who come out with this rubbish.
Yes, ManRod, who would want a large minority of Argentines in their land?
l quite agree!
'65 percent disapprove of lynching' says it all. In a civilised society this would be 99 percent disapprove of lynching. CFK and the comedy club of politicians are doing a fabulous job and MUST be given more time to turn Argentina into an economic dust bowl. It's not good enough JUST to be the laughingstock of Latin America.
Apr 08th, 2014 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the biggest problem Argentina faces is the Large NATO base including “...a nuclear attack submarine and aircraft armed with long-range ballistic missiles ” only a few hundred miles away, in the Falkland islands.
Apr 08th, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unless somehow you don't believe what your president was saying.
Those nuclear armed penguins are really dangerous.
@45 You haven't quite got it yet. This is the way it works. Open your eyes. Take your fingers out of your ears. Shut your gob. But there are other necessities. First, try to find an operational brain. One that is capable of more than autonomous functions. Get it tested to see whether it is already mad or has narcissistic tendencies. Try to establish a link between the sensory inputs and “brain”. There must be 5 or 6 argies that could be used. Install a high-voltage security circuit. Easy enough. Feed a cable into one ear and pull it out the other. As you've proved yet again, there's nothing in the way. Perhaps an extra-long pipe-cleaner? By the way, unlike the majority of argies, I don't believe in substance abuse. Strange that that's the way your “thoughts” turn. Or is that your pre-programmed response circuit?
Apr 08th, 2014 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@47 I cannot believe it! The 22nd replacement for the Leader of the Nerds!
@48 I don't understand why you would want a “solution”. Homo sapiens sapiens has been around for around 200,000 years. That's a fairly reasonable experimental period. What has been found over that time is that useful societal structures survive, useless ones don't. Slam and lock the doors. Put the bars on the windows. Don't go out unless it's vital. Wait. Watch. The “problem” will solve itself.
@57 What's wrong with chopping argieland up? Logically, one should consider the reverse alternative to being “too big for its boots”. There are plenty of examples in history where countries that went out of control were dismembered. The one that springs immediately to mind is Germany. There was no “Germany” as such until around 1871. It promptly set about creating an empire. And then World War 1. The Treaty of Versailles stripped Germany of all of its territorial gains during the war, its colonies and areas like the Ruhr and Saar effectively came under French control and other features. Had France maintained control, history might be different!
BRING THE MILITARY BACK ARGENTINIANS CANNOT HANDLE DEMOCRACY!
Apr 09th, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@61
Apr 09th, 2014 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ummm..... are you saying the Military in Argentina are not Argentine? What are they then? Martians?
@ 62 ilsen
Apr 09th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, just like the Martians, nobody ever sees the army and certainly not the navy unless you have a wetsuit and as for the “airforce” ha, ha, ha!
Ilsen you can't handle the truth and certainly not democracy you think democratic rule is a payback for those unfortunate soul’s that where deprived of social justice and deserved that wealth be transfer to the masses well, I have news for you, Argentina has just descended into anarchy and the only solution is a crackdown by the military because democracy and the rule of law will not work.
Apr 09th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Apr 09th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have news for you... The Ks control the armed forces and is subject of increasing indoctrination.
What Argentina needs is a Alvaro Uribe
Argentina is a beautiful, pontentialy bountiful country, owned and governed by fools and crimminals.
Apr 10th, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is to blame? The population.
Shocking? No! not after all this time, it comes down to compliance and lack of responsibility.
Whilst there is some recourse to the idea that youhave been deliberately kept in ignorance, surely this can not go on forever?
Stop playing the game about avoiding tax etc. Stop being distracted be this silly diatribe about the Falklands, what would you do with them if you even got them? Would thousands of you migrate?
No. Thought not. Grow up!
Rise up Argentines! You only have to lose the chains of your corperate governance!
Overwhelming majority?? I'm not part of that portion. And all these data is not objective.
Apr 10th, 2014 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not very useful to talk about “insecurity”, as it is a relative feeling that people can experiment. When media monopolies are 24/7 showing news about crime, you can easily make the audience worry about that. However, it is more useful and meaningful to talk about crime, about statistics, about how crime really happens and where.
The fact that Mercopress is still publishing so many articles against Argentina is making me feel sure that Argentina is really making it's own way in this world, reducing a bit the power that the modern Empires have in the Argentine economy.
@67
Apr 10th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah keep on living in “lalaland” just because your whore queen orders you to do so. These episodes surely must be fascist, rich and board people just picking on innocent kids for the fun of it...
Berni Security Secretary himself said that the lynching outbreak is a clear sign of that the people have had enough
Oh yes, a Failed-State like Argentina should be partitioned among its neighbors.
Apr 10th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As soon as possible.
Philippe
it seems the failed-state that will be divided very soon is britain.
Apr 10th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bad luck for england, i guess.
scotland will remain with all the oil.
70 Pab O' Furniture, UK Expert
Apr 10th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so witty. yawn
no more responses
70 paulcedron
Apr 12th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“scotland will remain with all the oil.”
....you forgot to mention that the UK economy is the fastest growing in the G20.
Sorry if I took some of the wind out of your sails there, but your representation of the UK did seem to be a little biased.
CHEAP DEMAGOGISM FOR EVERYONE.
Apr 12th, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that it's not politicly correct to say this, but i have never liked the demagogical way that hegemonical press handles the insecurity problem.
At the same time that all polls show that people's main concerning is insecurity, a report by u. n. says that arg., chile and cuba, have the lowest rates of murderers of latin america, in the case of arg., it's rate is 5 every 10000 inhabitants. Beside, a report by the procuration from buenos aires province, unveiled that since january untill june of last year, the 20% of murderers, were as a result of insecurity, on the other hand, only the 2,5% were made by young people who are 15 years old or less, who aren't punished (inimputables), however, when you ask people about insecurity, most them say that murderers are often commited by young people of that age, because they know that they won't be sent to prison.
After watching these numbers, and reading this poll and many others, where people say that their main concerning is insecurity, i can only say that hegemonical press has the main responsability, in the distorted view that many of our people have, in relation to this problem, i am not saying that governments shouldn't do anything, i'm just criticising the despisable manipulation that the most important newspapers do, respecting insecurity. On the other hand, the problem won't be solved with just much more presence of policemen in the streets, especialy if most provincial security forces haven't been depurated yet, the true problem, is social exclusion.
On the other hand, it's absolutly hypocritical to blame only on c. f. k. for this problem, people aren't stupid, and they know that governors and intendants have also a huge responsability in relation to insecurity. However, some of them prefer making a hypocritical lecture of this problem, just to find one more reason to insult c. f. k., as many people did in the cacerolasos, where most them blame on only c. f. k. for insecurity.
Not only the numbers the UN uses are from 2010 they are a fraud and altered
Apr 13th, 2014 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1679660-chile-cuba-y-argentina-tienen-las-tasas-de-homicidio-mas-bajas-de-america-latina
The homicide numbers at least quadruple official homicide rates that the gov’t informs and the UN uses in the 2010 report. This doesn’t come from a NGO, Clarin or any opposition party, it was a official dossier of the Argentine Health Ministry under Manzur.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1679660-chile-cuba-y-argentina-tienen-las-tasas-de-homicidio-mas-bajas-de-america-latina
The way the numbers are altered is by simply redefining the labeling of “deaths of external cause not determined” (it doesn’t mean a homicide statistically)
Just for example
In Rosario homicides officially decreased from 20 to 17 while “deaths of external cause not determined” increased in 2011. (Last year the City of Rosario was already too big of a bloodshed to hide and homicedes climbed to 200) Back in 2011 the Rosario cartel war wasn't known by the rest of the country, now its pretty much a Argentine Ciudad Juarez... However according to the UN and the Argentine gov't only 17 people died 3 years ago. As un realistic as that what Axel is saying
73 Axle Aarghh
Apr 13th, 2014 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ a report by u. n. says that arg., chile and cuba, have the lowest rates of murderers of latin america, in the case of arg., it's rate is 5 every 10000 inhabitants. ”
You are so full of crap - I bet not even you believe that - you would have to be stupid.
Oh yeah, you are.
Commenting for this story is now closed.
If you have a Facebook account, become a fan and comment on our Facebook Page!