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Ukraine falling to economic warfare and its own missteps
As protests in Ukraine's eastern region turned violent on Sunday leading to the death of a Ukrainian security officer in a shootout with pro-Russian militia, Kiev threatens military action while Moscow flexes its geo-economic warfare muscles. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnglolatino!
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember when you said the difference between the Kiev protests and the Donetsk ones where the fact that, in Kiev, the revolt was popular and involved women as well?
Well, it seems the Donetsk women are taking to the streets. Young ladies as older women.
Not only that, it seems the military Kiev sent to Eastern Ukraine turned on them and started waving Russian flags.
New deadline monday?
Will these new wave of soldiers commit to the cause of killing countrymen in order to uphold a non elected government, puppies of the West?
Why does the Swiss flag look like the Danish one?
So many questions, so little time...
;)
Putin's own goal in Ukraine is one of the most spectacular fails I have seen a country make. He may go down in history as the president who regained Crimea but lost Ukraine.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0And considering how the Russians think of Ukraine; this will resonate for decades.
At the same time he has almost singlehandedly ruined his (usual) main reason for popularity: the economy.
Russia is about to start a very sharp recession. Some estimates are for a contraction of 4%. The rouble is crashing and they have spent 7% I'd their reserves propping it up. Investment is fleeing hand over fist and companies that need to roll over Euro debt haven't.
Ukraine'a economic problems are self inflicted and have been for a long time. Now is the opportunity to tackle them. Russia's economic problems are new and internationally inflicted. Their pain hasn't even started yet.
Are you reading the news?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ukranian soldiers are changing sides. Those very same soldiers that were sent to take the eastern Ukranian cities back, took the tanks and changed side.
Putin will end up with Eastern Ukraina in his pocket. The wealthy part of the country.
EU will end up bailing for the poor part of the contry, and EU citizens will love it, using their taxes to support US warmonging.
But the real losers here will be the Ukranians, victims of national and international power hunger, paying for someones meal with their own country...
Congrats EU.
Congrats USA.
You reap what you sow...
I tried. Oh God I tried.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I tried so hard I caused a nose bleed.
I don't think I can do it any longer.
#1 I know I'm not Anglotino but...
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Strictly speaking, to claim the government is unelected is not entirely true. The MPs of the legislative branch (the Verkhovna Rada) were all elected. When Yanukovych fled (although perhaps driven out is more accurate) he de facto resigned, leaving the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada as an interim president, who in turn appoints the prime minister.
You see there is a subtlety here as to whether Yanukovych actually has de facto resigned. However, I hope you see that peddling the only-slightly true “non-elected government” is a half-truth at the very best, as all members of the government were in fact elected.
People may soon be killed again and that will be a great shame for the Ukraine. It's clear there is a geo-political rivalry between Russia and the West, with both involved in the recent unrest, but it is Russia that has just annexed/invaded the Crimea and is massing troops on its border. It is Russia that has doubled the price of gas, and threatened to cut off supplies, and it is Russia that has sent poorly disguised armed forces in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. It is Russia that has explicitly broken all its agreements with regards to Russia and has demonstrated its hypocrisy over its condemnation of recent NATO/Western military interventions (Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya et al.).
I'd prefer to be a puppy of the West than Russia's whipping boy.
You could devote your life to S&M for all I care...
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well I just can't do it.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't lower my IQ low enough to believe that armed men wearing identical uniforms raiding buildings in different cities at the same time using military manoeuvres and equipment such as walkie talkies was grass-roots..... but I just find it impossible.
Stevie can do it so much better it seems.
But I guess they are now lucky that they have all those women as human shields surrounding their captured buildings.
It's not me, nor RT stating they are Ukranians. Check the news. :)
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And by the way. How come your argument is solid in your head, all while you try to convince me the motorbikers in Venezuela are in fact paid by the government? You always do that, discrediting to fit your ideology.
Now lets see if this shoe fits...
;)
Oh so you are saying these protesters are paid for by a government too?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree they are. Not the human shields... they're the dupes. But the ones in matching uniforms, last seen suspiciously across Crimea before its Russian annexation, are indeed paid for by a government. Their own government.
It is said that Obama is playing checkers and Putin is playing chess...
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regaining Crimea and the industrial heartland of the Ukraine is worth a ton of worthless sanctions.
Nah, I think the protesters in Venezuela are paid by the production sector and those opposing democracy in the country.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also think the snipers in Kiev were paid by the current de facto government.
I love your argumentation tactics, it's all so simple this way...
Oh but it seems all the protesters are paid though.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok. I'll agree to that.
You included...
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it that so many of these South American dumbkopfs seem to love dictators? Or, are they just paid trolls, or nutters?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Castro, Maduro, CFK, Putin.... Either real or virtual dictators! Its like turkeys voting for Christmas?
Given that virtually none of them that post here actually live in their supposed home countries leads one to the conclusion that they are just trolls.
Sheesh Anglotino. RT..RUSSIAN Television said it wasn't Russia. Why don't you believe it now?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh how thick are you?
Stevie is a sad nutcase. I hope whatever EU country he is living in is invaded by Russia next.
You are pure evil Stevie, or really really stupid. I am not sure which.
Because your very definition of “dictator” is someone that does not agree with your politics.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Terrorist” is someone that dares to pick up arms against your invasive forces.
“Communist” is someone who feels the poor maybe should be helped instead of kept in the mud.
And we don't necessarily like them.
We just dislike you lot even more...
#16
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm pretty sure that admirable trait of communism existed for about 3 seconds. Countries that call themselves communist/socialist are typically either borderline or full dictatorial state capitalist (the former USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea) or populist regimes aimed at maintaining power by driving class conflict (current Venezuela).
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this “someone who feels the poor maybe should be helped instead of kept in the mud”. However, unless you have a strong active multi-party democracy (many of which are also constitutional monarchies) this often degenerates into one of the systems outlined above.
The countries which today have the lowest income inequality are typically western mixed economies NOT anyone calling themselves socialist/communist or even a peoples republic.
inthegutter
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“However, unless you have a strong active multi-party democracy”
Tories vs Labour?
Democrats vs Republicans?
Red vs Blue?
Pest and colera?
@16 etc. Poor, poor, poor Stevie. How could “enlightened” Putin fail to take an opportunity to sit down with the Ukrainian government and “negotiate” over areas of concern? Why would “enlightened” Putin have 40,000+ troops on the border with Ukraine? And the list of “protests” against the actions of “enlightened” Putin is where? Being stupid, the ordinary people of Britain pressured their leaders into not helping other ordinary people in Syria. The result satisfied all the cowards. Like they were being asked to go! The Syrian government has now managed to kill more than 150,000 people. Isn't that GOOD? More than 150,000 corpses. Men, women, children. Just lying there. Stinking. Rotting. Guts falling out. Bits missing because of the birds and animals. Lovely.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And actually, Stephanie, you big girl's blouse. a “dictator” is a thing that doesn't rule through proper democratic means. Most South American and latam places are such. “Terrorist” is a bit of scum that uses violence. Much like you wish you had the balls to do. And “communist” designates someone who thinks that what other people own should belong to them. Another word for it is “thief”!
USA killed 500.000 children in Iraq and counting. Not counting the adults.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems the decision not to intervene in Syria has saved a lot of human lives...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
“Is the Price worth it?
-It think it's a very hard choice. We think the Price is worth it.”
500000 children!!!
That's disgusting...
You are disgusting.
“We have heard that half million children have died in Iraq.”
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's your evidence is it?
“We have heard.”
If your going to post such allegations, before I start believing it, I am going to need just a little bit more than, “We have heard.”
Still I liked some of the comments, more ferkin interested in whether or not Albright was Jewish than whether or not the allegations are true!
Priceless!!!!!!!!!
She didn't have any objections to the claim, did she?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racist retard.....with a massive inferiority complex
poor Stevie
Ah, so it's a claim?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm, bit different from being the truth then, isnt it?
It's a claim indeed.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Based on studies performed by the Lancet and Bitish Opinion Research Business, together with data from the IBC.
Read all about it here:
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/deathcount/explanation
(I know, I know. A bunch of socialists and communists....)
White House officials has confirmed that the director of the Central Intelligence Agency visited Ukraine over the weekend, following reports in the Russian media. On Sunday, Moscow urged Washington to respond to allegations in the Russian press that CIA Director John Brennan had made an incognito visit to Ukrainian capital Kiev.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reports alleged that Brennan, who assumed the directorship of the CIA a year ago, traveled to Ukraine on official business under a false identity in order to avoid attention. Russian media further alleged that the CIA head met with a host of Ukrainian intelligence and security officials and advised them on how to respond to the ongoing crisis in eastern Ukraine.
LOL it is and always has been about the encirclement of Russia by the US and its NATO allies and has been happening since the end of the cold war slowly but surely, maybe Russia has decided to draw a line LOL
Russia needs to stop putting its country in the middle of NATO bases...
Apr 16th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the meantime, local civilians stops the tanks sent by Kiev to take back the Eastern Ukranian cities...
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/insurgents-in-kramatorsk-in-armored-personnel-carriers-fly-russian-flag-live-update-343745.html
Come on Angolatino, tell me those too are paid by the Russians :)
#20
Apr 16th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0USA killed 500.000 children in Iraq and counting.
A rather emotive phrase. What you are alleging is, that the USA has had a policy of slaughtering children. How have they done this?
By carpet bombing à la WW2 ? In that case, there should be twice that number of adult casualties. By putting them into death camps and then starving them to death, or gassing or by execution squads ?
Yes, I am sure a large number of Iraqui children have been killed directly by US forces, but not specifically targeted as a matter of policy which you are trying to infer.
Have not the largest amount of casualties been caused by the sectarian war in the country. Indiscriminate car bombings and suicide bombings killing anyone who is near.
Yes children were dying for lack of medical treatment and drugs under the US led sanctions before the invasion. Medical supplies were permitted under this regime but it was Sadam Hussein who refused to allow their import.
Wiki quote:-
During its last decade, the regime of Saddam Hussein cut public health funding by 90 percent, contributing to a substantial deterioration in health care.[1] During that period, maternal mortality increased nearly threefold
Since the invasion, medical practice has gone back to the dark ages in many cases with poor sanitation a main contributor.
Yes the US and the UK must bear some of the responsibility for actions in the invasion but S.H. had set the ball rolling in respect of public health..
By inferring that the US is totally responsible is arrant nonsense.
I understand it suits your political agenda but you are sadly mistaken.
You mean the Lancet is wrong and you are right?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde your failure is that you are using logic on the irrational. Besides, he is busy as yulena in another article defending is alter ego.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you fail yet again, Poppy...
Apr 16th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0per you which mean..........nothing from a nobody.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that Stevie believes the US's invasion of Iraq was wrong.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Russia's invasion of Ukraine isn't.
Double standards much?
Russia never invaded Ukraine, Anglolatino.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Crimea, the people voted and in the rest of Eastern Ukraine, it seems the locals prefer to be Russian.
Big win for Putin, he didn't even need to move a finger...
Look
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605828/Tanks-bearing-Russian-flag-roll-cities-eastern-Ukraine-Vladimir-Putin-warns-country-brink-civil-war.html
Seems like the tanks Kiev sent were well received. Most of them were stopped by civilians, while the rest turned cloak...
Yes yea Stevie.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Russia is doing nothing. Nothing at all.
No propaganda.
No troops.
Nothing.
Who knows, the next referendum could be in as little as 10 days. God I love democracy.
The 11th, Anglolatino.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's democracy for you.
Stevie, we Brasilians are in your side. Do you need fire power against this idiots?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t18ojPXWi4g&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
16 “Steve-Leno”
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0““Communist” is someone who feels the poor maybe should be helped instead of kept in the mud.”
Really, is that why you support Maduro, Syria, Putin?
Do you think “the poor ” are being helped at all by them - the people don't seem to like those governments.
As an “Anarchist”, how do you justify those unwanted, unpopular, Authoritarian states?
16 “Stevie”
“And we don't necessarily like them.
We just dislike you lot even more...”
So, it's not logical, just about hate, I see.
BTW, who's “we”, the people who manipulate you on their website for dupes?
Troy
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the Venezuelan people likes their government.
As they already showed you lot last time the poor rich ones tried a coup. Remember back in 2002?
Two Things in common with back then.
1. Poor rich ones wont achieve anything.
2. Poor rich ones wont achieve anything.
Easy!
By the way, an anarchist doesn't necessarily believe in a stateless society.
And no one hates you, you are not that important.
Troy “we” are all johnathan's persona's.....everything of the sock puppets it created.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 039 Stev-Leno
Apr 17th, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0the “poor rich ones” are not the people rebelling - that is a fiction you created.
The only “rich ones ” in Venezuela, are pals of Maduro - they rely on him for their wealth, oh and the ordinary people they take the money from.
It is the poor and the remnants of the educated Middle Class that are rebelling a Dictator who oppresses them.
Anarchy - “ not necessarily a stateless society” - right, but certainly NOT an Authoritarian Police State, either.
“Stev-puppet-Leno”, you are a hypocrite and a liar.
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Apr 17th, 2014 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie thinks that Venezuela is still the same as in 2002.
In 2002 you could wipe your arse with paper!
Angolatino
Apr 17th, 2014 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You use a handkerchief to wipe your mouth, don't you?
Well, if a handkerchief is good for wiping crap, I don't understand your criticism...
Troy
I've already posted links wit videos showing the poor rich ones arriving in Grand Cherokee's in order to protest against the government.
They even filmed the plates...
;)
Stevie
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you wanna use your handkerchief to wipe your nose and your arse....
Then the more power to you.
However it seems that Venezuelans don't share your hygiene habits and prefer to keep their what they wipe their steed with as far away from their face (and especially nose) as possible.
There's a marked preference for toilet paper in the modern world..... which was easy to find in 2002.
It's amazing what pushes some people to protest. No matter what car they drive; seems rich people sh!t as well.
The west lost in Ukraine and they will lose in Venezuela as well.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You see Anglolatino, Maduro gathered the serious right wing politicians in order to hold peace talks. This triggered the fury of the far right wingers, whom attacked the other ones verbally and in some occasions physically, stating Capriles and those who attended the peace talks did not represent them at all.
Now you only have the far right wing students protesting. And they seem to be represented by nobody but themselves.
I've seen this movie before, Anglolatino...
:)
Oh did the west HAVE Ukraine to lose?
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for losing Venezuela. Who wants it?
So now only some students can protest and not others. Interesting who you remove rights from when it serves you.
I've also seen this movie. It's the one where the west never loses. Don't you get it yet. Because the west isn't any single thing. Russia offers only one way. Venezuela offers only one way. The anti-west way.
But the west offers infinite ways. And that is why it will always win. Because the west can be the US or the UK or Australia. But it is also Cyprus and Estonia and Japan and Singapore and even places like Mexico and probably Chile.
And that is why the west won't lose Ukraine because Ukrainians will aspire to what the west offers. Venezuelans will aspire to what the west offers. Because the heavy hand of fascism in Russia and the poverty-inducing policies of Venezuela that only enriches the political elite.
The west can wait centuries if need. It stared down the dictatorships of The Soviet Union until its people could stand it no longer and tore it down themselves from within.
The west doesn't lose. Because it is people that aspire to it.
And governments can only stand against their people for so long until they fall.
Nah Anglolatino
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Western economies are soon facing reality.
With their debts exploding and a GDP that finds it impossible to expand at the same pace, the only possible outcome is massive inflation until you reach a point of default.
It's simply not bearable.
And you think your economies will cut down their expenses?
You think they will even try to fish votes by telling the truth?
What is the truth, Anglolatino? That you lot have been living over your means for generations? That all you have been accomplishing is a product of other people's work? That your kids have been spoonfed off the shoulders of the masses?
Is that even acceptable?
https://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2010/07/12/Quadrillion-Dollar-Debt--Day-of-Reckoning--Looms.aspx
https://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2010/07/12/Quadrillion-Dollar-Debt--Day-of-Reckoning--Looms.aspx - Choose your country
:)
47 Stev- Leno
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...you lot have been living over your means for generations? That all you have been accomplishing is a product of other people's work? That your kids have been spoonfed off the shoulders of the masses?”
That sounds like Argentina and a number of other populist or holy fascist/communist regimes you support, Stevie.
We know you are not concerned about “ the masses” - you ridicule their plight under the Dictators.
None of the countries you declare as communist and populist have amounted the same mass of debt as your parasite nations, I beg your pardon...
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0look at the standard of living for the masses, compared to the excesses of your ruling elite.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at how you finance the party:
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36349.html
That's one analysts thoughts... What are yours?
;)
Stevie
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People have been predicted the end of the west since before I was born. And yet it is all the other systems that have failed and fallen away. The Soviet Union. Communist China. Apartheid. Every military dictatorship in the Americas except Cuba.
Russia has no growth and doesn't produce anything export raw materials.
No one in the west is clocking up debt like Venezuela.
Choma doesn't even know how much it owes and the defaults have started.
The west isn't a single system. So it can keep changing and adapting. So while there are failures like Greece and Spain, others move on.
You can only measure the west by debts because you can't find any other weakness.
Like all your bankrupt philosophies you are a one trick pony. Debt debt debt.
Well I guess we'll just have to keep waiting for this mythical finale where the west disappears because of debt.
Until then... our ranks grow. Venezuelans. Uruguayans. Ukrainians. Chinese.
They're all choosing our way and not yours.
The funny thing is that you are proof this. You choose to live in the west bahahahaha.
Welcome to our side Stevie.
Did you read the article?
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it you have no other argument than your usual “everything is gonna be alright”.
Of course I'm on your side on this matter. The faster the system crashes, the better. And if I can add my part to the meltdown, I will fulfill my duty.
;)
I'm still waiting for the meltdown.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you feel that you are important enough to add to it; then be my guest. I am not important enough to add nor detract from it.
And of course everything is gunna be alright. Because the demise of the west is one of the most predicted event that has still to happen.
But while we wait, more families such as yours join us.
Still not commenting on the article?
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie,
Apr 17th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparent from the article - the West is at a disadvantage - they have to behave ethically.
Russia is using that to their advantage, but do not feel constrained by ethics at all.
Fair summation?
The People aren't fooled - they lived through it with the Soviets and the Ukraine genocide.
I think this is what you and Putin feel is a “return to glory”.
That must be why the eastern Ukranians are begging Putin to interfere while locals stops the Ukranian tanks sent by Kiev...
Apr 17th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the article, I meant this one
www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36349.html
Like his opinions or not, the problem is still there.
Any comments?
57. Stevie - I'm sorry about this but the world isn't the way you'd like it to be. I do sympathise though I'm sure that I too would perceive the world the way you do if I maybe halved my IQ and limited my window on the world to what Russia Today broadcasts. I know your trying to play this role of being the great contrarian and hero of the third world but it's not really working for you. Your arguments are weak and the links you put up in support of your lunacy are just kind of funny but in a “tin foil hat” sort of way.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Instead, you quarter your IQ and limit your window to what CNN and offspring broadcasts...
Apr 17th, 2014 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 Cognito
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...it's not really working for you. Your arguments are weak and the links you put up in support of your lunacy are just kind of funny but in a “tin foil hat” sort of way.”
LOL, hilarious!!
please Stevie, tell us, what is your greater moral cause that justifies oppressing the ordinary people, the masses???
Mmmm now Jews are being asked to “register” in this new People's Republic.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey you lot, what about those investigations about who was responsible for the murdering of about 80 peoples in Kiev?
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, the one I claimed they had put on ice for reasons only they know themselves and you lot assured it was an on-going investigation but that it would take time?
Anyone heard anything yet? No?
Ashton?
Nobody?
Stevie,
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0deflection??
Back to the greater moral issue,
Please tell is how you justify oppressing / attacking, the populations of women and children, and the “working poor ” in Venezuela, Syria, the Ukraine, and while we are at it, Gad- daffy'a Libya ???
How does “we just dislike you more” make you condone
Maduro's moto-Collectivos firing on unarmed students and protestors??
How about your support for Russia supplying arms to Syria to use against their people, in return for what?? Oil???
I thought that was the crime you accused the West of. That was your justification for hating them.
An Anarchist would never approve of a population under the sway of an Authoritarian State like Venezuela, Syria, or Russia, or a state like Argentina where CFK rules by decree.
You are a hypocrite and a Fraud.
So much for your concerns for human rights and dignity.
Easy Troy
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't.
I'm all for prosecuting all those police officers that have committed any crimes in their actions against the demonstrators in Venezuela.
As has been done.
Regarding Syria I have no opinions other than the place is a mess. I refuse to choose between sides I don't agree with.
As for Ukraine, I merely highlight your lots double morals. You saluted the demonstrations in Kiev defending democracy. Now do the same for the people in Donetsk.
In Libya, the West removed a man that, with all his flaws, did a better job in keeping people alive than the mess left by the West. Like it or not.
Maduros “colectivos” is merely happening in your head.
Russias weapon supply to Syria, I condemn just as strongly as I condemn the Western weapon supply to Syria, via Saudi Arabia. And their weapon supply to Saudi Arabia altogether.
Anything else?
64 Stevie
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Maduros “colectivos” is merely happening in your head.”
Like it or not, there are YouTube videos of them attacking crowds of unarmed women and student protestors.
Reported on the radio in Canada, Jews in Eastern Ukraine are being told to register with the (Russian) Authorities.
We've just stepped back 100 years in the Ukraine - is Russia going to finish off the Ukrainian Jews, this time?
But hey, “Stevie” cheer them on - it's ok because you dislike us more than them, right??
Do “your duty”!
“Like it or not, there are YouTube videos of them attacking crowds of unarmed women and student protestors.”
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... And according to FOX News, it's Maduro's men...
I read about the Jews being registered. Accusations come from Kiev. Donetsk denies any involvement and repudiates the actions. Seems there is nothing for me to defend as your accusation is a no-go...
I'm still laughing that Stevie thinks the Maidan protests are the same as undercover Russian soldiers taking over building in Donetsk and declaring an independent country.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Toooootallly the same. LOL.
So many residents in eastern Ukraine don't even recognise the people in uniform. You know the matching uniforms. Not even Maidan after several weeks managed to have matching uniforms.
Anglolatino
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what kind of news you get own under, but the fact that he protesters in eastern Ukraine are Ukranians is widely accepted in every major news site in the world that doesn't suffer from russofobia.
Ukranian miners building barricades, notice the baseball bat (regular Russian military equipment):
http://o.canada.com/news/ukraine-miners-take-to-donetsk-streets-in-uprising-that-mimics-kyiv-protests/
Here you have two older women (military?). One dressed in green and the other in matching purple:
http://o.canada.com/news/ukraine-miners-take-to-donetsk-streets-in-uprising-that-mimics-kyiv-protests/
Here you have another matching picture of your Rainbow soldiers.
Notice how politics is made in Kiev further down the page. I think it's called “fisting” but I could be wrong:
http://o.canada.com/news/ukraine-miners-take-to-donetsk-streets-in-uprising-that-mimics-kyiv-protests/
You need more?
Stevie - I don't think the “West” has a problem with self determination (possibly excluding Latin countries). If Ukraine wants to divide itself in 2 then good for them. It's not up to us to criticise a people who think a customs union with Russia and Belarus is better than one with the EU. However I think the “west has a problem with how Russia has acted in regards to Ukraine. It's intolerable to seize and annexe land from another country without the consent of that country, especially if prior to this you've previously signed a treaty guaranteeing that country's borders. Russia is acting irrationally and I think we can only account for that by questioning the psychology of Putin.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is this man that you so bravely support? Wasn't he the constitutional vandal who put personal vanity ahead of constitutional integrity. Whilst he didn't strictly disobey the law of the 2 term presidency limit he certainly broke the principle of it. Or maybe he's the homophobe who's become a gay icon? Or is he the feckless thug who seizes Ukrainian lands by force? More likely he's the village idiot who thinks pissing off his country's main markets is a really good idea when 70% of the Russian federal budget is based upon Gasoil exports. My own perception of Mr P is that he's a little bit ”odd”. I don't think we're necessarily all living in the same universe as Mr P. I think he resides in is own special place where all the clocks stopped in 1979 and the wallpaper is made up of ghastly orange and brown colours.
Yes yes Stevie the same.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now will all Jews please quietly line up and register with their new government.
You mean like NATO did in Kosovo?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop your hypocrisy, you are fooling no one...
It's alright Stevie. You're not Jewish. You'll be alright.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're not Palestinean. You'll be alright too...
Apr 18th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Kiev Ukrainian Government is 'Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea'.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pro-Russian Ukrainians and Russian Crimeans now holding government buildings across Donetsk and Eastern Ukraine are largely their own people.
The world has let Russia annex part of The Ukraine - the Crimea.
Putin is poised to to 'defend' these 'own people' in Eastern Ukraine - which will cause the Russian armies to roll into the Ukraine.
Which will put the US and the UK in a dilemma, since they have a defence pact to defend The Ukraine against foreign aggressors.
This is even more dangerously balanced than the start of World War 1.
Canada is sending CF-18's for NATO
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/world/europe/efforts-to-register-jews-in-ukraine-are-denounced-and-denied.html?action=click&contentCollection=Space%20%26%20Cosmos®ion=Footer&module=TopNews&pgtype=article
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people responsible for the uprising in Eastern Ukraine have denied being part of and codemned those actions.
Now, why don't you ever raise your voice when the Jews bombs Palestinean children? When they occupy Palestinean territory? Intead of condemning it, your nation funds them...
DIckhead.....show me one post.....one were I support Israel? One.....I've posted once on this site regarding Israel.....go find it and tell me what it states please. In the meantime.....show me one post as I stated in support of Israel and provide PROOF as well that elsewhere (off MP) that's I am NOT denouncing Israel's actions.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The burden of prove rests with you as you implicate the claim I do not.
Your ignorance lies in premise, that like you, you assume I am American therefore I support all American actions. Something you lot all have to do. Why is that with you lot?
Now find my post, provide some proof or runaway. Better yet, do what you do best......post a question to alter this discourse.
It's not what you say, Poppy. It' what you are silent about...
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show an article on this website relating to Israel where you feel I should have made a statement?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only Israel, Poppy. You always have an opinion about our countries in South America, while your own is the most vicious terrorist nation this planet ever seen.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But of course it's more convenient to point at other countries, for the truth must indeed be unbearable.
And should you defend the actions of your country, maybe you should simply shut up and watch...
It's not what you say, we know it's all bollocks. It's what you don't say.
Well if you feel you can shut me up I shall shut up. But.....in the meantime, I will continue to post on a website dedicated to news events in South America ofr many reasons, primarily:
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-I am free to speak my mind
2-I have a connection
3-Because I can
Browse for local websites in my state and see me post not only about my country, but my state and other states as well.
In the meantime, you continue to speak without prove, avoided my questions I posed to you, you simply ramble on like pissing in the wind, talking like a man with a paper asshole.
Find those websites and you'll see my positions on the USA, rather than assuming what they are based on criticizing the corrupt idiots that runs many SA countries. Something you cannot admit because, well, you've never been there johnathan.
You're a man (assumption) of no conviction only indoctrination's. More so ...you are stagnant in your believes and do no change to adapt. That is why socialism and communism you will always fail.
Feel free, Poppy. You are yet another source for my laughter...
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent, unlike you with no effect on me.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't get an answer last time around, so I try again...
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey you lot, what about those investigations about who was responsible for the murdering of about 80 peoples in Kiev?
You know, the one I claimed they had put on ice for reasons only they know themselves and you lot assured it was an on-going investigation but that it would take time?
Anyone heard anything yet? No?
Ashton?
Nobody?
So you divert my question then go off somewhere and ask Ashton a question. Poor johnathan........
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You asked no question, Poppy. You merely defended your right to post drivel...
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps your reading comprehension is not what you think it to be:
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”78 Captain Poppy (#)
Apr 18th, 2014 - 02:50 pm
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DIckhead.....show me one post.....one were I support Israel? One.....I've posted once on this site regarding Israel.....go find it and tell me what it states please. In the meantime.....show me one post as I stated in support of Israel and provide PROOF as well that elsewhere (off MP) that's I am NOT denouncing Israel's actions.
The burden of prove rests with you as you implicate the claim I do not.
Your ignorance lies in premise, that like you, you assume I am American therefore I support all American actions. Something you lot all have to do. Why is that with you lot?
Now find my post, provide some proof or runaway. Better yet, do what you do best......post a question to alter this discourse.”
And you did live up to my last line. You are as predictable as a Kirchner speech and an bus driver's rambling accusations
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/03/21/mujica-confirms-uruguay-will-accept-guantanamo-prisoners-as-refugees
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Post #102
I quote:
“#100 I wholehearted agree that there are extremists in every religion. However the major difference is I do no see Jews strapping bombs to their chests and blowing voting stations, I do not see Christians stealing jets and dive bombing them in buildings, I do not see Buddhist tossing acid in the faces of women for going to school and I have yet to see Hindu's killing their daughters for being raped.
I have known many Muslims and have coffeed with many families. But.....the impact of radical Muslims are far more reaching than the radicals of all other religions combined.
You have half breed south american's have never been to the other side of the world. Stick to the chip on your shoulders, that is what you half breeds know best.”
Seems you don't see Jews murdering Palestine chidren either. As you are blind to the fact that they are annexing Palestine terriory...
I do not see jews strapping bombs on their chests is supporting Israel. I appreciate the fact that you actually responded. And....I will certainly clarify that I DO NOT SEE ISRAEL AS A TERRORIST STATE as Iran, Syria and many others. However, that does not support your claim that I indeed support Israel in general and of itself as a state/nation. Your claim is the same limp connection as the USA as a terrorist state.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me where in the Middle East have to stepped foot on?
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/11/argentina-iran-accord-increases-crossfire-between-government-and-jewish-community
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Post #36
I quote:
“Maybe rgentina should start fucking around with Israel. We all know how passive the Israelis are.........lol. They will not give a shit whether rgentina has an army or not. Throw a rock at them and you will have missles raining down on the pink house........lol”
Seems you find pleisure in the fact that they bomb Palestineans for throwing rocks...
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/11/argentina-iran-accord-increases-crossfire-between-government-and-jewish-community
Post #123 a response to my #120
I quote myself:
“Damn you lot are stuck in history. Try grasping this; Stop aiding terrorists in Israel TODAY. Stop killing women and children TODAY. Vassal states or leaching ones, all of you.”
Your response:
“Man...now Israel........did you forget your ADHD meds to little steverina? You are all over the globe you poor bastard. Well probably not poor, you do live in Europe.
“because the fate of the “third world” shouldn't be of your concern either.”
Actually it's not my concern. However it is my countries and the concern of many other countries as well. It must be frustrating being the bastard son of an exiled terrorist. Your believes are so shallow and empty that you are afraid to return to your homeland to make changes that you think you believe in and live by. You cannot materialize into reality and incapable of practicing what you preach. Yet you continue to preach to those here on this website, the best you can do. DO not fret, we are not laughing at you, we are merely laughing with you.
Your incompetent statements could not be farther from reality.
Musky.....the LoN and UN only work for these terrorists like stevie when it fits their needs.....convenience.”
You had plenty of opportunities to show your disagreement with Israel, Poppy.
Instead, you use their behaviour to mock and laugh, calling facts as distant from reality.
I actually feel embarrassed of your continual misfires.........we call that a crack and thud. I think China also does not fuck around as we all laugh and tell Argentina to default on the Chinese and see what happens. That hardly demonstrates I support China.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You want that denouncement of Israel......search the archives for my post of my actual disposition of the state of Israel. Claiming that Israel fucks with anyone that fucks with them is no support. In the word of an Englishman.....you're daft!
As for please oin bombing for throwing rocks, I would not take the liberty you have to make that large of a stretch. However.....I fully believe:
Hit me with a stick, I will cut you with a knife
Carry a knife and you will see my gun
Got a tank? Check out my A10
I respect that because I believe in “walk softly but carry the biggest fucking stick”
You don't like it?.....mmmmm......So!
It's ashame you refuse to search for my position when I started posting here. You are so pathetic as you continue to slide a round peg into a square hole by making a connection that just cannot exist because it does not exist.
I think this is a concept you cannot wrap your head around. I can find admiration in people, countries even my enemy in combat, even when I am totally and philosophically out of alignment with them. Integrity and grit is something you should study and learn the definition of one day johnathan. You can only admire those who think as you do. You are driven by hate and white man's guilt........a typically white man liberal.
I really care little of what you think of me, my preference is that you have no opinion or thought s of me but if you must I prefer it to be hatred.
Again....prove yourself to be the man you claim to be and meet me face to face in Buenos Aires or Montevideo
I quote:
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”DIckhead.....show me one post.....one were I support Israel? One.....I've posted once on this site regarding Israel.....go find it and tell me what it states please. In the meantime.....show me one post as I stated in support of Israel and provide PROOF as well that elsewhere (off MP) that's I am NOT denouncing Israel's actions. “
I showed you three posts, not one, where you, indirectly if you wish, support Israels actions by lauging at the prospect of getting bombed for throwing stones, instead of condemning the very fact.
I also provided you with proof that you indeed don't denounce Israels actions.
But there's more:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/12/19/president-obama-re-election-feat-makes-him-time-person-of-the-year
Post #11:
I quote:
”The NB was a stupid move, but that has nothing to do with the USA. MOTY has strange criteria. Ayayay, it's obvious you have no clue why the USA supports Israel.”
No denouncing, but support, if indirect.
I do applaud Israels actions, as in some instances China as well. But hardly means I agree .
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow....that's as powerful a connection as Iraq and yellowcake.
I know my position, you do not but could as it is definitely spelled out in the first two months I posted.
Tsk tsk.....believe what your insipid mind wishes, it is of no concern to me. As I stated:
“I really care little of what you think of me, my preference is that you have no opinion or thought s of me but if you must I prefer it to be hatred.”
You waste too much time of me.
You asked for a response and you got it.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now please show me a post where you actually condemn any of Israels actions, because I can assure you I can find plenty of posts where you condemn Chinese actions...
Check out the news site I post in the USA. If you must know my position, I posted it in my first two months here. I have neither enough regard, respect or concern of your opinion of me to utter more than a response to your incessant yet hollow diatribes. Believe what you will.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You done then? Great!
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now...
Hey you lot, what about those investigations about who was responsible for the murdering of about 80 peoples in Kiev?
You know, the one I claimed they had put on ice for reasons only they know themselves and you lot assured it was an on-going investigation but that it would take time?
Anyone heard anything yet? No?
Ashton?
Nobody?
sure......I didn't think you would look for my posted position on Israel. No one is ever willing to prove themselves wrong.....especially you lot.....right johnathan?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's this, Stevie ... you want people to talk *on the topic*!?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I looked, and what I found is what I posted.
Now, either you are lying or a bit confused. Care to prove me wrong?
Talk about what you wish, Geoff..
None of you wishes to respond to my question, by the way? Anglolatino?
Perhaps my clue was too subtle of when I posted it in the two two months of posting here.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the only subtle thing here is your credibility...
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you perceive and I also agree with your impression as I would not think you to think anything but that. However, I wanted to call you before to prove I am who I say I am and where I reside and have been to, something you avoid, proving who you are and being who you are I can appreciate that.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I would say that you could improve your own credibility by meeting me in Montevideo, Buenos Aires or perhaps another choosing because, not being an American would make it rather difficult to meet in SA........or that call from here in Massachusetts, Buenos Aires, Montevideo....and I may be finally seeing Chile later this year as well.....so maybe even there. BUT.........lol, I understand you cannot.
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Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Credibility ???
Stevie, you are the one with no credibility.
You are NOT the SUPA TUPA you claimed to be.
You are NOT living in Uruguay
You are NOT an advocate for the rights of the poor
You are NOT a defender of personal freedom
...in spite of your your moralising and protests, you have shown yourself to be just the opposite.
So much for Stevie 's credibility!
Poppy
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you want to meet? I have no interest in befriending you. I despise all you stand for and would only mock you in public. Why would you want that?
Troy
Sure Troy. Whatever you say Troy.
Bye Troy.
Friend? Seriously? Why do you take everything to extremes in all that you read? Friendship.....honestly johnathan....it's no wonder who you became you.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am fairly thick skinned and have some holes to prove that. I actually feel somewhat flattered that I have made enough of an impression on you to think long enough to form an opinion that you despise me and all that I am. I continue to banter in hopes that at some point, you as well could seem enough of something for me to give more than motor driven thought to hate, despise, admire.........anything. But you have not reached that level of more that inadvertent stomach pang.
That being said you could never mock me in public.....perhaps in your fantasies. You would have to be in the same hemisphere for that to happen........and not you. You can talk and walk but not carry your own load of convictions.
I don't despise you, Poppy. Merely what you stand for.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not you fault, you are nothing but a product of your environment...
Sure johnathan whatever. If you want to play sematics, how about this:
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You depise all that you think I stand for. based on all that you know nothing of me on. And I understand you had to come back with that considering that in order to despise me would take an impression as I pointed out to you.
You could have saved time and just say.....“ditto” that too. BTW...what environment would that be.....I mean, what hemisphere? The wealthy in SA?
I admit to have formed an opinion about you based on the stuff you have posted over the months I've been reading the comment sections on MP.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you are deliberate prick when interacting with people without having to put face to your words.
If that's the case, I can only feel pity for you.
There's a reason I restrain from insulting...
again I am flattered you spent time. I however offered my face AND voice to you but you petered away. I believe you are the one without a face to words.....thus in your own phase.....must be the “deliberate prick”
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still extend my offer to put a face to my words.....and a voice on a call. You my dear anglo are the one not putting a face to words.
Why would you say that? I merely offer my opinions without resorting to personal attacks. How can that be being a deliberate prick?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm anglo now?
Hahahahaha!!!
Hey johnathan, I'd love to stay and play in the sandbox, but it's Good Friday and my wife be a Porteña, I have places to go. ¿You know what I mean¿ It has been a busy week, something heathens do not comprehend, ¿right¿
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Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll take your face Pops....jump on a flight...or was all that talk of being able to visit Europe via company all BS and only meant for Stevie.....
...favouritism....
Of course it was meant for johnathan....er...stevie. However I always love when the calvary comes to stevies rescue, she often needs it. But I would alter my agendda just for you.
Apr 19th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-provide me you telephone number
2-your name and deed information of your property in Trout Run
I do need to verify you are who you say you are. Last thing I am going to do is make a run to Oslo (or wherever you live....lol)and having the joke on me with no one there to meet. It's been what......a year since you told us of your land in PA and that is soooo close to me. BTW......are they doing semi annual or quarterly property tax bills?
So like I said a reasonable verification first voice.
Poppy, what do you expect to do when you meet me?
Apr 19th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Say hi?
And then what?
You want us to hurt eachother? I'm not violent, but not stupid either....
Voice,
Apr 19th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was YOU who challenged people to meet you in a Glasgow Starbucks.
“If you dare” was implied, if not specifically stated.
Uncomfortable ??
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Apr 19th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm very comfortable about meeting people...everyone always backs down, but not me.
Having said that....I'm not stupid enough to give someone my name and deed info and then they say thanks and publish it on here.....Doh!
Pops what do you mean by semi annual.....it's split... first you pay the County Tax then later in the year you pay School tax...it never used to be. I used to pay it all to the County...Lycoming but now the township get their cut....
I did complain and mention I don't have any children attending school in PA....
......they laughed....
I wasn't coming to Stevie's rescue......I was jealous...;-)
Voice, I have a questions, since you live in a cold, rainy, dreary, hilly place why would you buy a vacation home in a cold, dreary, foggy, hilly place that is difficult to get to?
Apr 20th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't make much sense to me.
They do have somewhat of a unique operation as a local government and hardly a Town Hall, wouldn't you say voice? Unlike any I've seen in Massachusetts small towns.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well.....ok, you are not stupid enough to “give out your name” or your phone number and you like....er....comfortable meeting people. Yes I will fly off into the wild blue yonder without any corroborating information of someone I am to meet. Just go off to Europe to meet....I do not know who, I have no name, to land at....I have no idea....I have no clue.
I suppose I am the one backing down like everyone else who would like to meet you.
Damn....seems I painted myself into a corner!
My regards to all and a Good Easter to everyone......including the heathens...........lol
“Stevie”
Apr 20th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is gone now.
Voice is working the Easter Weekend
Shifts Troy.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stevie as for violence and stupidity.....I believe you do not possess that capacity. The latter speaks for itself.
Stevie.....I may or may not possess the capacity for violence, but you should not be concerned either way.
Your convictions are limited to the virtual world and apparently they are not strong enough to substantiate in person.
Poppy, your foot soles are rainbow coloured from all your painting by now...
Apr 20th, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trying to dig through all the propaganda and hyperbole in Ukraine, I can only find 12 buildings that have been taken over and kept. There doesn't seem to be any actual territory taken over.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The headquarters of the largest and biggest occupation in the Donetsk RSA building doesn't even have electricity because they don't actually control any infrastructure.
The 6 troops carriers that were captured have now all been returned.
The heavy hand of a supposedly fascist government in Kyiv has failed to materialise with only 8 deaths of pro-Russian activists so far and 4 pro-Ukrainian persons. Hardly what you would call civil war or a revolution.
The popular uprising or anarchy that was supposed to be widespread doesn't seem to be happening. Especially considering there is supposed to be a referendum in exactly 21 days on 'sovereignty' in Donetsk. Who will print the ballot papers when they don't even have electricity?
So here are the four Oblasts that Russia is hoping will connect Russia with Crimea and Transnistria. Putin's oft mentioned Novorossiya. So far they don't seem to be having much luck. Might be time to send in the troops soon.
Current occupation or liberation depending on your viewpoint:
Donetsk Oblast - Donetsk People's Republic proclaimed.
Donetsk RSA building.
Kramatorsk City Hall and police station.
Mariupol city administration building.
Sloviansk city council building.
Hirlivka police station.
Druzhkivka district administration building.
Khartsyzk council building.
Zhdanovka council building.
Seversk local administration building and police station.
Luhansk Oblast - Lugansk Parliamentary Republic was maybe proclaimed.
Luhansk SBU building.
Kharkiv Oblast - Kharkov People's Republic proclaimed.
No areas outside government control.
Odessa Oblast - Odessa People's Republic proclaimed by some anonymous group.
No areas outside government control.
Seems all is fine in eastern Ukraine then, Anglolatino...
Apr 20th, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They just held an extraordinary meeting in Geneve about the matter, for no particular reason.
Australia should really send you to tell them what's really going on...
Just reread my post and can't seem to find where I claimed “all is fine”.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please provide a reference. Voices in your head don't count.
Here's what I did say:
* 12 buildings that have been taken over and kept
* doesn't seem to be any actual territory taken over.
* their headquarters doesn't have electricity
* 6 troops carriers that were captured have now all been returned
* fascists seem to be light on the ground
Nope. Didn't say everything was fine. Just not as bad as the propaganda makes out.
Anything you want to add that I've missed. Any mayhem or terror that I've overlooked.
What is your point then, other than a biased update?
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because I can assure you there is no such thing as “only” when you are in the middle of the mess...
You missed out on the Right Sector shooting and killing “separatists” from vehicles. I understand you think “only” 5 people died, but still...
Yes....yes of course they are rainbow voice. But my offer still stands. Only allow me to validate who you are. Though I know that is something also you lack the capacity to do. Though it does not matter.....everyone here has your ticket punched.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you can tell the difference between me and A_Voice, I definately see your problem.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are only fishing for info, Poppy, the first thing you did when I sent you an e-mail was to publish “my” name on here.
Luckily, I'm not as stupid as you...
John Stevens... I mean, come on, Pops!!
;)
Stevie
Apr 20th, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry that I caught you flat-footed and that you are now vainly clutching at straws.
First off, why biased? What is biased? You haven't refuted anything I said. If you can find more than the 12 buildings being taken over I'll gladly stand corrected.
If you can find actual territory held by any forces other than governmental, then tell me.
“You missed out on the Right Sector shooting and killing “separatists” from vehicles. I understand you think “only” 5 people died, but still...”
Voices in your head again? I quote:
“8 deaths of pro-Russian activists so far and 4 pro-Ukrainian persons.”
That's TWELVE by my count. Not FIVE.
And that includes your incident. Hardly a blood bath. How many people do you claim the fascist protesters in Kyiv killed? More than TWELVE.
“Because I can assure you there is no such thing as “only” when you are in the middle of the mess...”
In the middle of WHAT? 12 buildings and 12 dead. Those 4 oblasts have 118,000km2 with 11,900,000 people.
A mess is what it is. Because it sure as hell isn't a revolution or popular uprising.
That's 0.0009 of its land occupied and 0.0001 of its population killed.
Even adding all those women and children, there are hardly any protesters on the streets.
Indeed the protesters can't even agree. In Mariupol, there were 3 groups occupying the city administration building. After Geneva the 3 groups couldn't agree what to do and 2 groups left. 1 group of 20 people is now the occupying power in this city 500,000.
You are right. It is a mess. I'm thinking Russia will probably need to invade soon as this isn't the sort of mess that Putin was hoping for.
Nah Anglolatino, Right Sector are not “Pro-Ukranian”, they are outright Nazis.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your bias lies in your “only”, because as far as I know, the protests in Kiev were “only” in Kiev and not across western Ukraine. This doesn't stop you from justifying their actions...
Stevie
Apr 20th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Nazi” is a hot- button term RT are using to villifying the Ukes - we both know it is ridiculous.
You do yourself a disservice using that term - it make you look like a childish fanatic or a dupe.
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Apr 20th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure you live in North America...? DC or New York..?
There is no difference between the weather in PA or New York or DC....only when you get down to Virginia do you really notice a difference even then not in the Appalachians....
We have 90 degree summers, mild Autumn.....cold, dreary, foggy...are you thinking of the film version of London....and Sherlock holmes..
The hills are covered in hardwoods in PA ....Scotland they are all conifers so you don't get the beautiful Autumn change like in PA....
I don't like cities...I like fresh air..few vehicles...plenty of space....
I did have a townhouse 12 years ago in St Petes...Florida...private beach, tennis courts, pool...gated community.....I hated the heat....sold it to some snowbirds.....
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I give up on you Pops...if you can't tell the difference between my English and Stevie's English.....
For example.....
Stevie's comment on the other thread...
“Bet it was Xuxa. Nothing makes you lot more quiet than a slap of truth...”
If I were to write that it would be....
“Bet it was Xuxa. Nothing makes you lot quieter than a slap of truth...”
Stevie ...did he really publish your name after sending him an email...?
What a cad...so I was right, it is exactly what he would do.....
I keep people's secrets.....
One silly boy on here after already telling me where he was born previously...then was stupid enough to publish his driving licence on here as a jpg, but carefully blanking his name and date of birth....silly boy didn't realise on a UK driving licence that your date of birth is also repeated in the Driver no....but backwards and clearly shown...
So ...census...town...date of birth.....Doh!
I think, maybe Anglotino tried to warn him to remove it.....too late...
I keep secrets......
http://www.globalresearch.ca/eu-and-ukrainian-regime-seek-to-discipline-fascist-right-sector/5376658
Apr 20th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.globalresearch.ca/eu-and-ukrainian-regime-seek-to-discipline-fascist-right-sector/5376658
http://www.globalresearch.ca/eu-and-ukrainian-regime-seek-to-discipline-fascist-right-sector/5376658
(German)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/eu-and-ukrainian-regime-seek-to-discipline-fascist-right-sector/5376658
Nazis.
Nothing to do with Russia.
vocie....stevie....john, whoever you want to be today......check out the “open records” law in PA. You obviously do not come to the USA ....Trout Run much as you couldn't meet me. So they have to be sending your tax bill to Europe to pay it. It's not like credit cards with auto pay for taxes in the USA. Also....real estate ownership is open and public records.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never clamed I've been to USA, Pops, Nor will I ever go.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You check out your open records, I could sincerely not care less...
Seems you English is deteriorating. You should visit those you claim to know and critique. But why bother, it would only give you validity of your POV. BTW.....you can't go.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think I can, since the Tupas were considered terrorists in USA. Although they are not an active organisation, so who knows.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either way, why would I want to visit that oligarchy?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10769041/The-US-is-an-oligarchy-study-concludes.html
Quite funny, as you lot always tell us how undemocratic we are and how our universities fail to take any top spots in your very own lists.
Here you have a study from Princeton University, number 10 or so in your very own lists, calling USA an oligarchy...
;)
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Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF are you talking about Pops...are you sure English is your first language....
You are not making any sense whatsoever....
What about the “Open Records Law”...in what way does this relate to me...?
Do you know anything about the States at all....Yankee-land is backward the banking system and government tax system belongs to a third world country....
They do not have Direct Debit for goodness sake....you cannot call them on the phone and pay your County Tax or School Tax with a credit or debit card...
The answer has always been... you can send a cheque (check to you)
..reply...“do you accept a UK bank cheque...?”...“Er no we don't.....”
Only now, have they been introducing online facilities.....like I said the US is about 5 years behind everyone else.....friggin rednecks.....
..and yes they will send your bill to whatever address in the world that you want them to.....
Now stop fishing for information....
You must think I'm stupid......I can see the cogs turning in your brain from here....
I'm sure there must be smart Yanks in the world...but I've never met one....
BTW..my friggin English never deteriorates....
Stevie
Apr 21st, 2014 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I totally agree that there are fascists groups and elements in Ukraine. I've never denied that. However, considering how many fascists there are; there seems to be a severe lack of mayhem and murder going on. If anyone can update the 12 murders in the east of Ukraine, I will happily stand corrected.
However until then, it would seem with fascists running freely and seemingly in control of roving bands of thugs; they don't seem to be doing a great deal.
Seems Russia will have to find a new excuse to invade as no one seems to be playing the parts they are supposed to.
Indeed the latest “massacre” involves:
* four cars approaching a roadblock and opening fire
* at the same time the roadblock was attacked by snipers in the surrounding area
* two cars were burnt while the other two escape with dead bodies
* the rear of the two cars was actually shot from BEHIND and at GROUND level and not from the roadblock - seems a little strange!
And the result from an attack by FEARLESS and RAMPAGING fascists from Right Sector according to RT.com?
3 dead!
And now the howls of people for Russia to send “peace keepers” to help stop this carnage.
3 dead!
Seems Russia might finally have its excuse to invade......
But wait, thankfully they captured one of the attackers who confessed all.
It is amazing that it wasn't worse. Supposedly the 26 civilians that were armed with nothing more than bats were attacked by people with equipment such as “a machine gun, a night vision device, aerial photos of Slavyansk, military uniforms, camping tools and other things handy for guerrilla warfare”.
If you look at the barricade which was nothing more than stacks of tyres 6 kilometres from the town, you have to wonder how the hell 26 people with no weapons survived against snipers and machine guns.
It's called critical thinking Stevie and you seem incapable of doing it.
C'mon Russia, it's time to invade to stop these “massacres”.
Is that insider info, Anglolatino?
Apr 21st, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to know a whole lot of what happened in the attack.
Care to provide a source I'd love to read it myself. I'd hate to say I don't trust your ability of interpretation, but I don't..
Actually Stevie that information was from RUSSIA!
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go read RT.com. Don't tell me, that Russian news sources can't be trusted as well?
Here's some links for others (not for you Stevie).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/04/20/putin-propagandists-caught-red-handed-again-pro-russian-self-defense-forces-capture-snipers-diapers/
Seems the articles left by the fascists was filmed TEN HOURS before the actual attack.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/04/20/putin-propagandists-caught-red-handed-again-pro-russian-self-defense-forces-capture-snipers-diapers/
A very popular guy last seen during Russia's invasion of Georgia.
If there is one article you read then read this. You'll honestly laugh out loud.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/04/20/putin-propagandists-caught-red-handed-again-pro-russian-self-defense-forces-capture-snipers-diapers/
Seems Andrei Petkov is an extremely busy person.
Seems the one thing that doesn't ever appear on Russian TV are funerals for all those killed on a daily basis by fascists.
C'mon Putin. Don't you have enough excuses yet to invade?
Stevie is waiting for you to save all those innocent Ukrainians from rampaging fascists.
Or perhaps just to find some of them.
But you told me info from RT couldn't be trusted.....?!
Apr 21st, 2014 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It it only trustworthy when it suits you?
Well I'm confused now.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So where can I source 'facts' for you? You continually tell me how biased and full of propaganda western media is.
You aren't in a Ukraine to give first hand accounts, so tell me which country's media you do trust and I'll use that.
Is Russian media only trustworthy when it suits YOU?
Anyway this“massacre” hasn't had the desired effect. I predict there'll me more “massacres”. It seems Ukraine just refuses to play by Putin's game plan. Its troops prefer to defect or walk away from a fight.
Though Russian TV is showing almost constant news stories on shootings, bombings and general mayhem. But no funerals for all this, nor any scenes of mayhem in hospitals for the wounded..... or wounded for that matter. Seems those fascists are really bad shots when it comes to it.
Though Russian stocks and currency dropped after this latest “massacre”. God imagine what will happen after Russia invades.
The Muslims know how to do these things.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever the event, and however it happened, all injured and dead in any skirmish (or road-accident) are immediately surrounded by hundreds of men chanting that god is great, the bodies are always passed over the heads of the crowds so that the media can get good shots and footage, and then dumped in an open-backed Toyota so the Arab news agency can get the pictures to send around the world. Then the Stars and Stripes is ritually burned and the crowd start chanting about Western Devils.
... Now THAT'S the way to stage worldwide publicity.
Yeah but there's just not enough injuries or dead to pass around.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0While Russian media makes out there are riots and anarchy and fascists are pillaging and murdering..... there's not enough injuries or deaths to back it up.
Don't worry, I'm sure Russia will change tactics soon to ensure there are enough injuries and deaths for the cameras.
Then the invasion to stop the fascists. You know, those incompetent fascists that can't even seem to do fascist-y things but don't seem to be doing enough.
Please link to your Russian media, Anglolatino.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or is there a reason you don't?
Aren't you telling the whole truth?
Careful now :)
Feel free to correct whatever you wish.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially if you can find more than 12 dead from this vicious reign of fascist terror that has gripped eastern Ukraine.
Because I can't.
Don't get your panties in a bunch voice. Yes.....great.....so we are =behind according to you.....agreed. However, real estate ownership is public information in the USA.....as is the assessment data, the owner of record and the owner of record primary address as listed on the deeds. Trout Run is very small, as is Lycoming County. Nice people in the County Records office. Say hi to Lisa next time you're around.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Anglolatino, post your source...
Apr 21st, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
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Apr 21st, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, could ask Lisa who her most argumentative, sarcastic, foreign landowners are - if any.
It's a VERY small country let alone the village Trout Run.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My source for what Stevie?
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm confused as to what you want sourced? And can you please delineate what you consider a source that you trust as well. I will attempt to source from there as well.
Your source for post #139, Anglolatino.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640/
* 3 dead
* four cars approaching a roadblock and opening fire
* Supposedly the 26 civilians that were armed with nothing more than bats were attacked by people with equipment such as “a machine gun, a night vision device, aerial photos of Slavyansk, military uniforms, camping tools and other things handy for guerrilla warfare”.
* If you look at the barricade which was nothing more than stacks of tyres 6 kilometres from the town, you have to wonder how the hell 26 people with no weapons survived against snipers and machine guns.
* at the same time the roadblock was attacked by snipers in the surrounding area
* two cars were burnt while the other two escape with dead bodies
* the result from an attack by FEARLESS and RAMPAGING fascists from Right Sector 3 dead!
http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640/
* the rear of the two cars was actually shot from BEHIND and at GROUND level and not from the roadblock - seems a little strange!
http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640/
* And now the howls of people for Russia to send “peace keepers” to help stop this carnage.
http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640/
* But wait, thankfully they captured one of the attackers who confessed all.
As for
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640/
* it mentions “3 dead [locals] and several injured”, not 3 dead only. This can be explained by th fact that the people, like the note says, ran into the surrounding woods.
* The note does not even contain the word “sniper”, merely a hooded guy saying the 2nd person that got killed was sniped down. This is not the same as saying there were snipers around the area. And snipers in the car would make little sense in an assault attack.
* The two cars that were burnt, were done so after the attacks, by an angry mob, according to the note.
* 3 dead as a result of an attack from Nazis, is just that. They wouldn't have been more or less Nazis for killing more or less people. I dont understand your point.
As for your
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10777403/Ukraine-crisis-Geneva-peace-deal-in-tatters-after-up-to-five-shot-dead.html
* Your selective reading obviously missed the note stating
“The cars appeared to have been moved since they caught fire”
There is no way telling how the car was positioned when it was shot at, espeially having in mind that it would make sense that the fire was returned at some point.
Your
voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_20/Slavyansk-mayor-asks-Russia-to-send-peacekeeper-5232/
Well, the Geneva deal was that both sides would desarm and the occupied buildins would be returned. Now, you could argue that the buidings weren't abandoned and hence the deal was ot upheld. But the Right Sector wasn't disarmed either and it's one thing not to deescalate and another to escalate altogether.
Why do you feel you need a carnage before somebody acts?
Lastly
voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_20/Suspected-gunman-held-after-attack-on-Slavyansk-checkpoint-self-defense-forces-5858/
Is that a problem?
Although I agree it's weird they set the cars afire, I knew you have issues understanding what you read...
;)
Can't write more. In the movies.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watch the video in the first news story too you silly boy!
Usually cars used for illegal activities are set on fire to destroy evidence of occupants identities or car ownership.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would take care of any “Right Sector logos on the side of the cars”, as mentioned in the RT pro-Russian video.
We only have the Russians' word for it that they were so marked, or that was what happened.
Voice really! Trout Run only has 170 property owners? A very small village indeed.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you agree with the facts I laid out except for two points you highlighted:
1/ the injured in addition to the dead from the “massacre”
2/ the cars were moved.
Well thank you for brining those subjects up. Because you are really helping me out here.
The fact that you have now proven my claim that you can't CRITICALLY THINK was great.
So here's the questions a rational person who can think and doesn't fall for propaganda would ask:
1/ the injured
* where are they? They're heroes and should be feted
* where are their families? No cameras visited the hospital to interview them?
* where's the blood? All that shooting and no blood anywhere on the ground
* where's the battlefield triage rubbish? Torn and bloody clothes, bandages, IVs? There is nothing on the ground from this “massacre” that happened only 5 hours earlier
* no doctors to interview? No friends covered in blood after carrying their comrades to safety
* where are the bullet holes? I've watched the RT video 7 times and can't see a single bullet hole in the tyre barricade. I can't see a single bullet hole in the asphalt road. I saw a lot of bullets on display but not a single bullet hole other than in the cars.
2/ the cars were moved.
AFTER the fire?
* Impossible. Look at the video. The road under the cars is scorched.
* there are no gouges in the asphalt from pushing a car without tyres
* there is no debris anywhere else but under the cars
BEFORE the fire?
* the cars are lined with the checkpoint entry now. That is the position they were in when the shooting started according to eye witnesses
* in all that mayhem and before the grieving and angry mob of townsfolk torch the cars.... they park them?
Some more questions:
* I have four cars, positioned snipers and superior fire powers for nearly 5 minutes and yet the impenetrable barrier of tyres can't be breached?
* Why did I stop?
* Why didn't I ram the barricade?
* Why didn't I drive through it and shoot from behind?
And more......
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Apr 22nd, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it public information at the Land Title Office - owner and full contact information for tax assessment and building permit purposes??
See where redneck neighbour “Art” has his place. “Señor A. Voice Think” is probably nearby.
158/160
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha...you two remind me of the Thompson Twins....Tin Tin....
Best of luck with that one......;-)))
It is Troy and this is the fields of the report .....from Lycoming County in their words.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”A PARCEL NUMBER
B OWNER'S NAME
C C/O
D MAILING ADDRESS
E CITY
F STATE
G ZIPCODE
H TIEBACK
I CONTROL NUMBER
J PROPERTY TYPE
K PROPERTY LOCATION
L LAND USE
M NEIGHBORHOOD CODE
N STORY HEIGHT
O DWELLING TYPE
P EXTERIOR
Q YEAR BUILT
R CONDITION OF HSE
S TOTAL ROOMS (WE DON'T USE)
T BEDROOMS
U BATHROOMS
V 1/2 BATHROOMS
W TOTAL BASEMENT (UNFINISHED)
X FINISHED BASEMENT
Y BASEMENT GARAGE
Z HEAT TYPE
AA CENTRAL AIR
AB LAND
AC SEWER
AD WATER
AE DEED BOOK/PAGE
AF SALES DATE
AG SALES PRICE
AH CLEAN & GREEN
AI ACREAGE
AJ MARKET VALUE LAND
AK MARKET VALUE BUILDING
AL TOTAL MARKET VALUE
Column AJ will not show the clean & green value for the land if it is in Clean & Green. ”
10 for the report and .04 for hit on the query.
Capt. Poppy
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you find nothing.
That will confirm that he was lying when he bragged about Trout Run PA.
As an aside, how many people in the “Anglosphere”, except career criminals, brag about having “several 'bolt holes' in other countries”??
Sounds more like a SA politician or government 'administrator'.
:-D
It's a pretty old phrase as well. 40 people own property/real estate in Trust Run PA. Must be too close to the border of Finkhaven.....or Williamsport eh Voice?
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.google.com/maps/@41.386674,-77.0532808,1717m/data=!3m1!1e3
Thompson Twins voice? What does that make you and stevie.....Milli Vanilli?
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Apr 22nd, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A_voice would be Captain Haddock
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/77/803919-mr_t.jpg
Don't forget the last field of the report,
“AT” - Argentine Troll
lol did you check out google Main ST in Trout Run Pa?
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop fishing Pops and trying to narrow it down with more info.......
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Main St.....the only people that go on Main St. are those that live there or heading north taking the ramp for the 15.....
Hot tip for you Pops.....
...go to Google maps and type in PA 17771, USA ....
The Trout Run zip code is that area.....Oh my ...the drag net got bigger....;-))))
Best of luck.....
Either way voice......you own property it is listed with the mail to address......
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop fishing.....is that a direct order?
Lycoming county is tiny, let alone Trout Run.....where you own real estate...and taxed.
Anglolatino
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that the cars were moved after they were set afire is stated in your own source. I quote:
“The cars appeared to have been moved since they caught fire, with residue from burnt tires and glass from what appeared to be shattered rear lights found closer to the barricade. ”
The fact that no media chose to interview any injured or any hospital is not the same as to say it didn't happen. Fact is, look at media in Maidan vs media in Eastern Ukraine. The coverage seems to be much more interesting when it comes to reporting what suits them, in that I agree with you.
As for your snipers, nobody mentions snipers except a hooded guy in the video that states that the second victim was sniped. You are the only one to talk about “positioned snipers”.
In order to see holes in the barricade or in the street, you would need a close up on the very same. This is not the case with your video.
On your statement that no evidence is shown, Again, I Refer to your own source:
“While it seems clear that a fight did take place, and several people were killed, further accounts of the fight are confused.”
Seems your own source disagrees with your opinion on that point.
As for the rest, it's pure speculations from your side and totally pointless for you and me to discuss, as neither you or me have been to the scene.
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Apr 22nd, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gawsh !!
The place is tiny - just a few properties. A foreigner with mustachios and gold chains, would really be noticed there.
Main Street, Trout Run, PA, United States
Can't imagine why a suave and sophisticated Europe such as voice would “buy” real estate in rural Pennsylvania. The community is an out take of Deerhunter. I know.......he is a deerhunter himself.......that is certainly 10 point buck country. Of course....I always preferred eating a doe.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's better!
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Main St
http://goo.gl/maps/OQ7Yf
Gonna check out Streetview as well - maybe Floyd is working in the barbershop.
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Apr 22nd, 2014 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know how it works in Canada and I know in the UK a postcode is extremely specific....
Not in PA...my zip code encompasses a twenty mile radius....
Yes it's rural and both main roads the 15 and the 14 both start climbing from Trout Run into the mountains....if you head south towards the Susquehanna river it flattens out to a valley....and flood zone....
I'm in the mountains....
Pops
It is buck country and also bear....
I don't know about Deerhunter...my first thoughts were Deliverance....
...“I'm just out taking my gun for a ride”...is my favourite local expression....
Aaah Stevie
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you are finally taking my advice and starting to critically think.
Yes my source did state “the cars were moved after they were set afire”.
Though I doubt you will now claim that this source can be trusted. What’s interesting is the new stories now circulating that state the barricade had Molotov cocktails and that is the reason the cars were torched.
But watch the video. I don’t see any residue near the barriers. Because I can critically think. You can’t.
So you agree that there have been no survivors interviewed. No one can seem to find any at this stage.
“You are the only one to talk about ‘positioned snipers’
bahahahaha…… MY GOD MAN CRITICALLY THINK!
If a sniper isn’t positioned, then he isn’t a bloody sniper then is he! Hahahahaha
But I note that you can’t find a single bullet hole outside of those in the cars in any video either.
Funny that!
As for the sources. I think most of them are bullshit. Especially RT. I am using them for your benefit; to highlight your deficiencies. The whole thing was stage managed and a set up by the Russian government.
“Seems your own source disagrees with your opinion on that point.” Yes they do indeed. Because I don’t fall for the propaganda like you do.
But all I wanted to do was highlight that you do fall for the propaganda.
No injured.
No bullet holes.
Such convenient evidence of the Right Sector, including a business card!
If anyone wants to have a laugh at a Russian government propaganda fail…..
http://life.pravda.com.ua/society/2014/04/20/164482/
Anglolatino
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you always pat yourself on the shoulder?
Do you always base your arguments on sources you don't trust in yourself?
The source in question is not rt, it's
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10777403/Ukraine-crisis-Geneva-peace-deal-in-tatters-after-up-to-five-shot-dead.html
Again, it clearly states that, again, I quote:
“The cars appeared to have been moved since they caught fire, with residue from burnt tires and glass from what appeared to be shattered rear lights found closer to the barricade. ”
and
“While it seems clear that a fight did take place, and several people were killed, further accounts of the fight are confused.”
Are you calling that propaganda now?
What you are up to is not called “critically thinking”, it's called “adjusting arguments to fit a delusion”.
I'm saying they're wrong Stevie.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's an ability I have. To disagree when presented with other facts.
You seem incapable of that. Which proves my point.
It is you that keeps twisting to preserve your illusion. Because the facts back up my claim. The unanswered questions back up my claim. The logic backs up my claim.
The fact is that you won't ask any questions. You just keep repeating other people's answers.
Go on, ask the questions:
Who attacked?
Why did they attack?
What was their aim?
Why did they fail?
Where are the injured?
The result of this “massacre” is the EXACT opposite of what anyone other than the pro-Russians want. So why do it? On Easter Sunday. Where was the benefit for the attackers?
The only government to make mileage out of this is Russia. Why is that?
Try asking more questions and be less of a propaganda drone.
Anglolatino
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say that “Because the facts back up my claim.”
What facts? Those that according to yourself “I'm saying they're wrong”?
Get a grip, Anglolatino. You're picking and choosing...
Something should still stand out in the Lycoming County real estate and tax records.........owners that is.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0176 Anglotino
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Propaganda drone”
Stevie never was one for critical thinking.
Now you've shown him to be a complete fool and RT dupe.
Stevie is the only one not to see it!
I suspect Milli Vanilli moved on.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0180 Poppy
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, Captain,
There's quite a bit on the 'Net about Trout Run and rural PA
South Americans in Pennsylvania:
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2013/07/25/brazilian-group-visits-western-pa-to-see-shale-gas-industry/#more-19834
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2013/07/25/brazilian-group-visits-western-pa-to-see-shale-gas-industry/#more-19834
And only a handful of property owners. I wonder what real property owners feel about the oil spill? Perhaps voice is an oil company in disguise of a person.
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