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Argentine and China reaffirm close trade and political links
Argentine President Cristina Fernández received on Wednesday China’s Foreign Ministry Wang Yi and signed several trade agreements, including aerospace infrastructure at the Government House, Buenos Aires City. During the meeting, the president was accompanied by Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich, Economy Minister Axel Kicillof, Federal Planning Minister Carlos Julio De Vido and Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman, with whom Wang Yi had a previous meeting. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhy would any nation support a sovereignty claim that has no legal basis?
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0That guy with the hat behind her looks like he is wondering if she has bought a ticket!
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Taiwan! They certainly know how to piss of the Yanks!
Does this woman know nothing about the world today? Does she not know that part of China's “One China” is Taiwan and if she does has she told the gov't of Taiwan that she doesn't recognise them and will sever all diplomatic ties immediately.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0If she had another brain cell she'd be a cabbage.
Great picture, it almost makes TMBOA look intelligent, well almost.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite possibly not the first time she's received a foreign minister's wang.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for Argentina. China is their best bet.In trade and political relationships.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most likely the Chinese ship carriers will be arriving at its ports soon.
CFK meets Wang - kin-woo.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina may well be playing with fire,
and will get her fingers burnt,
For all corrupt leaders who have a higher agender, and uses others to do their bidding, always come a cropper.
To all this Argentina holds a negative trade balance with China -5377 MM USD. One would believe that with all the soy we sell to China it would be otherwise....
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems the Kirchnerists have over optimism in China yet they clearly understand very little about the Chinese mentality and greed.
Nestor Kirchner already in 2005 promissed 20 bn USD were to be invested by China in Argentina. Never happended. These guys are very good and making shady deals and taking bribes, but they clearly dont have an actual business mentality nor understand how its done.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1684366-una-visita-china-que-despierta-interrogantes
Just my opinion,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But relying to much on others can not only make you very dependent,
But it gives them the whip hand in decision making amongst government policy,
[ although not always ]
It just seems that china is creeping everywhere; getting everything it wants on the cheap,
To create high profits,
Perhaps, just perhaps an excuse to send in the military to protect ones interests,
Im not saying its right or wrong,
But for CFK to say Argentina has ratified its support to the Beijing regime of “one only China”
Seems dangerous in the least,, yet maybe egoistic at worse,
After all china does have a very bad human rights record.
I just hope for her sake, and for the future sake of ordinary Argentineans, she knows what she is letting herself in for,
Just an opinion and probably way off..
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My bet is that China has to project military power and influence to its own South East Seas, the Indian Ocean and then into Africa. That is where Chinese build up will go first. They have to control the Malacca straits before they look on beyond.
But I do share your view on China's Geopolitical and economical build-up.
Argentina has walked itself into a very similar relation with China has it had with Britain 100 years ago. One buyer one only product. Beef and leather to the UK and now its Soy and vegetable oil to China. But then the Brits invested massively in Centenary Argentina. China doesnt invest in Argentina.
Probably 100 years from now peronists and lefties will be condemning these times as the days Argentina was sold out and submitted to the Chinese and CFK the biggest sepoy in history.
Well lets hope for the peoples sake, it turns out all ok.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China is dramatically slowing. Like all of the BRICs they grew the last 10 yrs but are having a very difficult time managing a slowing economy. Their largish reserves are not enough to get them through the bad time they have coming.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All of the wealthy Chinese are massively moving their U$ out of the country knowing there's a big problem right around the corner.
It should be too long before the massive civil unrest in the interior makes it way into the cities.
Then they'll have a revolution
I am very sure I'll see this in the next decade.
Histrionically and culturally, China has not been interested in forcibly pushing its interests to the wider world - when it had the power to do so in the pre-industrial world - in the same way the west has done over the centuries through power and conquest. Hence there is a lot of fear of China's coming power primarily because its viewed through this western mindset.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course things may well change, but I think at this moment there's too much paranoia associated with the new rise of China.
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is relatevely true, China grow up by itself, just like India in fertile lands and with relative powerful and unified State structures since millenniums ago but they have always being isolated geographically, that means you are defended from invaders but likewise its hard to extend your influece and conquests beyond.
Historically speaking the Mongol conquest obviously left deep scares, traumas and fear of the outside world on the Chinese mindset for centuries to come, and that was before they were subject to western humilitation and the opium wars and then Imperial Japanese humiliation.
They do have a grudge, they have ambition and want to play in the big leagues...
You can't expand when you country is falling apart. A lot of this “growth” is fake, make work projects that they can no longer afford.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mark my words this is the very beginning of a very bad time for China.
But the investments, business interests and projects China has in Africa, Central & SE Asia and Latam are not fake, that is real money and real infrastructure built for a purpose. And that is the point.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USSR was playing a world superpower role for 40 years while the domestic economy and production was falling apart and depending on only oil exports just like Russia is today.
17. Yep and all of those “investments” can be easily nationalized whenever it is convenient. Especially when China is going through civil unrest and are not meeting the ongoing funding commitments.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If these were good investments don't you think the USA/UK/EU would have got there first many years ago? China is an investor of last resort and I think soon they'll figure out why they were.
Maybe but the reality US, EU or others dont have the same kind of appetite for raw materials and materials that China has in the third world. Plus China has no moral prerogative to sit down and do business with dictators and butchers such as Burma Sudan. As Di Natale said they made no secret of their intention and needs to the Argentines and latin americans about their thirst for natural resources and their desire to export their manufactured goods.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its hard to know how much influence the Chinese government/State has in private chinese corporations and how does it affect their behaviour in the world. I think this aspect is key and very little is known about.
19. There's no such thing as private Chinese corporations. In the end the State controls everything.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a reason the USA/UK/EU (Private) companies don't make deals with corrupt dictators. It is pretty hard to seize property in another country without an invasion and the Chinese will never invade. As soon as the winds change the dictators will take back the ownership.
Wait and see
Even in your pseudo-democracy unpaid nationalizations are commonplace. There is no rule of law or protected private property in those countries.
You can't repossess a highway or dam now can you.
And that is why China is building up. What they need is more PLA visiting African and Latam ports, more friendly countries and bases in the world to keep an eye on what the despots are doing.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to be able to project power wherever your investments and interests are.
Also something to consider is the millions of immigrants China is placing in the world, specially in South East Asia and OZ & NZ. Some of them become succesfull business men and government officials. And Chinese immigrants tend to be very closed and loyal to the mother land.
Would they follow in the footsteps of Putin's tactics in SE Asia and Oceania??
Hmmm thats a damn scary thought.
You have a much more idealized view of the Chinese than I do. I think it will collapse before they ever get the chance to “project power”
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will see or perhaps we will not live long enough to see who is right.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The next decade or maybe even sooner will be telling.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with yankee on this one.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is so much stacked against China geo-politically.
But it is not the geo-political problems that will hold China back, its the domestic ones. At some point democracy will be introduced, that will bring open markets and that will bring an end to their massive trade surplus. Not to mention demographics, corruption, pollution and lack of resources.
They might not suffer a collapse, but they will at least get stuck in the middle income trap. How many underdeveloped nations have ever made it out?
There is a very interesting and amusing debate from a few years ago if you haven't already seen it:
https://www.munkdebates.com/debates/china
Ferguson is actually very pro-USA, I think he sold himself out just for the occasion of sparring with Kissinger.
Thanks for the link!
Apr 24th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As they say past performance is not a guarantee on future performance.
In a generation they'll lose more than the population of the USA! Sobering.
I think the similar demographics problem could be what is driving Russia right now too.
“Wang Yi did something similar regarding Argentina's sovereignty claim over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands”.... said something similar or in fact as the Chinese news reported it..
Apr 24th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They DIDNT mention it at all !!!!
http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2014-04/24/content_32198329.htm
Interestingly,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They, china mentions collaborations on,
Promoting bilateral relations, deepen strategic cooperation
Setting up a permanent council and a dialogue mechanism on economic cooperation
Agreed to expand trade and boost cooperation on major projects in such areas as agriculture, infrastructure construction, energy, science and technology and finance
Strengthen communication and cooperation in culture, education and tourism, and at a local level, to deepen friendship
Yet interestingly [ military cooperation was not mentioned,
Only = and push for a more just and rational world order.?
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@27 Argies just gotta lie.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, they are languishing down in 106th position in the Global Corruption Index.
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes further from 2020 my guess is that there will be a more clear tendency as to where things are going.
If by then China starts to look very much like the US expansion did in the late XIX Century in the Carribean and Central America and implanting a form of Monroe doctrine then of course China will start looking beyond from SE Asia and the China Sea.
However if the Chinese CCP is going as far as undergoing projects and business deals and massive imports of raw materials in the outside world in order to just keep up appearances while the roof is on fire, than they are not as smart and cunning as a thought.
China is not struggling to globalise, the whole world has striven to globalise China. Thus, not like 19C USA. China is tied into raw materials from the third world whether it likes it or not; it has no choice.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Internal 'conflagrations' are entirely unlinked and will happen (or not) totally independent of globalised trade and investment.
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good points. Let me clarify my points when I said that China looks like late 1800s US
““China’s position vis-à-vis the South China Sea,” he suggests, “is akin to America’s position vis-à-vis the Caribbean Sea in the 19th and early 20th centuries.”
”The parallel Kaplan draws is straightforward and convincing. Between 1898 and 1914, the United States defeated Spain and dug the Panama Canal. This allowed Americans to link and dominate the trade of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, transforming the meaning of geography“
”In a rather similar way, he suggests, the South China Sea now links the trade of the Pacific and Indian Oceans; consequently, “were China to ever replace the U.S. Navy as the dominant power in the South China Sea — or even reach parity with it — this would open up geostrategic possibilities for China comparable to what America achieved upon its dominance of the Caribbean.” Because of this, the South China Sea is “on the way to becoming the most contested body of water in the world.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/books/review/asias-cauldron-by-robert-d-kaplan.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/books/review/asias-cauldron-by-robert-d-kaplan.html?_r=0
In the same way US expansion combined a agressive policy towards Central american and Caribbean where their interests and investments were and both shielded the region from European powers like Britain, Spain and France IF you see this process repeat itself in the South China Seas and a increased precense in the Indian Ocean then you will have your next global hegemony.
Keep in mind how Chinese Navy is growing and expected to become the largest in the region and their cyber space capabilities are ever more daring it gets increasingly worring as to what military powers can do, but yet it opens a lot of fascinating scenarios.
I think this is a very good, realistic and well informed debate
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/books/review/asias-cauldron-by-robert-d-kaplan.html?_r=0
I think you're forgetting India Japan and south Korea will never let China take over that area.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chinas navy is nothing compared to the USA. It will take generations for them to match us. Time and money they don't have.
Yb
Apr 24th, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch the vid at minute 14: 15 something, listen to what Kaplan says about the increased building of the Chinese Navy. China is like 10 carriers short of the US's carriers but its growing in leaps while the US Navy is all platouwing and its all around the world. Remember that the scenario is SE Asia and the China Sea and the Indian Ocean.
Chinese subs are diesel electric and not nuclear because they dont need to go very far to the conflict zone...
Also keep in mind that the American power shift occuered in the Carribbean region when Britain was by far the dominant Naval world power.
That prank- stunt in 2010 where they poped up a sub in the middle of a US battle group is intended on giving a warning to the US allies in the region. If they were not ambitious and expansionist they wouldn't even need to do that kind of stuff.
Lots of boats doesn't mean you have an effective navy. Same goes for the rest of their military.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA (and our allies) will be the only world's super power for many generations.
@ 34 CabezaDura2
Apr 24th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chin have ONE bastard of a carrier: Russian hulk, finished by Chin friends. They do not have a trained crew, never mind ANY experienced crews. The people “who know” reckon it will be at least 10 years before they will be able to operate the carrier with anything like battle efficiency.
“That prank- stunt in 2010 where they poped up a sub in the middle of a US battle group is intended on giving a warning to the US allies in the region”
That was an unforgivable lapse in security for the Yanks and I reckon quite a few careers were ended when that happened. The Chin D/E subs are at best mediocre and, as you claim the Chin are going to expand world-wide that equipment will be useless.
However, it wasn’t a win for the Chin if they really mean business. Do you really think that warning the Yanks like they did would not result in a hell of a change in monitoring of their boats after that? I would be aghast if the Yanks do not know where ALL their boats are and regularly shadow them wherever the Chin go but the difference is that the Chin has no idea what is going on.
Should a direct conflict with the Americans be pushed by the Chin, their boats would go in a blink of a torpedo flash.
There are very few useful parallels between the rise of the US and the possible rise of China. The US was developed nation from day 1. Their economy grew up as a large and competitive domestic market with huge natural resources and an educated populace. China is very different: export dependant economy, massive peasant class.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the coming years China will do well to stop their new middle class slipping back in to poverty.
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but China has its own set of allies of the likes of North Korea, Burma and Pakistan that can jeopardize US allies inderectely. This is why it can involve a fair degree of multiple “Cold War” not of ideology buy of interests and influence. Just watch how the Taliban-Pakistanis and Chinese will walk into Afghanistan and remove the Karzai guys after the US forces leave
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The fact that China doesnt have a naval history is undeniable but what matters here is the tendencies.
The US has being into survailing China long ago and like wise China spying on the US forces in the region. Remember Hainan Island incident in 2001??
What might be danguerous is that if the Chinese break the military balance at some point in the future then they will be inclined to believe that the US will abandom its commitments in the region.... After all the US still has hegemony over the Atlantic Oceans and the American Hemisphere, and they can feel encouraged after the West has being reluctant to foreign interventions in the last years i.e Syria, Crimea-Ukraine. They were strong conditionings by the public in Lybia too.
The Chinese can get over confident and get that one wrong. Or not??
We are living in a very violent and unstable world,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0some say, the western politicians are more [ dove ] like today,
rather than the very hawkish ones from yesterday,
but it only take one mistake for all hell to break out,
let hope we today are more peaceful to not let this happen.
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Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep dreaming. You can't be a superpower when you have no money to fuel it. Eventually you have to pay the 33 TRILLION in debt of the USA and Europe combined, and you will be China's bitch, for generations.
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What has the USA ever done for Latin America? Squat. The Europeans and Asians do owe the Americans a lot, even the Africans due to aid. Latin America owes the USA nothing at all. In fact Argentina did more for the liberty of the Western Hemisphere than the USA ever did.
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Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has the USA ever done for Latin America?
Amongst others that I can think of is feed and give work to 43 million latams most of them Mexicans, Cubans exiles and help Colombia in fighting the drug cartels and the civil war.
$0. Not to mention we are LA largest employer through our subsidies. The question is what has LatAM ever done for the USA?
Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0CD, You are very wrong on your assesment of China. How in the world could you compare the S Korea and Japan militaries against Burma and Pakistan? North Korea is a nuisance not a threat. They can be taken out very quickly if needed. I've long thought a nice little explosion during the may day parades would do quite nicely. I am pretty sure the current nutcase will be taken out by his own family or one of the Generals. He is even nuttier than CFK.
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Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In fact Argentina did more for the liberty of the Western Hemisphere than the USA ever did.”
What planet are you from???
Do you even THINK about what you say??
Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
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Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if you remove China and the US out of the equation there is little doubt that S. Korea and Japan would overcome North Korea. The problem is that if the war relaunches in full scale (as they are technically at war still) NK would shower so many missiles into Seul and the economical hartland cities of S. Korea that it would cripple the country's ability to rage war with in minutes.
Both North and South Korea are countries wich have no strategic depth.
About Pakistan. Well you have being fighting them indirectly for the last 13 years and eventually they will take over Afghanistan. Al Qaeda may re emerge in this region after the US has gone
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/13/al-qaeda-s-next-comeback-could-be-afghanistan-and-pakistan.html
The problem with Pakistan is that not even the west knows what to do with it save paying for protection in a effort that they dont hand in the bomb to the terrorists. India is sh*te scared of them.
Remember China can also resort to funding and promoting rebel groups in the region in order to destabilize US allies in the region, particulary in Indonesia where you have many minorities in these islands that have never quite agreed with Java
In 2011 China's working population started declining. Ahead of schedule.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0There were once estimates for China's entire population to start shrinking in the 2040s; that then became the 2030s; which then edged into the 2020s, usually about 2025; but this has now even dropped further to 2020 itself.
And there are some that are predicting it could even drop further. Within the next 5 years.
A country with a declining population faces much different pressures to one that was growing fast in both population and area such as the US 100-150 years ago.
A shrinking and hence elderly population becomes a more conservative society seeking stability as opposed to the dynamism of a youthful and growing population.
The UN Low Variant population prediction has China with a population of only 505 million in 2100. 38% of current population. In comparison, high immigrant countries like Australia, US and Canada will have a population similar to now. Even after population decline has set in.
For more than a decade, China (and many other countries) has been following the low variant. Even the lifting of the one child policy (which only applied to 38% of the population anyway) will have little long term effect. It would take 3 child families to reduce the trend and that isn't happening.
China will be a world power but it will never be a superpower.
It won't have the money to continually face off against the US. It will be dealing with the cost of diabetes (114 million people already) and the elderly (123 million over 65 already). And doing it as a developing country and not a developed country.
Look to Japan to see China's future. Now imagine it much much less developed.
“China backs Argentina's claim over Falklands”
Apr 25th, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Press Trust of India | Beijing March 11, 2013 Last Updated at 17:20 IST
“China today backed Argentina's claim over the disputed Falkland islands, rejecting the validity of the referendum being held in the British-ruled territory. ”
46. Nobody cares. The Falklands will be British long after you are your grandchildren are dead.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give it a rest
Maybe get another job so you can pay for heat and electricity this winter.
I hear electricity is going up 800%.
Which is probably more than you make in a month
Brr
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Apr 25th, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0electricity is one of the cheapest in the whole world.
natural gas, despite the increment, still is pretty cheap.
but what has that got to do with the fact that the whole world recognize that malvinas / falklands are an integral part of argentina?
nothing?
personally, i dont give a damn for the islets, my only concern is all the disaster these 4th class oil companies are doing in the mar argentino.
and the predation of our territorial waters.
as for the rest, the kelpers can live there for 5, 10, 25 years more.
i don´t care
48. The whole world? Seriously? Every country? Except any of the countries that matter.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can islands 400 miles away be integral? How? The continental Shelf? Does that mean the USA owns the Caribbean and all of Canada and South America?
You are getting dumber everyday.
Argentina is doing much more damage onshore and to their own rivers and coastlines with all the pollutants and toxins flowing out than any of the o/g companies are doing in the Falklands. Argentina is filthy and toxic. Your Soy fields will be desert in a decade because of over spraying pesticides and under fertilization. Maybe less time.
BTw have you ever flown over BA to the south and see the absolutly filthy black water coming from La Boca? Black, smelly, toxic water flowing right into the RDP. Nice.
Not to mention Tigre is seriously toxic too.
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Apr 25th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Except any of the countries that matter.”
and which are those countries?
latin america backs argentina in that claim.
those are the countries that matter.
not to mention china, the rest of asia including russia and the whole africa.
england does not even have the support of europe.
and malvinas are not 400 miles away, they are just 300 km from isla de los estados
and 14.000 km from britain.
The Falklands are PART of the EU numbnuts.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean to tell me EVERY commonwealth country agrees that the Falklands are Argentinian. Yeah Okay. How about the USA and Canada? Do we agree too?
I think your heater is putting out too much Co2. Open a window you're not making any sense.
300km still isn't integral now is it? Do you own Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Bolivia, Paraguay. Does the USA own Cuba and the rest of the Caribbean? They're all within 300KM too. Do you see how retarded that statement is?
Do you?
the falklands are part of the european numbuts?
Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you say so...
and who cares about the commonwealth?
the u.s.?
“The Obama administration knifes Britain in the back again over the Falklands”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100130943/the-obama-administration-knifes-britain-in-the-back-again-over-the-falklands/
england está mas sola que loco malo in this issue.
52. In Argentina does that type of non-committal statement from US State count as support? In civilized countries we think that is delusional.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commonwealth is 53 Countries. Lots of people care.
Yeah part of the EU...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union
I don't like wiki but I am running to an appt.
USA would never, let me repeat NEVER support Argentina over the UK.
Never
Yankeeboy
Apr 25th, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please remember that Pablo Cedron niño is a teenager living at his parents house. He is at best 15 or 16 and a fool.
Pablo,
your energy pricing is heavily subsidised by your government and they no longer have the means to pay for that.
Your government tore up resource and fish stock management agreements in 2005 because the Falklands would not give them sovereignty over the Islands.
You are deluded and your Day of Reckoning is nigh.
Good luck.
Agreed
Apr 25th, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 054. He certainly doesn't know much about the Falklands.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But not many Rgs really do.
They've had too much fake history/propaganda fed to them from an early age.
They wouldn't know reality if it hit them in the head.
troy tempestilent
Apr 25th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0personal insults is all you have, you dumbass?
“your energy pricing is heavily subsidised by your government”
and you, dimwit, think we do not know that?
anyway, you brainwashed kelpers do not have to mix things.
the only ones who can criticize this shitty government are us argentinians.
you, bunch of deluded brainwshed kelpers do not have the slightest idea.
you, bunch of deluded brainwashed squatters should criticize your beloved camoron.
whole world recognize that malvinas / falklands are an integral part of Argentina?
Apr 25th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can you name these countries that support your claim.
53 yankeeboy
Apr 25th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is funny that many countries of the commonwealth support argentina´s claim too.
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/05/argentina-thanks-papua-new-guinea-for-its-support-in-the-malvinas-claim
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long story short
the whole latin america, including your beloved chile.
the u.s., in spite of what yankeeboy says.
ireland, italy, spain, germany, france and almost all europe.
russia china and the rest of asia
& the whole africa,
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/05/argentina-thanks-papua-new-guinea-for-its-support-in-the-malvinas-claim
57 paulcedron
Apr 25th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“troy tempestilent
personal insults is all you have, you dumbass?”
he keeps bating the trap and you keep falling right into it EVERY TIME don'tcha??? EVERY TIME!!!!!
.........and this just goes to prove that fools never learn.........
hey ho...
I find it quaint that yankeeboy believes the USA will have the same power as it did the 50 years after the 2nd Earthly Cleansing of imperialist peoples.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None, NONE, of the ingredients for a repeat in the next 50 years are present:
1 - An INDUSTRIAL United States
2 - A NET CREDITOR United States
3 - A destroyed Europe, Japan/China, underdeveloped Asia, Middle East
4 - Communist Russia
5 - Their currency being reserve currency
6 - unlimited borrowing
The USA no longer has a major industrial base. Minus points.
The USA is no longer a creditor since it massively needs debt to sustain itself, so it cannot “buy” anyone. Minus points.
They are not the sole block of power as in the decades after the Great Cleansing of Euros, when everyone else was in ruins. Minus Points.
Russia is not communist so no “common” enemy to rally around. Minus points.
The USA dollar is no longer the lone form of wealth back up, and will lose further ground. Minus points.
The USA projected power until recently by going into huge monumental debt. THe credit card is GONE, so how will they do so now? Minus points.
In short, poor yankeeboy will have to content himself with the reality.
@59
Apr 25th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What truly is remarkable is the way the Argentine public keeps falling for the same trick. Country X is invited to agree to something that nobody could possibly object to, such as “dialogue” and/or “peaceful settlement” (*), and this is them presented as support for Argentine's sovereignity claim. It isn't. And whenever Argentina has attempted to gain explicit support for its sovereignity claim, it has failed miserably.
(*) The only country in the entire Falklands saga which as ever rejected dialogue and peaceful settlement is of course the Republic of Argentina, which likewise rejects any application of the principles of law, democracy, and human rights in pursuit of its territorial ambitions in the South Atlantic.
One would suggest you look at the replies from the following, who challenge your statement.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/argentina-celebrates-africa-s-54-countries-support-for-malvinas-sovereignty
6 LEPRecon
I've just read the statement. No where do these 54 countries state that they support Argentina's sovereignty claims. They only say that the UK and Argentina should talk
16 Redrow
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This is a significant misquotation of the actual declaration:
“recognize the legitimate rights of the Argentine Republic in the sovereignty dispute”.
Recognizing legitmate rights in a dispute is NOT the same thing as supporting a particular side in that dispute. It is a deliberately ambivalent statement that Argentina was able to insert specifically because no-one could disagree with
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20 Boovis
The declaration just states that they recognise the rights of Argentina over the claims and they hope for negotiations, where does it say “The islands belong to Argentina
22 Rufus
@20 Boovis.
Article 26 referrs to the Falkland Islands, true enough, and calls for negotiations (but that's it).
The news story has been altered by the Argentine propaganda machine, but most of the representatives from the African countries probably haven't got a clue what Argentina is banging on about
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59 paulcedron
It seems fellow bloggers already blew this out of the water,
[ I have not read it ]
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61. I guess you chose internet over food today. I wonder how long you will be able to keep that up.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, You should re-read what the countries said. It is not support by any definition you can come up with. I think this is one of the reason Argentina keeps making fools of themselves on the world stage. You don't really understand what you read, you think you do, but its wrong and then you look retarded.
Paulcedron @59: This was my reply to that article, just so you can understand the actual factual and official on record statement by PNG
Apr 25th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was what the representative of Papua New Guinea said at the 'Special Committee on Decolonization Considers ‘Question of the Falkland Islands' 14th June 2012, this is the latest statement they made in the C24 I can find. So it supports peaceful negotiation, with the Falkland Islanders and the UK, how is that supporting your claims Argentina? They were also politely saying that the C24 are out of touch and they should be working towards 'fulfilling the rights of all peoples to self-determination'. They also reiterated that the Isslanders wishes should be taken into consideration. Don't think they are actually on your side argentina, sounds like they are on the side of self determination.
'ROBERT GUBA AISI ( Papua New Guinea) supported the view that the working methods of the Special Committee must be “retooled” in order to better achieve its goals. If not, it ran the risk of being marginalized within the United Nations family. The Special Committee must put together an innovative work plan with clear benchmarks to make progress towards fulfilling the rights of all peoples to self-determination. A “one size fits all” approach was not appropriate; cases should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.
However, he said, that could only be accomplished with the active participation of all stakeholders, and the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) was no exception. Papua New Guinea had joined the consensus today in the belief that the only way to break the impasse was through negotiations and dialogue. While respecting the views and positions of both parties, the people of the Islands themselves should not be “idle spectators” in the process. “The Falkland Islands have had a voice,” having participated in the work of the Special Committee; Islanders themselves had been heard today. He felt that those wishes should be an inclusive
57 Pablo niño
Apr 25th, 2014 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ...”your energy pricing is heavily subsidised by your government”
and you, dimwit, think we do not know that?“
Well, of you ”know that“, you 're an idiot.
Yankeeboy's point was that your economy is so terribly screwed that in spite of being ”oil- rich“, you can't even afford critical supplies like fuel, and things are going to be bad for you, unfortunately.
You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
My statement was a reminder that your nonchalance is out of touch with reality - you WILL NOT be able to afford fuel, because the fuel subsidies will stop, your economy will tailspin further, transport, heating, cooking, will be more expensive, consumer goods, household goods, food will skyrocket in price even more.
Businesses will fail, jobs lost, no wage increases, you may no be able to afford the commute to work.
And you ”know that” and all you can do is insult US !!
What a joke you are.
dimwit troy 66
Apr 26th, 2014 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0and what has all that got to do with a sovereignity issue, you retard?
on the other hand, we know what problems we have, you dimwit, we do not need that you or any of the other illiterates of this 4th class site give us an economy “lesson”.
you lot didn´t even finish high school, but you think you know about our economy?
you are a joke.
i would suggest you to read this instead of this 4th class newspaper.
the author is not argentinian, spanish, irish, etc but british
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/14/gibraltar-falklands-deny-logic-history
Pablo, el chico con el pene sin desarrollar
Apr 26th, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You twit,
YOU started the Falklands sovereignty nonsense
@46, as a diversion AGAIN
“ “China backs Argentina's claim over Falklands”
Press Trust of India | Beijing March 11, 2013 Last Updated at 17:20 IST
“China today backed Argentina's claim over the disputed Falkland islands, rejecting the validity of the referendum being held in the British-ruled territory. ” ”
Silly Troll - get back on topic, yourself.
Now, who looks stoopid??
:-)
67. There is no sovereignty issue. It's only in the collective delusions of your countrymen.
Apr 26th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If sovereignty wasn't secured prior 1982 it surely was after your humiliating defeat.
I can't understand why you care so much about a small land mass so far away from your coastline?
It is odd, I think it is jealousy mixed with delusions of grandeur. It is psychotic and I seriously don't understand how Rgs fall for the lies of gov't propaganda. At some point you'd think you'd all wake up.
It is akin to the population of North Korea.
I guess it must go back to the same reason you keep electing crooks that rob you blind.
It is really hard to believe the whole country is stupid though?
“Now, who looks stoopid?? ”
Apr 26th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0always you, troy.
it is your main feature
I, for one, fully support the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia and Sandwich and surrounding maritime spaces.
Apr 26th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fully!
70 niño
Apr 26th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, you just lost the argument, now you're only name-calling.
If you were any other Troll, I would say, “act your age.”
Ja ja ja ja ja ja .... !!
troy, you are pretty immature to be 80 y.o.
Apr 26th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should be playing with your great grandchildren instead of writing nonsense here
and “jajaja”?
your first words in a foreign language...
well done
Out Of Interest,
Apr 26th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0did you know, that Germany who in fact lost WW1=2, could in CFKs way of thinking, re-claim Europe , as like Argentina's claim,
1, they lost, and 2, they are in the proximity,
And using that same argument,
France I believe would also have a re-claim, of proximity over the channel islands, and historically ENGLAND, as this was not stopped until the late 1800s I believe,
interesting, even if it is far fetched..
73 niño
Apr 26th, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0insults, but no arguments, no intelligent response.
LOL !!!
come back and embarrass yourself, again
:-D
RIGHT TO CLAIM OTHER LANDS
Apr 27th, 2014 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is, every state has a different chronology of key events and key dates.
Argentina has 1882, England has 1066, etc.
I think even Cristina sees this dilemma.
So let's really THINK about the BEST DATE.
Which is the optimal date?
- the ONE date that would most satisfy the most countries -
to set the world straight once and for all time.
... then we can (hypothetically) re-set the world's borders and avoid the most argument.
A bottle of Cool Aid, a glass of Guinness or a Caipiroska for the best justified answer.
.......................
I choose February 1945.... or maybe 1294 ... or ..
Following this weeks visit to Argentina where is the customary announcement from La Presidenti-ess stating that Emir Sheik Maktoum of the UAE supports Argentina rights to colonise the Falkland Islands?
Apr 28th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0the falklands - malvinas islands are already colonised, you dumbass.
Apr 28th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing I know is that it must be lonesome as hell all alone on that South Atlantic Ocean with no friends..close by!!
Apr 29th, 2014 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0No friends?
Apr 29th, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0And still not part of Argentina.
So what did Emir Sheik Maktoum of the UAE say ? There has been no announcement from the pink palace ? why ?
Apr 30th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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