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Majority of Uruguayans rate Argentina as 'the less friendly country', says poll

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A clear majority of Uruguayans, 61% believe Argentina is the “less friendly” country, according to a March 13/23 public opinion poll, with 1.013 interviews in Montevideo and the main urban locations in the rest of the country. Read full article


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  • golfcronie

    Why am I not surprised by this poll.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'll tell you why.

    It's because this poll is the equivlent of asking the English which neighbouring country in the British Isles is the biggest.

    61% would answer Scotland...

    May 02nd, 2014 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @2 Stevie

    Don't you think Argentine behaviour might have something to do with it?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Nah Hans, the maority of he Argentines shogreat behaviour towards Uruguay. I think 61 % is a low number though, having the port issues in mind. Mainly because there are no other alternatives.

    A bit like asking what country that directly nighbours to Uruguay is the biggest.

    Not Brazil's fault, really, is it?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    I guess it's just unfortunate that the doctrine of Argentine impunity is accepted only in Argentina, eh? When will the rest of the world see the light?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 There aren't any neighbouring countries in the British Isles except the Republic of Ireland. Like it or not, Northern Ireland and Wales are possessions. Scotland is just a burden. It hasn't been a “country” for over 300 years. Never will be.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie, this persona you have created is bizarre. How the heck would you know anything about Uruguay when you live in the EU and have never been there.
    You are such a pathetic loser.

    Argentinians think Uruguayan are uneducated backward scum.
    And the reverse Uruguayans think Rgs are narcissistic rude a-holes.
    If you had spent any time in either country you would know that.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0


    And that's all that matters. Or do you think YOU (“the rest of the world”) matter? Sorry. Reminds me of the whole British invasions debate, you Brits believe just because YOU do not see the attacks as an attack on the people of Buenos Aires at the time, that we have no right to view it or teach it differently, as an attack on our incipient country.

    The arrogance is appalling. Never learn.


    The world thinks Americans are uneducated and backward, narcissistic rude a-hole scum. If you had ever encountered any foreigner you would know that.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Uruguayans rate Argentina as 'the less friendly country',

    CFK take note, you are not as popular as you

    May 02nd, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Sarmiento is taken out of context of his time.

    Gauchos to these days are not easy people to get along with. They treat animals in a cruel way and have a habbit of kniving each other even to this day.

    Only idiots who dont work or havent a clue of country life have a idealized image of them.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    Yes, we know. Argentina should withdraw from this cruel, cruel world that has so cruelly failed to recognise its true genius. So go masturbate in your bedroom for a while, that'll show 'em!

    May 02nd, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Keith York

    Shouldn't it be “least friendly”? less friendly than what?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    @6 For goodness sake could you please for once write a sensible post.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “Majority of Uruguayans rate Argentina as 'the less friendly country'”

    so for this joke of newspaper a sample of +/- 1000 respondents is “the majority of uruguayans”

    the differences between governments and useless officers are one thing, but the links between uruguay and argentina are strong enough to resist them.

    not by chance there are +/- 300.000 uruguayans living here, and +/- 3 million argentinians vacationing in uruguay per year, in spite of the shitty governments we have.

    not to mention that argentina is the main investor in uruguay with 22% of the inversion extranjera directa.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    8. Do your parents give you $5 pesos a day to spend on food and about every other day you use it at the locutorio?

    “The world” this, “the world” that, how in “the world” would you know from a backward province in a 3rd world country what “the world” thinks? The most you've seen of the world is on a computer screen.
    Sad sorry little boy.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #8 hey titti boi tobi As I told you under the mendocinovino name. I may be heading up to Mendoza next next. Care to point me to the best place to eat, stretching the assumption there is one?

    You were suppose to disappear, why did your momma let you back out to play....did her nipples chaff? Healing time I see.

    Sorry to hear about the cherry plantations....seems 80% were wiped by the frosts......bummer.

    SO what's the best winery to tour?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @10 I think most Argentineans had a negative view of gauchos until it was decided to use them as a marketing tool for tourism. Hence the rehabilitation and romanticisation.

    @16 There are quite a few good restaurants in Mendoza. The illegal ones are the best and local guides will direct you to them. Obviously it is cash only. They wouldn't want to pay tax or anything.

    Good wineries to visit are in abundance. I particularly like the ones in the Uco Valley.

    I am wondering what recommendations TTT will make.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0


    So the gauchos are kind of like the British Monarchy, eh???


    For being such a fool thinking I am “mendocinovino”, you get Fool's Gold award of the day.

    Sorry about your economy, it seems the USA it heading straight back to recession. the Argentine economic slowdown must be hitting you hard now.


    What? Please make sense


    Why do you get upset when people don't see things the British way? Why are you such an intolerant society?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    It is a fact, that statistically that a sample in excess of 1,000 (done properly in accordance with the ISO Standard) DOES reflect the population as a whole; it certainly reflects my views of the government of Argentina, not the people (as long as they are not Peronistas).

    May 02nd, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    tobi you're the fool. I've seen your country.....but you will never see mine. Regardless of whether you want to or not......your can't either way.

    You know, you always go wild when you're first released from the basement.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

    I will never see yours? That's a sweeping stamement. Care to elaborate on the “never” part?

    May 02nd, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I told Toby long ago to find a rich american guy to take him to the USA. He may still have a chance if he learns to keep his mouth shut.
    What part didn't you understand? The part about buying food or paying for an hour at the locutorio or the obvious part about you knowing nothing of the world.
    Well you did travel 13 hour by bus to go fro one slum to another. So I guess you know that part of the world.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

    I find it so quaint you think I live in a slum and that I travelled to a slum in a “bus” (the American definition of it, that is: some filthy old North Am looking school bus with non-flat front, no A/C, no bed-seats, and no food dispenser and wine cellar).

    Our buses are better than your airplanes.

    How are race relations in the USA? hahahahaha. Sig Heil!

    May 02nd, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I've been in your cama and semi cama buses. They're awful. It's pure torture. I tried it from BA to MDP when the all the planes were booked and I didn't want to have to pay for my driver to stay there for a month. and I'd never do it again.
    Yes Toby you've shown me where you live. To me it looks like a slum and I can't imagine you can stay anywhere nice after having to take a BUS 13 HOURS. Did you camp? When I went to MDP there were a lot of Provincials (outlanders) camping. Its not for me but I like to stay clean.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    a bus trip from ba to mdp takes +/- 5 hours.
    and yours was 13 hours?

    anyway, buses are for backpackers here.
    you should have tried with a taxi aereo, you stingy.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

    13 hours from Mendoza to Necochea. It's a big country, and my bus was spectacular, and yes I was doing it on the cheap as I am young. You may be rich, but you could sell all your assents and not get one day younger.

    Don't hate.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    18 MendoNostril

    “So the gauchos are kind of like the British Monarchy, eh???

    Sounds just like your ”Mendo“ persona !


    For being such a fool thinking I am “mendocinovino”, you get Fool's Gold award of the day.

    You're the fool - nobody values what you say anyway.

    Sorry about your economy, it seems the USA it heading straight back to recession.”

    Sorry to disappoint you, the latest reports show an unexpected recovery of Consumer Confidence, Employment, Housing prices and property values have surged, the US $ is rebounding.

    Oh, dear :-(


    You avoided the questions.
    ElaineB knows more about Mendoza and Mendocino than you do.

    Expert on wines and the finer things in life that Mendoza can offer??

    Care to prove us wrong that you are just full of... hot air??

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    Toby, getting a lecture on tolerance from you, is like getting a lecture on pacifism from Conqueror.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    25. Toby's bus was 13 hrs not mine. Air Taxi? They didn't exist when I lived there and as I said all the plane tickets were booked when I wanted to go and I didn't want to pay for my driver to stay in a hotel for as long as we wanted to stay which was undetermined when I left. I did take him on a few quick trips. I actually like MDP its fun and Costa Galana is fantastic! Its too bad the beaches are gross with brown cold water.

    Toby, Spectacular and bus don't belong in the same sentence. I don't hate you because you are poor. I don't hate you at all.
    I pity you.
    Totally different.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0


    You still don't get it, Anglo-Euro-North Ams. I have nothing to prove to any of you... they days of Kipling and White Supremacy are over, therefore I owe you Europeans and all you descendants of them that post here no additional explanations or “proof”, that you lot are not willing to reciprocate.

    Get it through, I am your equal, not inferior. Thus if you prove nothing to me, I have no requirement to retort.


    But you sure keep quiet, thus tacit acquiescence.


    You never been to real beach, you think New Jersey is the bomb, it's worse than Buenos Aires.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    30. I've been all over the world to many beaches although I am not a huge fan of beaches in general. I much prefer cities or mountains.. I've been to 30+ countries and many more to go!

    Argentina has horrible horrible horrible beaches. Cold, wet and polluted.
    I'll never go to one again.

    I've only been to Cape May NJ and the beach was pretty nice. The architecture was charming. Take a look at the images on your computer screen. That's as close as you'll ever get.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    17 elaine
    “I think most Argentineans had a negative view of gauchos until it was decided to use them as a marketing tool for tourism. Hence the rehabilitation and romanticisation.”

    and where did you get that?
    from your studies of argentine history in the universidad de puerto stanley?

    the gauchos have been a fundamental part in the governments of facundo quiroga, who considered himself as a gaucho, and juan manuel de rosas.

    the view of sarmiento responded to a particular period of the argentinian history, and it was not shared by most argentinians.
    not then and not now

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

    You mean the architecture WAS pretty nice, right?

    Global warming is DESTRYOING your country. Watch the news every now and then.

    How do you know where I will never go to or not? Care to prove it?

    Argentina has bad beaches? No shit... Captain Obvious strikes again. Kinda those beautiful rainforests the USA has. Americans claim Hawaii has them, I've seen them and its a joke, there's no animal life and just one kind of tree. Ridiculous.

    May 02nd, 2014 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    33 Toby

    as Poppy said,
    “Care to point me to the best place to eat, stretching the assumption there is one?
    SO what's the best winery to tour?”

    Looks like you can't answer that one.

    ElaineB knows more about Mendoza than you do!

    May 03rd, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendocinovino


    May 03rd, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0


    Care to answer why do you think I am required to answer your questions?

    Had he asked more politely, i.e. without the “assuming there is one” INSULT (you can find a good place to eat even in South Sudan), maybe. But in any event like I told you, your White Supremacism no longer impresses anyone. Non-Europeans are not required to answer to you.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendocinovino

    Troy were doing so well on the “New Queen's portrait to mark her 88th birthday” thread but you and capitan poppy have lost the plot.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    Cease fire for Euros, North Ams, and Anglos OVER. Full Hostilities now in effect once again.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    Then we just have to doubt there is a word of truth in anything the European “non-European” says.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Perhaps there are potentially unfriendlier countries in the world, but they're not next door. It must be wonderful to be a New Zealander!

    May 03rd, 2014 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    37, 38 Nostrils

    Who cares.

    Your agenda became so obvious on “Her Majesty's” thread, and who could give a crap about your Peronist war with other Europeans?

    You are a hapless fraud.

    Good night.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    But the majority of Argentines have never worked in the camp.
    You must have never set a foot on a manga, and I know what kind of people they are. Cruel to the animal and backstabbers by tradition.

    Each time less and less people go to Doma and Folklore festivals. In many countries those would be banned.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy I assumed they would “both” show up on this post. Tobi has taken on many nationalities at this point. A juvenile approach to internet discussions when one is continually on the losing side.

    Buses are better than airplanes.........lolololololololololololololololol

    Tobi from now on you are “Sybil”

    May 03rd, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    i am totally against those fucking doma shows, and i know very well how some rural workers treat the cattle in the mangas, complementary pens, etc.

    but you cannot blame all of them.

    sadly there are some of those motherfuckers between the gauchos and between more educated people.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendocinovino

    @Toy sexpest
    OK lets get this right. so my “agenda” was to ask questions on the hypothetical beginnings of a brand new type of government should the opportunity arise. A few commented (ChrisR, Anglotino i recall) but unfortunately all from the Monarchist point of view and they did not want to be disloyal and therefore would not go any further. You were the same at first then you gave some good points. Great!
    Then you seem to have taken your medicine, got on the phone to Poppy and decided to go on some strange witch hunt (Toby hunt). You have not answered my other questions on the other thread so I will accept that as you are embarrassed for getting things so wrong.
    I have no idea who Toby, nostrils or whatever you call him is. I was going to play along for a while and watch both you pair of pratts make yourself even bigger ones, but a couple of posters, while amused at my online battles , have reminded me that people like you are not educated enough to change. So it's best to put you out of your misery.
    How long before you take up your tired crusade again? Not long i bet.

    @ Ploppy
    Who are you?...We don't care...

    May 03rd, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    We you, yourself and tobi?


    Stick to your Mendozan shithole.......and keep your grape juice there as well.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    mendocinovino is not Toby, not even close. I was also accused of being Toby btw

    May 03rd, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    I have been the subject of imitation, replication, or following since I arrived here. I cannot count the number of alternate “truth telling trolls”, “tobiases”, “JohnIII popes”, Nostrolldamuses, and other impersonations.

    I just think its funny you think it is me.

    I NEVER have used more than one account on this website. Never. I wouldn't have time anyway.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    CD you are hardly tobi. want to know who I am? email me:

    May 03rd, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    Yes, but why do you change this accounts for?? It genarates confusion and distrust and other people get mixed up in the suspition they might be you

    May 03rd, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    I am devastated that the anti-argies in this forum distrust me.


    I don't have multiple accounts.

    The reason people create alternate “me's”, or people with similar names, or even now and then a real disciple, is that I stir the pot with TRUTH, and tell it to the Anglo-Euro-North Am claque in their faces. Unconfortable truths of their countries.

    I am more informed about what happens in NorthAmia, with the EUians, and the Ozzers than they are.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    This is why you come across as an idiot tobi. Save for a few here, many are NOT anti Argentina and certainly not to the level of your anti white, anti USA and anti Europe. What they, including myself proclaim to be is anti kirchner, anti socialism.....something you time after time fail to grasp. You think I go to Argentina because I hate it or have to because I married an Portena and have to? Give me a break and get a brain.

    And btw, you THINK you know about North America and Europe. Reading the internet can help you understand history but falls short for today's world.

    You maybe be informed in national events but the USA is by far more than a nation, a concept foreign to you.

    What are the top 5 concerns in Massachusetts? Boston? Illinois? Washington (state). These are things you can hardly google. Informed my ass tobi. Meet me face to face at Cafe Tortini....if mom lets you travel.......but no worries. I may be heading north to Mendoza.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest



    Far from wanting a “discussion” of a new form of government, you were very obviously fishing for a condemnation of the royal Family as “tyrants”, by asking leading questions several times.

    You are correct that I did start out by indulging you with a reasoned response, but your reaction was a patronising evasion of my conclusion and a reiteration of your questions, yet you offered no discussion or ideas of your own, just continuing to harp on the same theme.

    You started out by labelling everyone on MP as “so-called free thinkers”', already judging their opinions as wrong or inadequate.

    You were yourself, repeatedly evasive, refusing to enter any discussion or put forth ideas.
    It was clear that the only answer you would accept to your repeated question was one that denounced the British Monarchy.

    Far from promoting free debate, you were looking to bash the Monarchy for reasons known only to you.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “ Save for a few here, many are NOT anti Argentina..”
    maybe you are not anti argentina.
    but most of the people here is.
    including this joke of newspaper.
    guess the problem is they do not know how to differentiate between ordinary people and politicians, or country and government, etc.

    the sample is that many of those twats rejoice with every bad news about argentina.
    if there is deads involved, much better for them.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Paul you have never seen me call Argentine's greasy, filthy people, or call them all broadly stupid. But we all know who they are. Their hatred of Argentina is just as deep as the trolls on here and their hatred of whites and North Americans and Europeans.
    I may call that to some posters here, but not Agentines in general. Nor do I call the country a filthy place, in fact I have posted many times that I always enjoy my visits to Argentina. And it would be crazy for me to see Argentina get worse as I still have a lot of extended family there.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • yankeeboy

    Last year Toby was trying to bait me over the trayvon martin case. Claiming race wars were coming.
    He so stupid, he has no idea about how things work in the USA.
    or Argentina for that matter.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendocinovino

    OK Toy...have it your way. It looks to me like your using Daddy's account now he has gone out. When he come back perhaps he and I could have a discussion.
    Your biased opinion is not how I see it at all. Clearly I was correct. You were incapable of taking yourself outside of your little box and imagining a world where blind obedience to a monarch or such like would be ridiculed as ignorant.
    The last time the common English thought such treacherous and heretical things the establishment got their Royal backsides kicked. Shame those thoughts never traveled back to the homeland. Otherwise instead of calling it “the war of American independence” we would be calling it the “second English Civil War”.
    But I guess that's too much for you to imagine...

    May 03rd, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I check hotel rates in BA every so often. My prediction is there's going to be a lot of them closing in the next year or so. The rates they are showing are about 1/2 of what they were last year at this time.

    I would call the outlook BLEAK.

    May 03rd, 2014 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld


    Maybe because everyone is going to Brazil this year?

    What an undiluted MORON!!

    May 04th, 2014 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Paul you might be interested in knowing that there are many Argentine communities in the USA also. Let me Qualify that.....successful Argentine communities. One of the largest is in Greenwich CT, just outside of NYC and I know many there. Extremely well off town in Connecticut.....I couldn't touch property there.

    yankee I use Loi's periodically....try them.

    Troy I see what you mean.

    May 04th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    60. Why would people be traveling to Brazil over BA next week? Am I missing something?
    Regardless of where they are going (business and tourists) they aren't going to BA and that means hotels will be closing and then the nicer restaurants will go too. Nobody travels 13 hrs by plane to go to an expensive dirty dangerous city.
    I told you that would happen a long time ago.
    I guess you forgot.

    May 04th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    ”Regardless of where they are going (business and tourists) they aren't going to BA and that means hotels will be closing and then the nicer restaurants will go too”
    it seems you are wrong (again)

    May 04th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    64. Paul, Reread my post 59. Hotels are much much much cheaper than they were last year, which was cheaper than the year before, let me tell you why, high vacancy.
    That means less people are staying in them.
    I watch hotels downtown, hotels that used to be $150 night a year ago are now $72.
    It wouldn't be that low if they were at capacity now would it?

    May 04th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    $72 a night. Maybe I can find one in Recoletta at that price and not stay with family for a little more privacy. $180 plus is the best I can find......for my standard. And I'm just a working class (hence my limited time on here) and that is too rich for my blood for my time period there.

    May 05th, 2014 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ricagp

    It has everything to do with the recent problems envolving both governments. For the same reason Brasil was rated as the “most friendly” country by 50% of uruguayans in the same pool: Mujica, Vazques,Battle and Sanguinetti always maintained very good relations with Cardoso, Lula and Dilma and never had any noticeable tension between them.

    Political differences and tensions of the moment usually impact these pools.

    May 05th, 2014 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    It is odd(weird) how the Argentine trolls come out in force to defend the indefensible! Still, I suppose we have to be entertained by something!

    May 05th, 2014 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “force to defend the indefensible...”
    no, gordo troll.
    it is just that you lot insist on talking about a country that you don´t know at all.

    clearly yankeeboy knows argentina pretty well, and i agree with many of his opinions about the govt, economy, etc, but that is not the current situation of tourism here.

    so, if you read the reports of newspapers like la nacion (it is not an ally of kirchner, in case you do not know), or if you go to any of the tourist centers during weekends, you would realize it.

    May 05th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Poppy, I just looked at, around Retiro or downtown there are plenty of nice hotels for under 150 night. It would be good for you to explore different parts of the city anyway! Recoleta is nice but it has jacked up prices because it is so touristy.
    I lived at the 4 Seasons for my first month in BA. It is the only hotel with a heated outdoor pool. I swim everyday so that is important to me. It is also lovely. But those were different times there weren't as many hotels then. If I were going now I'd either stay at Algodon Mansion or Club Frances they are nicer than the Int'l hotels and much more private.

    May 05th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Recoletta is where all the family live, or most of the them. There and Pillar and up north in Corrientes. I've been around the other areas also. I tend to listen to my personal tour guides on where to go and where not to go as I am somewhat of a captive tourist.
    One of the relatives will have an empty apartment anyway so I should be all sent for my time there.

    May 05th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    if you need to stay in recoleta, you have the algodón mansión, the alvear palace or the plaza hotel at u$s 300 / 380 per night, pretty expensive for argentinian standards, or the plaza francia, etoile, etc at a range of u$s 90.
    all of them are well located.

    anyway, i would try with a smaller hotel in palermo like the bys hotel (u$s 70) or in san isidro (s.i. maybe is a bit far from downtown for you) like the hotel del casco or the san isidro plaza (u$s 170)

    May 05th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    TY Paul......guess what, fairly expensive for American (at least this one) standards as well. Most of us don't live with gold laced I am stay with family.....but thank you just the same.

    I'm hoping to catch a show at Notorious when I am there......great place. The Colon as well, most of my other trips were always in the summer and the Colon was closed.

    May 05th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    you are welcome.
    hope you enjoy your stay.
    the colón is open now, guess you can check their agenda in their website.

    May 05th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    @40 hi Ynsere, you're right. Having Australia and beautiful Pacific islands as neighbours here is pretty cool.

    Paulcedron - 170 for the hotel del Casco is pretty good, although San Isidro is dead in the evenings and the tren de la costa station is seriously going downhill.

    May 06th, 2014 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I have always said I enjoy all of my visits. My worst experience is usually a cab or the city bus, but that can be said anywhere.

    May 06th, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    75. Be careful on a city bus. I hear the fare is now a finger.

    May 06th, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I try to avoid them if I can as it's really an aerobic exercise standing in them as they narrowly avoid the pedestrians.

    May 06th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I tried a bus but the diesel fumes, body odor, noise and lack of a/c made it into a one time experience.
    You get what you pay for.

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  • Stevie

    Maybe you should pay for a shower next time...

    May 06th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie, Have you seen this yet:
    “In three states, as well as in Caracas, security forces allowed armed pro-government gangs to assault unarmed civilians, and in some cases openly collaborated with them in the attacks,” found the one-hundred sheet paper entitled “Punished for protesting.”

    BTW the conflict is STILL deadly and STILL ongoing. Didn't you tell me 2 months ago it would be over?
    Yeah, yeah you did.
    Are you ever right about anything Think2?
    Anything at all?

    May 06th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Did you see what is happening in Ukraine? The military attacking its own people. USA says the violence is acceptable.

    Maybe you lot should stop talking about Venezuela until you've managed to make people look the other way.

    As it is, it's just way too blatant...

    May 06th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    No I am happy to show you how ridiculous you are.
    Maduro was just saying the new ration cars will solve the bare shelve problem
    Do you believe him?

    May 06th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    While in Ukraine your nazi buddies killed some 40 people setting a building afire...

    I'd rather fight an enemy that, out of desperation, puts production at halt in order to impose his/her views...

    May 06th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My guess is you've never been in a fight your whole life. Keyboard warrior that you are.

    I wonder will the V ration cards help inflation too? Will they save everyone from a life of misery?
    DId the Happiness Ministry dole out Happy quotas too?
    Can't have too much you know.

    Oh the foolishness of Progressive
    It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

    May 06th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Ah!!! That's why you agree with the Ukranian nazi's!
    Burning people alive most surely helps to end a “life of misery”

    You reckon Maduro should send the Venezuelan military to kill their own people, don't you?

    May 06th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    85. Nah, Maduro is doing well enough arming gangs on motorcycles to deal with those pesky protesters that want a few extra sheets of TP this week.

    Didn't read the HRW report did you?
    So here you go:

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  • Stevie

    I don't understand, is it better or worse than burning the protesters alive and sending the military to kill its own citizens?

    May 06th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    “While in Ukraine your nazi buddies killed some 40 people setting a building afire...”

    You father really should not have raped your mom, look what they produced. Apparently you are not aware that that whore.....peron was the one who smuggled nazi's as a buddy into Argentina and took looted Jewish treasures.

    BTW......where is the USA stating the violence is exceptable?

    yankee most of the world knows that venezuela is self destructing. How fast is entirely up to the bus driver and the people.

    May 06th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    88. I am seriously wondering if the Happiness Minister has put in Happy Ration Tickets in the book.
    I wonder what the trade ratio is 1 happy coupon for 2 TP or the other way around?
    Marxists are such silly fools.

    May 06th, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Any country that installs a bus driver as their leader, well.....we see what is happening. Lack of toilet paper is no big deal as limited food supplies means no shitting. In the shortage is ALL paper. He blames the “IMPORT MAFIA”

    You can't make this shit up!!!!

    I see thousands have been laid off in autos in Argentina....sales dropped 36% because big daddy (Brazil) can't get it up anymore. I am not saying it with joy as it affects many I know, extended family. But maybe the silver lining is that the people, or the former assface supporters will see cuntlips for what she is.

    May 06th, 2014 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Well the bus driver does have a helpful bird giving him advice when he doesn't know what to do.

    I will give you one Happiness ration ticket for all of your TP tickets.

    May 07th, 2014 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Current happiness levels in Venezuela?

    Umm.... not so good!
    Most miserable places in the World, and why.!JYvN7

    Venezuela gets top spot, (and Argentina gets an honourable mention coming in fourth!).

    I wish the Boli-bullshitters would just self-implode but I think they need a little push....

    May 07th, 2014 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    They won't self implode, they are like the walking dead, they need head shots.

    May 07th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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