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The 'indigence' basic food basket in Argentina climbed 40% in 12 months
An average Argentine family during the month of April needed 4.779 Pesos (approx. 600 dollars) not to be included in the poverty category, which represents an increase of 1.6% over March, of 20% in the first four months of the year and 40.5% in the last twelve months, according to the latest report from the Latin American Economic Research Foundation, FIEL. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou have to make like 10 babies to recieve that amount from the government...LOL!
May 09th, 2014 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0AUH for each kid is $460
http://www.diaadia.com.ar/argentina/asignacion-universal-hijo-sube-353-460-mensuales
Unemplyeed get anout $1750 for the Argentina trabaja plan.
http://www.diaadia.com.ar/argentina/asignacion-universal-hijo-sube-353-460-mensuales
So that decreases the amount of kids to round to 6 and 7.
There is about 150 different kind of subsidies and social plans like this in the Province of BsAs alone. Those are the two ones I can think about
So INDEC has stopped publishing the Basic Basket and the Total Basket statistics.
May 09th, 2014 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't need to be a genius to work out why they have stopped. But it does not make the increasing poverty go away.
Why does FEIL *only* offer Basic Basket figures for the City of Buenos Aires? Surely the situation in the rest of the country is equally as bad.
My guess is poverty will be at or above the same rate when the Kthugs took over.
May 09th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 050% by 2015.
Is anyone surprised by 40%?
May 09th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it may have been higher and it probably is by now.
USD 600 or GBP 375 per month. Desperate measures for a lot of people are coming to a slum near BsAs to add to their existing problems.
Didn't the teachers settle on $4500/mo?
May 09th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boy is that going to be tiny by next year and another devaluation.
To do a basic food shop per week you can do it on $1000 pesos. Throw in some fuel, electricty, water etc no wonder half of them are struggling.
May 09th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 - Ahh, that's the issue. They don't know that there will be another devaluation. They are probably still blaming the last devaluation on the boss of Shell. It was all his fault afterall...
May 09th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AxelK is so f'ing arrogant, what a scumbag he is. He would probably have a very hard time finding a permanent job in the USA selling hamburgers or sweeping up.
May 09th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't imagine what kind of a society fines stores for pricing items as they see fit.
Argentina is truly bizarre.
If they spent 1/2 the time adhering to proven market oriented best practices rather than chasing after stores that can't adhere to the price controls it would probably be a decent place to live.
I hope there are enough lamp posts when this regime collapses.
Meanwhile children still go to sleep hungry!
May 09th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who gives a Fuck who is right or wrong?
The children don't.
Fuck all I can do about it though, take a bigger, better man than me!
Does anyone know how many generations back the squatter
May 09th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think can trace his ancestors in South America?
10. I think he said 1 generation but I am pretty sure he's not been in South America since the 70s.
May 09th, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ probably squatted there after about 1945-6. I wonder if he imported any cyanide with him..
May 09th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#6...basic food for 1000 pesos? For a week?? What planet are you living on?
May 10th, 2014 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13
May 10th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, yes and Earth.
TWIMC
May 10th, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some perspective is dearly needed here…
1) TODAY, an unemployed person gets $ 2,000.-, under the “Argentina Trabaja” Cooperative Plan…
2) TODAY, an unemployed person gets $ 460.-, for each child under 18 years in his/her household…
3) TODAY, a family group consisting of two unemployed grown ups and two children under the age of 18 do get a MINIMUM of $ 4,920.-
Certainly “NOT ENOUGH”, but……..
a) Seems like YESTERDAY when an unemployed person could get the nice, round sum of...: $ 0.00.-
b) Seems like YESTERDAY when, for each kid, an unemployed person could get the nice, round sum of...: $ 0.00.-
c) Seems like YESTERDAY when a family group consisting of two unemployed persons and two children under the age of 18 could get the nice, round sum of...: $ 0.00.-
PS…:
Anglo poster (6), Mr. Mendocinovino is more than right when writing…:
”To do a BASIC food shop per week you can do it on $1000 pesos.”
Actually…; you can do it with quite less…
If in doubt, do your own math’s…:
http://www.precioscuidados.com/
@15
May 10th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is the problem with subsidizing poverty, that is what I was saying. The problem is that you see that as a good thing just shows how much of a leftie throwback you are
The government is hoping they can keep on printing pesos faster than the increase in prices. It doesn’t work like that, never has.
The middle and productive class are going to be completely squashed.
Etchegaray announced that there was an increase in tax income of 37 % in March. AFIP is becoming the next INDEC and lying about the money they are collecting.
http://www.eltribuno.info/jujuy/400617-La-recaudacion-de-abril-se-incremento-un-37-segun-el-Gobierno.note.aspx
Not to mention that inflation is round 35% last year and the devaluation of January.
So they admit that last year trade balance plummeted 95%, factories laying off people, they admit less consumption, less consumption
My suspicion is that Laffer's curve has overtaken its peak by now and the government is transitioning the period where every increase in the fiscal pressure is translated into less revenue to the point it just doesn’t make any sense to work and produce
GM announced another couple thousand layoffs.
May 10th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just the beginning
I wonder how the gov't will support all of these newly unemployed?
By printing more pesos?
Hmm that sounds about right
Food inflation is 44% anyone think it will be 100% by eoy
Yeah it will right after the next devaluation
Have the new gas, electricity rates hit yet?
Food or Heat? Food or Heat?
I wonder what I would choose if I had to?
Ooh, looks like the wheels are coming off the bus!
May 11th, 2014 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0*pulls up chair, hands around popcorn*
Will Crass-tina last the distance? Is Tango 1 at ready? Who has the suitcases stuffed with cash?
Stay tuned kids, it's gonna be quite a show(down).
Yep finally the consultants are providing real evidence to what I have being suspecting over the last weeks.
May 11th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Government revenue is falling. Apparantly since Agost 2013 it has being doing so.
http://www.urgente24.com/226419-alarma-por-la-estanflacion-cae-la-recaudacion-sobre-cheques-y-venta-de-naftas
Using the congress inflation since 2005.
So how can VAT one of the main revenue tax they have being increasing when.....??
Supermarket salls down 6% April...
Even Coca-Cola had a decrease in sells. Shoppings sells down 15%.
Car sells down 33% in March and 35% in April.
Industry shrinks 5% in April.
Real Estate business down 7% April
Credit consuption down 10%.
http://www.urgente24.com/226419-alarma-por-la-estanflacion-cae-la-recaudacion-sobre-cheques-y-venta-de-naftas
AFIP is the next INDEC
The reported Congress food inflation is probably the closest indicator to real inflation. So that's running 44%, tax revenue is “reported” at 37% increase that's a HUGE decrease.
May 11th, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They must print more pesos to keep up spending.
There is no way out of hyperinflation and a systemic financial crash.
No way out
Like the EUians and NorthAms here say, I'm not worried about it.
May 11th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like they don't worry at all about their poor because their poor are “better off” than many argies (that's their logic, believe it or not to justify ignoring their local problems), I'm not worry because Argie poor are better off than the middle class in Africa, most of the middle east and Asia ex-Japan/Korea.
21. There's no distinction between 3rd world poor. Misiones ( or any of the outlying provinces) looks like the poorest parts of anywhere in the world.
May 11th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Filthy starving shoeless peasants look the same everywhere.
What you can't seem to grasp is this is the begining of the collapse it will get much worse very quickly. As people get laid off and fired their taxed salary disappear out of the gov't revenue and it is replaced by an expense. They can only make up the revenue by printing more pesos.
Which will increase inflation, make more people unemployed and on and on it goes until there is a systematic collapse.
Where the heck is the SOY revenue going?
If BCRA can't hold the peso at 8 now how do you think they'll do it when the SOY sales are done?
@22
May 11th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you are right. See films on Detroit and other parts of Michigan or Mississippi, No difference at all.
You have a former world-class theater crumbling as a parking garage for F's sake.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. The poor in either place live much better than the middle class in Argentina. And they certainly have more opportunity to succeed than in your country.
May 11th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus there are tons of immigrants in Detroit and suburbs.
The suburbs of Detroit are quite beautiful.
I've never been to Mississippi I hear the beaches are lovely though.
Too bad you'll never see them.
@24
May 11th, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a LIAR. I have seen reports of those places, their infant mortality is at last 20 per 1000, their murder rates well into the 40s (that's Brazilian levels), and no, they don't live better than the middle class here.
Suburbs of Detroit, yeah and in Misiones are really beautiful towns and wealthy neighborhoods... so??
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w599/leandrok87/11_zpsbd73eac2.jpg
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w599/leandrok87/11_zpsbd73eac2.jpg
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w599/leandrok87/11_zpsbd73eac2.jpg
And that's not even Posadas it's the 3rd town in the province in the middle of the jungle. You are a joke if you think we believe your lies that Misiones = Sudan or Bangladesh, you must have been dropped as a child, most definitely.
23. I've been to both places. I've never seen poverty like I did in Misiones I was shocked! Not even in Bolivia or Peru did I see the people in such a state of wretchedness. It was really disheartening.
May 11th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can google Detroit suburbs or MI towns all you want. There's not many places in the world prettier than Charlevoix or Mackinac Island. I've summered in both places and if I have time I hope to go back this year although my weeks are filling up quickly.
Too bad you'll never be able to see them.
Venezuela violent death crime rate is 75 per thousand.
May 11th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for comparison!
@26
May 11th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dude give it up. No one believes you. No one believes you get 8 weeks vacation, no one believes you travel on weekends to London, Milan, and Dubai, no one believes you have travelled all over Argentina given your outrageous ignorance on the place. Only a FOOL would go to Misiones and be lead to the part with the “worst poverty in the world” (lie, of course), when you have several picturesque towns there plus of course the national parks and the Falls.
Get out of here. And yes Michigan and Mississippi are in several areas third world hellholes.
See the movie “Last Lovers left alive”, a British-German indie film, to see the desolation and ruin of those places.
Toby, you are the one who looks ridiculous. I know what I type is accurate. Yes going to London for a long weekend was very doable. It was cheaper than and quicker than going to LA. I never said I went to Dubai or Milan on weekend trips. I have been to both though. I don't like Dubai. Too hot and sandy.
May 11th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no areas of the USA anyone in their right mind would call a 3rd world hell hole.
If you go visit Iguazu, which I am sure you'll never have the money to do, go to the little town, or worse yet the Indian reservation, you'll see the poverty I am talking about. Filthy homeless starving people. It is heartwrenching. BTW I didn't set out to see the disgusting poverty it was by accident. I just wanted to get off the boring resort and see the town.
Boy what a mistake, you can't unsee that kind of stuff.
Never leave the resorts when you are traveling in the 3rd world.
Never
You'll never see poverty like that in the USA. It is impossible.
@29
May 11th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would never leave the immediate hotel area in the USA. Step into the wrong neighborhood and suddenly you seem to be in Baghdad or Mogadishu, and you are probably done with. I have seen thousands of pictures. In all USA cities only two or three STRETS from the glitzy skyscrapers you are in hell. Dilapidated buildings, rusting cars, trash, rotting dead trees with no leaves, and homeless everywhere.
Detroit is special because it is the whole entire city that is like that not just some areas like in the other NorthAm cities.
Never leave the tourist traps when in the USA, if anyone goes there.
30. Except you'll never get the chance to visit the richest most powerful country in the world.
May 11th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll be stuck your whole life in a backward province of a 3rd world country.
You'll be lucky to be able to communicate with us in a few year.
Dear YankeeBoy,
May 11th, 2014 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do let me know if you are planning a trip to London. If it matches my business diary, I would be happy to take you for a meal and show you around a few places.
Equally, I would like to extend the same invitation to Venezuela, but unfortunately I think I would be doing you a disservice given the current circumstances.
Maybe in about five years, when the Boli-garchs have been put to the sword and normal service resumes.
Fingers crossed!
sincerely,
Ilsen
@31
May 12th, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why would I go anyway? To see 50.000 McDonalds that look exactly alike, 50.000 Starbucks that look exactly alike, 50.000 highways that look exactly alike, 50.000 Walmarts that look exactly alike, no old cities and towns, no castles, no real cuisine, no museums, and fat people everywhere?
I'll pass thank you.
You have castles in Latin America?
May 12th, 2014 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe some old Inca forts. Do you actually understand what you are trying to say?.
Don't worry, I ain't going to Venezuela either.
May 12th, 2014 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0To see the world I never have to leave Argentina. Only country with all climates, ecosystems, and cultures within its borders.
Toby thinks all the world is as crappy as Argentina and anything else he can see through his grainy computer screen.
May 12th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0loser
If Argentina is so great why does it still need Aid money from the UK and the EU?
May 12th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina, one of the G20 major economies and whose relations with the UK remain strained over the Falklands, was earmarked £9.5 million in aid. ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9560326/British-still-giving-hundreds-of-millions-of-pounds-in-aid-to-wealthy-countries.html
@27 take a pil son
May 12th, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jeeez. If you can come off the 1st percentile of intelligence for a second at least look at the chart you are quoting!
IT IS PER 100,000 you retarded Cuckold.
Do you bother to read? Or does someone give you information? presumably because you find it difficult on your own eh?
A sixth of the money spent by the UK Department for International Development goes straight to the European Union’s aid programme, EuropeAid and the European Development Fund.
May 12th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The EU spends about half its annual aid budget of £10 billion on middle and higher income countries' - Like Brasil. Countries with vast numbers of genuinely poor and destitute people.
Brazil - which will spend at least £9 billion on the Olympics in 2016 - received more than £10 million in European aid for schemes including £660,000 spent on the social integration of women living in fishing communities (the Amazonian rainforest river communities) and £120,000 on the 'integration of indigenous city dwellers’ (the favelas swollen by massive urban drift).
We would all accept that, if the programmes targeted in Brasil for riverine or urban peoples with serious need were described in detail - like they are in the EU (remember all those hoardings displaying EU Support Programmes ... everywhere in the EU except England, where it is thought 'too infradig'),
'70% of people in the UK would vote 'Yes', not 'No'.
No, it is largely a politicians' stance in the UK to focus on:
1. the injustice of giving aid to the vast 'middle income ' countries (where their 'middle income' is 'serious destitution' in UK terms - trust me I know our maids' families circumstances), and
2. the corrupt diversion of Aid to the foreign politicians and 'freedom fighters' in order that aid gets through to those in greatest need.
The UK Government can commission - at any time - the BBC to give an annual (and audited) hour of its support programmes for the world's poor.
As Patrick says ... “Make it so”!
Can the UK government really tell the BBC which programmes to make?
May 12th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another thing Toby doesn't understand, and I'll use a movie reference, he has no idea he's been living in Kansas all his life a boring b/w dusty dirty existence until he goes to OZ and sees the wonders.
May 12th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But my Rg friends all say the same thing, ”they (meaning Rgs back home) have no idea” standing with their mouth open in amazement of NYC, DC, Chicago etc etc etc.
Mouth open in amazement... Allow me also to open my mouth:
May 12th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHAHAHA.
You are so desperate for adulation and bewonderment. You make it sound like those poor argies are some sort of lost Neanderthals that are dropped into civilization for the first time. You really have seen too many sci-fi films real life is not like that.
There is nothing in NYC, DC, Chicago that would make anyone in Argentina's jaw drop.
Skyscrapers? BA has some, not so many since Argentine cities ban them, but nevertheless. And what else? The classical buildings? BA, Rosario, Cordoba is full of them (Cordoba more colonial). And what else really?? Parks?
Mendoza has far more parks, squares, and plazoletas than most American cities three times its size. It is the Americans in Mendoza whose jaw drop when they see that there is actual trees and greenery in the middle of a city of one million. That does not exist there.
42. Until you see it in person you'll never understand. I've seen the look on many of their faces and it is always the same;
May 12th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jaw dropping amazement.
And these are Portenos.
BA compared to NYC is like comparing La Paz to Buenos Aires. They are in no way similar.
Remember I know both
You know only a backward little town in a middle of a 3rd world country
“Only country with all climates, ecosystems, and cultures within its borders.”
May 13th, 2014 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that a joke?
Climate in Argentina varies from subtropical to temperate. It's pretty much the same variation that you find in the US Southern states, with a very small portion of subartic climate in Ushuaia region. It's NOTHING compared to many countries in the world, specially USA. You don't have tropical or equatorial climates in Argentina - USA has. Gosh, you don't have a fucking decent beach to go.
Cultural diversity? You've got to be kidding. You don't have an afro-argentine population - which is something that you're usually proud of. “We don't have this problem”, as your beloved Mr. Menem once said.
You don't have sizeable communities of japanese, moroccans, Indians (not the Native Americans, Indians from India), etc, etc. Even Brasil has more cultural and ethnical variety than you, not to mention USA. 90% of argentines are italians, spanish or amerindians, or the three intermixed.
You also have far less colonial architecture than most latin american countries. In fact, again, even USA has more colonial architecture than you, in New Orleans, Georgia, South Carolina, Boston, etc.
I don't always agree with Yankeeboy, but now he is right. You're a poor deluded fool who never left your neighbourhood.
@44
May 13th, 2014 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are one ridiculous deluded imbecile.
Subtropical to temperate? Are you f-ing joking or are you really that dumb and ignorant with a big mouth? Really?
So in Argentina the laws of physics somehow get violated too? Argentina goes from parallel 20 to parallel 56. The USA? parallel 25 to parallel 48 (the contiguous country which is what counts).
Many countries in the world? Name another that in its contiguous territory has that climatic extension. You can only name one other, Chile, and they don't have the same climactic conditions because they hug the ocean.
Your ethnic description is an utter lie. Period. I won't even deign it an answer
You are one big-time Argentine hater and racist.
45
May 13th, 2014 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea of climatology, and the fact that you invented the term“climatic extension” proves how ignorant you are. I'll assume that you're talking about “latitude”.
Well, climate is influenced by many things, not only latitude (BTW, your latitude goes from 21 to 52 - its not the largest difference in the world, since Brasil goes from 5North to 34South). And argentinian climate varies from subtropical in the center-north (including Buenos Aires and all major cities) to temperate in the center-south, with the obvious influence of altitude and continentality in some places (except the region around Ushuaia and Rio Gallegos, that lies in the border of subartic climate).
“Contiguous territory” is irrelevant. USA - just to give you ONE example - includes Porto Rico and Hawai, which are 100% tropical places. And it includes Alaska with its polar climate. It's all USA territory.
Racist? Argentine hater? I've defended you many times here, sometimes against Yankeeboy's own remarks. I'm just appalled on how sometone can talk that amount of ignorant shit about the world as you do, in the most arrogant way possible.
I DO think there is a blind anti-argentine bias in SOME comments and SOME news here in Mercopress. I don't like it and - having lived in Argentina and having some great argie friends - sometimes I try to combat it . But people like you are just working to make things worse.
Educate yourself , It will be better for you, your country and everyone.
Everyone here is a racist or hater against Argentines, or against someone else.
May 13th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if contiguous territory is irrevelant then everyone has all cilmates in the world. The Argentine embassy in Jakarta is on the Equator, in a tropical year round climate.
What really matters is contiguity. I can take a car and drive from Puerto Iguazu (which is subtropical jungle, not forest), and drive to Calafate, which is sub-tundra with glaciers.
Americans cannot drive to Hawaii. Brazil has longitude but it matters little in their part of the world, entirely within the tropics. Russia the same but also matters little as they straggle the Arctic circle.
Argentina is the only one to go from Tropic to within 10 degree of the polar circle and from the sea coast to the mountain.
As for colonial architecture in the USA, that was the funniest statement of the year.
I HAVE NEVER EVER READ ONE POSITIVE STORY OR COMMENTARY ON ARGENTINA, NOT ONE. NOT A SOLITARY ONE. EVER. IN TWO YEARS HERE.
That includes from you.
All of you hate the country and love to trash it. It's not opinion, it is fact.
“Everyone here is a racist or hater against Argentines, or against someone else.”
May 13th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That in itself is the most prejudicial statement that one can possibly make. I say that as one who married an Argentine. You are so blinded by your ignorance and hatred of ANYONE not an Argentine that you can't see the world beyond you green little nose. Your parochial attitude of the world and your limited real world experience ( including your own country never having been out of Mendoza) belays just how clueless you are. At best you are an angry little snot nosed twit with a severe case of over confidence that works on the crowd you surround yourself with. But, if ever you enter the real world your ego would be deflated faster than white on rice.
You can't learn the world from the internet. You are to the world what masterbation is to making love.
My goodness, Tobe.
May 13th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're arrogant and ignorant in the same level. Deeply arrogant, ultra-mega-nationalist bordering insanity. You're just the opposite trend of some posters here.
“What really matters is contiguity.” - that's your own criteria, keep it with you. I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about territory. And embassies are NOT territory, your analogy is completely stupid.
Yeah, you go from Puerto Iguazu or any other city in your northern provinces (all of them subtropical), then you drive to Bahia Blanca (oceanic temperate) and then you reach Ushuaia (bordering subartic). Period. You don't have tropical or equatorial climates in Argentina. You don't have a full polar climate, like US has in Alaska.
I'm not talking about LONGITUDE, Tobe. I'm talking about LATITUDE. Brasil doesn't lie entirely in the tropics - which part of “Brasil goes from 5North to 34South” didn't you understand? Russia doesn't lie entirely in the Artic circle. In fact, you even have subtropical climates in southern Russia, a small part, but its still a part of Russia - it's another country with more variation than Argentina. Mexicans - just to give another example - have tropical year round beaches, glaciers, deserts, etc, etc.
You don't even know the difference between latitude and longitude, Tobe! You don't have a clue about other countries, other cultures. You, Tobe, is the racist egocentric there. You know shit about the rest of the world.
You said some people here are racist against Argentines. You seem to be racist against the rest of the world.
Can't you see the terrible image that you give to your country?
I don't hate Argentina, quite the opposite, I enjoyed my time there (only six months, but a good time anyway). I have good friends there, some of my best friends are Argentine. Again, I defended your country against those who try to make it look like Bangladesh or something. Yankeeboy even said that I was argentine in other thread! Lol
Educated yourself.
You have never said anything positive. Period.
May 13th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Good friends are... / Enjoyed my time” is the typical cheap and completely unimaginative shield that haters use.
You all trash Argentina constantly. Play up the negatives to the thousand's power, and any positives you downplay as “well half the other countries in the world have it”.
The narrative here is to make Argentina the most unremarkable, most mediocre, and most turpid place on the planet. With absolutely nothing positive or salient to mention, and with much negative and sordid to bruit about.
Pathetic.
I am here to combat it.
50. I guess you don't realize you are making it worse for your country by lying and exaggerating your narrow minded beliefs about your own country and the rest of the world.
May 13th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't even know your largest and most populous city much less most of the provinces.
You are a sad little boy.
I think you are angry because everything all of us have been telling you is going to happen is starting to happen.
Now you realize you are stuck in a dead end province in a 3rd world country 13 hours by plane to the nearest civilization.
I'd be mad and sad too if I was lied to my whole life and just realized it.
You're pathetic tit mouce. It is obvious you've never read all of my posts.....only selectively negative ones. Even my negatives posts are peronists and kirchners.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are beyond provincial and you truly are sad. It's a good thing you do not know what Argentines really think.
Blah blah blah same old tired copy and paste insults about Mendoza and Argentina. Argentina is part of civilization and Mendoza is a proper city you racist piece of ____.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 053. Except you are wrong on both counts.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the only reason is you have no idea what you are talking about because you've never been ANYWHERE.
And my posts NEVER have anything to do with race.
My family looks like a Benetton commercial so I am probably the least racist person you'll come into contact with.
Such an angry little boi tobi. Does mommy know you are playing the world.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Calling me a racist is proof on it's own that you are ignorant to what a racist is.
General consensus:
Racism is actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior.
What race are you tobi?
@54
May 13th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am correct and both counts. You copy/paste, Mendoza is a city, Argentina is civilization and the USA is the most worthless society that has ever arisen.
Why can't you accept reality? The USA will a footnote in world history, you have brought NOTHING that will be long lasting. No culture of note, and certainly your institutions are British descended with a Roman foundation of government.
History will note you brought nothing new to the table, but a materialistic, egoistic, satisfaction-driven society that having so much resources did nothing long-term with it. Certainly NOT a civilization that will be emulated 500-1000 years from now.
56. Sure, get back to me in 500 or 1000 yrs and let me know if that prediction panned out.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a silly silly fool you have become.
Mendoza is nothing more than a forgetful city in a 3rd world country far far away from civilization.
I have seen it and I have no reason to think otherwise.
I thought you said you were not racist, yet you call us uncivilized, when anyone not from within this website who thinks like you or has been desensitized to your bigotry would find such a statement “first world” elitism at best, racism at par.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dare you go to a REAL CIVILIZED international forum and say the things about argies you say here and see the response you get, if you think you are so on the mark and non-bigoted.
Poor moron.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I think your meds are off today.
May 13th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racism at par. yeah okay do you make up terms that you hope will catch on?
Silly stupid kid.
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May 13th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“At best you are an angry little snot nosed twit with a severe case of over confidence that works on the crowd you surround yourself with. But, if ever you enter the real world your ego would be deflated faster than white on rice.”
Poppy, you're 100% right.
But the worst part of his narrative is the constant attempts to downplay the rest of the world in order to put Argentina above all nations. His descriptions of other countries and cultures are purely based on ingrained prejudices and stereotypes. And when confronted with the truth, he lies shamelessly.
“your institutions are British descended with a Roman foundation of government ” - of course, it's a country colonised by the British, if it were a country colonised by the Spanish like Argentina those institutions would be Spanish descended. What's the point?
Arrogance, egocentrism and ignorance in bizarrely high levels.
Oh dear, that didn't go very well. ..
May 13th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 “Everyone here is a racist or hater against Argentines”
May 13th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not me, nor many others here from the comments I have read here.
“All of you hate the country and love to trash it. It's not opinion, it is fact”
It is clearly your opinion which does NOT make it a fact, no matter how strongly felt. I've previously exposed you presenting invented data as fact and now you are doing it again. Why do you do it when it is so easy for anyone to disprove your “facts”? It just makes you look like an idiot. Going on a tantrum like the one over your previous messages will not alter the facts that NOT everyone here hates Argentina or Argentines. I've seen it other peoples messages here and I love an Argentine woman (my wife) and her Argentine friends and family and asados etc.
What is the tragedy is that the politicians there are making Argentina such a difficult and dangerous place for the many lovely, warm friendly Argentines who live there. The fact that you don't see the distinction either means you have something to gain from the current situation or you've been brainwashed so effectively it is scarey.
Do you foam at the mouth when you type your messages? It sounds like you do. Why don't you take an anger management course?
Anyway, for the second time, I've proved (to my satisfaction) that you are talking nonsense again. It is reasonable to assume that everything you type is nonsense, but it's nice to do a double check and prove it occasionally. :-)
P.S. I'll be showing two Argentines around Chicago this weekend. I'll count how often they are rendered speechless by the city. I know I was when I first saw it.
62. Its nice that someone else is validating my post about the Argentinians agog at cities in the USA.
May 13th, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have been told all their lives that NYC is the same as BA. Which is a complete lie. As I mentioned comparing BA to NYC is the same as comparing La Paz to BA. It is just not possible but the relation is similar.
I just heard Russia will ban the USA from the Space Station.
May 14th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0USA world power hahaha... such a great country they are being bitch-slapped and told they cannot go to space anymore (USA of course has no space-faring capabilities).
This is funny.
TTT
May 14th, 2014 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure my Venezuelan family members consider me racist?
Are you aware of my racial heritage?
What “purity” are you? We are all from one source you ignorant prick.
Also you do not know my racial identitiy.
Equally, in my experience, it is not just 'white' people who can be racist, Do you know about the the inner cty battles in LA (USA) or Bradford or Manchester (UK) between different ethnic groups?
Have you ever ventured out from behind yor computer screen?
Do you want me to lend you some busfare?
You have just shown the world just how ignorant you are.
Fool.
Inner city battles are irrelevant.
May 14th, 2014 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The theme here is to trash Argentina by whatever means possible to justify the ends.
In a tit for tat retaliation Russia loses. My bet is that the USA will pass a law in the very near term allowing oil and natgas to be exported.
May 14th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0This should drive world prices down, way under U$100 barrel so Russia can't make budget ( neither can Venezuela). They won't be able to borrow and their economy looks like Argentina in a year.
BTW we can always use SpaceX for delivery etc to the ISS. Nobody is worried here. Its funny that you think we don't have options. The USA always has options, we have the money, talent and grit to get anything done we want.
Something you'll never understand living in a 2nd rate city in a 3rd world country.
Pretty soon you'll not even be able to communicate with the civilized world.
Well I guess that will solve Argentina's balance of payment problems.
May 14th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I won't say thank you USA because you do such things out of selfish interest. That is why you are finished as a country, you take short-term measures that are terrible long term (see your policy in Middle East, etc).
68. Not in time, I doubt very much BCRA has the U$ to buy enough fuel this winter without putting the peso into a very precarious position of having nothing backing it.
May 14th, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is very telling that they still owe U$6B for imports and have stopped the auto imports driving them out of business. All that says is there nothing left.
We have no MidEast policy, we don't need their oil and we are done with them or haven't you noticed?
LOL, you are a hallucinating fool.
May 14th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are done with them? Hardly. Your short-sighted policy of the previous 30 years will cost you in lives and treasure for 1000 years as they bomb you and kill you at every turn (can you blame them after you bombed their homes and children?)
There is good news though: your country won't last 100 years so no worries about the 1000.
Toby, your education is embarrassing. I am not even sure how to respond to such a ridiculous rant.
May 14th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History has shown that if we need to “take care” of the Mid East we can. We've been doing it for 1000s yrs pushing them back whenever they get a little too big for their britches.
Now that we don't need their oil they can go back to tribal desert nomads killing each other for another patch of sand.
I find it fascinating that you are so arrogant to comment on subjects that you have no clue what you are talking about. I am not sure if it is youth or stupidity.
“We've been doing it for 1000s yrs”
May 14th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is “we”?
Beware of those mushrooms on your front door people, let the descent of yankeeoboy into complete randomness be a lesson.
We, the civilized Christian nations of course. Your ancestors and mine right up until today.
May 14th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do they teach you in that backward place?
You know lots of words but you certainly know nothing else.
I have been to the US. The cities are AWESOME.
May 14th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ilsen.....awesome as a stand alone or awesome compared to what country? That in itself is a very bold statement. I was born in NYC and my family is a long line of NYPD's. What cities are your referring to and compared to what?
May 14th, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cap'n,
May 14th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NYC and Chicago for sheer magnificence. San Francisco is just lovely.
In comparison to. .. well. .. just about ever where I guess.
London is fairly amazing and incredibly diverse but doesn't have that sheer Wow factor of the grandiose physicality of say, NYC.
Berlin is a great place, so much light and space for a capital city. Although some say you can thank the RAF for that.
;-)
Caracas is just a depressing shithole.
Santiago is ok, nothing special, but surroundings are impressive.
I could go on but that's probably enough for now.
Compared to SA cities.....for the most part I will give you that. But I can truly say that most any city I've been to as a tourist, I've yet to have a bad time in any. Chicago right now has awful gangland violence. The heroin outbreak in NYC and the north east in general is at epidemic portions (affording to law enforcement). San Francisco I've always been fond of....I love northern California.
May 14th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am getting to Europe next year so I will see what my wife claims is a major wow factor in Paris....and some of Italy.
Have you ever been just outside of NYC.....drive on the Interboro or BQE or use the subway (still a deal for 2 bucks) that will give you a new wow level.......lol
And in todays papers unemployment is up substantially in Mendoza and people are dying of cancer because needed drugs and being “held at customs”. What the hell is wrong here?
May 15th, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 078. BCRA is out of U$ and can't pay for anything. The meds have been held up for a long time and its not just cancer meds, HIV is another one where the gov't is just letting them die.
May 15th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your future looks like Caracas maybe even worse since Arg doesn't have oil or a way to get Intl loans.
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May 15th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just heard Russia will ban the USA from the Space Station.
Get your facts right. The ISS is NOT owned by Russia so they cannot ban the USA from using it.
What they can do is to refuse to carry US astronauts on the flights and ban them from using the Russian rocket engines.
However, this may backfire on the Russians. They receive a lot of money from the US for use of their space technology.
It will just mean that the US will start up the NASA programs for manned space flights and leave the Russians in their wake as they did in the 1960's
80. I just read and article saying that the Russians playing with the ISS deliveries will drive USA private corps to ramp up their own space programs not NASA.
May 15th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like SpaceX
Nasa is working on Mars now, they're not interested in being a Space UPS.
It is better that the private sector take over these functions and make a business out of it.
The USA will dominate space mining asteroids etc. It is surprisingly close to happening too. Probably in my lifetime! Which would be AMAZING!
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