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Metropolitan Buenos Aires majority disapproves of Cristina Fernandez, but she retains 36% support
A clear majority of Argentines, 56%, in metropolitan Buenos Aires, which is the most densely populated area of the country, disapprove of President Cristina Fernandez, according to the latest public opinion poll made public but also 36% remain faithful and approve the performance of the controversial Argentine leader. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt's so easy to see why this country goes round in negative circles........Peronism. It's a deluded ideology set up by some of the most morally corrupt people in Argentine history.......and that's saying something.
May 20th, 2014 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's just hope the welfare peasants are totally sick of Peronism come 2015 and vote in Macri for a change.
May 20th, 2014 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is going to be no quick fix here or magic pill.
The K's have ruined Argentina for the next 20 years it will take to climb out of this mess.
I bet the percentage of people receiving gov't payouts and work in gov't jobs is right about 36%.
May 20th, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0So no surprise there.
And in Mendoza 1 in 4 are below the poverty line and the country is going into recession. http://www.mdzol.com/nota/534274-una-de-cada-4-personas-es-indigente-segun-barrios-de-pie/
May 20th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was just reading an article on how INDEC is reworking the GDP numbers for the last few years and it is well below ( as I said) what they've reported.
May 20th, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've been wondering what is up with the Peso too. I think BCRA is allowing it to fall to entice the Soy farmers to sell more now. I knew the sales this year would not make up for the fall in auto ( and other) exports. I think they are really freaking out wondering how they're going to pay for fuel this winter.
It is going to be a huge balancing act trying to keep the fantasy of having 25+B in reserves yet not being able to buy fuel.
Hmm wonder why
Is there really only U$6 and they're working on a float?
That's what I think
@2
May 20th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to the Jorge Asis blog the agreement between Macri and Sanz seems to have being cooked up under the table.
I’m hopeful about those two if Massa and Scioli remain polarizing the peronist vote
@2 Even if they do, lack of “bread now” policies will see them get kicked out for another Peronist government further down the line.
May 20th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of that 36% have lived on welfare for the last ten years.
May 20th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No comment.
May 20th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just logging into the thread.
“Controversial leader”
May 20th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to who??????
Uneducated and racist anti-argie NorthAms, EUians, Jappers, and Ozzers?
THEIR OPINION IS WORTH A EUROPEAN OR AMERICAN SOCCER PLAYER. Nothing. They can't vote, they have no power, their views are of no consequence.
Period.
10. You'd have to have a brain the size of a pea not to think this whacked out loon is controversial.
May 20th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooooh!
May 20th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am talking about foreigners. I never talk about Argentines, they are exempt from criticism except for Cabeza Dura, who has decided to be a foreigner or is a foreigner.
May 20th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I don't discuss internal argentine affairs with foreigners.
@13 then we won't expect to see you back here then. bye
May 20th, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That 36% are directly dependent on the government for jobs and handouts
May 20th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats Peronism folks!
Something tells me Tobi cant stand me... LOL! Oh dear I wont be able to sleep from now on.
May 20th, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Care less.
Those 36% really dont give a shit about whats happening in general in the economy or politics of the country - as long as they keep profiting from the government. They´ll keep believing what they want to believe.
May 20th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As long as we don't rejoin cooperation with other countries, I don't care who wins next year. Just keep us unentangled from the Foreign Peril.
May 20th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all that waving and tingling finger wagering,
May 20th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its got to be kiss and tell time, surely..lol
The “support” TMBOA garners is mostly provided by the Botox she has injected into her face, nothing else, surely?
May 20th, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the 8% that wouldn't reply.
Looks like U$ blue is on its way to 12 again. Is BCRA done supporting it?
May 20th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let see how many U$100s of millions it takes to tamp it down.
I think their bags of tricks is getting low
As it goes up so does inflation
@21 They are not going to be able to control it till the elections. I expect the official to be at 8.50 by mid June and blue at 12.4
May 20th, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most everyone thinks it will be 20/1 by eoy.
May 20th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who knows though that's a long way off. There could be a default and devaluation in the mean time.
I think BCRA is out of U$ and its going to start showing really quickly when they have to buy the winter fuel. At spot prices COD.
#17 They believe what they are TOLD to believe.
May 20th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Truth Troll...you really are something. Without the rest of the world AR would fall flat on its face faster than it is now.
Just got back from a 9 day trip to Buenos Aires. Spoke to many people, taxi-drivers, waiters, fruit vendors, policemen, shop-owners, hotel staff, you name it....did not hear one favourable comment for CFK...they all hate her. Let's see if this hate from the working class translates into a thundering defeat for CFK's candidate in the end-of-year elections... Only problem is the several million unoccupied idiots who depend on government handouts --- whose gonna win ?? hard work and progress, or the eternal freeloaders ??
May 20th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just fyi, the blue rate is fluctuating between $ 10,00 and $ 10,50 to the US$....which means that everything is as cheap as hell.
@25 The blue is 11.7 today. All your other points are right on, everyone except the welfare state and La campora idiots hate her.
May 21st, 2014 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
May 21st, 2014 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a previous thread you said: “I would never leave the immediate hotel area in the USA. Step into the wrong neighborhood and suddenly you seem to be in Baghdad or Mogadishu, and you are probably done with. Never leave the tourist traps when in the USA. Why would I go anyway? To see 50.000 McDonalds, 50.000 Starbucks, 50.000 Walmarts that look exactly alike. There is nothing in NYC, DC, Chicago that would make anyone in Argentina's jaw drop.”
In response I typed: “I'll be showing two Argentines around Chicago this weekend..”
So, now an update for you: The Argentine visitors loved Chicago. They said they also loved NYC and Boston and commented on how different the 3 cities were. We left the Chicago tourist areas twice and had no problems at all. We didn't go to any Walmarts or MacDonalds and the only Starbucks we visited was at O'Hare when we said our goodbyes. The restaurants we visited were mainly small independents or members of local chains. It is perfectly possible to have pretty much whatever you want in the USA - a major aspect of the culture is the provision of choice. They loved the greenery they saw in Chicago and Boston. They loved the shopping and managed to buy and fill a suitcase with numerous items because they were so much less expensive than in Argentina. They paid for everything with cash because they knew that if they paid with a credit card and the peso devalued they'd be stung when they got back to Argentina. Finally, as Claudia sat on the floor of Skydeck she looked down and I saw her face change as she suddenly realised that there was just a layer of glass between her and street level 1,353 feet below. She had to crawl off the deck because her legs had turned to jelly. It took her about 10 minutes to fully recover. If that wasn't jaw-dropping I don't know what is! On a separate occasion Andres was moved to tears.
So we had a great time with good friends and had many friendly encounters with Chicagoans.
@27
May 21st, 2014 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely story. I almost felt like I was there!
I love showing Lat Am friends around London but we have nothing like that!
I just show NorthAms, Ozzers, and EUians an edible piece of beef, one they can cut with their fingers and that won't make boobs spontaneously grow, find out later it was kangoroo, or make their brain melt through their nose in 10 years... and their jaws drops.
May 21st, 2014 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28
May 21st, 2014 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, ilsen.
We've also shown Argentine friends and family around London, Cambridge and Oxford and they love that too. Also, on recent visits even the UK has been less expensive for buying clothes etc. than Argentina, so it is perhaps not a surprise that they went crazy in the USA.
There were a few oddities such as Andres buying a jar of pickles (and eating half of them in 4 days) because he (obviously) likes them but they've become very expensive in Argentina.
Also, at one point we were chased down the street by a Chicago policeman because he wanted to make sure we'd understood the directions he'd just given us! :-D
I was always impressed by Chicago, but seeing some of the non-touristy areas and meeting so many friendly and helpful Chicagoan strangers made it go up even further in my estimation and I understand why the locals are so proud of their city and want to give a good impression to visitors.
Well, I'm glad they had a good time. If I go overseas I personally only enjoy places free of foreigners.
May 21st, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If. You go overseas you choose a place free of foreigners?
May 21st, 2014 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0WTF?
Have you any idea how utterly crazy that sounds?
Your a few bananas short of a bunch mate!
Yum kangaroo. So much healthier than beef.
May 21st, 2014 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see Nostril's breakdown is now reaching a critical point. A rebirth can't be too far away.
“If I go overseas I personally only enjoy places free of foreigners.”
Well that leaves Miami then doesn't it? Full of Argentines!
31. Luckily for you there are many enclaves of illegal Argentineans living in the USA.
May 21st, 2014 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just walked by a “coming soon” sign and saw a picture of a Quilmes bottle! I guess we are getting an Argentinian restaurant in my neighborhood. It always nice to see how happy the waiters are to be out of Argentina even if they had to give up their “profession” to come here and be a server.
#30 Pickles in Argentina? There are only a couple of brands and most come from Germany. The made here pickles are not worth eating and the German ones are not much better. Mostly just vinegar. You cannot find any garlic dill pickles here. I make my own...when I can actually find cucumbers.
May 21st, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gas supply cuts are expected next week to the industrial sector although business aren't concerned since their activity has dropped off a cliff.
May 21st, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also rumors are swirling around of another devaluation. That's why they think the blue has gone up so much in a day.
Soy sales much not be as they expected. Methinks the ol' cupboard is bare at BCRA.
January to March energy importations have increased 30% from last year.
May 21st, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 02138 MM U$S has gone to pay imports in a general negative context were the factories are closing and paralyzing down and economical activity is slowing.
@33
May 21st, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously you have never been there. I know people that have and didn't run into ONE Argentine except tourist feeding the families of struggling Americans. I trust them far more than you.
@35
Guess what? ARGENTINES DO NOT LIKE ''PIKCLES”!!!!
I know it comes as a shock to you horrendously arrogant NorthAms, but Argentine cuisine has virtually no influence of NorthAm 'food'. Unlike in the rest of the world, we are not much impressed with your food, which is why it fails every time it tries it here.
Look at Wendy's, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC, all failed multiple times and your pathetic excuse that we can't afford it you can save because those restaurants are EVERYWHERE in other SA countries and much poorer countries in Central America, Asia, etc.
They don't work here because Argentine culture is far too strong for foreign garbage. Only really good stuff succeed here. McDonalds worked only because they were FIRST and offered something different. That's it.
Make your own pickles. Far healthier and tastier.
“Wendy's, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC,”
May 21st, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://investba.com/2011/07/kfc-wendys-pizza-huts-in-argentina/
Some of those companies jumped out of Argentina in 2001, but some returned.
“I know it comes as a shock to you horrendously arrogant NorthAms, but Argentine cuisine has virtually no influence of NorthAm 'food'”
No SA country has influence of NorthAm food. In fact, no country in the world has influence of NorthAm food. Do you know what is NorthAm food? Do you know what's the meaning of “influence”, Tobe?
You have no idea of what you're talking about. You're just an arrogant, racist and ethnocentric pathetic fool, who never gets tired of making your country ashamed.
@39
May 21st, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you ridiculous moron, I'm sick and tired all of you claiming my country is completely worthless with nothing to offer and its people inferior lazy vermin.
I'm just dishing out the truths to put you all in place.
Except Argentina, all the other SA countries are FULL of NorthAm food. Fact. Go to Santiago, Lima, Rio, or Panama, it's just like Houston or Atlanta, they have no national identity to resist the invasion.
And no those companies didn't leave just in 2001, they left TWICE before that?
No one wants to eat oil with chicken or cardboard pizza in this country. We are too demanding and NorthAm food is just not up to our standards.
Argentinian cuisines is nothing to shout home about.
May 21st, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pizzas for example are so poor. Powdery base like toast with a milky topping thats supposed to be cheese. Then you only get a choice of 3 toppings. Theyll put slabs of cheap processed ham on top s o that when you try to take a bite half the topping is pulled off. With so much Italian influence in Argentina its incredible how bad the pizzas are.
@41
May 21st, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are out of your mind. And how would you know anyway?
Argentine pizzas are known the world over. You are just a lying prick-twat.
@42 “Argentine pizzas are known the world over”
May 21st, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No they aren't. Out of the 30 or so countries I have visited extensively, I have never seen a mention of Argentine pizzas. Furthermore, when you go into an Argentine restaurant outside Argentina, they generally don't serve pizzas. If they were world renowned, they would.
You are a little man, with little knowledge outside of his little bubble.
@41
May 21st, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would agree that in general Argentine industrial food is rubbish. I wouldn’t say that Argentine cousin is.
Proper Argentine cuisine is really limited to typical criollo recipes like locro, asados and empanadas, which are great depending if you have a good cook or chef plus some other dishes that derivate from Italian recipies like Milanesas napolitanas (which are not originated from Naples but Argentina).
Otherwise Italian kitchen is italian and doesnt have much to do with Argentine kitchen.
I know what kind of pizzas you mean, its just limited to the amount of money you pay for quality.
@43
May 21st, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0F.off. Little man, because I don't f---- insult and degrade my own country to please you haters????????
F _FFFFFOFF!
There are many Argentine restaurants and fool outlets in London.
May 21st, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not one serves pizza.
I am sure there must be some Argentines working in pizza places but that is not the same thing at all.
What is Argentine Pizza anyway? Is it like a Hawaian or a Margarita?
Never heard of it.
No, becuase you are small, insignificant and understand very little outside of your little sphere of knowledge. To use your language, you are also a lying penis-vagina
May 21st, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 046
May 21st, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But how dare you deny that Argentine pizzas are the Best of the BEst of the BESt of the BEST??
You are ANTI Argentine for not accepting this.
Argentinian food in general is very good. It is not unique though. There's nothing there that you can't get somewhere else.
May 21st, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with Argentina's cuisine is that every single restaurant has basically the same menu. It might get changed up by a few dishes here and there but basically there is no variety.
And if you happen to stray from the Arg dishes and go way out and get chinese it is disgusting. In 5 years I didn't find one Chinese restaurant that was decent. Theres only 1 indian restaurant in the whole country. The sushi is weird because they don't import the right rice.
I will say one of the best meals I ever had was in a village outside of Bariloche that they called a Swiss village ( its not) but they roasted meat and vegys in a pit covered by some sort of berry bush branches and it was amazing! So if any of you are going out that way its something that shouldn't be missed.
Nobody travels to Argentina for the food, like NYC, London, Paris or Tokyo.
“Except Argentina, all the other SA countries are FULL of NorthAm food. Fact. Go to Santiago, Lima, Rio, or Panama, it's just like Houston or Atlanta, they have no national identity to resist the invasion.”
May 21st, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Santiago, Lima and Rio are just like Houston or Atlanta.
Santiago, Lima and Rio have no identity.
Rio has no identity, it's just a South American Atlanta.
Santiago has no identity, it's just a South American Houston.
Dear, oh, dear.
Tobe's ignorance is beyond belief. It's just not human.
And he is the one who speaks out about “European and American arrogance” in the same sentence he downplays all his neighbouring countries. He is probably among those guys who burned down Bolivian houses (with Bolivian immigrants inside) a couple of years ago in Bs As. He is a crazy xenophobic supremacist in the highest level
BTW, I've hever heard one single word about “pizzas argentinas”, even when I lived in Bs As.
48 lol!
May 21st, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies all round. I have no idea if they are the best of the bestest or not.
I am just wondering what makes an Argentine Pizza well, an Argentine Pizza, really. ...
Can anyone help enlighten me, I feel a little gauche. ....
Also if they are so “world renowned” according to our resident gourmand TTT, why can't we get them in London?
Every other cusine is represented here.
I wonder if Alicia served them along side her legendary BBQ?
so many questions, so little time. ..
@49 Yes you are correct , nothing fabulous about the food here and if you are looking for a traditional cuisine it is probably best to make it yourself from scratch.
May 21st, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This could be classed as a benefit as you most likely will be cooking with friends and family enjoying time socializing. Where in the US you would be waiting in a line at Applebee's or some buffet with greasy food.
Anyway if the food's shit we can always wash it down with copious quantities of red wine!
@51 pizzas in Argentina tend to have tons of mozarella cheese and a dough we call “media masa” which is similar to Italian pizza. Also, we don't make square pizzas like in Italy. Other than that it's just pizza. We don't brag about it.
May 21st, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 if you want something exotic good luck finding ingredients though. If it's not something people commonly eat in Argentina you have to know one of those places that sell weird spices for chefs.
Thank God Toby is not the son of a monarch dictator of a communist country.
May 21st, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby has remarkable and I’m not exaggerating, remarkable similarities with someone…. Just like him. He may even have a hidden fixation with Dennis Rodman. Just think about it.
What Argentina would look like if Toby run the place as a dictator.??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EALhTc-hE8
54 Cabeza
May 21st, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're joking, but it's not that uncommon to find Peronists with a strong admiration for North Korea :-)
Ilsen
May 21st, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the offerings in Argentina are heavy to cheese and the style is called Neapolitan, however it's nothing like what you can get in Southern Italy. The dough is completely different and toppings in Italy are very sparse. In BA they load the pie with normally three ingredients. Some Chile artisanal pizza is slightly better, but with a greater range of options of the whole gambit as we have been invaded by Pizza Hut, Telepizza, Dominos, Papa Johns....
It's really hard to beat New York's wonderful thin crust dough.
@44 Don't run down your country's food. Argentine pizzas are usually much better than those served in Pizza Hut or Dominos in the UK. However, 'milanesas' did not originate in Argentina as you claim but - as their name suggests - in Milan. In Italy they are known as “piccata alla milanese”. Some forum members will no doubt insult your cuisine because they find your government obnoxious. But it's not not your country's cuisine that is wanting.
May 22nd, 2014 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54 I have found Nostrills true identity!!
May 22nd, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is in fact Maximo Kirchner
@58 It would explain a lot. :-D
May 22nd, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@57 I agree, I've had some great pizzas in Buenos Aires, e.g. at El Cuartito.
@29 “...make boobs spontaneously grow” Now we know your true identity Max, I can understand your sensitivity in this area. :-D
So funny to read this thread. TTT has lost the plot again.
May 22nd, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't say I was overwhelmed by the food in Argentina either in the best restaurants, the local eateries or in friends houses. I think the whole concept of getting together to socialise and drink is far more important to Argentines than the actual food. In my experience quantity seemed more important than quality.
My Buenos Aries friends were always complaining about the lack of choice on the menus. As YB said, the menu would be pretty much the same in any restaurant, heavily influenced by Italian pasta dishes or meat. As for Pizza, I never heard of world famous Argentinean pizzas. I am guessing they are the height of sophistication for our TTT.
The truth is, Argentineans are good at marketing their beef as the best and the tourists flock to steak restaurants. If it is grass fed , and therefore must be served rare or medium rare or it resembles shoe leather, it is good. But they export their best meat. You will get a better steak in The Gaucho in London than in the best restaurants in Buenos Aires. I know that from personal experience.
Talking of personal experience, there are indeed many, many Argentines in Miami. That TTT does not know this is no surprise to anyone. His world is tiny and getting smaller all the time, hence his fear is growing and his posts ever more crazy.
Thanks for all the feedback, (from what was originally a light-hearted comment). Interesting stuff.
May 22nd, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress comment board at its best!
Cheers everyone!
@35 Mendoza Canadian,
May 22nd, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cucumbers are easy to grow & if you train them on a trellis, they don't take up much room. But you do have to remember to support the fruit so they don't tear or stretch the vine.
l find that Lebanese Cucumbers do well.
And they don't like the cold or frost.
l made so many pickles one summer, l ended up giving them away.
Elaine's commentary is right on the mark. Argentine pizza and pasta is somewhat famous in Chile, although we have about the same. By the way, eating a fine steak other than rare or medium rare is a crime anyway, unless the meat is suspect... #57 I agree with completely.
May 22nd, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Finally
#40 I cannot imagine of a more ignorant comment regarding food in Lima which is arguably the best (minus steak houses which are mediocre) overall in Latin America. Their seafood (as well sadly their Pisco Sours) excels that even of Chile and their Japanese/Chinese fusion dishes are incredible.
Secretly, to the group, Brazil actually imports some of the finest Argentine and Uruguayan beef for their top end restaurants, such as Fogo de Chão and I prefer their style of BBQ over that of Argentina, although arguably the Uruguayans have the best value/quality traditional BBQ fare.
And to wash it all down... Chile and Argentina have the best wine in SA.
Finally, never have dinner at a Tango show. It's a tourist trap and the steaks are pitiful.
My little mention of pickles seems to have really started something!! And the troll says Argentines don't like pickles. Well, yes I can imagine that. They don't like anything with flavour. Except anything loaded with salt.
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gallo made a selection of risotto: espanol, primavera, four cheese and mediterraneo. The mediterraneo disappeared off the shelves about a year ago so I emailed them. Their response was that it was discontinued. Why would they discontinue the best product they make? Because it had FLAVOUR. It was delicious. Four cheese (disgusting) would have been a better choice to cut. I tried to buy caraway seeds one time for cooking, and was told it was prohibited!! Why? Who knows...no one was able to tell me. And then there are the things that are downright good for you...tomato juice, cranberries/cranberry juice (very good for you) blue berries (very very good for you although sometimes available in very small quantities). The average asado gives you about 4500 calories. Not that I don't like asado, just that I cannot eat 2 or more kilos of meat in one sitting. I could go on and on about things that are not available or just don't exist here. When I have people over for dinner, I usually made traditional Canadian/North American food (as best I can with the limited choices I have). The Argentines love it...roast stuffed turkey with gravy, real apple pie, real salad with home-made dressing (they love that and ask for the recipe), butter tarts, blueberry tarts/pies, etc. They gobble up the food like it was their last meal. There are never any left-overs. And oh yes...my variety of home made pickles,, including beets.
@57
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said they did.. Milanesas literally mean “milanese” from Milan in Nothern Italy.
The “Milanesa napolitana” ( which means from Naples) which is basically a milanesa with a pizza top to it was of Argentine invention. Basically the restaurant in Argentina that invented it was called El Napolitano or something like it referenced with the southern italian city, so it made people think the variant was originated from Naples.
Pizzas are good or bad depending on how much you want to pay for them. Junk food in general is better in other countries
I forgot to mention the lack of decent sea food. There is no place in this country that is far from the ocean...and merluza (hake) is the fish of choice??? I wonder if any argies have ever had lobster, Alaskan King Crab and fresh shrimp? Oh no...maybe too much flavour. And as for milanasa...do they eat it every single day? The super near me has a cooler dedicated to the stuff. And yes, every restaurant has basically the same menu. Boring!! Then there is a wonderful restaurant on Aveneda Civit...owned by Americans...that is always full of people...and has great food...flavourful food...mmmmmmmmm.
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 066. I spent a whole night looking for Lobster in BA, going all over town to the “top” seafood restaurants and could never find it.
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As i said BA food is boring, same 10 things on every menu. I don't know how locals stand it. Within 5 blocks of my door I can find food from every area of the world, multiple restaurant choices and all very very good.
I am happy we have an Rg restaurant coming, Uruguayan beef is very good! :)
Mendoza Canadian
May 22nd, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your posts are making my mouth water!
@66 fish and sea food is VERY expensive in this country. There aren't very good fish in our waters, and if I'm wrong, it's because the Asians are taking all our good fish. Here in Argentina you have pizza, pasta, beef, chicken, maybe pork and that's it. The people here don't like anything different or exotic.
May 22nd, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this talk of food…… mmmmm
May 22nd, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kansas Steakhouse was a favourite amongst Argentine friends. An American Steakhouse. It was one of the rare cocktail hour places and always packed. My friends used to point out famous Argentines dining there but I didn't recognise any of them.
I love Peruvian cuisine. Astrid y Gaston has opened in Buenos Aires now, quite near to the Evita Museum, which also has a good restaurant next door. It was a favourite for lunch when I was there. The pumpkin ravioli was good. Pasta, pasta, pasta. That is my lasting impression of BsAs food. I used to walk everywhere to burn off the calories.
I miss the seafood in Chile. Simply the best.
I remember being in Valparaiso in 1994. Some of the seafood places near the docks, marvellous. Quite simply delicious!
May 22nd, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Big bowl of mixed seafood soup to start with. They'd bring it to your table still bubbling and crack a fresh egg into it. By the time you have eaten the soup the egg was perfectly poached and ready to be broken over any remaining chunks of fish and scooped out with fresh bread still warm from the oven.
Quite simply delicious, and only the Starter!
Many a languid afternoon spent there sipping on crisp, fruity wine and taking time chatting over the different courses.....
ahhh, Happy Memories!
Yes Magnus...pork...why the aversion to pork? Would live to get a decent port roast. Used to be able to get them at Wal-Mart, but those are long gone. And then there is ham...what the hell? Processed meat. I wish I could bring back a big butcher's ham from Canada....that would make people crazy.
May 22nd, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of weeks ago I made Nova Scotia style sea food chowder...the neighbours freaked out. They always make a tomato sauce based cacerola de pescado. She said she is changing permanently. And she asked me if I could show her how to make some of the dishes I make!!!
I made a rye bread last week that was my grandmother's recipe. Gave a loaf to my neighbour and she said that if she could make that she would never buy bread again...I told her I make all my own bread and rolls, etc. She wanted all the recipes.
Come on Ladies and Gentlemen, be honest how much do you weight??
May 22nd, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 074 kilos. And I cook and bake like a crazy person.
May 22nd, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72 we don´t like pork, plain and simple. Most people only eat it when they can´t afford beef. Pork has become more common in recent years but only because beef is super expensive now. And people here won't touch bacon with a 10-foot pole. Too greasy and fat. The only people that eat bacon here are the ones born with a skinny body who can afford to eat fast food garbage without gaining weight.
May 22nd, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Based on BCRA's odd behaviour the last couple of weeks you all may be street fighting over the last can of beans pretty soon.
May 22nd, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something very serious is happening and I can't figure out why nobody is reporting it.
I was going to stop talking about food, but Magnus comment “we don't like pork” is childish. Forty million people don't like pork? Went to a “Mexican” restaurant and when they served the salsa, which was just tomato puree, with onions, I asked the waiter about cilantro and his reply was “Argentines don't like cilantro”. Damn again, 40 million people don't like something. They sell it in the grocery stores!!! I guess they like eggs that have a recommended temp of 8 - 15 degrees for storage which are just kept on a shelf, and tomatoes which are kept in a cooler (destroys the texture and flavour of them). Want to poison yourself...always do the water check freshness when I get them home and half of them start turning up immediately...and the have a best before date of 3 or 4 weeks into the future.
May 22nd, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#76...yes something is going on...but reporting things like that here is like talking about things...and its always the same answer: nothing we can do about it. Its almost like they never heard of voting governments out of office.
@76 the gov't ran out of dollars, that's what's happening. Or you mean there is something else behind it?
May 22nd, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 78 MagnusMaster
May 22nd, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ the gov't ran out of dollars, that's what's happening”
So how long to the revolution, then?
More like stealing the US$ from private accounts, oh sorry, exchanged for argie arsewipes then?
What an incompetent bunch of twats! They make “No Money Pepe” and his idiots look like the model of probity.
Maybe MercoPress lifts up The Economists latest review of Arg tomorrow morning
May 22nd, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 77 Mendoza Canadian
May 22nd, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it that you were talking about a water test for eggs, not tomatoes? I haven't heard of that one! I do totally agree about not keeping tomatoes in the 'fridge though. That is just wrong!
Madness about the cilantro situation you encountered also, it grows wild. In Lat Am, many poor survive by picking and selling on the streets, as I'm sure you know.
Chicureo and CD2, and others...
Just on a cultural note. Cilantro is called Corriander in the UK, just like zuchinni/courgette in the UK/US.
No statement to make. I just find it interesting how language spreads. Some English speakers use the Italian or French/Spanish root depending on how they have globalised.
However, I do find this of note.
There is no English Language equivalent for 'coup d'etat'/ golpe de estado'.
Simply dosen't exist. The UK English speakers just use the shortened French form of 'coup' (pronounced “coo”), when refering to such an act.
Now why is that? Interesting... I presume it must be to do with the socio-political historical culture.
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
Not looking for a 'bun-fight', just curious.
So to resume what the anti-Argentines have said since circa reply 40:
May 23rd, 2014 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine is a piece of crap, and any food item from anywhere else on the planet (be it London, Chile, Peru, or whatever) is better.
I think that covers it.
@82
May 23rd, 2014 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not add a positive contribution to this conversation then?
To be called insane, a liar, small-minded, jingoistic, Maximo, crazy, ignorant, small, Campora Campora!, etc?
May 23rd, 2014 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0No thanks.
Oh that's a shame.
May 23rd, 2014 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you still here then?
Are you needy? Or masochistic?
It helps to talk. Let it out. You'll feel better for it they say.
I'm here because we are everywhere.
May 23rd, 2014 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobe's positive contributions are:
May 23rd, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 01- Argentina is better than anyone
2- Argentines are better than anyone
3- Everything that Argentina does is better
4- Everything that argentines do is better
5- Argentina is superior, europeans are inferior, americans (north, central and the rest of south) are just monkeys with no culture and should be civilized by the superior argentines.
@86
May 23rd, 2014 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0umm... no you are not everywhere. Maybe you spilt some on your pants?
You are singular, and a singular dreamer.
Talk to me about this 'we'. (or should that be 'wee'?... your pants still look damp). You can tell us, its ok, nasty StepMother Cristina is not here....
Where are they? Are they just in your head?
No? That medication must be good.
Ok, Let's meet them then. Maybe a niace BBQ in London. I'm sure Alicia still has her loveley plastic pinafore from last time she held a “Social Occasion”....
87
May 23rd, 2014 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah but would you just imagine if the whims of KIM -JONG- TOBI were the rule of law??
Christmas… NO FOREIGN Purchases, NO FOREIGN TRADITIONS, NO FOREIGN IMPORTS, NO FOREIGN thinking, NO FOREIGN NOTHING
He would have his own army of thugs going house by house measuring the % of Foreignness per household.
More than 2% foreignness would be considered high TREASON and ANTI ARGENTINISM by the most glorious illuminated and knowledgeable leader KIM- JONG-TOBI.
Send them to the firing squad !! He would say…
And the dad of the traitorous family would say “ Don’t worry, its only for are own good that we be executed by the most glorious illuminated and knowledgeable leader KIM- JONG-TOBI”
You think Argentina is bad as it is??? Just imagine how brainwashed and backward a country would be under KIM- JONG- TOBI
Cabeza 89
May 23rd, 2014 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol
Again, you're joking, but I've met more than one peronist when I lived in Buenos Aires that ADMIRED North Korea.
And, of course, they were all against “foreign influence” in argentine culture. Specially American and European influence.
In fact, I know that some of them are now in a campaign against brazilian soap operas like Avenida Brasil, whose success among the public is taking the place of argentine productions. In that case, I cannot blame them. I hate soap operas.
@87
May 23rd, 2014 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is your own sublimely warped assessment. I only defend my country from constant attacks and denigration.
@88
I heard beef in London is horrible. On the other hand I heard there is really good pizzerias.
@90
Avenida Brasil taking the place of local productions? Are you out of your mind? Not even US productions do that? Argentina exports a HUGE amount of media, and that not even the sellout Cabeza Dura can deny, especially in teenage shows and advertisement.
BTW, that Avenida Brasil was two years ago. Get with the program.
We may joke my friends, but the ideology is similiar.
May 23rd, 2014 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is some chilling stuff from about our ' comrades' in Venezuela, because the government has an ace in the hole: it can force all radio and TV outlets to transmit a cadena, a compulsory simultaneous broadcast of government propaganda through all private and public media, of indefinite duration.
Whenever they want, and frequently do.
Any channel that refuses is blocked eg: CTV24 and CNNE
http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/23/the-other-side-of-communicational-hegemony/
And this;
The Venezuelan government is finding subliminal war propaganda in DirecTV’s ads for the World Cup. Then again, chavismo has always had a thing against DirecTV.
Read the link - it is hilarious. As in “I’m-watching-someone-have-a-nervous-breakdown.and-it’s-hilarious.”
Not that funny in retrospect. This is the future for Argentina and all ALBA countries.
You heard it here first.....
Over to you...
91 Dear Kin Jong Tobi
May 23rd, 2014 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really live in Argentina? Avenida Brasil is among the most popular tv programs in Argentina NOW. All my argie friends watch it. I follow Clarin and La Nacion on FB and I'm well informed about the popularity of the program and the reaction of Argentine media and actors against it (all of them peronists from the syndicates).
Good to know that Argentina exports that amount of shows. I've never heard of it. Perhaps in other Spanish-speaking countries they're popular, who knows? Anyway, it's irrelevant for the topic.
92 Ilsen
I agree, that's why I highlighted the fact that I've heard it before. Most of my friends were students and academics filled with leftist-nationalist garbage and North Korea was among the nations that some of them defended in our talks, less than Venezuela or Russia but more than a sane person would expect.
Yes Ilsen, I was referring to the egg test, not for tomatoes. And as for cadena nacional, CFK uses the same thing here. Not as frequently as the Madman, who does it almost every day, but she uses is often enough for the most trivial of things. She was criticized about it last year, and stopped for a while...but I this year I think she has been on almost once a week...talking about how wonderful the country is after 10 years of the K's.
May 23rd, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Mendoza Canadian.
May 23rd, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think argentines dont like change becuse there is alreadyy enough instability. So they cling to familiar things like food. Its like supporting the national football team - like its a duty and makes them feel united or something.
@Cabezadura
I was little harsh about Argentine pizzas: You can find decent pizza in Argentina though youll end up paying as much as we do in the UK for the equivalent which seeing as Argentines have half as much disposable income makes it poor value for something that is essentially pretty basic. And you simply wont find the same variety. In a country swimming in agricultural land.
I like many things about Argentina but it sucks that in Argentina you have to pay alot for something just of reasonable quality. Food ingredients above all really shouldn´t be restricted so heavily.
@92 yes everything Chavez did was taken straight out of Peron. Actually Peron went even further than Chavez. The only change Chavez did was using left-wing marketing and calling himself “socialist”, Peron would never do that, he even persecuted the left-wing terrorist groups he had supported while in exile.
May 24th, 2014 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The stuff in Telesur is pretty much the same we have here in government supported media. The only difference is that CFK couldn't completely shut down or buy all the private media or impose the cadena to the same extent as Chavez, so we aren't force fed all that propaganda.
I've seen Peronists on the internet defending Venezuela, Cuba and Russia but never North Korea. If there are Peronists defending North Korea... wow...
96
May 24th, 2014 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I've seen Peronists on the internet defending Venezuela, Cuba and Russia but never North Korea. If there are Peronists defending North Korea”
I've met some of them at the UBA.
Left-wing peronists are terrible, but I believe the right-wing lot are worse. They are basically nazis.
I believe one should live to eat not the other way around. Each and every meal should make your taste buds soar. I cannot understand why restaurant owners and chefs do not check out recipes on the internet. One night in a fancy restaurant here a friend ordered a ceasar salad....it was made with cabbage, grated carrots and tomatoes...and had a sauce of oil and garlic. And why no pepperoni here...I cannot for the life of me understand that one.
May 24th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT, alias Kim Jong Tobi @29...your insinuation that good beef can't be found in the USA is so far off the mark, either you have never been there or you cannot afford anything but Burger King. The USDA Prime beef is unbelievably good, but the chef has to know what he's doing.
May 24th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT@31, your statement “If I go overseas I personally only enjoy places free of foreigners”...well, if you go 'overseas', by definition you are going to places FULL of foreigners....d'you realize how stupid you sound ?
TTT@38, Your ”Obviously you have never been there (Miami) . I know people that have and didn't run into ONE Argentine except tourist feeding the families of struggling Americans“.........Just goes to confirm that YOU have NEVER been to Miami, or anywhere else in the US of A. Don't speak of what you don't know. Fact is, there are tons of RG's in Miami - and not only tourists - who are intelligent and been lucky enough to leave the CFK's RgLand.
TTT@42 your ”Argentine pizzas are known the world over“.....if YOU consider that Argentina is the world, then yes, they are known the world over. I quite frankly, do not like the thick dough with relatively little toppings...it's like eating bread...prefer the thin crust with plenty of toppings. But that's a matter of taste.
Have been to RGtina literally dozens of times, both on busines and on vacation. As such, I tried the so-called ”best“ restaurants, which aren't the best at all, just famous and tourist traps...such as Cabaña Las Lilas, La Cabaña....Last week I went one in San Telmo, ”La Brigada“....the quality of the meat (bife de chorizo and bife de lomo, eaten rare, or ”jugoso”), definitely one of the best...washed down by a good Argie wine.
Elaine@60, just mentioned “La Brigada” for your future reference.
@81 Ilsen....racked my brain for a phrase which translates “coup d'etat' into English...consulted the internet, dictionaries, and zero....seems that it's the same as in French, ”coup”....
Magnus...you don't know that Argentina supports TeleSur? Thank god or whoever who curbed CFK's attempts to take over the rg media like the commies did in VeneCuba. This country would be in an even worse state than it is now. She spends 1.4 MILLION DOLLARS per day on futbol para todos....money that could be better spent on education. Oh wait...don't want the peasants learning anything or how to actually think for themselves. Everything they need to know she will tell them.
May 24th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Pizza is famous in Argentina but not for the taste.
May 24th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/05/21/narco-pizzeria-that-sold-drugs-busted-in-argentina/
On the drug menu, an empanada, a type of meat-filled pastry or pie, named after Fonzi, cost 50 pesos ($6) while the “special” mozzarella pizza served up with three small bags of drugs cost 100 pesos ($12)
@99 Jack B
May 25th, 2014 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“@81 Ilsen....racked my brain for a phrase which translates “coup d'etat' into English...consulted the internet, dictionaries, and zero....seems that it's the same as in French, ”coup”....”
Yup, that is exactly my point. Both in French and Spanish they both mean something along the line of a 'blow' or 'strike' against the State.
I am curious to know why this phrase does not exist amongst the English-speaking Peoples.
It has been a long time since they felt the need to violently attck their own elected officials, if ever.
I would postulate is because within those, (English-speaking,) cultures the State is seen as a Servant of the People, not vice-versa?
For those who don't get it yet.
This can also be applied to the Military. It is utterly incomprehensible in the UK or Canada, (for example), that the Military would ever rise against the Government, as the Goverment is an extension of the Will of the People.
In Europe/The West the Military is NOT a political force. It is considered to be just another arm of the Government/People.
Like the NHS etc.
I hope that helps!
I agree ilsen...the Queen is the embodiment of the people...and when the government (Prime Minister) bows to the Queen, he is bowing to the people. Guess that is why I am a monarchist. Its so simple.
May 25th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ilsen@102...“It has been a long time since they felt the need to violently attck their own elected officials, if ever”“......that would be just about it.
May 25th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0””I would postulate is because within those, (English-speaking,) cultures the State is seen as a Servant of the People, not vice-versa?“”......as you subtly put it, “For those who don't get it yet”.....best not go into who “those” might be, o'wise will be opening a can of worms...
Thanks guys.
May 25th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 “My little mention of pickles seems to have really started something!!”
May 26th, 2014 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I thought it was me @30. ;-)
You are right...I just picked up on it.
May 26th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0No problem. :-)
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