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Argentina questions UPM-Botnia's political influence on Uruguayan government
Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman said that the pulp mill dispute with Uruguay is 'political' and wondered how great is Finland's' Botnia-UPM influence in the country, but at the same time underlined that all chances of dialogue have been 'exhausted'. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Finnish are speaking to another sovereign state, they do not need to consult you before they do so, neither does Uruguay. WTF do you think you are?
Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay is a sovereign nation. It will do whatever it wants to do and doesn't need Argentina's permission or blessing.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's time South America woke up to the fact that Argentina is a paper tiger. It is militarily weak, morally bankrupt, and is all noise and no trousers.
Uruguay just tell them to foxtrot oscar. Refuse to discuss ANYTHING with them unless they honour the treaty to dredge the channels in the River Plate. In fact, you could threaten them by stating that UNLESS Argentina plays ball, then Uruguay will PUBLICALLY state it's unequivical support for the Falkland Islanders, and recognise them as a completely legitimate British Overseas Territory - which we know that you already do.
But if you shout it out loud, it will put paid to the Argentine myth about everyone supporting them.
That might just be enough to make them capitulate, because at the end of the day Argentina hasn't got the guts for a real fight.
A few minutes are all it takes to research the many occasions that argieland ignores or misuses its treaties with Urineguay relating to the rivers at the border. Typical argie lies and misrepresentation.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Timerman added that Argentina has no problems with Uruguay,”
Jun 17th, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THEN
“and anticipated it would take the case again to the International Court of The Hague, plus 'reassess' all bilateral relations at all levels.”
Gollum has no problems with Uruguay, yet the ICJ beckons?
Gollum has major problems with the UK, yet the silence is deafening over an ICJ bid over the Falklands, which seems according to Argentina a bigger problem to them than the pulp mill?
Clowns.
As Pepe himself said, the Finish company applies far higher environmental standards in their plants than are applied in any of Argentina's ageing plants.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Jun 17th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British hypocracy (I forget how redundant that phrase is)... sorry, the Great Hypocrites, reach yet NEW levels of dishonesty and double standards. It is truly appalling.
Isn't it the British bewailing and lambasting Argentina's actions in ITS OWN waters, the fishing practices for example, because it COULD affect the Falklanders that are in many cases hundreds, even thousands of miles away from the scene of the “crime”?
Yet here another country takes actions that directly affect the neighbor, where waters are also involved, and here the British shout lungs dialed at full power, that it is Uruguayan territory and they can do what they want.
So in short, if any of Argentina's neighbors do anything that may affect Argentina, even when its inches away from ARG soil, argies need to shut up.
If Argentina does anything that may affect its neighbors, even if the activity is hundreds of miles away (i.e. fishing in the Argentine Sea, building a nuclear plant deep in northern ARG well removed from the Paraguay/Brazilian border), we need to sit down with the Falklanders and the others, and let our neighbors and the Falklanders/British dictate our internal decision.
The double-standard is so blatant it has only one explanation and its called argie-hatred.
@5
Actually they have been proven to be liars, the Finish company. They pollute far more than they admitted.
I'm an Uruguayan, ashamed of the lack of dignity of the government of my country.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just want to say I'm tired of Argentine endless hipocrisy and lies (as almost every Uruguayan), and I positively support Islanders in everything they want regarding their status. They deserve it, they fight (and suffer a lot) for it.
Hopefully they'll manage their way to strongly put their voice, for the first time, on the map of other south american countries.
Don't forget that nobody wants Argentina because of their proved vileness and glaring animosity against all of their neighbours.
Only people does not know, yet, the voice of the Islanders.
@7
Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, nice to know there are Falklands friendly people in South America, their voices seem to be drowned out too often by the many fascists down there.
What a shock the hypocrites aren't even touching my response. Can't paint over the truth.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay is dealing with Finland, one of the least corrupt countries on the palnet. Argentina has a lot, a LOT to learn us here. Try reading about the elague of nations handling of the sovereignty of Ahvenanmaa, for example, and see how diplomacy will always get your further than bullying tactics, and that was over 90 years ago. That's how far behind the Argies are in their diplomatic skills: so out of date the treaty of Versailles is looking like “recent news”.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will not do diplomacy ever again. And if things get rough in Argentina, expect an even more belligerent government down the line.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Diplomacy is also the UK never tries. Look at Iraq.
Tobias I'll respond to you.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is full of hypocrites, but you already know this. You are also a hypocrite too, and a liar.
I know this because you once publicly stated on this forum that you would NEVER comment on anything to with the Falklands again, yet you broke your word within 10 minutes of writing the statement.
Argentina doesn't treat those it claims are its friends well at all. They will never get any respect from anyone else because you haven't earned it. You are under the delusion that respect from others is your God given right.
As for Argentina will not do diplomacy ever again, I ask you, just when has Argentina done diplomacy?
Argentina doesn't understand the meaning of the word diplomacy, Argentina just demands and expects everyone to roll over for them. Of course, no one rolls over for you, which is why you have such animosity towards everyone else.
You have to give respect to get respect, and Argentina respects no one, not even itself.
Argentina signed treaties with Uruguay and has constantly refused to live up to your end of the agreement. That makes Argentina a liar and dishonest. And you know this Tobias, and you are filled with self loathing because you know that your country is like this, but instead of trying to make your country a better place you find it easier to wallow in your own misery and filth and blame everyone else.
It's time to open your eyes to the truth and stop burying your heads in the sand and hoping that it will all just 'go away'.
Don’t you just love the stupid, stupid, argies approach to everything: WE are the only law in SA?
Jun 17th, 2014 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The facts are of course that the mill was proven to be the cleanest in the world the last time the argie twats took Uruguay to the ICJ and how is it that they will NOT disclose the pollution of their river on the opposite bank to the pulp mill?
I bet we all suspect we know the answer to that one.
@7 Candalone
Jun 17th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make haste slowly perhaps?
1. Allow Falklands vessels to use Uruguayan ports
2. A weekly air service between Montevideo and the Falklands.as you know LAN already runs such a service from Chile which even has a stop once a month in Argentina.
WARNING,,WARNING, WARNING , WARNING,
Jun 17th, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all chances of dialogue have been 'exhausted'.
Says Argentina,?????????
Remember if Argentina cant take what it wants by talking,
then invasion becomes an option,
WARNING WARNING
you have been warned, CFK is on the lookout to Expand argentine territory..
@6 Back again, pillock brain. Don't you ever learn? Of course you don't. You use the word “Hypocrites” after referring to “hypocracy”. Ever considered there might be some connection between the two words? Or some similarity in spelling? Write out “I am a total uneducated prat” 10,000 times.
Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't noticed Britain “bewailing and lambasting Argentina's actions in ITS OWN waters”. Pointing out that irresponsible use of living resources is a different matter. Ever wondered why Spanish fishing boats sail all the way to the South Atlantic? Because they've overfished their own.
But, anyway, you need to comply with your own treaties. How about dredging the channel on the Uruguayan side of the River Plate? You were supposed to have done that over 10 years ago.
Last time you lot whinged about pollution, it was proved that what there was came from your town of Gualeguaychú. In other words, you lot LIED for 5 years. Just as you always do. It's YOU that has double standards. There's the truth and then there's what argieland says.
@11 Did you just make a joke? “Argentina will not do diplomacy ever again.” Argie “diplomacy” always starts with the words “We demand”. That's not diplomacy. That's the beginning of a threat. As you yourself prove. Because you immediately make one.
And the UK does do diplomacy. Look at 1982. We spent all that time sailing down to the South Atlantic during which you could have (a) complied with the UN and pulled out or (b) surrendered. Then we kicked your sorry little arses. Then we let you surrender. We should have continued. Should have sailed over to Mar del Plata and destroyed the argie navy and then continued upriver to bombard that blot on the planet called Buenos Aires. Your sort of “diplomacy”.
is out of office
Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone quote chapter and verse on ANY treaty or agreement that Argentina has NOT reneged on?
Jun 18th, 2014 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0important Finnish minister, you don't read that line very much! Timmy get a grip man.
Jun 18th, 2014 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 18 redp0ll
Jun 18th, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My money would have been you!
But do you really think that this bunch of commie bastards we laughingly call our government are going to move 1 mm on the Falklands and allow FI shipping into MVD: of course not.
Perhaps Vasquez might be different but I am keeping my fingers crossed.
No Chris, I think Almagro will take a harder line. Uruguayans are fed up with Argentina and some are beginning to lose their Jobs.
Jun 18th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they dont stand up to Argentina this time they will probably lose the election.
Quite off topic but what a match! The best I have watched so far in the WC.
Well played Oz. Bad luck but you really pushed the Dutchmen and yourselves to the limit.
@14 redp0ll
Jun 18th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but I'm not sure if I understood your real intentions when you said “Make haste slowly perhaps?” (lost in translation, maybe?). Obviously I agree with both of your points, and I'm very angry and surprised with some decissions. More than that, I would like to see my country giving an official recognition to the desires of Falkland people. But it's impossible with this government.
Years ago Uruguay and Falklands use to have a friendly relationship. I hope to see that again, but improved. And I hope you can find the ways to do the same with others.
My point is, and I'm afraid you are unable to understand it as long as you love to battle and lose your time with f*c**ng argie idiots in forums like this, that Islanders does not see the importance of making their voice heard in South America. Their voice, their desires, their opinions are ignored outside the islands, no matter the referendum.
Yes, yes, yes. I know. I know you can do it all by yourself, that you don't need nothing else, and the future seems bright. That's true. I recognize that. I admire that. You've already demonstrated that you can do it alone, even with evil and disgusting enemies near your coasts.
But it would be better (for all, not just for Islanders) that they consider (and I mean: consider for real) the benefits of taking advantages of a normal relationship with other countries. In a sense, argies are your best allies. Think of that.
I'm not the only one here to understand your anger and deceit (Well, “understand” is a big word. Let's say “share”, “feel simpathy with your desires”, etc.). The ignorance is great on Falkland, but the land is fertile in neighbouring countries of Argentina.
But it's not a one way path.
@ 22 candalone
Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am confused by this post. You seem to be unaware of the contact between the Islanders and some of the institutions of Uruguay: the Veterinary Institute for one, which I know of personally and there have been a number of others.
Chile is also well in with the Islands and have been for some time. TMBOA is always threatening to take away flyover rights for the aircraft that service the Islands, how do you think that should be tackled?
The problem is the bunch of dead-headed commie bastards (mainly the Tupas) we have as a “government”: they block the reporting of these initiatives. I got chucked off the government blog site which “encourages” comment on their “initiatives”, but when you do constructively criticise it AND offer solutions they crap themselves.
That’s the problem.
@22 Festina lente was the original Latin adage.
Jun 19th, 2014 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you have a good hand you dont show all your cards at once
In view of the continuous harassment by Argentina we have some pretty good cards up our sleeve if we have the will to play them.
@23 ChrisR
Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24 redpoll
I apologize for my last post because it was a little bit confusing (to say the least!). I'm aware of some contacts between Islanders and the continent.
What I was trying to say was simply that there is a lot of ignorance about Falkland issues, but at the same time we have fertile soil to work with.
ChrisR: I agree with you. The problem is the “government”.
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