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Ambassador Castro on an official visit to Ulster; McGuinness said he supports “Argentina” in the Cup

Thursday, June 19th 2014 - 01:43 UTC
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The Argentine Ambassador to the United Kingdom, Alicia Castro made an official visit to Northern Ireland where she was received by Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness. They agreed on stressing the importance of dialogue and called for ties between both parties to be strengthened. Read full article

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  • HansNiesund

    Isn't he fickle, though? There on the 4th June, Martin Mcguiness was supporting Holland (and despite their orange shirts)

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27703748

    Meanwhile, not a mention anywhere but the Argentine press release of support for Argentine sovereignity in the Falklands. Although it wouldn't be surprising.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    The “Red Head of Ulster”

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    One terrorist to another ?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RMB-FLK

    “our country is home to the largest community of Irish descendents in Latin America”

    Dreadful! An admission of the Argentine “people” having been implanted!!!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Wolfe tones MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODOJmku0fzw

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    4

    Yawn,

    Another bunch of mindless Brit-haters, living another myth.

    BTW,
    you seem to be short on material - how many times have you trotted out that tired old number?
    Are you in your cups again?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Watch he don't strap you into a car bomb Castro!!!!

    Martin McGuinness 'ordered human bombs'

    In one, Londonderry man Patsy Gillespie, a Catholic who worked as a cook in the Army’s Fort George base, was ordered to drive a bomb to a border checkpoint while his family was held hostage.

    Gillespie and five soldiers were killed in the explosion, and the IRA tactic caused massive public revulsion.
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/martin-mcguinness-ordered-human-bombs-28742180.html

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr. Jeorbbels

    Birds of a feather flock together! They are well paired prat and twat!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    McGuinness tells anyone what they want to hear, so long as he keeps his nice well paid life. Isn't it odd that they both hate the UK but are quite happy living here.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    She could not get in to see his holiness, so she does a deal with the devil instead.

    Classic!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    1 Hans you beat me too it:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27703748

    Makes one wonder if anything he was quoted as saying was at all accurate.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcos old chap- do please find us a statement on this topic made in Public by Mr McGuinness himself please.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Evil Colonialist Pirate

    So a terrorist group supports Argentina over the Falklands does it? Nothing to be proud of really. Next they'll be saying that they are supported by Al Qaeda or Boko Haram. Still, ever since they honoured the 1966 hijackers, we know they like terrorists...

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    “according to Argentine Embassy release” ...that sums it up !

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • falklandlad

    A couple of cuties, if it were not for their respective backgrounds. They deserve each other.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    Perhaps she is getting some torture tips to take back home..........from what I remember drilling kneecaps was a favourite with McGuiness

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @5 Difficult to see the relevance. Being a coward, a liar, treacherous and Irish, I can see the connection with argieland. However, Tone was dead (19 November 1798) long before anything remotely like argieland existed. Hundreds of years of association have satisfactorily shown that many Micks are pretty stupid. The “song” adequately demonstrates this. I am frankly amazed that this particular bunch of Paddys didn't accuse the English of seizing and occupying the Moon. However, argie and Irish intelligence levels are quite similar. The Irish, of course, have just enough intelligence to understand that the UK could wipe them out in about an hour. Argies “think” that 8,000 miles make a difference. Not anymore. The fleet subs advance to a range of 1,000 miles. The “bombers” (what the Yanks call boomers) sail to a range of 7,000 miles.

    And isn't she a dumpy little squat? And fat. Now that she's learned to eat proper food, she may never want to return to faggotland.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    @17
    Top of the morning to you,racista pelotudo

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    What an ugly woman, and his smile looks more like a rictus grimace. What a pair of donks!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    They all hate us-until they need us,

    full stop..

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    21- Ironic. During ww2 Argentina sent needed food supplies to Britain, Irish men joined the allies and the Irish govt sent needed fire engines to help when Belfast was bombed.

    The ventures in Ireland and the south Atlantic have gone rathar awry old bean.
    G.Britain now funds and builds a financial black hole known as N.Ireland, a place where less than half the population identify exclusively as 'British'. Where you better be careful addressing the OTHER half as British and where the people who bombed London now share control.

    (Protestant - X, profit bearing - X, strategically important - X)
    (Sectarian - Check, expensive - Check, strategic weakness - Check)

    Little room to politically maneuver in that place. On a positive note in a few decades it should be in good repair to hand over to the new demographic.

    Which is what consistent polls show the people of G.B to want - NI out of the union.
    What a mess.

    Bit short on time, but likewise, what has the falklands adventure rendered the G.B public ?? (again the initiators)
    Allies ?? (negative return) Markets (negative return) ?? Wealth ?? (negative return)

    Looks like another loss making venture.

    I hear theres a place called the asbestos isles somewhere out there in one of the oceans.
    So get the flag. And a few traffic cones. Its time for democracy.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #22

    Indeed. The Falkland Islands, and Northern Ireland are, today, effectively “loss making” ventures.

    This just highlights that current UK domestic and foreign policy is not always guided by purely financial concerns but often revolves around doing the right thing and honouring our commitments. For example, not letting a bunch of would-be imperialist thugs annex and destroy a small island community under the flimsy pretext that it might have been stolen from their predecessors almost 200 years ago.

    Remind me, who declared war on who in 1914 and 1939? The UK declared war on Germany and her allies in both, not the other way round. In 1939 this was, in the first instance, to honour its commitments to Belgium in 1914 and much of Europe in 1939.

    Argentina sold us food, thanks. Most of the Irish who fought in WWII likely didn't fight for Britain but fought against the Axis.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #22
    “Which is what consistent polls show the people of G.B to want - NI out of the union”.
    And what polls are these ? A Vestige poll ? The same as Hepatia's 25 years ?
    All that has been said is that N. Ireland COULD join with the Republic IF they wanted to.

    Falkland's adventure. To listen to you it only happened a few years ago !
    Your English is faulty. It was NO adventure. It was claiming an uninhabited group of islands belonging to nobody at that time, until an upstart load of ex Spaniards tried to steal it as they have been trying to do ever since..

    If the UK wants to “subsidise” parts of it's geographical population then that's the way democracy works.

    Has Argentina a better model ? Well if you call getting International loans and refusing to pay them back, I suppose your country would say YES PLEASE.
    The rest of us would say that you were unprincipled crooks !

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @22 Vestige

    Just out of interest, what would have been your preferred solution to N.I, old bean?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mr Ed

    'preferred solution to N.I, '

    How about expelling England from the UK, leaving Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the UK with no common land borders? It would be fun to see Mr Salmond's face as his country becomes the largest chunk of the UK.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #26
    Be careful what wish for !!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    He forgets-
    to shrug of the union jack, for an independent irish flag is great- if that was the real cause,

    but somehow joining a blue flag with stars, having your accounts seen to by Germany,
    if that's independence then im with the union jack.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @ Vestige
    Just because some people consider themselves N.Irish first and British second doesn't mean they are any more likely to vote for a UI so your selective quoting of the data hides the reality which is that only 4% of people in N.Ireland want a United Ireland now, in fact 3.8% to be precise. Asked if they want one in 20 years time only a fifth say yes (a third if you exclude the don't knows). Given that NI is already at religious parity, should the figure not be close to 50% for those who want a UI now? Only 47% away.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    @Redrow
    Id say that if asked whether or not some earth shaking change should take place in peoples lives tomorrow, one which may .... or may not .... bring about civil war, 4% of people responding yes would be quite a worryingly high number to get back.

    Heres one for you, along the same lines.

    Would you prefer for yourself and all other citizens to pay 95% less tax from tomorrow Redrow.

    If you answered 'no' I guess that means you actually WANT to pay tax.

    Of course you will get some who will say 'yeah fk the communist overthrow and bloodbath that will follow' .... and they'll probably number about 4%

    Your stat is bogus and deceptive.

    Consistent official election results are a much better indicator for me.

    How bout you ?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Northern_Ireland_election_seats_1997-2010.svg

    That green blob bit is Sinn Fein, you know Gerry Adams, Ira and all that
    ...... 4% indeed :)

    Anyway, as you say 'religious parity' is occurring.
    And thats pretty much the antithesis of what N.Ireland was ever supposed to be.

    You may as well have a 50% capitalist N.Korea.
    Mission fail.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @30

    What a shame Gerry, Martin et al preferred bombing to fucking.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “Which is what consistent polls show the people of G.B to want - NI out of the union. ”

    Really?

    Consistent polls?

    Of the whole of Great Britain?

    Oh no Vestige. Not AGAIN.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @31 Unfortunately for them some of the f***ing was done by the SAS! Still...hopefully it's in the past - no-one was a winner in the final analysis.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • puerto argentino

    Thanks “McGuinness, for your support ” Argentina’s legitimate rights over the Malvinas Islands”. Good on you!!!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    I dunno Hans, it did get them basic civil rights, how many Bombay streets must have been avoided.

    Whats it this time Anglo, still looking for that crumb ??

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    PuertoArgentino- sorry to spoil it for you but that claim is just the usual Argentine Fantasy! Marcos cannot back it up - scan the BBC and other NI and UYK sites and NO mention either!
    So sorry for you.

    You will find it is similar to the international meetings that Arg Govt attend - they claim support for the legitimate rights etc etc - read the actual real version of what was said - all other countries do is call for a negotiated settlement!!
    Pretty neutral!

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Vestige

    “Whats it this time Anglo, still looking for that crumb ??”

    Why would I be looking for your brain?

    You are the boy who cries wolf. You claim so much but can't ever seem to back it up.

    I'll await your links to your claim. If you can't provide them then there's nothing more to say.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/British_Social_Attitudes_Northern_Ireland.png/750px-British_Social_Attitudes_Northern_Ireland.png

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/British_Social_Attitudes_Northern_Ireland.png/750px-British_Social_Attitudes_Northern_Ireland.png

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @35

    What they got fell well short of their original aim, and came about 30 years later than it would have, were it not for the heroic armed struggle against inter alia Remembrance Day parades, Pakistani news agents, and Saturday afternoon shoppers.

    But I guess life's a lot simpler once you've grasped the idea that people don't count.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Vestige

    I am starting to worry that you are simple and I’m being mean when I reply as you probably think your opinions are really well formed and backed up.

    So if you are a little simple, then accept my apologies and don’t read further. If you aren’t, then here we go AGAIN!

    Your claim:
    “Which is what consistent polls show the people of G.B to want - NI out of the union.”

    Wow! Another Wikipedia graph.

    But what did the graph show? That in 2000 after the Good Friday Agreement there had been a consistent INCREASE in support for NI to remain part of the UK.

    In 2003 – 55% of Britons thought NI should united with RI with a CONSISTENT drop after that.

    I went to the source material:
    http://discover.ukdataservice.ac.uk/series/?sn=200006

    Here are few facts.

    In 2012, 64% of Northern Irish supported staying part of the UK and only 15.5% wanted reunification with the Republic.

    In 2012, 66% of Northern Irish said the NI would be very or quite unlikely to be part of the RI.

    In 2012, 76.5% think the monarchy is very important or important to the UK. Only 5.3% think it should be abolished (that one was gratuitous because of your republican wet dreams).

    As for your Youtube clip? Did you listen to it? It stated that “54% of the population found a united Ireland acceptable”. How people go from finding something ACCEPTABLE to your wanting NI out of the union is as usually only explained by the voices in your head.

    You seem to have great difficulty with the English language. Just because people support the idea of, or find acceptable, a United Ireland, does not equate to the wanting NI out of the union.

    So your ‘proof’ did not show that Britons want NI out of the union. Just that they would accept a United Ireland.

    Your homework is to look up the definition of ‘contextomy’.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #40
    Well put ! I was producing what turned out to be a monumental rebuttal of his biased simplistic points and ran out of space when I was only half way there. I gave up and wiped it off. It only encourages him to go off on another tangent and more whataboutery.

    It's amazing the people who are experts on the N.I./Republic situation at long range without having spoken to the peoples involved.....now who am I thinking of ?

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I can't help it Clyde.

    It's just too much fun. He keeps trying and failing.

    He's like a little kid learning to ride a bike and I keep pushing him off.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @ Vestige

    Yes 3.8% - here is the link which contains a link to the full poll
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/poll-just-38-want-a-united-ireland-29584149.html
    What is particularly interesting is that 42% of Catholics who expressed a preference opposed a UI either now OR in 20-years and less than 20% of them wanted it now. So it will take more than demographic change to remove the border. Gerry Adams predicted a UI by 2016, he's got 2 years left. He should have taken a leaf out of Timerman's book and gone for a rolling 25-year prediction.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    43 - ill get to you.

    40 - Long post but I see little substance.

    Beginning: Ad-Hominem. (again) Yawn.

    Next up: The graph is indeed on wikimedia, among other sites, its source is ... oh yeah, the British social attitudes survey, the same source you go on to link to.

    GFA took place in 1998. For the two years following there is in fact increased GB support for united Ireland.

    Saying that there is a consistent downward trend from 2000 onward is mostly true, although its not contiguous, theres a reverse in numbers for 2002-2003.

    In any case from 2000 onward to the end of this graph support for a united Ireland remains as the majority preference for the people of GB in all but 1 years.

    (incidentally the year that Ireland enters major recession, indicating a well reasoned/thought out/informed survey)

    There is indeed a consistent drop after 2003 and an overall downward trend, however for 19 of the 20 years examined there was majority support in GB for a united Ireland.

    15 of those same years had the support of more than 1 in 2 Britons.
    With the 'dont knows' at times almost equaling the 'remain within UK' preference.

    Your 2012 fact, although interesting, is for a different topic. You have moved from the preferences of the people of GB to the preferences of the people of NI.

    (pls provide better link)

    This after questioning my statement on the preferences of GB.
    Why not stay on topic.

    Next you move to the subject of the monarchy, another change of topic.
    (Incidentally I have little issue with the monarchy within Britain)

    Youtube clip: A 'united Ireland' and the alternative 'northern Ireland within the union' is kind of a mutually exclusive situation.

    While in academic terms there is the likes of a federation or other unknown alternative setup I think its safe to say that it was a 'NI in or out of the union' question in this case.

    That aside you can refer to the first graph by itself as evidence.

    Don't be shocked that Britons have this opinion.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • Redrow

    @44
    Half of Britain votes left of centre - for parties that traditionally supported a UI, (though Labour has softened its position considerably from its pro-UI position in the 80s to its current GFA-consent position).
    Half of Britain votes right of centre - for parties that are generally pro-Union but who want to transfer less wealth from rich areas to poor areas and who reckon the Tories would get in more often if Scotland and NI left Westminster. Therefore it is little surprise that more than half might state that view. However the 3 main parties support the GFA and will not be expelling NI any time soon, even if they wanted to which they can't. In reality, most people consider NI too small to worry about. Status quo.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Vestige

    “Long post but I see little substance”

    Of course you don’t. I keep trying to tell you that you are not as skillful as you think you are. The fact that I am about to teach you the meaning of two different logically fallacies means I am not surprised that you saw little substance in my post.

    I will assume that yawn was because you didn’t bother looking up the meaning of contextomy. Because you just repeated the exact logically fallacy AGAIN.

    I am not surprised considering you don’t know the meaning of ad hominem. Let’s use your favourite Wikipedia shall we.

    “An ad hominem… in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author …”

    “Abusive ad hominem usually involves attacking the traits of an opponent as a means to invalidate their arguments”

    So no it wasn’t an ad hominem. Because I effectively demolished yet ANOTHER one of your claims and arguments by resorting to facts, not because of who you are or represent. That was in addition to my argument.

    Contextomy “is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning. Contextomies are stereotypically intentional…”

    You keep claiming that support for a united Ireland proves that “consistent polls show the people of G.B to want - NI out of the union”.

    The proof you have offered does NOT prove nor support your claim.

    Support for a united Ireland DOES NOT equate to Britons wanting Northern Ireland out of the union.

    That is not the question in your proof.
    That is not the answer in your proof.
    That is just your inference based on nothing other than your own logic.

    You have not shown proof of your claim.

    You have not shown proof that Britons want Northern Ireland out of the union.
    You have shown proof that Britons support a united Ireland.

    For some unfathomably reason you think the two sentences above say the exact same thing.

    They don’t.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    “You have shown proof that Britons support a united Ireland”.

    Indeed. And a united Ireland necessitates N.I leaving the union.

    Or does it not ? Do tell.

    This is an intentionally simple poll. A spectrum with the neutral 'dont know' in the middle, and two opposing, mutually exclusive options at either end.

    Its black and white really. (ok ... with a little 'dont know' grey bit)

    One vote option is 'unify with the rest of Ireland'. Thats at one extreme.
    (obviously to do this requires leaving the union).

    The single opposing option given to the voter is that they prefer NI to 'remain in the UK'.

    Whats the effective polar opposite of 'remain in the UK' in this instance.
    Well that would be 'leave the UK'.

    Have you ever been told, or told someone that you do not prefer that they stay.
    Or told someone you'd prefer if they were some place else.

    Obviously they're not going to be in that other distant place without first leaving now are they.

    Its a politely worded survey, unfortunately that may challenge certain categories of people.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Verbacious Voice

    “You have not shown proof that Britons want Northern Ireland out of the union.
    You have shown proof that Britons support a united Ireland.”

    Just like the UK would like Scotland to remain, but support their decision to leave. if that's what they wish.

    Not to hard to fathom, for most people.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    McGuinness doesn't mention that in 1833 after the illegal UP militia sailed away, Onslow appointed William Dickson as the senior British resident. Dickson was from Dublin.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Contextomy Vestige contextomy.

    “And a united Ireland necessitates N.I leaving the union.”

    Agreed however. This does NOT support your claim that Britons want Northern Ireland out of the union.

    You keep trying to make one thing mean another.

    It doesn't matter how you keep trying to twist it, the facts your presented do NOT support your claim.

    You've back yourself into another corner.

    Do you get it yet?

    Britons support a united Ireland.
    Northern Ireland would have to leave the union to be part of a united Ireland.
    Britons want Northern Ireland to leave the union.

    Here's a simply analogy for a simply person.

    I want my team to win a game.
    Cheating will help my team win a game.
    Therefore I support cheating.

    I have made no such claim. That is a supposition.

    I could as easily claim that Britons support annexing the Republic of Ireland. That would mean a united Ireland with Northern Ireland still in the union.

    Unfortunately you cannot disagree with my claim without disagreeing with your own.

    You have failed again. Run along; until your next unsupported claim.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    The British public in general don't give a flying fcuk whether NI is in the Union or not...they have been nothing but trouble to the RUK...
    It's the people of NI that either support or don't support being in the Union...it used to be that the Protestants greatly outnumbered the Catholics and if the RUK (army) had pulled out there would have been a one sided bloodbath...
    The numbers are closer to balancing now and it may be that in the future there may be enough to force a referendum....
    Even then.... the RUK position will be...good riddance....
    No one cares what McGuinness 's opinions are or consider him to be a politician, he's a terrorist, nothing more.
    ....and worse...he's ginger....or was....

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Good thing you explained it to him.
    I'm sure he didn't understand.

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Anglo - Thank you for your “simply analogy for a simply person”.

    Unfortunately your last paragraph doesn't make sense, simply because the 2nd option in the survey was 'remain within the UK'.
    In your given scenario this would obviously be a redundant option, as it would never leave.

    Perhaps the answer is that the people in this survey want a united Ireland without NI ever leaving the union. Perhaps.

    I think 'The Voice' sums it up eloquently in his opening rant.

    Grammatical nuances and mere breadcrumbs aside, NI serves as an example of how outmoded, ill fitting and damaging the old system of sub-dividing or franchising out of government really is in the modern era.

    National level decisions shouldn't be left in the hands of the few, especially when theres obvious self interest involved.
    Thats the tail wagging the dog.

    Just as the very very very few in the S.Atlantic decide GB's future dealings with S.America.

    I wonder how the place would look if London had the only say.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    “National level decisions shouldn't be left in the hands of the few, especially when theres obvious self interest involved.”

    National level decisions are rarely left in the hands of the few. It just so happens that sometime the interests of the few coincide with wider national values, interests, and considerations, such as for example expelling invasion by a vicious military dictatorship, standing up to bullying by a corrupt 1930s style demagoguery, or closer to home resisting a tiny terrorist minority attempting to bomb a million citizens out of their own country and into another one.

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Nope Vestige

    You still don't get it. Hardly surprising.

    You have failed to back up your claim yet AGAIN.

    QED

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Vestige

    now who's dragging things out, reaching reaching reaching for the “crumb”

    Gawd yer boring.

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Don't give Think the time; he craves it almost as much as TTT.

    I have to say that TMBOA and TMBOI make a good pair in that photo. Maybe she's using her trips these days to find the best sanctuary for when the helicopter comes.

    CASADA ROSADA, TANGO 2
    TANGO 2, CASA ROSADA PASS YOUR MESSAGE
    CASADA ROSADA, INBOUND TO YOU FROM THE WEST, 2 POB
    TANGO 2 ROGER, QFE 998, REPORT FINALS
    (CALLS DOWNSTAIRS ON THE LANDLINE) LUIS, TELL THE CRAZY BITCH HER HELICOPTER IS HERE.
    CASADA ROSADA, TANGO 2, FINALS FOR ROOF TOP
    TANGO 2 CLEAR TO LAND, 120 10 KNOTS
    TANGO 2, LAND

    Then all they'll have to do is load about 25 suitcases and TMBOA on board and that's the last they ever see of her.

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    58
    Heh heh , Joe!

    CFK leaves Casa Rosada for the last time, promising Boudou she'll send the 'copter straight back, for him.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=+Gollywog&aq=f&oq=&aqi=p5-k0d0t0&fkt=2317&fsdt=383360&mshr=&csll=&action=&ltoken=b041648f&gws_rd=ssl#q=Vietnam+helicopter+Saigon+evacuation&facrc=_&imgrc=XsCGsirKXX2uxM%253A%3Bundefined%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fen%252F9%252F95%252FSaigon-hubert-van-es.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFall_of_Saigon%3B825%3B541

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    59 Troy

    LOL! Poor Amanda. Nobody takes him seriously.

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    Ireland > N.Ireland
    Spain > Gibraltar
    China > Taiwan
    Argentina > The Falklands

    actively seeking support from fellow expansionists...nothing new here.

    SELF-DETERMINATION rules!!

    Jun 21st, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @61

    You're being a bit unfair to the Irish Republic there. Ireland dropped its irredentist claim to the North from its Constitution as part of the Good Friday Agreement. Garrett Fitzgerald had previously declared a United Ireland wasn't worth a single death, a brave and decent statement for any Irish politician to make. Argentina has a lot to learn, as does Vestige.

    Jun 22nd, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Ah Hans, Theres always more to learn.

    Heres some interesting little bits.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Map_of_predominant_national_identity_in_the_2011_census_in_Northern_Ireland.png/1280px-Map_of_predominant_national_identity_in_the_2011_census_in_Northern_Ireland.png

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Map_of_predominant_national_identity_in_the_2011_census_in_Northern_Ireland.png/1280px-Map_of_predominant_national_identity_in_the_2011_census_in_Northern_Ireland.png

    “as of 2008 ... In total, the British government subvention totals £5,000m, or 20% of Northern Ireland's economic output.”

    (7 billion these days according to alliance party figures)

    Ive read that this subvention equates to over £4,000 for every person each year for those within NI.
    A kind contribution from the GB taxpayer to all of those people on the given map/link who dont even consider themselves British.

    Rounding the subvention down to 6 billion, and rounding the GB population to 60 million, you sir pay 100 pounds per year for the honor of having NI on your books.
    Given the political demographics (rough 60/40 political split)
    I'd estimate you, Hans, individually, pay approx 40 pounds per year to an Irish republican. We'll call him ....mmm .... Gerry.

    How nice of you.

    Im sure they've got something for you too.

    Jun 26th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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