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Argentine Navy receives refurbished TR1700 class submarine ARA San Juan

Thursday, June 19th 2014 - 02:43 UTC
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The Argentine Navy took re-delivery of TR-1700 class submarine ARA San Juan last month after the boat underwent a mid-life update (MLU) program at the Argentine Naval Industrial Complex CINAR. Read full article


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  • Troy Tempest

    Sounds like an expensive refurbishment.

    Can it be seized by creditors if it is in a foreign port?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Was it having a 'mid-life' crisis ??

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    How do you identify an Argentine sub?

    Simple, it's being towed by tugs!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr. Jeorbbels

    Why the hell does Argentina want some old subs in mid life crisis?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    It appear that Argentina is militarising the South Atlantic...

    I wonder if they'll take themselves to the UN to complain about themselves?

    On the other hand you have to feel really sorry for the Argentine sailors who will have to man these tubs. I mean it's been CUT IN HALF and then put back together. Would you trust Argentine workmanship with your life?

    Perhaps the UK should send HMS Astute to sail past them and show them what submarines should look like?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    A pressure vessel, welded back together.

    Hmm, not sure that would fill me with confidence!

    Seven years to refit a vessel manned by thirty men, I was going to comment on that being some kind of record, but then I remembered the ice breaker.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    They are do far behind it's laughable

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    And here was me thinking that Argiland was supposed to be dredging the river, did I get that wrong?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    It now includes the ARA Navy feature - roll over mode, exposing its bottom as an act of surrender.

    The Liberturd renains their only decent Naval ship and thats driven by sail!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    5 LEPRecon (#)

    It appear that Argentina is militarising the South Atlantic...

    I wonder if they'll take themselves to the UN to complain about themselves?

    Once again I've been beaten to it.
    Seriously though at the next C24 can the Falklands Islands representatives arrange to be the last speakers. Thus they can refute all the Argy lies, and of course point out Argyland is buying refurbished military aircraft as well.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Cut in half, then welded! Hmmmmmm,
    Hope for their sakes that their tradesmen are competent.
    Otherwise they might end up with two smaller submarines.
    And that could be embarrassing if they were at 1000 feet below!
    Or how ever deep they go.
    Then in the future they plan to cut it up again to fit an Argentine manufactured Nuclear Reactor!
    Cor strike a light, guv'nor. l wouldn't trust them to do the ironing.!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Now that they actually have a submarine that is capable of staying submerged for longer than the crew can hold their breath, the RN is going to have to concentrate around the areas where the oil rigs are going to drill their exploratory wells.

    This boat is bound to be used to snoop around them.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Papamoa

    The costs do not add up $12,500,000 to do all of the above refurbishing!! what were they paying the workers 35 cents an hour ? and the equipment was that bought from a scrap yard in Turkey ?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Submarines primary asset is their stealthiness. Hence why the Argies are so terrified of our ones.

    Of course the Argy Subs may well not be quite so stealthy, approaching the oil rigs. As they will be on the surface & towed by a few tugs.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    They're better off looking for submerged German subs left in Mar de Plata after dropping off Nazis and their stolen gold. Being German they should be more reliable

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    “...and on the left you can see the belgrano, the right our type 42 that sank in port, and in the future, straight ahead, the rest of the navy. At last we can have a decent view of it all without CFK getting wet and meltingggg....meltingggg,,,,”.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Maybe they're going to go looking for the Santé Fe, sunk in 1982.
    S'pose they might refurbish that one too.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    ARA San Juan. 80s technology. In other words, it's at least 30 years out of date. Bet the “crew” all get cork-filled jackets in the hope they'll be able to hold it up. One missile through the fin and it's dead meat. But it is amongst the fastest diesel-electric submarines. Perfect for argies who are best at running! And Wow, argieland has THREE submarines. The Royal Navy has 7/8. All nuclear-powered. The equivalent of 30 argie subs.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    In six years we have had more plumbers working in our house than you can shake a stick at. And once again things are leaking. It never ends. The only thing that is not leaking is the new bathroom sink that we installed ourselves. So, I don't hold out much hope for this tin can they are going to put people into.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    #18 I just checked, the biggest expense of the refurbishment was installing a high speed reverse propulsion so they can retreat at greater speed.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha , ho ho ho ho , hee hee hee

    one word, one aim , one target destination,
    [ ASTUTE ] and its British..

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz


    Seriously I admire the courage of any sailor who steps on a rust bucket like that.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • knarfw

    Their Navy is back to front, vessels that are meant to float, sink, and vessels that are meant to sink, float.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    So, the Argentine navy has ambitions to go nuclear. What about calling their next (permanently submersible) “Hypocrisy”.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Guys and gal.

    I am working today and so canot keep up with everything but THANKS for the chuckles, screams of laughter and PMSL due to all that you have all come up with.

    Reality check: you should seriously think about writing comedy!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The Astutes – world-beaters?
    Despite the problems, by all accounts the Astute class submarines will be the best SSNs in the world (only the US Virginia Class may be able to match them). HMS Astute has recently conducted deep-water trials off the US coast including successfully firing a Tomahawk missile.
    She has TV and digital cameras that can pop up, very quickly sweep round and then the command can review the images at leisure. With the Type 2076 sonar array and even quieter running than the Trafalgars, Astute’s ability to detect others while remaining undetected herself is exceptional. She also has more space to carry weapons, up to 38 Tomahawk missile and/or torpedos
    A smaller crew, reducing running costs. the RN submarine force will be a very few top-quality eggs in a few very expensive baskets. Nevertheless, if you are a terrorist in a training camp or a hostile warship or submarine commander, the Astute submarine-equipped Royal Navy will be causing you sleepless nights

    Royal Navy's largest warship nears completion
    HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier –
    In her battleship grey mode.
    looks great.


    Jun 19th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    Well!! well!! and where are the Astute Subs when the Iraqui people need them more!!! WHERE???. Where is the Mighty Royal Navy?? There is a country called Iraq that your ex prime minister invided which is now being over run by Ismalist killing,raping,massacres..WHERE IS THE MIGHTY NAVY?? when the people of Iraq need it most. A conflict started by Mr Blair who was too quick to help the other preident of the USA but astute royal aircraft carriers..NO NOTHING!!! WHY HAVE SUCH EXPENSIVE TOYS WHEN THE bRITISH COMMAND ARE SCARED SHITLESS IN GETTING INVOLVED..UMMMMMM

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    27 Spanish Sunni

    Are we to understand then that you truly believe what is happening there is wrong morally and the British SHOULD stop it?

    Is that your belief?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    **28 well you started it...FINISH IT!! ummmmmm

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    That's no answer. You have copped out.

    Iraq legit government vs insurgents - what do you think about this?

    Do you think, or just follow instructions?
    How do you sleep?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @29 Spanishsunshine,
    What would you have our Navy do in a desert, you cretin?
    Think submarines might find it a bit hard to operate, wouldn't you say?
    l guess that Torpedo Boats could use the rivers.
    Not many targets though.
    Do you think before you type?

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Where are the 1st tier Trolls ??!

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *31 what would our navy do in a desert?

    You have answered the question!! How useless the subs,carriers and
    everything else related to navy goes......THEY ARE A WASTE OF
    What is more dangerous!! is people think that the enemy is on the
    other side of the world!! NO!! THE ENEMY IS WITHIN!! Remember
    the case with Lee Rigby.He wasn´t killed thousands of miles away
    from home..HE WAS KILLED AT HOME by the same religious freaks
    who are overtaking Iraq at this precise moment and you know what
    SIDE (islamists side)..lot of good the Navy is going to do in the future.....

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    SIDE (islamists side)... ”

    How would you know, Sunni?

    And why does it please you??

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee


    Jun 19th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    What papers??

    The “La Campora Daily Grumble”??

    The Guardian, perhaps??

    RT News?

    National Enquirer?

    The “Malvinas Mumbler”??

    Please, back up your wild and wishful musings...

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The idea of desert dwellers being afraid of UK subs in not a fanciful one at all.

    They have plenty of missile ability which travel hundreds of miles from launch.

    Just think about that and look at a map of where the ragheads “dwell”.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    ...and “why are you pleased?”

    you have yet to answer.

    Jun 19th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    You are wasting your time with that Troll

    Oops ! Wrong ID

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Bollocks as usual ! The idea of strike subs. and carriers is to keep the insurgents on the other side of the world by attacking their training bases and infrastructure if need be.
    There are reckoned to be 200 people- (UK citizens of Pakistani ethnicity) - involved in the Syrian fighting. If, and when they return to the UK they can be picked up at immigration and charged under UK Law.

    However, there are other latent threats in S.America against the Falklands. It is better to be prepared for all eventualities.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The ARA Santa Cruz, a 66-meter submarine in active service in the Argentine navy, got stranded on Tuesday afternoon while towing boats were pulling it into the access channels to the port of Dock Sud. The sub was being taken to a repair shop.

    While 40 crew members were on board the submarine at the time of the incident, luckily no one was injured. Eventually a third boat had to be brought in to help the other two pull the submarine back into deep water. Infobae reports that two hours later, the ARA Santa Cruz became free. The hull was not damaged.

    The submarine was later dragged into the Argentine Navy’s workshop Tandanor where it will be repaired so it can join Argentina’s two other submarines, the ARA Salta and the ARA San Juan.

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I have been thinking about this “welded joint”.

    I think it's a cover for them fitting it with a big ZIP!

    Dead easy to evacuate from when it strikes the bottom and as for fitting the “nuclear” system it will be just the job.

    As long as someone doesn't open the zip when it's in dock otherwise they will have ANOTHER roll-over.


    Jun 20th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Desert, has nothing on these mean machines,

    Securing Britain's Future
    12 of the latest DLKS ,
    Powerful and unstoppable.

    aussiesunshinee is just jealous, and the envy shows,

    Jun 20th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Some good jokes on here, but all that insane screaming about Iraq on a thread about Argentine Naval (in)capability?

    Well really! Quite unnecessary.

    《shakes head and wanders off to water some plants》

    Jun 22nd, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yankee I am in Mar del Plata and saw their navy ships. My god!!!!! But seeing that sub in your post. Those sailors are more than brave to willingly put out on that heap of shit.

    Jun 22nd, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    You're a naval guy, tell us more about their state of disrepair.

    Is it obvious to the eye, from a distance ??

    Jun 22nd, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Actually I was Army SF.....but the three ships at Mar Del Plata are out rust buckets. 50s vintage at best. I've been to sea on many things and I would need to be ordered to put out on those rust buckets. They give s whole new meaning to PRIDE OF THE FLEET.
    It is truly amazing how the news is avoiding the pending default. When they do talk about it it is like they will pull something out of their hat again. Most know what is coming and have been preparing for some time......dollars stashed away.

    Jun 22nd, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    47 Poppy

    Their state of their navy an armed forces is a good indication they have no money.

    Money stashed - sounds like they know, but one cannot dwell constantly on your fate.

    Hopefully, they can identify the true authors of their demise.

    Jun 23rd, 2014 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy ask the trolls here what cuntlips did to the Columbus statue at Casa Rosada ....if they know being they live everywhere but in Argentina. They are without money......flat broke.

    Jun 23rd, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    49 Captain Poppy

    What a waste of time that would be, only Nostrils lives in Argentina, and he's not allowed to cross the road.

    El Diego
    Paul Cedron

    What happened to the statue of Chris Columbus at Casa Rosada??
    What did CFK do with it?
    Where did she take it?

    Nevermind, how would you know? :-)

    Not going to hold my breath on this one ...

    Jun 23rd, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    TMBOA is a classic example of the old saying......she cuts off her nose just to spite her face.

    Jun 23rd, 2014 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Cough hms astute vs the isle of skye :)

    Jun 23rd, 2014 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy I don't think the trolls come out to play much anymore. I will head over to Havana for a coffee and chat with Febrescio so he can practice his English. He is hoping to get out of Argentina.

    Jun 23rd, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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