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Falklands' lawmakers petitioners at the UN C24 Decolonization Committee
Argentina will be making its case claiming sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands before the UN Special Decolonization Committee, C24, on Thursday morning. Two petitioners will support his presentation: a descendent from Luis Vernet and Falklands born Alejandro/Alexander Betts. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat is the point in attending this talking shop? It has no powers and nobody respects the Decolonisation Committee and nobody takes any notice. And look at the cost for the Argentine taxpayer, the size of the delegation is out of all proportion to its usefulness.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did the British remove Vernet in 1833? Surely he'd left a couple of years earlier?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quick someone tell Timerman before he makes a fool of himself.
Betts and Vernet again I see.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dragged out for their annual five minutes of fame.
Time for the Island delegation to declare, that following the result of the referendum, the situation of the islanders status has been officially declared, that it is no longer a matter for the committee and that it is the last occasion they will be participating in the pro Argentine farce.
Then get up and leave the forum.
“Foreign minister Hector Timerman will ratify Argentina's full willingness to find a peaceful solution to the Islands sovereignty dispute”
Jun 26th, 2014 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a perfectly simple way to peacefully solve the dispute. The Argentine government and opposition announce they make no claims for sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and wish to be on good terms with the Islands' inhabitants. They can amend the constitution to include it if they want.
Follow this policy for a few years.
The only ones to think that there is a sovereignty dispute are the Argies, everyone else is quite happy to get on with life without the continual “ bollocks” voiced by Argentina.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina's full willingness to find a peaceful solution to the Islands sovereignty dispute”
Jun 26th, 2014 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really? So they're prepared to admit to the C24 that they've been lying all this time, and remove their fake claims to the Falklands and adjoining islands both at the UN and in their constitution? That's the only fair and peaceful way to resolve this.
“until he was removed when the British usurpation of the Falklands in 1833”.
You mean “recovery”. The UP colony attempted to usurp sovereignty from Britian. Britain recovered its territory in 1833 and invited the inhabitants to stay under their rule. A few *chose* to leave with the illegal military garrison.
How can they be allowed to address the C24 when they can't even get their facts straight? This dispute is entirely due to Argentina's refusal to stop lying about the Falklands. If they really wanted it to be resolved, they'd agree to stop lying and take it to the ICJ.
The *only* reason they won't is because they know they'd lose.
Vernet left the islands in 1831 voluntarily....leaving the British Matthew Brisbane as his appointed deputy.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Matthew Brisbane was murdered on the islands in 1833 (after the “usurption” by Riviero in a “defiant act against british colonialism”
Its all too confusing...LOL
So some guy from Hamburg, who voluntary left the islands in 1831, conclusively proves that a yet to be created Argentina has rights and ownership? Well I never!
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Expensive Hot Air from Lying Argentina.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let them waste their money & time.
Life goes on for us.
@3 Didn't I say this yesterday? Do the right thing, FIG. Expose argieland for the liar it is. http://www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf Then follow reality check's advice.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 About 100 years!
is it true the Argies have to pay their hotel bill up front in cash......
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Alex Betts ran away with an Argie and left his wife here looking after the rest of his children, now he thinks he should be respected? A traiter of the first degree.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0He sounds like a right scumbag....hope he at least pays alimony, although not in pesos
Odious Quisling!
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same points are made year in and year out. Why doesn't someone just record the proceedings from one year and play it back in subsequent years? It must be an incredibly tedious event to attend and I can only assume that the compensation is in its location. Who wouldn't like to visit NY at this time of year?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some say-British politicians should grow some balls ,
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0and tell C24 to get lost,
but we wont,
and they will carry on crapping shit on the decent people of the world who just want to live in peace.
“Foreign minister Hector Timerman will ratify Argentina's full willingness to find a peaceful solution to the Islands sovereignty dispute ......................”
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet the delegation includes:
“the governor from the province of Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands, Fabiana Ríos ........”
Only Argentina would claim it is ready to 'find a solution' on the one hand but turn up at the committee with the “Governor” of the territory that they are negotiating over! They are not interested in genuine negiotiations.
What a bunch of amateurs.
If luis Vernet was the Governor of the Falkland islands...why did Argentina send Esteban Mestevier to the islands as Governor in 1832?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is just pathetic, Argentina, please get a life !
Jun 26th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 12 Falkland Islands
Jun 26th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Alex Betts ran away with an Argie and left his wife here”
Please tell me it was a male argie!
Why?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Luis Vernet was removed by the british usurption of 1833, why is his name not on the list of those 55 souls leaving on the SS Sarandi on the 6th January, held in the Argentine National Archives?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect Mr Betts is about as popular on the Falklands as Vidkun Quissling is in Norway.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if the Vernet fellow will bring up the fact that his ancestor preferred British sovereignty over the Falklands.
Or that he applied to the British for permission to be there.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You learn something new every day, I never knew where the word quisling came from until I him up, thanks.
Gollum has been spotted cosying up to the Chinese….http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10924960/What-is-that-weird-Gollum-monster-photographed-in-the-Chinese-hills.html
Jun 26th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..and Mujica says Suarez is innocent! And, the C24 says that The Falklands are a colonial enclave and must be handed over to Argentina.
I say that the moon is definately made of cheese and Jimmy Saville is innocent! Its a crazy old world…
I feel sorry for the Islanders having to go through this every year. They've lived there longer than most Argentines have lived in Argentina, and yet they have to travel all over the world to justify their rights to live where they have always lived.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is really THEIR Islands, after all.
In the rest of the world, borders that were drawn, rightly or wrongly, since the 1830's have been accepted by everyone involved.
Suppose the German football team had held up a banner that said “Schlesien bist Deutsch!” at the World Cup. Imagine the uproar!!
And that was in 1945...
The annual charade at the C24 is just further evidence that the Argentine political class has no desire to “resolve” the entirely artificial “dispute” it has created. If that were the case, the very first step would be to petition the GA to remove the Falklands from the list of NSGTs, since as long as the islands remain on that list their right to self-determination is guaranteed. The second step would then be to take the “claim” to the ICJ. All the C24 can provide is a forum for stimulating and parading the national cult of vIctimhood, to no further purpose than that. It's no more than a form of masturbation, although it has to be said Argentina certainly has the team for the job.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is obvious to c24 the the Falklands is never going back so they open with Puerto Rico. Perhaps they did not see the results of the elections. When will they disband this sideshow or at least place adults in charge of it.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina tries to bolster its image at home and the world by using the Falklands as scapegoat for internal economic-debt troubles, and from Argentina's present government point of view, is an essential tool in the homeland propaganda machine.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Betts & Vernet, hummm
Jun 26th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just how much have they screwed the Argy taxpayer for?
And for how many years now?
Unlike the Argy Gov, they at least are getting something out of all this.
Well paid, all expenses paid, with Think’s tax Peso.
BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@29
Jun 26th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. But the Argentine rhetoric is too scary to ignore. That's why I feel so strongly about it.
Argentine leadership repeatedly keeps referring to the Islanders as “an illegal implanted population”, and that they have no rights to be there.
Those words in the past history have only been spoken by tyrants and dictators before they embarked on various campaigns of genocide and ethnic cleansing, to justify their horrible acts.
They should wear those little badges like the kids who work in McD's.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know? The ones with the gold stars on.
One for each year of loyal service.
Need a large badge though, with plenty of space, for next years star and all the following years.
Its the times of appeasement that we live in, to our eternal disaster
Jun 26th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if CFK and her co-horts were british, and the boot was on the other foot, they would be demanding this ends now, and complain and complain until the cows come home,
instead they do the shouting, and we, apparently sit back in astonishment and don't know how to counter them,
[ or so it seems ]
lol
@33
Jun 26th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Appeasement indeed. If any other normal country would hurl this kind of rhetoric against a neighboring region, imagine the uproar.
They're whipping their own people up in frenzy to rid the islands of anything British, including the people.
Just like Hitler and Stalin did.
No laughing matter, really...
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2014/gacol3271.doc.htm
Jun 26th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice summary of the islanders position. The Vernet bit is laughable - if my great great grandfather had lived somewhere for 2 years and then chosen to leave it would look a bit weird for me to say my heart was still there. And as for Betts - it's one thing to prefer Argentina but to denigrate your own people like that is hardly admirable by anyone's standards.
If there was a displaced native population living in refugee camps in Argentina, this would be a different story.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But there isn't. The islands were unpopulated when the Europeans landed there. You could argue whether European A or B lived there for year or two before the other, but that should be utterly irrelevant today 200 years later.
Argentina didn't even exist as a country back then.
Since 1833 two world wars and countless regional wars have been fought across the world. They resulted in millions of people being displaced, millions of square miles forcibly changing ownership, and yet today those borders are respected.
I don't understand why Argentina doesn't realize just how scary and horrible their logic and reasoning is.
'Timerman on Malvinas: “The overwhelming support to negotiate is ignored by the British side” ~ ...Timerman speaking before the Special Committee on Decolonization of the United Nations in New York, and said it is not possible to “allow a double standard in respect of international law that each and every one of us requires us and protects us. ” “How can a country refusing to comply with a decision that was expressed over 45 times in the UN What right does the United Kingdom to require other states to abide by the resolutions of the United Nations when it is he who does not fulfill them?, the minister asked. Timerman, flanked by Daniel Filmus, head of the newly created Ministry of Principles on Malvinas Affairs, highlighted the fact that ”Mr. UK representative, once again, fails to participate in this dialogue because it ignores this Committee because he believes that those who are sitting here not deserve to be heard...“'
Jun 26th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201406/68817-timerman-onu-malvinas-comite-descolonizacion.html
'”We will not allow the exploitation of their natural resources“ -
During his speech to the Decolonization Committee, Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman again urged Britain to sit down to negotiate the sovereignty of the archipelago, because ”the lack of dialogue only brings violence,“ and rejected the ”autocratic and arbitrary exploitation” that country takes over the resources in the Argentine Sea...'
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201406/68817-timerman-onu-malvinas-comite-descolonizacion.html
'New UN resolution calls for Falklands dialogue - The U.N. Decolonization Committee has approved another resolution calling on Britain and Argentina to negotiate a solution to their dispute over the Falkland Islands...'
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201406/68817-timerman-onu-malvinas-comite-descolonizacion.html
The usual Resolution will receive the usual reply from Westminter.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Vernet- You are a LIAR! - If you wish to visit the Islands there are 52 flights a year from South America- 12 of them direct from Argentina and you can book a flight anytime you wish - and can stay as a visitor for up t0 90 days - no problems at all. If any Malvanista comes on to support you I challenge them to give me one bit of evidence that says you cannot come here to visit please?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Twitman claiming he will not allow UK to exploit the offshore resources - for the benefit of almost 40 million approx. thickos(a few know the truth) - UK is NOT - Falkland islands Govt IS - and 100% of all and if any, tax revenue will accrue to the Falkland Islands Govt - and every single malvinista who ever comes on here knows that is a FACT - not fiction.
Alex - you also are a LIAR - proove your figures - show the sources. You forgot to mention that the Governor presides over Executive Council - but has NO VOTE in proceedings - funny you stayed silent on that little fact! There is no Chairman of the Assembly as you claim- There is a Speaker- same as your parliament probably has who organises the logistics of meetings nothing more - the Assembly “Chair” or public spokesperson when the Assembly is not actually in session, as such is an elected MLA who rotates.
And can any malvanista please explain how any Open democractically Elected Assembly can be illegitimate? Guess your Govt must be as well then?
You can choose not to recognise it if it suits your silly minds - but that in now way makes it illegitimate as a fair representative of its people - not the territory - the PEOPLE.
Be nice if the FCO comes out with something like.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“following the latest C24 Resolution concerning the Falkland Islands, HMG refers them to the reply of 2013, 2012, 2011. 2010 and all prior replies. Further more to expedite future matters, HMG would inform the C24 that this is also HMG position for their future resolutions of 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, etc.”
THis is actually now good press coverage for the Islanders and they should continue to be represented at the C24.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly the c24 is there to help the Islanders - something that the c24 ahs been allowed to ignore doing in favour of propping-up the colonial ambitions of Argentina.
With the HI being represented, and backed by the referendum it becomes increasingly hard for anybody tot ake the c24 seriously when it is so clearly trying to operate outside of its remit (by doing antyhing at all with regards sovereignity) and ignoring the very people it is supposed to be supporting (the Falkland Islanders).
So the participation of the Islanders is essential and gradually wearing away at the idiocy of both the C24 and the Argentine Government.
Its good free-press ever year nowadays...and exposes the hypcrisy of the c24 at every occasion.
What an utter tosser Betts is.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are his kids he left still on the islands?
Do they even speak to the cnut?
Tosser - Not only did he abandon his family for another woman, he's also trying to sh*it on them too.
Disgusting person truly.
@ 42 Escoses Doido
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Tosser - Not only did he abandon his family for another woman, he's also trying to sh*it on them too.”
He is only trying top fit in with the rest of The Dark Country!
Betts was before my time, but l can tell you that my neighbours, friends & family here absolutely despise him.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who likes a traitor?
Even the people who benefit from his treason hold him in contempt.
“MLA Mike Summers en C24 del año pasado, explicó la importancia del referéndum marzo 2013”
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor idiot, trying to explain the unexplainable. Go to convince Canada that for convenience, is the only country that still remembers that silly referendum...if that they remember.
Yes Mr Timerman, we are ignoring you… Bahahahaha Jupjupjup!
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Josey is foaming at the mouth at being rejected by the Falkland Islanders - spot on!
News for you.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't have to explain anything.
They have their islands and there's sweet FA you or your cronies in the C24 can do about it.
See you again next year.
Betts said that none of the elected Falklands members of legislative assembly were born in the islands. He simply knows that is a lie. Don't these deadbeats think anyone is going to verify anything they say?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He simply shacked up with another woman who happened to be an Argie, dumped his wife and family, went to live in Argentina with his mistress and then cooked up all this shit about thinking deeply about the sovereignty issue and realised the islands were Argentine.
The same is James Peck. He's not patriotic to Argentina or the Falklands (even though he stood for election here shortly before he shot through). James Peck is only patriotic to James Peck. Another one who ran away from his family. Not an ounce of work in that fucker's whole body.
Isn't he the son of Terry PECK?
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terry is rolling in his grave
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, Alejandro/Alexander Betts, one of the 42,673 Argentine settlers who were brutally killed and later expelled by England in 1833.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(excerpt from the Argentina Fairy Tale Book)
49 reality check
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct, James Peck is the son of the late Terry Peck and as Falkland Islands says, Terry would be rolling in his grave.
51 Don Alberto
Fairy tales all right.
Tinman said: “I was 10 years old, but now 60,” he said, adding that the conflict had been unresolved for nearly his entire life. Argentina always wished to comply with United Nations resolutions, but that required the other party to do the same. The representative of the United Kingdom did not even show up to this forum, and that Government had ignored 46 United Nations resolutions on the matter. It was not a complex issue; the United Kingdom just needed to sit down at the negotiating table, where Argentina had been sitting for 50 years.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a joke this man is, did he forget what his country did in 82?
Terry PECK.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RIP.
A very brave islander and from what I understand, not the only one.
As for Betts, only one scum bag Quisling out of an entire nations population! that's something to be proud of too.
I would love to see Alex Betts back in the Falklands, not sure how long he would last though.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes James was caught pinching growing vegetables form a neighbours garden one night with a barrow - fled the scene! So malvanistas who live near him and have a garden- be warned.
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe that is where Think gets his Turnips bwaha ha ha
Jun 26th, 2014 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 Islander1
Jun 27th, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep and he always thought the world owed him a living and that rules didn't apply to him of his new partner.
The NZ Herald had a piece a few hours ago that was so biased it could only have come from the Casa Rosada.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tried to find it just now... seems someone must have had a word with them and its been pulled.
Don Alberto?? Do I not know that name :-)
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0bett's is not only a traitor to his people, he's not much of a man. Abandoned his pregnant wife for a bit of Argie totty and a cushy number telling lies on behalf of his newly adopted State. Argentina - you are welcome :-)
Betts should be known in Argentina for what he is - “cypayo”, the malvinistas will love that!
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Falkland lslands,
Jun 27th, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0”-the United Kingdom needed to sit down at the (negotiating) table where Argentina had been sitting for 50 years.”
Because the soup has gone cold.
Ah well, Argentina, you shouldn't have waited. Start without me.
#45
Jun 27th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Jose, see your pathetic bunch of losers same time next year. That is, if you still have a country !
The C24 should be scrapped.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet was a German and not a Frenchman neither was Vernet a genuine governor. His rank was Comandante Politico y Militar, which is the rank below governor in the old Spanish hierarchy. The Falklands was a “comandancia”, which had a CPM in charge, not a “gobernacion”, which would have had a governor.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual Argentine misinformation as they don't know a bloody damn of their own history.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/argentina-makes-bond-payment-in-new-york-to-exchange-bondholders-1403798722
Jun 28th, 2014 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0A damning indictment of Argentina.
The restructured bond holders had to take a haircut of about 70% of their bonds original value, and for this the Argentine government promises to meet its (greatly reduced) commitments. That’s the sort of investment normal countries dream about. But of course, Argentina is ‘special’.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton @ 64
Jun 29th, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup.
Argentina, it is way past time to wake up and get along with the rest of the world. Don't you get it yet - the people of the Falklands want nothing to do with you. - Millet
Jun 29th, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian government are,
Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deaf-Dumb-And Blind,
mmm.
@ 70 Briton
Jun 29th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AND, they don't even play a mean pin-ball!
@70 Briton,
Jun 29th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AND a special kind of stupid.
True.
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