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Falklands reminds C24 it is not charged with determining sovereignty disputes
Addressing the United Nations Decolonization Committee (C24) on Thursday, Falkland Islands representative MLA Mike Summers reminded the C24 not only of its current duty, but also of its inability in the past to fulfill its obligations to the Non Self Governing Territories (NSGT) it should be assisting to reach a post-colonial status acceptable to the people who live there. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesExcellent, boot right in the nuts! But, can the knuckle draggers on this committee understand it, I doubt it? They can prove that they ARE by finally taking up his offer. Sitting there lapping up Timermans lies is simply not good enough.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be honest, given the utter contempt with which these pro Argentine cronies at the C24, treat the islanders, do they really want them setting a foot on their islands?
Jun 27th, 2014 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to withdraw, keep the status quo, under their own constitution, there's not a damn thing they can do about it anyway.
'Minister Rossi, for his part, held in Falkland “there are as many military as resident citizens”. One of the aspects coordinated by both Governments was the defense of natural resources in the basin of the Río de la Plata and the territorial sea of the South Atlantic, by the way of which both emphasized in questioning the British military presence in the Falklands. The Argentine Minister expressed his Government's concern “growing” exploitation of marine resources around the Falkland Islands by Britain...'
Jun 27th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/argentina-agradecio-uruguay-apoyo-buitres.html
'U.S. Court Rejects Argentina's Bid for More Time - Dispute Could See Country Default for Second Time in 13 Years'
http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/argentina-agradecio-uruguay-apoyo-buitres.html
'It is the voice of the world in favour of dialogue” - The UN Decolonization Committee recalled the numerous pronouncements in favor of the Argentina on your claim Falklands which date back to 1960 and signaling that the issue should be resolved through bilateral dialogue...'
http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/argentina-agradecio-uruguay-apoyo-buitres.html
'Veterans keep up pressure on Collymore over Falklands and NI unionist comments'
http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/argentina-agradecio-uruguay-apoyo-buitres.html
Lets be honest, that was clear and unequivocal.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0If by this time next year the C24 have once again failed to visit the Falklands:
The Falklands and UK governments should formally withdraw the Falklands for the list of territory's to be considered for decolonization.
If the C24 do not visit the Falklands they are clearly failing to do their job properly.
I wonder? It was only the other day that I commented on here that this is the sort of thing the FIG should do. That was just after I sent an email to the FIG suggesting that this was the sort of thing it should do. It may be a bit early to look for the other measures I suggested. Such as denying the UN's jurisdiction, walking out and declining to return until the C24 acts honestly.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0A while ago, during the Overseas Territories Consultation, I suggested that the FIG should get out into the world and refute all argieland's lies. And it has. I wonder?
Wouldn't mind a trip to the Falkands. With the RAF so I don't have to enter latam. Must be around £2,500 return by now. What chance does a pensioner stand?
The committee utterly ignored F.I. presentations, and further called for'negotiations' - to resolve what most delegates thought were “Argentina’s legitimate rights over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas.”
Jun 27th, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2014/gacol3271.doc.htm
C24 have been given enough rope to demonstrate they are are a biased irrelevant anachronism - operating outwith their remit. Time to disband it.
If the C24 cannot even follow their own remit, and ignore democratically elected representatives from the territories that they are supposed to help de-colonise, why on earth should the UK take any notice of them?
Jun 27th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 are not very bright, calling for the UK to enter dialogue with Argentina, as it is not their remit to do so-so they are thus validating the UK's refusal to discuss the Falklands Islands without representation from it's inhabitants, hence ensuring that dialogue will not take place.
Also as others have pointed out-if the C24 don't even visit the territories they are supposed to be helping, which is part of their remit (i.e. to investigate), they have withdrawn any grounds to complain about the UK not entering dialogue with Argentina.
The stupid thing is that by failing to follow the remit the UN gives the C24, they have absolutely Jack Squit of an effect on the Islands-as they are still administered by the UK, and the democratically elected FIG, like a scratched record played out every year on which the continuous g'dum, g'dum' g'dum signifies that Argentina are no nearer to colonising the Islands that they have ever been.
Reading the text issued was so funny.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm almost glad at the pain this situation causes some countries.
I especially liked Russia saying: “...the referendum had not influenced its position, he said, stressing that it did not view the vote as a sign of the United Kingdom’s sovereignty over the islands.”
Loved it. Funny that Crimea's referendum was acceptable to show Russia's sovereignty.
But I was extremely pleased by Timerman's plea that he was 10 years old when Resolution 2065 was issued and is now 60 - and that the conflict had been unresolved for nearly his entire life.
I will guarantee this. He will die without this being resolved.
So will Cristina. And so will every Argentine that was alive in 1965.
Titman stated that Argentina had been patient.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think he's confusing patience with impotence!
Lol.
I think the problem is the countries who make up this committee, mostly poor and corrupt themselves with chips on their shoulders and terrible human rights records. Look at Russia for gods sake
Jun 27th, 2014 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0They should be putting the inhabitants of the islands and their wishes first.
I can only assume that the UK has a very good reason for entertaining this committee year after year
There are currently 27 countries represented on the C24 ... a very small percentage of the UN membership
Jun 27th, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Mr Summers - but will it make an iota of difference to the C24 or to Argentina - I doubt that very much. There are none so deaf as those who just don't want to hear.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet:
Jun 27th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas were, in the strictest and most profound sense, “my homeland”, “land of my parents”,
PMSL...over and over again.
His great, great, great, grandfather spent 3 years there 180 years ago...He left voluntarily, and was compensated for his “losses” by the UK due to the Lexington raid (even though his now descendent believes UK didnt have sovereignty).
Perhaps Marcelo needs to repay the money....hahahahaha
@ 3 Steve-34-uk
Jun 27th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re Collymore, the former footballer - he clearly has his “demons” - see Wikipedia
“Collymore had a relationship with Ulrika Jonsson which ended after he punched her in a Parisian bar in 1998. He later married Estelle Williams. The couple divorced in 2007 and Collymore was arrested after allegedly threatening to kill her and burn down her parents' house in 2007. Charges were later dropped after Collymore agreed to be bound over to keep the peace.
Since talking in 1999 for the first time about his experience of depression, he has supported the charity Depression Alliance, and in 2011 raised £20,000 for it in three days.
In 2004, Collymore was accused of taking part in dogging at Cannock Chase by an undercover News of the World reporter. He lost his job at BBC Radio 5 Live over the incident.
He is a high-profile supporter of Republic, a campaign group that campaigns for an elected UK head of state.”
If you have the time the web-cast.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://webtv.un.org/watch/special-committee-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-to-colonial-countries-and-peoples-general-assembly-7th-meeting/3644756287001/
“We have formally invited the Committee of the C-24 to send a visiting mission to the Falkland Islands on many occasions before.“
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is abundantly clear that if the Committee C24 does not even hint neither this nor the previous time, however did go to Ushuaia, which is saying is: ”Messrs, you are nothing to invite anyone to a territory occupied by you in sovereignty dispute with Argentina.“
Regarding the C24 Committee ”has not the responsibility to determine sovereignty disputes”, this fool forgets the reason for the existence of the Committee, is to end the colonization everywhere and in all forms. When Britain put end the occupation and colonization ten territories on earth, including MALVINAS ARGENTINAS ISLANDS, the Committee will no longer have reason to be and will be dissolved.
The Malvinas Islands are Argentine usurped by pirates on January 3, 1833 expelling legitimate autoridaes.
To return the stolen items.
A simple solution would be for the Falkland Islanders to agree to leave what they consider to be their home as and when the Argentinian people agree to leave Argentina. Ater all, if one group can be seen as invasive colonizers then the other is no different. Although, in actual fact, the ancestors of the Falkland Islanders invaded a land with no inhabitants, quite the opposite from when the original Spanish invaders arrived in what is now known as Argentina.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jose
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colonization is of people, not land you fool.
The committee is there to ensure that the PEOPLE who live on the territories are adequately represented.
Otherwise every single perso who ever had any ancestor who hasnt always lived in the current country they find themselves must return home.
Self-determination dickhead.....
@17
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think logic has a great deal to do with any of this. It matters not, nothing will change, bring on the default.
That's all lies Josey which you know full well. No one was thrown out, you never owned the islands. Get knotted...
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Jun 27th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“To return the stolen items.” ...and send everyone on the island back to the UK, I suppose?
Lovely argument. Be sure to mention that in the campaign handout for the next referendum on the islands...
@18
Yes exactly. This is not a colonization issue; there is no displaced native population living in refugee camps in Argentina that has to be dealt with.
I sat through this farce of a committee and listened to a load of twaddle from the delegates. Timerman excelled himself. It was the UK trying to colonise the whole of the S.Atlantic which rightly belonged to Argentina.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has a face that you would not get tired punching !
The headline is a bit misleading. Argentina wants the Falkland Islanders to capitulate to Argentinian colonialism on the basis of a made up version of history. The UN committee didn't back this, Argentina's real position. All they backed is talks which are a polite way of saying to Argentina “the world doesn't care”.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A minor sub-committee of the UN with no power or influence called for talks and nothing more. Google UN C24 de-colonization committee and look at the membership. It is a who’s who of corrupt Western hating countries including in it's membership Iraq and Syria.
Um, and Argentina is not descended from a Colonization? I had this vague Idea that the Spanish invaded, killed HUGE numbers of the locals and the vast majority of people there now are descendants of immigrants of one form or another. As the Argentines themselves say: “los argentinos descienden de los barcos” (Argentines descend from the ships)
So it's OK for Argentina to be a country made up of immigration but not The Falklands.
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Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha Conqs....PMSL.......“What chance does a pensioner stand?”
You are pleading poverty now.....?
I remember not so long ago of you bragging how much money you had available what your property was worth...how you employed a gardener....;-))))
Don't be so tightfisted and book a flight...you will have no use for money when you are dead.....
Perhaps the C24 should recommend that Argentina be broken up into say, 4 or 5 separate countries,
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at least for the sake of peace , and a quiet nights sleep..lol
'Latin America and the Caribbean together against economic colonialism
Jun 27th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Vice President of the Republic of Argentina Amado Boudou official visit to the island, said bringing high expectations of economic integration with Cuba..'
http://www.juventudrebelde.cu/cuba/2014-06-26/argentina-y-cuba-en-pos-de-fortalecer-lazos-economica/
'The Argentine imperialism ~ ...In 2013, the Falkland held a referendum which was unanimously characterized as fair by international observers. Of the 1,650 likely voters, 92% declared themselves against changing the status quo, with only 8% abstention. Argentina scored only 3 votes of the total, far less than 1%. For the Argentine government, and many Latin American countries that have aligned with them about the issue of the Falklands, the colonization of the islands is a serious example of what vile imperialism which remote control powers seek to take what is not theirs...'
http://www.juventudrebelde.cu/cuba/2014-06-26/argentina-y-cuba-en-pos-de-fortalecer-lazos-economica/
@16
Jun 27th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just curious - doesn't the Argentine constitution state that the Argentine sovereignty of the islands is non-negotiable?
Aren't you violating your own constitution when you call for negotiations?
@5, 24
I agree. If it is on your bucket list to go, then do it! May never get another chance...
Mike Summers has got it all wrong.
Jun 27th, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The duties of the C24 is to provide free first class or business class travel, five star hotels suites, opulent meals and free booze to a collection of (mostly) Latin American parasites.
Actually they are because the Malvinas islands are a colony...the world has spoken brits, accept it you are alone
Jun 28th, 2014 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Thanks for link to http://webtv.un.org
Jun 28th, 2014 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watched some of the the UN webcast. C24 turning itself into a whitewash. An unbelievable welcome to Timmerman - did Timmerman need reassurance before statements made? (No, Chair's favour declared at start.)
Following on from that, well done to Mike Summers and Roger Edwards, MLAs, Falkland Islands Government for stating their rights justly, legally and correctly within UN resolutions. Plus, pointing out Timmerman's (lack of) respect for them, that he couldn't have a Falkland Islander present, when a meeting was arranged with William Hague, UK Foreign Minister. Timmerman then goes onto claim he is waiting for negotiations and is not an obstruction, when he objects to the people most affected taking part, i.e. the Falkland Islanders themselves. And then there are “negotiations”, which have only one outcome for Argentina. Hardly a negotiation, just a dictat.
Quite rightly ignored! As if the Falkland Islanders & Britain are going to reward a murderous intrusion colonisation in 1833 and a 2nd attempted colonisation in 1982.
A result of 98% to stay a BOT is a crystal clear result.
(And freedom from Argentine oppression, who cannot treat their indigenous 'native' population well, as has been in the news recently, more land grabs of reservations.)
An aside, Russia criticising hypocritical. Why did they need so many troops for the Crimea vote? A bit of patience and it was possible the result would have been in their favour, monitored, internationally recognised, accepted. Those sanctions must have hurt enough.
Internationally monitored referendum to a high democratic standard, transparent, fair, without military pressure - that'll be in March 2013, Falkland Islands when they voted to stay as a British Overseas Territory, not any other option, especially not a colony of Argentina.
http://webtv.un.org
The fact that the UN C 24 Committee has heard arguments from representatives of the Falkland Islands means that they acknowledge the existense of the Islanders. This flys in the face of Argentina's claim that they don't exist.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most members of the C24, like Argentina, represent the triumph of colonialism rather than the refutation of it.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Searinox
Jun 28th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the remit of the C24 is to DECOLONISE the territories on the list NOT hand the over to a different COLONIAL power.
Do you understand this? Can you accept that Argentina was formed by colonialism, it is an aspiring colonial power AND it wants to colonise the Falkland Islands, which is against International Law, against the wishes of the Falkland Islands community - a community which predates the existence of the Republic of Argentina.
There should be only ONE reason Argentina should be attending the C24 - that is to decolonise Patagonia, which it COLONISED against the wishes of the native population...just like it wants to do to the FI.
Face it, Argentina has no moral high ground. It hasn't got history or international law on it's side, all it has a bunch of like minded sycophants who have abysmal human rights records...just like Argentina does.
Argentina is still colonising native Amerindian land TODAY. Argentina is still stealing land and murdering native Amerindians TODAY.
If Argentina actually had a case they'd've taken it to the International Court of Justice years ago.
Argentina is a joke and an aspiring wannabe imperialist coloniser. Accept it.
The UK isn't alone. The ONLY support Argentina gets are from countries with similar or worse human rights atrocities, many of whom are subjugating people and freedom. Accept THAT.
#16 to return stolen items well if you want to dive off the isle of wright you can orobably recover a thousand of so argentine rifles theres an raf chinook still flying that started out as mostly an argentine helicopter.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think the aa guns may be in storage
Most of the AA guns are on display in museums or as trophies.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 02620 Aux Sqn RAF Reg has a pair at their Unit on RAF Marham, captured at Stanley Airfield I believe.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/argentina-makes-bond-payment-in-new-york-to-exchange-bondholders-1403798722
Jun 28th, 2014 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0A damning indictment of Argentina.
'There should be only ONE reason Argentina should be attending the C24
Jun 28th, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- that is to decolonise Patagonia,
which it COLONISED against the wishes of the native population
...just like it wants to do to the FI. ...
Argentina is still colonising native Amerindian land TODAY.
Argentina is still stealing land and murdering native Amerindians TODAY'
#33 LEP Recon. Well argued.
@16 Jose.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ expelling legitimate autoridaes. ”
Including those members of the 'authorities' tried and executed by the United Provinces for the murder of Mestivier?
Are all Argentine' legitimate authorities' made up of criminals?
How are murderers legitimate?
@29 Searinox
“Actually they are because the Malvinas islands are a colony...”
Which you are attempting to colonise and make an Argentine colony....yeah right.
Presumably murder is accepted by Argentina as legal practice-on the positive side, you don't have the expense of prisons!
“this fool forgets the reason for the existence of the Committee, is to end the colonization everywhere and in all forms.”
So therefore it should be against the colonisation of the Falklands planned by Imperialist Argentina then?
You said it-“colonisation in ALL FORMS”
“The Malvinas Islands are Argentine usurped by pirates on January 3, 1833 expelling legitimate autoridaes.”
However, the civilian settlers from South America including Rivero, were not expelled and the female gaucho Antonina de Roxa stayed in the Islands eventually owning her own ranch near Stanley-and several of Vernet's settlers stayed in the Islands until their natural deaths. Yet according to you these South American people were transplanted from 8000 miles away?
The Falkland Islands is a self-governing Territory. Therefore, I fail to understand why the FIG insists in participating in the C24 meetings.
Jun 28th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
PS. And yes, Mike is usually right.
Poor CFK,
Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she just cant see what's coming.
I'm getting a little bit tired of international organisations whether it's the C24 or the EU or FIFA or even the bloody Eurovision song contest. The problem is you end with decisions which are not based on merit but are instead decisions based upon the deranged musings of a cabal of muppets.
Jun 29th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It suits some countries to play the 3rd world solidarity, ant-colonial card without even looking at the facts...because the facts are politically inconvenient. I think we could probably improve the quality of decision making on the C24 by penalising countries who vote against us. We might try taking away their foreign aid and spending it instead on developing British overseas territories in the atlantic. That way we can help our people plus teach the C24 that there's a penalty to pay for supporting the ridiculous Argentinian claim.
Membership, Argentina is NOT member, if im correct.
Jun 29th, 2014 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Committee_on_Decolonization
@41 Cognito
Jun 29th, 2014 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ We might try taking away their foreign aid and spending it instead on developing British overseas territories in the atlantic. ”
Excellent idea-then they could get Argentina to borrow more money to pay them (C24 countries) the aid they need as thanks for their support.
“Actually they are because the Malvinas islands are a colony...the world has spoken brits, accept it you are alone”
Jun 30th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, cheers for the laugh on a Monday morning.
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Jun 30th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Benson...explain to me slowly using real facts and not fake facts or hyperbole why you think Argentina is the rightful owner of the Falkland Islands...and then extend that argument further to why you think Argentina is the rightful owner of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, Antarctica, Southern Chile or the bloody dark side of the moon or whatever else it is your claiming this week.
Jun 30th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On second thoughts don't bother there isn't a fact you could use or invent which effects the reality that the Falklands are a British. You are what you do and by that measure Argentina is a land populated by a“bunch of dicks”.
I swear to god I could never be an Argentinian I would gag on the hypocrisy and lies that I would have spout out. I could never sell out my integrity to the degree that these muppets do every day. To stand up and lie and lie again all because their greed. I would pay any price to ensure that these greedy inept fascists never get their hands on the Falklands.
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Jul 01st, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should explain very slowly using real facts to Benson why you attacked him....opps...or better still look @29....;-)
mmm envy..
Jul 01st, 2014 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is clear the C24 is grossly partisan in favor of Argentina due to regional self-serving political alliances; the fact is Argentina has no legal place at the C24 and should not be present; rather the Falkland Islanders should be in an 'adversarial' position against their Administrating Country, i.e Great Britain
Jul 04th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really do feel Great Britain is letting the Falkland Islanders down by failing to appear in from of the C24 to report their progress in their implementation of UN Charter 73 and UN GA Resolution 1514(XV):
The absence of Great Britain creates a vacuum which the Argentine Republic illegitimately fills
The terms of reference of the C24 is to hear from Great Britain and the Falkland Islanders on the progress on the implementation of Resolution 1514(XV) in the Falkland Islands, and to make report and make recommendations to the Fourth Committee
Argentina has no legitimate right to appear before the C24; rather the Argentine Republic must take its pretensions to Sovereignty to the UN ICJ and state its claim
The grandstanding of Argentine heads of state and ministers at the C24 is wholly inappropriate and a gross abuse of the terms of reference by the C24 Chair and Committee members; Great Britain and the Falkland Islands Government should report these abuses and partiality of the C24 to the UN Secretary-General and Fourth Committee and seek their replacement with neutral and impartial member states
In addition, Great Britain must condemn the public interferenc e by the Argentine Republic on Great Britain's andthe Falkland Islands' own Territorial Integrity and the Disruption of Great Britain's and the Falkland Islands' National Unity by the Argentine Republic vis-à-vis the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands
This is a policy area which Great Britain and the Falkland Islands Government should strongly address and represent themselves in future to neutralise malicious Argentine propaganda
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