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Cobos Falklands' trip receives praise: challenge for all Argentina presidential hopefuls
Despite Argentina's news agenda is absorbed by the World Cup, another possible default and the indictment for corruption of Vice-president Amado Boudou, the Argentine media still has time to talk about former vice-president and presidential hopeful Julio Cleto Cobos' current trip to the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentines twisting and turning on one another.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who would trust an Argentine?
Their untrustworthiness and mendaciousness is manifest.
You will indeed find the answers you seek, you might want to have a rethink about their referendum too.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with Argentines is that reading this message, they still don't understand the simple facts of the matter and, it seems, wish to plot yet another doomed scheme to take possession of the Islands as hostility, economic blockade and aggression have unsurprisingly failed.
What scheme are the beleaguered Falkland Islanders going to be subjected to next I wonder?
I know, why don't you try just leaving then alone and being nice.
”...those two pieces of land we so much love but miss”.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0How could they be missed?
But understand the love part.
Beware of argies bearing false gifts of hope./?
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gonzalez highlights the problem with Argentina's claim of the islands:
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0”a territory of which all that is known is via maps, history books and patriotic songs”.
The country has never owned them to know them and common belief nowadays is based on one-sided history books and patriotism inducing songs that children learn from an early age.
No wonder nearly every Argentine and his stray dog believes they belong to Argentina
Nice that a senior Argentine politician admits his country covets a territory that it knows absolutely nothing about.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0There'll be a one world government before Argentines could get their act together enough that the Falklanders want to join them.
So - the sovereignty umbrella is still in place? That's interesting. And allowing the British stamp of sovereignty, without protest, is not a de facto recognition - that is just obscure :-)
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely ‘diplomatic’ blather from an ex-diplomat who still does not understand that the Falklands will never belong to The Dark Country while argies have holes in their culos.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have to admit to being in the Isolde camp of keeping these cretins out of ”those two pieces of land we so much love but miss”.
Never, ever, trust an argie and all they get in government are argies: where are the Argentines like my next door neighbour?
I'm sure the islanders are going to be all broken up about Taiana's refusal to visit the Falklands under 'British occupation'.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reference sovereignty claims:
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Why did France not at least propose that the dispute should be referred to this tribunal, as England has done, after more than half a century of intermittent and fruitless discussion? The failure to make such a proposal deprives the claim of much of its force; it may even render it obsolete.' (Opinion of Judge Carneiro, ICJ Minquiers & Ecrehos Case 1953, para 1 p 65).
Delete France insert Argentina.
Yet another RG 'dogs wanger'.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still not seeing any Argentine politician suggesting that the people who live on the Islands have a right to be there. That's the scary part.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Highly amusing. What Gonzalez fails to note is that argies (if you accept that inhabitants of the United Provinces were “argies”) have “occupied” the Falkland Islands for all of 4 months in the last 324 years. I use the word “occupied” advisedly. Neither “occupation” was legal. Many years ago I went on holiday to a spanish town called Calella. I thought it was very nice and I miss it. Does that mean it's mine? Later on, I felt much the same about Dallas and Las Vegas. The REAL reality for argies is that they aren't “our” Islands. They are OUR Islands. A number of argies have temporary leases on small plots. About 6 foot long. There's a countdown. When they've rotted away, no more leases. Indeed, the British Army has plans to build a firebase there. Go on, argies, fire at that!
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9. I think “Taiana's refusal to visit the Falklands under 'British occupation'.” is more about the fear that he'll be bundled aboard a Falklands fishing boat and tossed overboard in the middle of the Atlantic.
Can you imagine Ed Milliband starting his campaign to be the next British Prime Minister by going to the Faroe Islands?
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Argentine politicians think of the Falklanders as Argentine and the Islands as part of Argentina .....
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK , so treat them as you do voters on the mainland .
1 ) Big asados with copious amounts of red wine
2 ) Planes sociales ( welfare packages ) but on a somewhat grander scale than those offered in say, Villa31 .
I would say U$S10M to every inhabitant of the islands to either leave or vote for Argentine sovereignty ought to do it .
By my calculation that is between U$S18 and 25 Billion .
Bargain .
Oh , Argentina doesn't actually HAVE any money ?
Carry on trolling then .
As long as British passports are denied and told to pay their own ticket back in all Argentina passport control stations, I'm happy.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need some more Quebracho activity, it's been a while.
so cobos went to the islets?
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yuck. not the best place to go.
guess tahiti would have been a better option, no?
@17
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why are you so desperate to have ownership?
Read Aesops fable about the fox and the grapes mate.
Then you will understand your own mentality.
...guess tahiti would have been a better option, no?
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not if your name is Phil Coulson.
Unlike the cool and collected members posting here on Mercosur /Mercosul Press, the former minister Sr. Jorge Taiana represents the typical hot-headed, emotionally-blinded mentality presently leading the Argentine nation.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Calma Jorge, Calma, before your burst a blood vessel and die of a CVA, or as we say here Avc.
16 TTT
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you need to review your objectives for posting on this site because you are just making a fool of yourself now. Some of your posts are falling lower than Conqueror's and that's not a benchmark you should be aiming for.
“ those two pieces of land “we so much love but miss”
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...even though we've never been there or especially though we've never been there?
”Yes, Argentina needs a State policy on the Islands but “how can you design such a policy on a territory of which all that is known is via maps, history books and patriotic songs”.”
Much more easily than when you have to face the actual reality. Facts keep getting in the way then.
As I know nothing Falklands or England I suppose you are not the best people in the world to hang out with us. Maybe better for us all (English and South American) mutually forget.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refused a British exchange student who wanted to do in Brazil today.
I spent a few days thinking about my decision. Every time I was inclined to accept I remembered the words of hatred that are distilled in Mercopress.
I decided not to accept the English student.
May be in next time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hf4esL0Wpw&src_vid=SeJtUdmY4Iw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_3894121629
A state policy based on irrelevant maps, false history books and propaganda songs...scary.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first step was to realise it.
The second step is to correct the maps, correct the history books and change the songs.
The third step is to change the state policy.
The fourth step is to truly believe it.
Ironically, the day that the islands might want to join Argentina is the same day that Argentina would be mature enough not to want them.
Bravo Brasileiro
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You judge a whole nation on anonymous people on a website.
If I judged Brazil based on Brazilians on this website then I'd generalise that half of them are uneducated idiots that have trouble stringing a coherent sentence together.
But I'm not that stupid and juvenile. I don't judge Brazil on your posts. I know you represent no one but your own narrow, uneducated, ill-informed, juvenile and parochial view.
I'm not sure what that “English student” escaped from. But I would have to say they were lucky not to have to deal with you.
I don't judge Argentina on the lunatic ravings of Nostrils.
I don't judge Brazil on your pathetic posts.
I plan in visiting both countries and the best part is that people like you or Nostrils can't do a thing to stop me.
Even when I have such a massive intellect and capacious IQ, one learns something new every day.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't the Anglos always boasting about beating back the Spanish Armada? To this day, 500 years later, they gasconade about the encounter.
Well, look what I found!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
“The English Armada...was a fleet of warships sent to the Iberian Coast....The campaign resulted in the defeat of the English fleet and eventually to a withdrawal with heavy losses both in lives and ships”
This is PRIME evidence proving how Anglos completely rewrite, DENY, an hide history (when it talks about their DEFEATS). Some choice excerpts from another “inalterable” source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Armada
“Many historical texts relate the famous Spanish Armada battle of 1588, between the Spanish fleet and its English counterpart... As the story is often related, Spain, the great power in Europe prior to the engagement, reeled in the face of abject defeat, ceding control of the seas to the island nation to the north... Spain receded into political and military insignificance... Yet this description of the Spanish Armada encounter, which is distressingly common, is also grossly inaccurate, and it fails entirely to depict the surprising aftermath of the naval battle—in which Spain would paradoxically reinforce its power on the high seas, not witness its decline. Spain’s naval resurgence would have massive ramifications that reverberate even today— affecting the map of the Americas, augmenting the power of England’s Parliament by draining revenues from the Crown, even implicating Ireland and its tormented history into the mix.”
So democracy in England came about thanks to SPAIN!!!
Further:
“ a lesser-known clash between Spain and England at sea and on land in 1589, the year following Spain’s invasion of England... It was nearly successful, but ultimately its defeat was total and replete with drastic consequences.”
LOSERS!
“The fetishism of the stamped passport does not represent any record in support of the United Kingdom claim ”
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same fetishism from an Argentine stamp on a passport in Argentina because the stamp is not from a country of freed Amerindians?
@27
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you thank the Spanish for bringing you the Anglican Church and for giving you democracy when they DEFEATED YOUR ATTEMPTED INVASION of their country?
Sound familiar...
@24
I wonder what's worse, false history or HIDDEN history, which you Brits are masters of ensconcing.
@21. You've just managed to get lower than an uncleaned argie cesspit. You might want to “Think” about how you respond to those who support the Falkland Islands. We might change our minds. We might decide that you can work for your own salvation. We're the ones that influence OUR government.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23. If you know nothing, why are you commenting? Chances are that the “British” student was a muslim anyway. They don't care where they go as long it's slightly better than their pigsties.
@26. “Even when I have such a massive intellect and capacious IQ”. By YOUR standards, so does a calculator.
@28. How would Roman Catholic, Inquisitorial, torturing spain bring the Anglican church to England? Here's an important question that you need to answer. 4 + 4 = ?
I reckon you argies are best placed to expose false and hidden history. You have plenty of both.
FACTS:
1. Britain discovered and landed on the Falkland Islands in 1690.
2. Britain made a legal claim in 1765. NO-ONE objected.
3. Spain defeated 1770/1.
4. British-authorised commercial exploitation in 1828.
5. British direct rule re-established in 1833 and an ex-spanish colony is told to piss off. It did as it was told.
6. An ex-spanish colony committed an illegal and UN-condemned action. It got splattered. Nothing “false” or “HIDDEN”. Argies and argieland are WORSE. Invading, occupying, genocidal, larcenous, mendacious, deviant perverts.
7. Try again. Learn how to die. By the thousands.
“Even when I have such a massive intellect and capacious IQ”
Jul 04th, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0No you don't.
Well, well, well, all the Anglos are suddenly avoiding the subject of “history”, and “war”.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's try with another topic: honor.
Lots said by the anglos about “argies” and honor. So lets examine the anglo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Cod#Native_population
“Cape Cod has been the home of the Wampanoag tribe of Native American people for many centuries. They survived off the sea and were accomplished farmers. They understood the principles of sustainable forest management, and were known to light controlled fires to keep the underbrush in check. They helped the Pilgrims, who arrived in the fall of 1620, survive at their new Plymouth Colony.
The Indians lost their lands through continued purchase and expropriation by the English colonists.”
SO... These noble people help some famished, heretics from another continent survive a winter... and how do these miserable, disease-ridden ANGLOS repay them?
By purposefully giving them smallpox, and EXPROPRIATING their lands.
And this abominable chain of events/actions is now THE major national holiday of NorthAmoland...
The immorality is appalling.
Yes, it was tragic, disgusting, unforgivable and immoral.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0And then in 2014 an Argentine presidential hopeful went to the Falklands.
and?
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly!
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and?”
That is what is now unknown. What will this visit change? Will it change anything?
That is the “and?”
The fact that your superior intellect and high IQ wants to keep posting links to wikipedia about historical events instead of current events in your own country is indeed telling.
You all + Mercopress do a good enough job of bringing “current events” from Argentina to the fore. I think you will scrape by without me contributing.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason I bring the historical facts is because everyone here calls argies “without honor”, and I would like to find out what about your behaviors as societies gives you the right to judge others.
“I think you will scrape by without me contributing.”
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0QED
@35
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0And as always, the Nostril fallacy: if somebody else is guilty of something, then Argentina must be innocent of it.
Please note that the defeat or otherwise of the Spanish Armada in 1588 is not a licence for Argentina to defraud Italian pensioners.
@35:
Jul 04th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Calm down RG troll! FFS!
OOOOOwwwwww Handbags at ten paces!!!!
@35
Jul 04th, 2014 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everything in HISTORY was committed by the person in charge or Government,in that regard most of the western powers have changed.( Decisions are now consensual ie bu the electrorate ) Only the LATAM countries have not, history is what it is history, believe it or not we look to the future. Your ancesters ( Spain and Portugal, German ) were no different then.
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