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Falklands' praise for Cobos' visit: 'at least he will have a better understanding of the Islands'
The former Argentine vice-president and presidential hopeful Julio Cleto Cobos who visited the Falklands this week will at least have a better understanding of the Islands commented Member of Legislative Assembly Phyl Rendell on behalf of the Assembly Thursday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAll diplomatic niceties aside. He has now seen the Falklands and her people in close up. He now knows the truth, he was a visitor from abroad.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did he send any postcards home?
He still is, after all an Argentine politician and therefore not to be trusted.
“It is possible that there they might find the answers that for so long we have been looking.”
Jul 04th, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The answer is - they're British :-)
Have any of the Islanders actually seen or talked to him ?
Jul 04th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only pictures I have seen of him on the Islands have had no one else in them, as though they were taken when no one was about.
I don't think he has talked to anybody, even local citizens. Like many of his compatriots perhaps he is afraid of the truth. His “advisors” have had the odd discussion.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is probably the only honest politico in the country.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would imagine that the man must have at some point spoken to at least one or two locals, after all were was he staying, were did he eat his meals, how did he transport himself around the Islands?
Jul 04th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I spent the other afternoon in the company of two Argentinian brothers, one has lived in the UK forr neigh on 20 years and the other still lives in Patagonia. Now we spoke of the Falklands, the one who lived in Argentina told me about the way children are educated to believe they belong to Argentina from a early age (he disagrees with it strongly) boh guy's are of the opinion that the Islands belong to the Islanders wholeheartedly and do not want Argentina to get there hands on them because as one said “Our government is so corrupt what do you think would happen If they got them”. So you see not all Argentinians are as blind as some we have hee and on Facebook forums :-)
He's been walking about Stanley and has visited tourist sites outside the town - staying at the Waterfront Hotel
Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5. Which “country”? And how do you define “honest”? Not caught? Not caught yet? Not caught in the last 1/2/3/4/5 years?
Jul 04th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6. However did you find argie brothers? Surely single-celled organisms don't have “brothers”? What connection does the UK argie have with horses? Does he eat them? Have you considered that they might have told you what they thought you would want to hear. I presume you'd now vouch for them. And if it was suggested that the UK argie might have been out taking photos of defence installations, warships, combat aircraft? And the UK argie arrived here AFTER the Falklands War? In the case of war between argieland and the UK, what would your UK argie do? Go back 75 years. Guess what sort of things nazi agents and fifth-columnists used to say about Hitler! I have a bargain for you. It's worth about £5 million. But I can let you have it for about £1.5 million. Obviously we want to avoid taxes or it will be more expensive. So I'll give you the address of a car park where you can give me the holdall with the money. I'll rush home and arrange delivery. Okay with you? Trust me. You can't lose!
@8
Jul 04th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are quite a few argies out there that disagree with their governments stance Conq, 40 million people can't all be dicks.
“They are afraid of people seeing the Islands for what they really are, and understanding the difference between propaganda and reality. ”
Jul 04th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least Cobos does not seem to have his head stuck in the sand, it may bring it home to him that the Islands are unlikely to be Argentine in '25' years time.
I haven't seen Cobos at all. I haven't gone out of my way to find him but it's not a big place so he is obviously keeping a low profile. All I know is, like apenguin said, he is staying at the Waterfront.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's interesting though. I was thinking about this the other day and if the Falkland Islands Government approached this Argentine-style they would've put out press statements describing the “positive talks” they'd had with Cobos and expressing their pleasure that he agreed the Falklands should be British, etc.
Chalk and Cheese. Or maybe more appropriately 'fresh and rotten'.
Don't jump to quickly chaps,.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''Great injustice' has been served on a Merseyside soldier who died in the Falklands war'
Jul 04th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyside-soldier-who-died-falklands-7369391
'Teachers are trained on the Falklands War - It is an initiative of the Ministry of Education of the Province, coordinated with the Centers Veterans. ~ ... “We take different points as the historical question of Malvinas and the claim of national sovereignty,” he said. indicated that for this kind of conference geopolitical aspects are studied...'
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyside-soldier-who-died-falklands-7369391
'Dante Caputo Cobos harshly questioned by his trip to Falklands'
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyside-soldier-who-died-falklands-7369391
'Cuba ratifies support for Argentina Falkland Islands and against “vulture funds”
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyside-soldier-who-died-falklands-7369391
'Brazil and India: Rising Powers in Maritime Security ~ ...This takes place just as tensions over the Malvinas/Falklands have resurfaced between Argentina the United Kingdom. Greater attention to the South Atlantic has also meant that Brazil has reaffirmed its commitment to improving its Antarctic program, including by cooperating with its South American neighbors...'
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyside-soldier-who-died-falklands-7369391
It's a start I guess. Shame he never took the time to speak with some islanders.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well forget Cobos; all eyes are now on our next high profile Argentina visitor due next week. Is it Argie season or something?
Jul 04th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know the one way we can educate the uneducated is have them come visit the Islands to see for them selves just what the Kelpers are all about and that they do exist. It would do CFK the world of good to also come and visit and ask the people about the Greatest little Country on the planet why they so wish to be British.
Jul 04th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly there is a lot of misconception in Argentina about us and the only way to put it right is for the powers to get of their high horses and stop trying to fill their peoples mind with such rubbish like “we don't exist”. Cobos will go back knowing the truth and will be able to tell CFK that she is truly telling her people a whole pack of lies .
We have and will always say that we want to choose our own destiny but we also believe that to get along in this world we have to be friends with everyone. If only the Argentines would adopt the same views. Sadly they will not because their one end goal is to own and control our very destiny and they also know we will not let that happen.
Cobos will also have seen we are not squatters on a land but that we are many generations of birth right Islanders and a very vibrant people doing what is necessary to make our Country grow.
@8 Why on earth would I need to vouch for them? do you live in somesort of secret society or something? As for what they said I take it at face value in the same way that I take what you say at face value, after all for all any of us here know you might well be a Argentinian provocature. and before you complain about that try reading some of your posts, the rhetoric in them is the sort of thing a person might post when he wishes to give a false impression of a country that he claims to be a part of LOL As for the rest of your post it is utter drivel LOL
Jul 05th, 2014 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the Islands should have one of their own candidate for Argentine President. After all, according to Argentina, they are Argentine.
Jul 05th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Jul 05th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha!
Good point!
Who Knows such a candidate from he Islands could and probably would win the election and become their leader. Than wonder how El Think and the others would react.
Jul 05th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But reality check here chaps. hat could not be allowed because we would be seen to be colonising them and as we are termed squatters that is the one argument they use against us right.
I definitely think that Argentina would seriously benefit from being colonised by the Falkland Islands, with British support, of course.
Jul 05th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do they refuse to come to the negotiating table to discuss this?
I may have to go to the UN, CELAC, ALBA, MercoSur, the OAS, the C24 or some random Pacific Islands and scweam and shwout and stamp my little feet and claim the WHOLE world supports me, until they do!
sound like a plan?
Perhaps just send the new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier on tour instead?
'Kelpers mocked the trip Sabella a misplaced joke
Jul 06th, 2014 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 021:34 | In a game that Argentina beat Belgium, national coach and almost fell from the Islands published the picture with offensive caption: “has been sucking the same things that Kirchner..”
http://www.diarioregistrado.com/mundial-2014/96583-los-kelpers-se-burlaron-del-tropezon-sabella-con-un-chiste-desubicado.html
''Selfies' on Malvinas - Julio Cobos's trip to the Falkland Islands is a superficiality of many of the concepts in the public discussion on the subject of the dispute over the southern archipelago evidence...'
http://www.diarioregistrado.com/mundial-2014/96583-los-kelpers-se-burlaron-del-tropezon-sabella-con-un-chiste-desubicado.html
“Mr. Cobos will return to Argentina with a better understanding of the reality of the Falkland Islands”
Jul 06th, 2014 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will he? after all, the whole history of Argentine politics and politicians consists of a persistent and common conviction that actual reality will give way to their fantasies and illusions.
The Argentine Government is living in absolute fantasy land if they actually believe the UK will ever give up the Falkland Islands, with out the permission of the Islanders, of course!
Jul 06th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0British soldiers died. The British never forget that. It is a mainstay of British culture that 'we will remember them'. Thus it is an impossibility that the Argentine Government could ever colonise the islands. The British simply will not allow that to happen, and they have the means to say so.
There is nothing to negotiate.
Fools, the lot of them. Pathetic fools. Not even worth pity.
The state of Argentina would massively benefit by colonisation by a serious country. Even France would do a better job of it!
@9. Oh, I do agree. Out of 41 million argies, how many are entitled to vote? As if “voting” made any difference. Research and a bit of calculation suggets that the argie electorate numbers around 30,635,112. Voter turnout averages 76%. That cuts things down to a little 23 million. Want a 51% “majority”? Less than 12 million. Let's go back. The country is “directed” by about 29% of the population. Just look at that. Around 71% of the population is effectively disenfranchised. 70% of the argie population DON'T MATTER! They could ALL be against their “government” and it WOULDN'T MATTER. With no wish to be rude, try reality.
Jul 06th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16. I applaud your views. Try some reality. Both nazis and communists visited democratic countries. Did you notice them returning to their “home” countries imbued with a new sense of democracy? Didn't they actually return yattering about “decadence”, “capitalist bribery”, “devious propaganda”? Wait and see. I do not prejudge. But I reckon that Cobos will have “seen” exactly what he wanted to “see”.
@17. Oh, I'm so sorry. Perhaps it's my background. I used to do investigation and enforcement. The majority of “people” tell you what is in their interest. You would certainly know about drivel seeing as you've just spouted loads of it. My basis is that I have put loads of criminals behind bars. In order to do that, I had to learn a lot of things. And your background is.....?
@23. Totally agree with you. Let's pick out the usual “nasty” countries. argieland, Bolivia, China, Ecuador, Iran, North Korea, Russia, spain(?), Venezuela. How many individuals from the stated countries have visited democratic/western countries and returned “home” to praise said democratic/western countries? How many have spouted the “government” line?
25 Conqueror (#) you are more than likely right in your suggestions. There has to be a way though to create a bigger gap between those that want to destroy us and those who think different in Argie Land.
Jul 06th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They know very well that we will never give our home away to them and that is why they are so angered.
We will be prosperous and continue to grow while Argentina keeps on slipping down into the sludge pit.
To think they almost persuaded us in the 1970's they were genuine. Well as the saying goes “Once bitten Twice shy”.
@25
Jul 08th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering I hardly ever comment I dont think much of your Investigatory skills LOL
What has my background got to do with anything I wonder LOL Oh well as you asked so nicely ok I was Army, did a spell with 14th Intell, worked on building sites and then did some work for solicitors :-) How does that do for you :-)
*24 British soldiers died the british never forget that...
Jul 12th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well sweetheart I´ve got news for you ARGENTINIAN SOLDIERS DIED ,
TOO AND THEY WILL NEVER FORGET THAT.......
@28
Jul 12th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, and the government of those poor conscripts didn't even want the bodies returned even when the UK offered to help repatriate them.
If they hadn't invaded they wouldn't have died.
you got that figured out yet? If you attack a British Overseas Territory you die.
simple truth.
next troll please. This one is clearly inadequate.
*29 you said it conscripts against professional soldiers wow!! and you are proud of that!!?? everybody dies sometime or another I would not have liked it very much to kill conscripts or a conscripts killing me. Now the argetinian airforce is something else!! I take my hat off to those boys
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