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Falklands: Putin calls on UK to sit and talk with Argentina to resolve the dispute
Russia's president Vladimir Putin has got involved in the Falkland Islands row, urging Britain it must sit down with Argentina for fresh talks to resolve the dispute, as indicated by the United Nations. Read full article
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Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Colonisation is a dark cloud over the 20th and 19th centuries and something that should be totally wiped out,” CFK said!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly… Argentina can forget colonising the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the other British Islands, it aint gonna happen.
Nothing to discuss
Read all about it! Colonisation should be wiped out states lying Spanish implanted population responsible for mass genocide of the native population in South Anerica.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read all about it! Lying hipercrite Cristina says “colonialism is bad unless we Argentines are doing it to a peaceful population of Falkland Islanders”.
Read all about it! Russia's armed invasion of Crimea, and subsequent annexation against the constitution of Ukraine, against the agreement to uphold Ukrainian integrity, is exactly the same as 3000 Falkland Islanders holding a free, open and independent referendum on remaining a BOT”.
Yes we can all see (sarcasm alert) these are exactly the same, good one Vlad, brilliant comedian.
Meaningless piffle.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend. That's one of the key principles of international diplomacy. The stinking hypocracy of Crimea, Chechnya, Tibet, Patagonia, blah blah blah etc, says it all.
I just love how conveniently they dismiss the fact that the UK is happy to talk to Argentina, but not over the heads of the Falkland Islanders who we insist must be present
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can we negotiate when it is written into the Argentinian constitution that they control the mythical malvinas. That's OK we have the Falklands.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0But as mentioned above the Hypocracy of Crimea, Chechnya, Tibet, Patagonia and others is shocking
Putin can go frack himself, little tinpot dictator.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone know how on gets a Territory removed from the C24 listing.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean presumably there is a way to be removed, isn't there.
Like for instance if the Falklands had another Referendum where they ask the yes/no question do they want to be removed from the C24 listing.
That would have to be accepted by the UN surely?
What about having a C24 in/out vote for all the BoT's on the C24 list. Where they can all vote if they want to be removed from the listing.
It would be something if they all said they didn't want anything to do with the C24.
I guess the Russian President's comments could be desribed in the context of “Well he would say that woiuldn't he?” But by sucking up to tin pot little governments like Argentina's he has exposed just how isolated and ineffectual the once mighty Russia has become.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Zathras
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The usual route is through a General Assembly vote - at least that's how Hong Kong and Macau (while they were being administered by the UK and Portugal respectively) made it off of the list, at the request of China (another member of the crooked-enough-to-hide-behind-a-spiral-staircase committee).
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was the UK government that added the Falklands to C24. If so, hilarious.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is quite clearly a territory dispute, ICJ would take 10 minutes to throw it out. Hence Argentina is trying to con the world as some poor, remaining victim of wicked Inglish 19th century colianism. This is all about Argentina's dysfunctional, neurological condition. They have no history to be pround of. Some mythical territorial conquest is one of the few things that unites them.
“ I am going to call a toast in the name of, as you put it, a world without double discourse ... where the international rights are the same for everyone and applied the same way everywhere”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except that according to Argentina the Islanders don't have any rights, and don't apply those rights to the islanders-therefore if you don't uphold international rights CFK, we don't have to negotiate-without the Islanders present. Back to the drawing board and the scratched record-g'dum, g'dum, g'dum.
What Putin really said was “I have just had a private meeting with TMBOA and experienced the worst blow job imaginable. So fuck the Malvinas, I'm out of here”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Colonisation is a dark cloud over the 20th and 19th centuries and something that should be totally wiped out,” she said.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0...... and Mr Putin shuffled uncomfortably in his seat - this gaucho assault on his nation was almost too much to bear.
Not exactly effusive was it.....just enough to worm his way into a deal on Vaca Muerte. How long until there are Russian assets in this region to “keep the peace” ?
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but what were Putin,s exact words? Not the Arg version of them. Lots of nations call for talks to resolve the dispute - a fair neutral position - not quite the same as what the Argies always try to twist the words around into though!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just as a matter of interest, how many UN resolutions has Russia ignored? Or does it just veto them? How many international laws does argieland breach? And why does it scream blue murder when told it's an international criminal?
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a message for Mr Putin from the British heartland. “Get stuffed, you two-faced git”.
Someone who thinks that the world is a judo mat, and another thinks that it is a catwalk.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0So how exactly does the illegal invasion of Afghanistan,
Jul 14th, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by Russia in 1979 square with what was said.
I wish to say some of ICJ at Hague.....
Jul 14th, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First, it´s a not authentic court where the weight of the evidence will be taken on account.....it´s a mixed political/legal court where always they take some of the real owners to be gifted to the claimer so it can feel it won some......This court never give a veredict complete on one side or another because it´s politically unpolite to do so .....That way the reclaimed country will always lose some part of its territory.......We, the Chileans, have expeirenced it with the last veredict it gave when Peru claimed for waters ruled by signed Treaties from 1952 and 1954.......
Second, the ICJ don´t have competence to see over treaties signed before the constitution of itself on 1948....so this case can´t be submitted to it and it must declare itself as incompetent if any part requires its action......
That´s the reason in this opportunity we have decided, as a country, not to accept the ICJ competence, to reject the Bolivian claim at all and keep fulfilling the in force 1904 Treaty clausses as well as we have been doing up to today.....
If not, we will be ready awaitng for the Bolivian navy........
The very fact that Putin endorses Argentina's claim shows how ridiculous it is!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Vlad,
Jul 14th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0already talked to the Republic of Narnia about the sovereignty of the Falklands and agreements were made regarding fisheries, flights and hydrocarbons. All of these agreements were voided by one ''Nestor Kirchner'' in 2007. It's as Ban Ki-Moon said in 2013, 'I don't think Security Council Members are in breach of any ''relevant'' UN resolutions.'
CFK probably said “It's good to talk”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putin replied “Yes”
and Timerman wrote down “Russia calls for UK to submit to UNGA Resolution”
#21 oh yes judge your enemies by the friends they keep.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not forgetting Russia invaded Poland at the beginning of the war, something they like people to forget.
And I think they invaded Crimea rather more recently too, didn't they ??
Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Putin sees a political opportunity.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, recent events are still fresh in Europe. He can say anything he likes, at any opportunity he finds, but when he opens his mouth, all one hears is “ Ukraine annexation. ”
Putin is entitled to say what he wants but I really think he should sit down and talk to the Chechens instead of killing them year in year out.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what ukraine annexation??!! He has taken back CRIMEA which was always Russian.Besides who overthrew the elected government in Ukraine??
Jul 14th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't the UK tell Spain when they were hatching their plot with Argentina at UN against us that, “we will judge you by the company you keep”.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Russia is about as popular as mud in Europe right now, it seems logical that he would be looking elsewhere for friends and telling those friends what they want to hear.
Still if Putin wanted to mix the pot he could have easily said that we had to give Argentina the islands, whereas, like everyone else that meets her he just muttered the usual diatribe.
Perhaps he knows who the fastest growing economy is in the G7 right now and how much Russian money is tied up in London. I think he chose his words carefully.
@20 Didn't the ICJ rule on the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile? I'm pretty sure this pre-dated 1948.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that UN (Bank Ki Moon) have declared that the UK are not in breach of any of its resolutions hasn't stopped Argentina trying to press its case - even though it has jurisdiction on territorial disputes which existed prior to its establishment.
What is your view on the islanders rights on grounds of prescription alone? Also, the 1850 Treaty of Settlement?
@28. But he hasn't managed “Ukraine annexation”, has he? Just Crimea. And the history if Crimea says it was “given” to Ukraine. So Russia “gave” a territory, and its people, to Ukraine. Did it ask? And then, without sitting down with the government of Ukraine, it decided to take Crimea back. Let's draw some parallels. The British discovered the Falklands FIRST. Some jealous places, France, spain, argieland, tried to steal them. Didn't succeed. The French, who are cowards anyway, gave in to the spanish. The spanish, who are also cowards, tried to use what it thought was overwhelming force. Unfortunately, the British really did have overwhelming force. So the spanish caved. Argies, being hereditary cowards, tried to sneak in. Failed, failed and failed. Then the 20th century dawned. After bending and enjoying the attention of Hitler, argieland thought that the withdrawal of ONE ship gave it an opportunity. Imagine the surprise when over 100 vessels set sail from the United Kingdom. Just a little “expedition” to teach a tenth-rate bunch of incompetent cowards what a real nation can do. An aggressor a few hundred miles away with loads of “reinforcements”. A defender 8,000 miles away despatching 10,000 troops and 28 aircraft. The “aggressor” lost 4 times as many aircraft. And SIXTY times as many “troops”. BUT, going back, Russia didn't manage alone, did it? It had to have American, British, Canadian help. The “result”? Two wannabes. Russians didn't beat Napoleon or Hitler. Snow and ice did that. Argies have never “beaten” anyone. Even 1806/7, light British expeditionary forces were defeated by the French. Before the French forgot how to fight. The French flag is pure white. The argie flag is pure white, a couple of blue bits to indicate oceans and a yellow bit right in the middle!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who the hell does Putin think he is to urge any country to do anything ?? If there's ever been a master of double standards it's Russia...but then again, it's what Cristina wanted to hear, and Putin obliged.... it was, presumably, his entry fee for membership to Cristina's exclusive 'BJ' club.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Spanish and Portuguese colonialism in the 16th and 17th centuries? Doesn't that count? Anyone would think that modern day Argentina came into existence exactly as the state is now constituted. Why do Aregentineans (and other S. Americans) choose to forget that their country came into existence as a result of colonialism and the displacement and subjugation of pre-existing populations?
Jul 14th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two words mr putin.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PISS OFF.
This is great news!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the Soviet Union ... oops! sorry, Russia as a close friend there can be no doubt that The Sov... Russia will help it's close friend Argentina by paying the 1.5 billion US dollars Argentina owes to holdouts according to New York law. Problem solved :-D
One tends to think that CFK is burning her candle at both ends,
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and will get herself or others severely burnt.
@33
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a weird double standard.
The world agreed in 1945 that self-determination was the only way, forget the past and those who live in whatever territory get to decide their own fate.
The caveat was territorial integrity.
So, from that moment, all Argentines of European decent were just as Argentine as the indigenous, all Canadians, all Australians, all south Africans....etc
The Falklands are on the C24 list because the islanders are neither independent nor voters in a UK election....it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Argentina. They are on the same list as Pitcairn and Bermuda and St Helena etc etc....nothing to do with Argentina.
Argentinas only claim would be a disruption of territorial integrity, which is ludicrous. The islands were never part of Argentina, and were onlya disputed part of the Viceroyaly in the same way Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia or Argentina were...and Patagonia never was.
Quite simply, Argentina never had a case.
No historic case
no moral case
no geographic case
No legal case
The idea that Britain since 1945 is any way colonialist is a joke. 1/4 of the surface of the planet has been peacefully decolonised (unlike the fall of either the French or Spanish Empires).
Those areas which remain on the C24 list, do so as there is no better answer. Could they all vote in the Falmouth and Camborne constituency next time round as some token effort...yep...and by the rules of the C24 they'd have to come of the list.
That's how pathetic it all is.
Some say Britain has a stronger sovereignty case. Fact is, Argentina has a sovereignty claim without a sovereignty case. Pathetic. If anyone wants to outline Argentina's sovereignty case, please do, xo I can destroy your pathetic argument. Lol. Waiting...
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hector Timerman told the UN special committee on decolonisation the UK's refusal to “fulfil its obligations to negotiate” over the Islands' sovereignty ...”
Jul 15th, 2014 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina insists that any negotiations end with them getting sovereignty, which means they don't want negotiation, but capitulation.
They want to be given sovereignty over islands that they have undeniably *never* had legitimate claim or title to, against the wishes and interests of the legitimate inhabitants of those islands.
The UN also required that any negotiation take into account the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands. Argentina immaturely refuses the Islanders to represent their interests during negotiations, even running scared when the Islanders were present a couple of years ago.
That said, given they had intended to ethnically cleanse the islands, I do not believe they can truthfully claim to consider the Islander's interests.
It is not Britain that refuses to negotiate, but Argentina. Argentina refuses to negotiate in good faith, demanding the outcome unjustifiably favour them.
Argentina needs to either accept that it is unacceptable to demand sovereingty as the only outcome of negotiations, and talk in good faith, with the possible outcome of them relinquishing their claim.
The only other fair compromise is for Argentina to acknowledge that their claim is a lie, as we all know too well, and drop their claim themselves.
28 Aussie -
Jul 15th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is “Ukraine annexation.” as stated.
The Crimea peninsula was a part of the Ukraine, and not only the Black Sea fleet base. It was forcibly annexed by Russia, as we all saw online and television.
At the moment the newly elected Ukrainian government is trying to prevent more territory from being forcibly taken and annexed along with the Crimea. If you don't think this is a trend, then ask Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania for starters what they think, and if they are concerned.
Who caused the uprising in the Ukraine ? It is the same person that held talks in Russia with Mr. Yanukovych telling him not to join the EU, or his natural gas supplies would be cut off. Mr. Putin.
At the moment Argentina needs friends, given the excellent diplomatic and economic skills they have to ruin the country, upset their creditors, and neighbours.
Mr. Putin, in light of his CONTINUED aggression in the Ukraine, has an image problem, and he also needs friends. And in his eyes what better fruit to be picked than those ripening in Latin America. But remember that Russia always feels more secure if they have enemies rather than friends, as it serves to justify what they do.
@28. Spanish Sunshine Russia and the Ukraine have both signed the Helsinki Accord that confirms the inviolability of Europe's borders and that 'borders in Europe can only be changed 'with consent.' PS that includes Gib.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#28: “He has taken back CRIMEA which was always Russian. Besides who overthrew the elected government in Ukraine??”
Jul 15th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting analogy, aussiesunshine. Let’s look at the history of Crimea.
Until the 1800s it was not part of any nation. It was populated mainly by Tatars with some Ukranians in the north.
During the 1800s it became part of Russia. From this point, ethnic Russians started to move there in numbers, eventually replacing the indigenous population (especially when many were expelled by Stalin)
Crimea remained in Russia until 1954 when it was given to Ukraine, though both, of course, were in the USSR.
So, we have:
- A territory which was seized by Russia, by force
- A territory where the native population was displaced and replaced by an implanted population
- And you support the right of self-determination of this implanted population in seized territory
You do realise, of course, that by endorsing the Russians rights in Crimea, you inherently support the right of self-determination of the people of Gibraltar?
#41 Unfortunately I don't think we can hind behind the Helsinki Accord in this case. Articles III and IV were broken during the breakup of Yugoslavia and subsequently the NATO supported secession of Kosovo from Serbia.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I, like any other sensible person, know that the situation in Crimea is very different from Kosovo and Russia's action were atrocious. But it surely doesn't really surprise anyone does it? Look at World War II, the USSR began as a co-belligerent of the Germans and was the only major state to make significant territorial gains. Clearly they haven't changed.
Utter Puffery. Putin knows for sure that the UK would never change its policy on the Falkland Islands just because HE spouts some platitudes for Cristina.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He knows the value of the statement. Worthless.
Cristina you vain, deluded fool, Putin is just using you as he is feeling lonely. He will soon leave you stranded when it suits him.!
But did he say it, or is Argentina saying it on his behalf as usual!
Jul 15th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still one of the 40 countries that voted with Argentina at the UNGA in 2008, which included 22 Latin countries.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until Argentina can add to the 18 non-Latin countries, this is a non-starter.
None of the 62 voting with the UK have yet publicly changed their minds.
Argentina can lie about global support or some such, but the UK has the majority.
@28 Aussiesunshittee...“what ukraine annexation??!! He has taken back CRIMEA which was always Russian ”....“always” ???
Jul 15th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You definitely aren't the sharpest pencil in the draw, are you ?? Just fyi, Crimea was “given” to Ukraine in the early 50's by the loud-mouthed Nikita Kruschev......at the time, it made no difference as it was all part of the USSR.... Crimea remained with the Ukraine when the USSR crumbled...but Nikita didn't see that coming, did he ??
As long as democracy and freedom of choice is available then the islanders have the fundamental right to choose,
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This they have done,
So it matters not what any other country thinks, nothing will change the fact, they wish to remain British, and Britain will fight to protect that right.
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Putin says Britain should sit down and talk to resolve the dispute.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no dispute. It has been resolved, in 1982 and with the referendums.
Nothing to talk about. Shut up and sod off!
Assuming Putin said this (and I'm not convinced until I hear it from an independent source) then he should be reminded that this dispute was resolved on 14 June 1982.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuff said.
Hear hear! @50
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the necessity” to find a solution to the 200-year-old feud”
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is-you let the people born on the Islands decide what happens to themselves.
agreed.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Colonisation is a dark cloud over the 20th and 19th centuries and something that should be totally wiped out,” she said.
Jul 17th, 2014 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, Cristina KIRCHNER FERNANDEZ should just eff off back to Europe then?
”Argentina's foreign minister Hector Timerman told the UN special committee on decolonisation the UK's refusal to “fulfil its obligations to negotiate”
The UK doesn't have any 'obligations' in that dept. Tosser! Nothing to negotiate, unless you want a repeat of 1982, but this time we have a re-match in BA? Only fair, you would have 'home advantage' and we get to invade you?
Could sell more tickets to that than any World Cup!
Why don't Argentina just break up into 3 regions,
Jul 17th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And leave the honest peaceful islanders alone.
Good idea Briton, they might become more successful and happier that way.
Jul 17th, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irrespective of what Putin says the Malvinas will be returned within the next 25 years.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hah hahaha
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that is what you said 2 years ago!
@57
Jul 19th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas (Falkland Islands you mean), they will not be returned because there is no recipient for them to be returned to: the islands never in their history belonged to Argentina.
I am Brazilian not English and I can say that no one likes Argentineans in South America, that is why you can fly from London to Falkland islands via Chile, as the chileans clearly support the English.
Despite of whatever south american governments do or say (as some governments do accepts Argentinean handouts for support), you can name any country in south america and you will see that whichever you pick, its people dislike Argentineans just as much as the Falkland islanders do.
They are the South American Nazis: arrogant, sense of superiority, controlling, etc. This mentality comes from the fact that Argentina was the country which most accepted Nazi fugitives in the world, so their legacy is visible even today.
Their only basis to claim the islands is based on proximity and proximity alone, in that case, why stop with the Falkland islands? Might just as well claim Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Brazil which are all near.
They don't really care about what the islanders want just like an Argentinean once told me that the islanders are pirates, pirates are not people, so therefore they don't care about what they want. So what's the point for Britain to engage in a dialogue with people like that since not even sense you can get from them?
I feel sorry for the islanders as Argentina tries its hardest to isolate them from trade so they either accept Argentinean control or starve. They call themselves a democratic nation. Democratic in arrogance that is.
57@
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0apparently you believe to much what your deluded corrupt incompetent leaders tell you,
Perhaps you also believe that Argentina will control all the land and islands between Argentina and Antarctica,
perhaps you also believe that Argentina will one day,, rule south America,
seems to us, you would believe aliens are landing, if CFK told you so....lol
Sorry Mr Putin our country doesn't have much of a history for taking advice from thuggish, idiot dictators and we ain't about to start. Maybe you can take some free advice from us instead.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about this? Why don't you try some self control, stop being such a murderous dick before you complete the self destruction of your own country.
@57 Hepatitis
Jul 19th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Irrespective of what Putin says the Malvinas will be returned within the next 25 years”.
Hippy, do us all a favour : keep your brainless opinions to yourself.
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/07/14/falklands-putin-calls-on-uk-to-sit-and-talk-with-argentina-to-resolve-the-dispute#comment339491: So you lordship (you are a Brazilian lord, I take it) you will understand that Brazil can dominate Argentina but not the UK. It follows that whether you like Argentina or not is irrelevant.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63,
Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After previously saying that no one in South America would support Argentina because people from South America dislike Argentines just as much as the Falklanders do due to their arrogance and sense of superiority that they inherited from years of sheltering World War Nazis. You are now telling me that Brazil can dominate Argentina and not the UK because ???
Can you actually read English? Because what you're saying is making no sense with what I am writing.
Clearly no one wants to dominate no one, the only exceptions in the world are Russia and Argentina. So Cristina and Putin may just as well sleep together and make sweet love because both would take over the world if they could so why not share the dream in bed?
Is it okay for Argentina to want to dominate and colonise The Falkland Islands?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say, NO.
Not really a problem tho. Winter is coming...
Brrr....
No light or heat, soon no Internet. The trolls will be dormant, the Argentine Gov. will fall.
But hopefully the kids will keep learning English, and eventually they will understand the truth.
@63
Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll probably be asking Putin why his lap dogs in Ukraine shot down a civilian airliner, not talking with Argentina.
...“Vladimir Putin has got involved in the Falkland Islands row, urging Britain it must sit down with Argentina ..........”
Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what he says, Putin's credibility os a big fat zero!
At the moment, Mr. Putin looks sheepish, and seemingly has been robbed of words.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps it is just as well. No one is listening to him any longer.
@63
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another point: I've never said I dislike Argentina since you twist my words. I only said what you already know that South America even Mexico dislike Argentina.
I'm sure there is place for Argentineans in this world, and this place would be Russia.
@69
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't bother. Hepatia is a crappy troll with several screen-names. One of which is 'britishbomber' . He also appears under other aliases,
Complete waste of time.
@ 69 Hepatitis is infected by a hatred of all things British. Like the sufferer of an infectious disease he is incapable of seeing beyond his own very narrow paradigm but, instead, falls back on stinking thinking.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/07/14/falklands-putin-calls-on-uk-to-sit-and-talk-with-argentina-to-resolve-the-dispute#comment339608: Its quite simple. Look at an atlas.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@70, @71
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK. I won't bother.. But I don't really know what he's trying to achieve here? Is he trying to convince a brit that the islands are Argentinean ? Even if he accomplishes that, the islands would still be British regardless of anyone thinks here. Why waste so much time here?
This decolonisation they're talking about is so much crap... Like I said before, I am not English. I am Brazilian and when I was at school in geography lessons in Brazil, we debated this subject several times, it every time we had debates, it all came down to everyone agreeing that the UK has the right to own the islands. Because the islands are not and never were a colony in order to be decolonized. They were empty, no other country cared about those islands (not even Argentina), then the English came and settled there. So the English are the native settlers of the Falkland islands and Argentina wants the islands since they found out they have oil.
It's the same with French Suriname. French Suriname belongs to France and it bothers Brazil at the north. It's where the EU space agency launches rockets, the french language is spoken there and the currency is the Euro.
French Suriname was empty and the French went there and settled there just like the English with the Falkland islands. The French identity is so strong, that even given an option of independence in a referendum they decided to remain part of France, just like the Falklanders did with the UK.
Do you see Brazil or some other neighbouring country disputing sovereignty of French Suriname claiming the French shouldn't own the place because they're far away and they are so near, or it needs to be decolonized? No. All countries close to French Suriname respect the wishes of its people to remain part of France and even during meetings of South American nations, France also participates or is represented.
You will never be able to reason with Argentina, they need money so they need the oil so there is no reasoning, just greed.
73 LordLinderman (#)
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Precisely! People have been trying to explain THAT to the Argentines for years!
Thank you Sir!
@74
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I second that!
@73 LordLinderman, exactly....geographical proximity is no basis for annexation...but seems both Putin and CFK think differently.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putin is just a major world embarrassment at the moment.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shooting down Far Eastern passenger airliners is just too much for the world.
Just like Gadaffi, Libya and the Lockerbie incident. Perhaps he should suffer the same fate as Gadaffi.
@74, @75, @76,
Jul 20th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's no point in explaining anything to Argentineans.
All Argentineans know they have no case for the islands because they know they never owned it. They may well act stupid coming up with any possible excuse for owning them but that's because they want the oil. They still don't give a shit about the islands themselves, their land claim is just a disguise for the oil.
The thing is Argentina was built by the Nazis. Its democratic face is just a shell:
Why did Argentina Accept Nazi War Criminals After World War Two?
http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thehistoryofargentina/a/Why-Did-Argentina-Accept-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-World-War-Two.htm
“”Argentina was full of Nazi spies and Argentine officers and diplomats held important positions in Axis Europe. Perón's government was a big fan of the fascist trappings of Nazi Germany: spiffy uniforms, parades, rallies…and vicious anti-Semitism. Many influential Argentines, including wealthy businessmen and members of the government, were openly supportive of the Axis cause, none more so than Perón himself, who had served as an adjunct officer in Benito Mussolini's Italian army in the late 1930's. Although Argentina would eventually declare war on the Axis powers (a month before the war ended) it was partly a ploy to get Argentine agents in place to help defeated Nazis escape after the war.“”
With such a solid Nazi foundation, it's no surprise they want to own something they never had. Their arrogance thanks to years of Nazi sheltering, is felt even today, that is one of the reasons as to why South Americans dislike Argentineans.
Argentina, Russia, North Korea: all the same thing.
@72
Jul 21st, 2014 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Its quite simple. Look at an atlas”
So simple, that you are incapable at looking at other parts of the atlas worldwide.
Alaska is Canadian?
Faroe Islands are British?
Jersey is French?
Sri Lanka is Indian?
Cuba belongs to the USA?
French Surinam belongs to Brazil?
It's quite simple, look at an atlas.
72@
Jul 21st, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hep hep hurray...lol
I'm totally fu*king confused here.... So is he saying the 'right to self determination' is right (Russian position on Ukraine) or is he saying it's wrong because he supports the Argentine position on the 'Malvinas'...which would undermine his own position on the Crimean/East Ukraine situation...? Is it me or is this the most ridiculous statement?.... It's no wonder these two get on, they're both as fu*king deranged as each other.
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73 & 79
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0French Surinam? You mean French Guiana. Suriname is an independent state that used to be Dutch Surinam, and talking about Dutch territories, Aruba and Curacao are still Dutch. To be added to the proximity list
Poor old Russia,
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0guess this is one naughty bear that is going to find himself skinless lol.
@82,
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I meant French Guiana, got the names mixed up. Suriname is the neighbouring country alongside Brazil. Thanks for the correction.
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