MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
China extends a 'financial' hand to dollar and credit strapped Argentina
Argentina signed deals on Friday to borrow 7.5 billion dollars from China at a time when Buenos Aires cannot access global capital markets because of disputes over unpaid debt. Beijing also extended a three-year agreement for an 11bn swap operation between the central banks of Argentina and China. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDealing with NOT paying back the Chinese Yuan will be far more painful ,than not paying back the Yankee dollar. Argentina's government is consistantly like a thick teenager......it learns very very slowly and painfully.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rule one for Argentina....
Never get into bed with the Chinese !
Poor little argieland. CFK is about to screw you again. Next year she will be a dustcloud in the middle distance disappearing with your money. There's no telling exactly how much she's stolen. US$20 million? But that's only 50 cents each, isn't it? Little bit of research shows what she did when she went abroad. Where do you think her new palace will be? Where could she go where no country could extradite her? Has she figured the cost of security “forces” sufficient to negate “extraordinary rendition”. How many countries likely to be willing to use special forces to get her?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, she'll have spent most of it. So the debt will be down to argieland. Your country is so poor you can't afford to repay $2 billion. What are you going to do about $7.5 billion?
Just a few years and China will own everything. Get out into those paddy fields!
All smiles now!
Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone believe the railway will be built? Ha, ha, ha.
With TMBOA being known as a two Yuan whore I am wondering if the Chinese git had a quick taste or why else would he have a rictus grin on his face?
BUT, and we all know there's always a but with The Dark Country, it will all end in tears.
As long as the Broad Fraud keep Uruguay away from the Chinese hordes we will be OK.
good news for Argentina!!! China where have you been all these years!!!???
Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think this loan was in u$ but in yuan and at a very high %. So I don't think it helps with the cash crunch they're having.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm....
Jul 19th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it will be interesting to see how this all pans out. ..
I wonder what China will take if the Argentines don't pay up?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably everything.
I wonder if the rail project and the dam projects will be actually managed and run by Chinese companies using Chinese workers? It's probably the only way to ensure that the money is actually spent on what it's meant to be spent on.
Oh well, perhaps this will help Argentina in the long term, but in the short term (as in 2 weeks from now) Argentina will default or pay up it's debts. Everyone's money is on the default, and I wonder if China will actually pay this money if the default occurs.
All we can do is watch and wait.
Yesterday I say you BRICS with Argentina become one stand army! Right now we are became one! 7,5 milliards not very much money, China does not wish own Argentina. We own USA 1,300 milliards, this much better for us we control west country number 1. They do tomorrow what we say.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With China running the show Argentina will go from third world to first in no matter of time......
Jul 19th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the Chinese loan, this loan is to pay for Chinese goods, a dam they are going to build and trains they are going to supply. I am pretty sure its in Yuan so the Rgs can't abscond with it. I am sure the wealth will be shared between the RG pols and the Chinese technocrats. That's a given. That's also why things cost 6-8X to build in Argentina than in the USA. IF they ever get built.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the chinese are loaning the Rgs money at 8%+ to buy their overpriced crappy products. Its a no-brainer. They can't get that rate/terms any place else in the world.
And the gov't and people praise it.
Idiocracy of Argentina
Argentina get good deal Chinese products, also money they become free of west country.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0USA get nothing only money from China, now we own west country number 1. They do tomorrow what we say.
The Monroe doctrine has come to an end........and about time too.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New doctrine is named Zemin Doctrine. China help Spanish American, also English American. America our area district of help influencing.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well let us hope that Zemin Doctrine is much better than the Monroe Doctrine...
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cheers to a long and happy relationship between South America and China..
Yes, China never make empire, never make slave the other country person, never begin world war, never drop bombs to other country person heads. West country they all do that yesterday, also do it today.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do seem to have a dim view of Argentines and now the Chinese have apparently joined your pantheon of people to hate.
You are right about one thing: the infrastructure loans will be used in part to purchase Chinese equipment for the dams and the rail system. I'm with you on wondering whether or not that's a good thing, but it is essentially the same deal China routinely makes with your dear old USA when it buys treasury bills and Americans buy Chinese goods. I guess the US deal with China is a little better because the interest rate is not so high.
As far as the convertibility of the loan money is concerned, it is in Yuan and it is not convertible. But there may be another motive for Argentina to take on this loan. It shows all parties in the current bond dispute that Argentina is serious about resolving the dispute in order to return to world credit markets.
Where did you get the idea that construction costs in Argentina are many times greater than they are in the USA? Perhaps the $ used for the peso confuses you. On your next trip to Argentina, stop in at the new terminal C at Ezeiza. There's a placard on the wall in the main concourse that shows when the terminal was constructed and at what cost. Be careful when you read it because the cost is listed in pesos, not dollars.
You are also likely correct about the possibility of Chinese and Argentine bureaucrats dipping into the funds, but the amounts that these people siphon off pale in comparison to what their USA counterparts routinely get. Argentines continually moan about the quantity of cash Cristina has amassed over the last 12 years, but her total take hardly equals that which can be gleaned by a single US congressman in just a few terms.
Let's put things in perspective and keep the insults and racism out of it.
在16
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he hate all not English American. My dear leaders right when they say to Chinese people US person think like this.
*15 well said!! the ANGLOS just LOVE wars and EMPIRES and dropping nukes on civilians.......
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people in the gov't are celebrating because they think they can use these yuan to pay imports. It's not clear whether they are convertible or not, but they can be used in an emergency. The gov't plans to use the swap this summer.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 016
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's put things in perspective and keep the insults and racism out of it.
Despite reading the post at number 10 several times im struggling to see any inults or racism, perhaps you can highlight them for me?
Let's put things in perspective and deal in facts!
Borrow money? WRONG! The 7.5 billions is not cash money, is just a credit to buy Chinese goods mainly for companies with an strong chinese presence like “Belgrano Cargas” (railroad). The 11 bn swap will be an exchange in bonds. Argentina will receive bonds in yuan and could use them as a guarantee to get dollars if a bank (any bank worldwide) acept yuans as guarantee.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being such an ignorant as I am, please, I beg anyone to enlighten me about wich banks are glad receiving yuans, a third class money instead of dollars or euros.
@17 “An oppressive government is more to be feared than a tiger.”
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confucius
苛政更要擔心猛於虎。
孔子
16. Could you point out my racism ? I am at a loss.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not confused with Peso vs U$. It is infinitely more expensive in REAL and Peso terms and projects take a much longer time in Argentina than the USA.
I will point you recent examples but there are many many many more, my absolute FAVORITE is the rebuilding of the ICE breaker, that's my FAVORITE example of HUGE corruption and yet nobody cares. You can't buy bullets or fuel for your military but you can wast 10s of millions fixing fire damage on a ship that could have been bought for new and for cheaper YEARS ago. My next favorite is the gas pipeline to Bolivia. I doubt that will ever get done. What's it been a decade?
Sheesh you are an idiot.
@22
Jul 19th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahaha! Like your style!
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Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0孔子 very wise. He understand but west country people like England person, French person, Italian person, or German person not understand. Heavy hand government in west country many long year now. West government go make war, go send children of west country at middle east country then die; west government go pay rich person with poor person bowl of money, because rich person may not sacrifice, only poor person sacrifice.
In China we become together for the good wind of life, stand together for the bad wind of life. West country rich person always win, poor person always lose. Also both rich with poor person heavy hand government underneath it. Have no right, cannot say no to war, bad tax ,etc.
Apparently china never had an empire, never attacked anyone and aren't aggressive....try telling that to the Vietnamese.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0在26
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We too get wrong, other people weigh heavy when we get wrong. But then we meditate, reach beautiful purity point, later get correct. West country person cannot get correct, because they never think get wrong. Any thing.
@26
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or the Tibetans. Or the Taiwanese.
Ahhhhh , the Chinese and Argentinians have quite alot in common.....alter history to suit current circumstances
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 025
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's no use dropping the definite article in the first paragraph...then forgetting and using it in the second.....be consistent.....
There is no definite article in Chinese, closest you would get to one in Chinese would be this and that....so if you had written....“this/that good wind of life” or this/that bad wind of life, it may have appeared more credible...;-)
...Who you...girl?..boy?...........this time...;-)
@16
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Let's put things in perspective and keep the insults and racism out of it.”
I have re-read the posts and fail to find any racism there. To call a NATION feckless or there government idiots is not racism.
“The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:
Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism
Maybe if he had said ”all white Argentines are bad/all black Argentines are bad” you might have a case.
He didn't. The Argentine Gov. is not a race.
So, no racism from yankeeboy, just an opinion. In my experience I have never known YB to be racist.
hope that helps
Oh, and @28 Hans:
@27 is a fake. Don't bother. I have emailed a few posts to one of my British-born Chinese friends who is fluently bi-lingual English/Chinese (Mandarin & Cantonese), is highly-educated and works in the City of London (financial district).
She says this is utter rubbish. Obviously fake.
Hope that helps too!
@27 “West country person cannot get correct, ” that sounds a bit racist, arf!!!
Time to grow-up troll! Or just piss orf!
在3o
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? I too learn study, just now noticed pointed out Chinese-English's grammar list you say. I try use now definite article but if my writing very fast I forget.
I was wondering where TIT had got to ! Now he is Chinese ?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must go first now. You all take care.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 20 & 23
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me, I think racism may have been the wrong term. When people routinely make insulting remarks about one group of people or another, I tend to interpret that as racism. Since you made an insulting remark to me (”Sheesh you are an idiot.), without knowing who I am or where I'm from, you are probably not a racist, but something else. What would I call a person who routinely denigrates people he doesn't like in a public forum? I'm afraid I can't think of a polite term. What would you suggest? You may have suggested it already.
Your rebuilding of the icebreaker and constructing the pipeline examples do not prove your point. Your point was that costs in Argentina are many times higher than in the US. Perhaps you are too young to remember the famous $2,000 toilet seats for the Pentagon. When that was exposed, it was then discovered to have just been the tip of the iceberg. The US government does its best to hide evidence of fraud and corruption in expenditure of public funds, but even with a compliant media enough examples are made public to suggest that the US Department of Defense leads the world in waste of public funds. If you don't believe me, try finding out what happened to $9,700,000,000.00 in Defense Department funds that was earmarked for Iraqi reconstruction. You can also look around for five dozen missing fighter planes or 32 tanks and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units but you won't find them except in a dusty GAO report. Argentina cannot even begin to match corruption of that scale.
Admittedly, lots of things in Argentina are not done up to US standard, but corruption is not one of them.
Somebody might bring up the perception of corruption index here to try to prove that Argentina is more corrupt, but remember that the index measures perception. Argentines are much more aware of and sensitive to public corruption than people in the USA who generally think its OK to let corporations buy their government.
Nosegay DID get a job at a Chinese supermarket! I do hope he stocks up while he access to food. And toilet paper.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruption is no worse in Argentina than in the US, UK, the EU or anywhere else. The differences are how well covered up the corruption is and how it directly affects you in your day to to day life.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see you can admit that wasn't the right term.
”Excuse me, I think racism may have been the wrong term. When people routinely make insulting remarks about one group of people or another, I tend to interpret that as racism. Since you made an insulting remark to me (”Sheesh you are an idiot.), without knowing who I am or where I'm from, you are probably not a racist, but something else. What would I call a person who routinely denigrates people he doesn't like in a public forum?“
So, just call him an arsehole then? hehe!
I'm sure he can handle it.
”Somebody might bring up the perception of corruption index ” Yup, ok, I'll take that one.
The perception of ONE country's corruption not only about how their OWN people view it, or how sensitive they are to it, but also how other countries, businesses, country analysts (who track the movement of money, amongst other things), and individual, independent entities such as Transparency International view it.
So it doesn't really matter how the Argentines view it, on their own. It most certainly doesn't matter if the USA is more or less corrupt than Argentina. This has no direct bearing on the amount of corruption in Argentina. How does the price of toilet seat paid for by the Pentagon relate to corruption in Argentina? Unless they were Argentine toilet seats?
:)
Just saying, yes we are bad, but you are worse, doesn't make you any less bad. The level of 'badness' (corruption in this case), stays the same for both countries.
This is just funny;
“Argentina cannot even begin to match corruption of that scale.
Admittedly, lots of things in Argentina are not done up to US standard, but corruption is not one of them.”
Will they try and catch up soon?
The article is about Argentina and the Chines Gov. Not about the US.
Hope that helps!
“I wonder what China will take if the Argentines don't pay up?”
Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's probably a secret protocol giving China a long-term lease in the Malvinas Islands.
@38
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, thank you. It helps.
I did mean my last comment to be amusing. I'm glad somebody got it.
You might guess from my comments that I'm not a big fan of governments and their corrupt ways.....any government whether Argentina's or the USA.
Yes the article is about the new Chinese loan money. That's a sad thing for Argentina too. More money and another country making loans is just more fodder for waste and corruption again.
“Yes, China never make empire, never make slave the other country person, never begin world war, never drop bombs to other country person heads. West country they all do that yesterday, also do it today.”
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try telling them that in Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia or Manchuria, 鼻孔.
Mind you- as the examples of “God's Chinese Son”, Hong Xiuquan and Mao Tse Tung show- the Chinese are even more murderous with their fellow-countrymen.
The loan is in Chinese renminbi, which can only be used to buy Chinese goods and services, as the renminbi is not convertible.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck to Argentina - they will certainly need it to survive los chinos.
@40
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yes the article is about the new Chinese loan money. That's a sad thing for Argentina too. More money and another country making loans is just more fodder for waste and corruption again.”
I agree.
More 'hotels' for Cristina for all the Chinese technicians et al to 'reside' in... She will be getting a few backhanders from this deal whilst sinking her country into more unpayable debt.
Sad.
Wait till Mr Xi Jinping arrives in Venezuela, the Boligarchs are ready to hand him the country on a plate just to trouser a few million $$.
The Scum that they are.
It does seem TTT's new persona didn't last long.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC...
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice picture of the Kionic Woman and the 20,000,000,000 million dollars man .........;-)
http://news.yahoo.com/china-announces-heavy-investments-argentina-071608537.html
(40) El Polaco
Always nice to read the comments of other “Thinking” Argies....
@44
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, seems that way! Any news on his creepy website?
I hope not.
On the subject of creepy, recent photos of Cristina show her as more and more 'doll-like'. This woman is 61!
Older women can be naturally beautiful, why this level of surgery etc.?She is starting to look freaky. I wouldn't normally mention a politician's appearance as normally it should have no bearing on their ability. But I do queestion her sanity, insecurity, and focus, when taken to such an extreme.
Quite disturbing.
We love to long time, she utters,
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice girly, he stutters,
money, money , money, my nice Chinese friend,
together we roll roll roll, she utters
yes please be my homey Barbie doll ,while he gasps for his breath,
in a nut shell, he has what she wants,
she has what he can only dream for...lol
@ 39
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina can't pay its debt to China, the Chinese will probably sell the debt to Paul Singer.
@43
I'm not so sure Cristina will have much opportunity to skim off the new Chinese loan money. My sense of things here in Argentina is that the people here are fed up with her and her government, but they are pretty hopeless about what to do about that except wait for next October when they can try on a new group of rascals. Some people think that defaulting at the end of this month might be a good thing. All the financial prognosticators up north are saying that the economic consequences of a new default would not be near as bad as the 2001 debacle. Argentines are aware of this and so many think that a default might be the best way to get the current crowd out of the Casa Rosada so we can start over again, this time from a stronger place. That's why the new Chinese debt is really sad news because it will be one more millstone on the neck of the next Argentine president.
@48
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some interesting comments. I'm curious...
“I'm not so sure Cristina will have much opportunity to skim off the new Chinese loan money.”
Why?
Is it because the loans will be in reminbi? What about suitcases full of US$? I heard she likes them. Got one from Chavez during the elections if I recall? Someone found it in the toilets or something?
Or did you mean something else?
When you say “All the financial prognosticators up north ...”
did you mean in Argentina, or globally?
I'm interested in
“Argentines are aware of this and so many think that a default might be the best way to get the current crowd out of the Casa Rosada so we can start over again, this time from a stronger place.”
How widespread is this?
Also;
“the new Chinese debt is really sad news because it will be one more millstone on the neck of the next Argentine president.”
I have to disagree. In my opinion it will be one more millstone on the neck of the Argentine taxpayer. No?
@49
Jul 19th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina will not be in office long enough. She has 15 months left at most.
As for the financial prognosticators, I'm referring to all those in the know folks who are interviewed by the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal for their opinions on what will happen to the Argentine debt crisis. Lately, these people have been offering the opinion that Argentina can survive a default without much more than a prolongation of the current recession.
As for how widespread this opinion might be among Argentines, I can't say. My own perspective is quite narrow as I live quite far from Buenos Aires. It's probably not fair for me to put out the opinion of my neighbors as representative of all Argentines.
I can almost agree with your opinion about the debt being a problem for Argentine taxpayer. While most people here do their best to avoid paying any tax at all costs, the government does have ways to tax us. The current set of currency regulations may be one of the top three sources of tax revenue in Argentina even though it is not officially a tax. So if you say that the result of a default on Chinese debt will cause a greater imbalance in currency exchange rates, then yes, the taxpayers will suffer.
@45 Think.....
Thanks for the compliment. I've enjoyed some of your posts as well. I only got involved here this time because I was annoyed by the gratuitous insults that some of these commentators habitually hand out. I think I did well because the insults seem to have died off and I've been lately only answering people with real questions. Now that civility seems to have been restored, I think I'll say so long for now.
@50
Jul 19th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your reponse and clarifications. Very interesting.
I look forward to your return.
All the best!
Toby, mines egg foo yung, flied lice and prawn crackers… how long 10 minutes OK! Fake Aussie/Toby/Think can you beat that?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 47 Briton
Jul 19th, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL!
Rather him than me.
yay! Tobi has a job at the Chinese food take-away! Go Tobes!
Jul 19th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A brave new step into the real world. Welll Done!
If the mentality of the Argentinian Government, and the character of its electorate, both do not change, then can this Chinese enterprise succeed?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55, hmm..., the reality is:
Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As in Africa, the Chinese Gov will send in its own people to construst the dams/railways whatever...
China increases its global profile as being a benevolent power. Argentina loses status. Argentina loses political/economic power in the region.
Many materials/technology will only be available from China. This is normal when doing business with the Chinese.
Argentina loses control of the situation. The Chinese win status as being autonomous within Argentina.
The loans will only be made in the Chinese currency, so they (Argentina, in this case), can only spend the money on Chinese products.
China wins money through trade, Argentina loses money, because it is forced to trade with China, with their money, at their rates, with cash borrowed from them.
Cristina gets another suitcase full of US$. She bails out and leaves it to a new Gov.
Argentina loses status, their people are now getting robbed. The World thinks they are idiots. No more global cash from international banks.
Argentina can only increase its debt to China, Again China wins.
Argentina increases its debt to China as it can't pay the first debt. China offers more debt but at a price (economically/politically).
China wins political/economic power in the region. Argentina loses power over its own internal affairs. China wins power in controlling the Argentine economy and internal politics....
China basically does a land-grab with no military involved. Clever, huh?
Is anyone else seeing a pattern here?
The mis-informed population of Argentina are having their country sold-out from under their noses and they don't even know it!
Venezuela is already half-way through the process. I have witnessed this personally. It is only going to get worse.
WAKE UP YOU FOOLS!!!!
Polaco, Your arrogance is laughable. I think it is funny when posters spout some nonsense and they they won the whole debate.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another default won't have much affect on Argentina in the short term. It just prove to the world that you are still lying deadbeat scumbag scofflaws trying to bilk people out of their hard earned money.
But the default isn't the biggest issue you have an immediate cash crunch coming. Your trade balance is seriously out of whack and there's no way for you to get U$ to pay for, oh say, fuel and food.
They are also FLOODING the economy with more worthless pesos and you'll see a HUGE spike and most likely another devaluation shortly. So you'll be dreaming of the good old days of 40% inflation.
Plus the layoffs have just begun.
Do you think business can survive waiting on U$ from their exports FOR 9 MONTHS?
And back to the default, NML and all the rest will have free reign to seize anything with a hint of Rg on it. My guess is they'll go after LNG and raw oil to make the lives of Argentinians very uncomfortable.
Frankly I can't wait.
It couldn't happen to a better bunch of people.
Well their you are Polaco, two different viewpoints, but in summary one thing.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best to get out now, if you can.
All the best,
ilsen
Ilsen,
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I accidentally posted before I was finished writing on your HopBack post.
Man, that's expensive stuff !!
I bet it tastes good. :-)
Troy, cool. no worries.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0It maybe considered a 'premium product' over here, but it is not really that expensive in relation to similar products. Cost of living is very high in London. But so is the possibility of earning a 'premium' wage/doing business I guess!
And yes, sure does taste good on a hot Summer night. yummy!
I might post this on the other thread when I find it, just because I need an excuse to open another. (had a pint in the pub and bought a couple of take-out bottles, as you do!)
link here for those that wish to know
http://www.hopback.co.uk/beer-shop/summer-lightning.html
*56 wow!! are you a witch!! You seem to see in the future like a witch!?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The consequences of being extreme deadbeats, and kleptomaniacs, and liars, really requires no crystal ball to see what is coming.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0One must be really brain dead to be blind to the train wreck that is coming.
Thank you bushpilot. It is pretty obvious where this is all going.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0-------------------------
Otherwise;
It has become increasingly obvious that ‘Aussiesunshinee' is no more than a stupid troll in a similar vein as Mendo-idiot/Keith Pork and others, and is probably the same poster.
This person has nothing of value to contribute. This idiot betrays the worst form of ignorance, the refusal to even try to understand another point of view, or to accept that others may have a higher knowledge of a given subject. Other than that, ASS, just tries to goad genuine posters.
This fool should be ignored or told to F off.
Looking forward to some good debates/knowledge sharing in the future,
Kind regards,
ilsen
If it helps Argentina to pay its debts, where's the problem. China is a wealthy Country and can afford it. In return China gets a grip on Argentina's natural resources.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is with Cristina getting Argentina into further debt it can't pay. Ultimately the Argentine people will pay this debt. Cristina is causing more unpayable debt to bail her out of the current mess. She will be dead long before the chickens come home to roost.
She is impovershing future generations.
That is where the problem is.
I suggest she is removed from power, sooner rather than later.
65
Jul 20th, 2014 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0China is taking a bet on the value of what it can extract from Argentina. In the meantime the West gets its money back. The Chinese will treat Argentina in a similar fashion to the way they treat countries in Africa - build some infrastructure in return for rights to take whatever natural resources they fancy.
US$7.5 billion does not solve all of Argentina's problems.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not even some of them.
I expect that the Chinese government won't be too pleased when the Argentineans default on any loan payments. For those who are unaware, Argentina is regarded as a pariah state by international money lenders. Very risky...
Jul 20th, 2014 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here Think....., sending from Estancia Condor Cliff, through a Chinese manufactured Galaxy Note & a Chinese manufactured Iridium Go...
Jul 20th, 2014 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC...... (and to El Polaco....;-) The above mentioned Chinese loan and currency swap are specifically earmarked for...:
1) The construction of two hydroelectric dams in the midst of the Patagonian steppe that, with little ecological impact, will cover about 15% of the Argentinean electric needs....
2) The modernisation of the Belgrano railway, some 10,000 km of already existing but neglected tracks that, without shadow of a doubt, will dramatically reduce the transport costs of our agro-mineral products, lessen the exaggerate power of our teamsters and, eventually, be the spine of the Inter-Oceanic corridor with Chile...
3) The reinforcement and shielding of the Argentinean currency reserves in case of another speculative attack from Goldman Sachs & Co......
All of them....., In this old Chubutean humble opinion, quite productive and positive investments for my Country of birth and choice......
@69
Jul 20th, 2014 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the Chinese get what out of their deal? As you are so knowledgeable I would expect an answer.
And how do you pay back the loan.....??
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me remember...loans Argie style 101
1) you have no obligation to pay back loans, it is the lenders stupid fault for lending it
2) any attempt by the lender to get his/her money is “an affront to your sovereignty”
3) if the lender is richer than Argentina, any attempt to recover his money is a rabid attack on Argentinas poor, especially children.
I am sure our Chinese freind knows all this....so what is his aim??? LOL LOL.
Don't know what everyone is griping about and what it has to do with China claiming resources....
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Chinese have struck themselves a canny deal...without doubt!
China having the contract to build, they are loaning money to pay themselves for goods and services.....bet the money never actually leaves China...
Argentina also get a good deal on both projects...Electricity generates money....
Improving the rail network reduces other costs and so saves money therefore generating money...a penny saved is a penny earned...
69 Think
....“positive investments for my Country of birth ”
....is Sweden involved....?...;-)
TWIMC
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd expect the Chinese to get a fair return for their monetary investment in Latinamerica... without gimmicks like actively undermining ANY democratic process in the Southern Cone, training Latin-American coming dictators in places like the School of the Americas or giving huge loans to military dictatorships under the premise...: “They are Sons of Bitches, but they are OUR Sons of Bitches”... as was customary of the Anglos through the fifties, sixties, seventies eighties and nineties...
Look to Venezuela to see Argentina's short term future with or without default. Venezuela hasn't defaulted, they can't keep electric running, bread riots, major Int'l business pulling out and in 2 years there won't be anyplace that will want to buy their only product.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Socialism at its very best.
(72) A_Voice
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for my delayed response.....
This Iridium link is as slow as the Internet in the early nineties....
For your kind info...., my Country of birth and choice is the same.... the one and only....: Argenchina.... ;-)))
Bahahaha you are saying your using an Iridium internet link to post on MP?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0okay sure
Bahahahaha
What a liar.
Reminds me of El Diego a bit...
I wonder why?
#72 and #73… ..except theres a Chink in tbat argument.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 076
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL.....
.....“Reminds me of El Diego a bit...”
...did you mean you were reminded of yourself....?
..tell me again...how many properties in Argentina did you have...?
...was that you that casually mentioned you were off for a dip in the pool...;-)
You rival El Diego for bragging.....
Mr Think is not known for bragging, I don't recall any posts where he has....
Whereas you......I'm spoilt for choice....
...and before you say it.....yep I do occasionally like to have a little brag myself, but not to your extent......”where's that bloody maid....where are my painters, where is my pool cleaner.....;-)
Sorry having a pool and a maid isn't anything to brag about in my world.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe in yours
I spent the whole day at the pool yesterday...ooooh ahhhh
My guess is 50% of the USA spent the day at the pool yesterday.
Having an Iridium connection to an avowed Socialist/Communist at a monthly cost of 2X the average wage in Argentina is laughable. Especially since it costs U$10 to make 1 worthless posts on MP.
Bahahahaha
(79) Fred Karl Bates (001 202 657 3XXX)
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My dear Watchington realtor...
I'm indeed using an Iridium Go link at this very moment...
Courtesy of some important guests visiting Condor Cliff at the moment...
Nice, expensivo toy that Iridium Go...
But them Chinas are loaded...
:-)))
I find it the height of hypocrisy an avowed communist is spending U$10 per post.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How sad your life must be.
BTW how do you get your U$ to pay the bill?
Don't you feel bad spending so much when 1/3 (or more) of your countrymen are starving?
Not a very brotherly thing to do now is it?
Hmm
(81) Fred Karl Bates (001 202 657 3XXX)
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exxagerating as usual, Frederic.....?
Just been told by our distinguished Guests that their “Iridium Go Plan” includes “unlimited data minutes per month.....”
Oh I get it, if you are using someone else's expensive internet connection its okay in your f'ed up morality.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sharing is caring
I think it is hilarious you are implying your with CFK's minions showing around the new masters.
I wonder how that's possible all the way in Scotland
If I were you I wouldn't be using any Chinese owned internet connection. They are definitely stealing your many secrets.
BTW I hear they're not to excited about VM.
Seems like nobody wants to invest there.
I wonder why?
In #73 Shrinkhead writes one of his usual birdbrain comments:
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'd expect the Chinese to get a fair return for their monetary investment in Latinamerica... without gimmicks like actively undermining ANY democratic process ...”
As in Hong Kong where the Chinese government is actively undermining democratic processes?
Think, Mr Voice benefits from Chinese investment too, the Golden Sea restaurant in Dunoon has 5 stars on Tripadvisor. Its a hotbed of advanced technology despite what Billy Connely says about the place.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However I am sure you know that. How will you be voting? :-)
Turnip at (84)
Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhhh...
Hong Kong...
That Engrish pirate den and drug dealer lair in the Far East...
Somebody please refresh me memory...
When, under the whole Engrish Colonial Yoke Period (1841 - 1997) were Hong Kongians allowed any degree of “democracy”?
Of for gosh sakes now this idiot is using the Chinese as a example of liberty and freedom?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and another U$10 you could have donated to the poor or I guess its better spent here defending your new masters.
It's got be hard when you have only the rogue states to cozy up to.
Just look how well Caracas is doing.
Think, please explain why the Hong Kongers are having street demos to return to British Administration then?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will be having them in Glasgow and Edinburgh in a few years if the pink president gets his way in September.
Enjoy your porridge.
Speaking about Edina & Glaschu...
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news
I take it Argentina supports China's claim over the Senkaku Islands?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 Be Serious
Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“China is taking a bet on the value of what it can extract from Argentina. In the meantime the West gets its money back. The Chinese will treat Argentina in a similar fashion to the way they treat countries in Africa - build some infrastructure in return for rights to take whatever natural resources they fancy.”
China tried this in Canada recently - “ investing” in mining meant building infrastructure and sending in their own, “specially-skilled” workers, and long term contract to extract resources.
That deal was kibosh end after the Unions exposed it.
They have however bought up oil.
@78 ThinkVoiceDover
“Mr Think is not known for bragging, I don't recall any posts where he has.... ”
Oh, come on, you ThinkSocks are materialist snobs, even if not moneyed enough to realise your potential. Therein lies the jealousy.
“Mr. Think” with his watches - the noble Russian military piece (that is actually a rip off of a French design), his disdain for the lowly Rolex - only a Patek Phillipe will do. His trusty and true, traditional fishing rod and reel, only the purest Single Malts of unimpeachable lineage, shall pass his throat etc. etc. etc.
Not to mention the RN's finest, blue-blazed Cmdr Dod, the ludicrous caricature inhabiting fictitious Serviceman's watering holes with his imaginary friend, Bernard. His wife is of course carried in style along the “dual carriageways” in the latest Land Rover SUV, whilst he passes his time ship-spotting vessels that aren't there, as he ambles along with his ludicrously named dogs along the cliffs of Dover...
As if that isn't enough, his “kindred sock” A-Vice lives solely on Single-Malts of the most carefully vetted Scottish heritage, when he is not riding into Glasgow on one of his “motorcycles ” to visit Starbucks or instigate Road Rage incidents and intimidate the more ordinary motorists with his imposing physique. Of course, no pseudo-Scotsman is complete without his Stradivarius of “real” Scottish bagpipes.
Argentina not only win money, also win freedom of many west country. China win return of west country to Europe and English American. Hope and influence China grow, west country smalls.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina long ago say loud they not want anymore west country friend, west country arroagant, racist, think everybody must do make follow not do what we do, do what we say's command.
West country never respect other culture, they wish replace other culture in Asia, Africa, Spanish Ameican, etc. No respect of other people.
Ah #92 wondering when you would turn up.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pork chop suey, fried rice and sesame toasts please.
Has mummy gone out now?
China velly good at screwing things and peoples.
Yawnnnn I am off to Pitchfork now, YB knows where I am.
@92
Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just stop, you're not fooling anyone you turd
79
Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah I can see it in my minds eye....little yard in New Jersey hemmed in either side by one of those chain link fences...circular above ground pool (don't need planning or pay extra tax) and decking from the back of your hovel to it....they are everywhere.....Nasty...
85
I wouldn't know...I avoid the Metropolis at all costs I'm out in the sticks somewhat....
..and which paradise on earth do you claim to be sitting in....?
91
We all have our toys...mine don't amount to more than 20k...so what...
Why not tell us about your toys...a car wasn't it...the one you take out for a blast and give it plenty of “Throttle”...a bike term if I ever heard one.....
I've never claimed I don't have a short temper....Mr Nice guy otherwise...
...any fool that bears skin and their physique on a bike is asking to have his skin removed....shapeless leathers is the norm....you don't know much do you.....
...African Blackwood....Henderson drones....more a preference than value...
92
You do realise with that persona you also inherit the physical attributes....or rather the lack of them....know what I'm saying, nudge, nudge, wink, wink....say no more.....nod's as good as a wink...;-)))
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Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnip at (91).....
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your above post shall not remain unanswered...
1) Nothing “Noble” about me ol' proletarian Shturmanskie (besides the fact that that beauty still ticks after more than 50 years, that it could not be bought for money at the time and that it was the first watch on space....)
2) My disdain is equal for Rolexe's as for Patek Phillipe' s... Must admit a soft spot for early IWC Portuguese's though...
3) I do like my ol' Hardy of Alnwick tackle.... A masterly example of Engrish ingenuity at the service of the superior human endeavour of fly-fishing...
4) I do indeed prefer smooth, balanced Spey singles...
If I wished to taste peat or seawater in me Whisky, I would pour them in me glass...
You forgot to mention my ownership and daily use of a beautifully imperfect Edo period Hagi chawan and my predilection for First Flush Darjeering teas, preferably from Margaret Hope' Plantation....
How do you dare calling me a materialistic snob!
:-)))))))))))))
The more se move away from the Westerns POWERS, better.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 095 97 ThinkVoice
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...African Blackwood....Henderson drones....more a preference than value...”
...more a pretension than preference...
That goes for “both” of you.
@98
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your say word's very good. West country no good, arrogant, racist. World people need should turn against west person. Wicked, also lie!
It is pretty apparent you 've never met anyone from China
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chinese are extremely racist.
Even worse than Argentinians and THATS saying something!
It must really get their goat that they have to suck up to the very people they hate.
BTW Are they still sticking people with syringes if they have the wrong look in teh wesern provinces of China? Its so hard to tell how many riots they have since there's no free press.
People say its 1000/day.
I give China a little more credit for intelligence here than others posting above.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that China offers a way for Argentina to pay her outstanding debts, but noted in increments, well beyond the corrupt clutches of the current gang of criminals in the Casa Rosada.
Obviously in the form of a loan, there is collateral left as a future foothold for China in that country.
Smile as she may today, there is a Truth Commission coming for her and her lackeys very soon. Sr. Amado Boudou in this ocean of corruption, is just the tip of the iceberg
在101
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0American more racist person world society. Number one. All people know.
Ha ha ha ha ha, who is the person pretending to be Chinese.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is too funny. Me not speak English well. It ok west not good and east is good. Ha ha ha ha.
Bloody hell, so much for honesty!
When China come for their payment back, it'll either be in Yuan, assets or flesh. Argentina is now on the road to becoming a pretectorate of China, all to hide Cristina's thievery and for a quick Yuan for China.
I really hope the Chinese have good intentions, be it I pray they do, or you'll soon see economic collonialism, and maybe even future physical occupation.
在104
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“be it I pray they do, or you'll soon see economic collonialism, and maybe even future physical occupation”
And it is how different from English country behavior? Or European, also west country behavior?
This behavior by west person long ago invent!!
103. Toby, you should do a bit more research before you take on a new persona. This will end up like your African jade salesman from Villa Gesell.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only problem with that person is there are no black people in Villa Gesell.
Bahahahha
idiot child
在106
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0碧玉 ??? Jade?
You know meet person sell jade?
I have interesting of jade sell's people. Jade important to Chinese people. Always look for jade sell's person. Phone number?
@105 - oh yes I forgot it was those dastardly English people, and their descendants that invented colonialism, slavery etc.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us all remember the Ronans, the Egyptians, The Persians, The Mongols, The Spanish etc, etc.
The most interesting point about British PAST (historical) colonialism is that the indigenous populations still exist in those countries too. I guess that makes Brits the mist tolerant and respectful past colonists in the history of mankind.
You read Chinese history book, as Chinese you may understand writing in language you not understand well. West is no good, East is good. Me no like West! Ha ha ha ha ha
#98 brassie. How did that world cup thing go for you?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China with a billion people - how many want outta thar, do you think?
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is hope for Nostrils yet.
When Argentina defaults and property values plummet, wages reach subsistence levels,
Chinese will buy everything cheap, and... if she is lucky, Nostril's Mummy will have a job as a servant or washerwoman.
All to support her indolent son.
Look at west country with Russia. West country shoot fell fly machine Malaysia Airlines.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England - Permit allow Russian to hide wicked money in London, tens of hundred millions!
France - Permit send fire weapon to Russia, make keep tens of hundred millions!
Germany - Permit get energy Russia, give to Russia tends of hundred millions!
Italy - Permit sell luxury, train to Russia, make tens of hundred millions!
Europe prefer money tens of hundred millions, leave human bodies in Ukraine they not matter. Money more important.
West person wicked, even with brother west person.
I forgot that Argentina was the bastion of honesty, and China the protector of the free world.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think really what you mean to say is that it pisses you off that you may have to compete on a level playing field where you cannot just steal others IP, or constantly be the only one to manipulate money markets.
Tiananmam Square was a great example of Chinese governance. The South China Sea is another. Hong Kong another. Yes the world looks forward to an all powerful China and their magic map pens and their righteous protection of freedom and hope!
在 112
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the Argentina's coiche. they choose China not England or American, or Italy-Germany debt's owners. Please you be magnanimous .
@113 - complete avoidance on your part on China and Argentinas all too horrible histories (parts off)
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also contradict yourself, above you claim European countries are bad for dealing with Russia after the Malaysian airlines incident, yet you say that it is Argentinas choice if it wants to choose to deal with China.
Stop the act with this persona too, have you no honour or dignity?
China not shoot fell fly machine, also not support country that shoot fell own country person! Europe right now still pay send money Russia, allow Russia money in Europe, they kill you, you pay them!
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Money more important than many brother country body in Ukraine land.
Wicked.
Also, Argentina bad history, China bad history no excuse for England bad history.
Ha ha ha ha, you've been ousted 100% as a complete stiffy, yep you're 100% nonsensical cock material.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately just another ignorant xenophobic, indoctrinated nonse.
Talk a walk down to your local library and get a good history book. Anything written by British research councils will be honest and factual.
Just because the current geopolitics are not going China's way (although we all know you are not Chinese) doesn't mean the people who are beating them are inherently evil/wicked.
Ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy f@@ker!
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Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arent these the two hydro dams that are owned by Baez and his mates.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So really she has taken a US$4.7b loan to be repaid by the Argentine nation to give money to her friends, of course at no commission to her. Somethings never change.
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Jul 20th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uninformed Anglo Turnip at (118)
Jul 20th, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is with great pleasure that I can inform you and your fellow Turnips that Mr. Lázaro Baez has, as it can
be read in yesterday's papers...., decided to donate all the proceedings of the expropriation of the land of his property to be flooded by the two dams, to the Ministry of Education of the Santa Cruz province for the construction and maintenance of rural schools.
This is, of course, his own generous and personal decision, not at all influenced by some “Thinking” elements monitoring his dubious business deals during the last many years...
Think is happy.....
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/m1/1711344-china-financiara-las-obras-de-las-represas-kirchner-y-cepernic-en-santa-cruz
TTT, how many personas is that now? You can change your name but you can't change your racist, xenophobic, isolationist indoctrination; it seeps out of every post.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is it in Mendoza and how is that creepy website coming along?
That iridium connection is a lot better than any of the ones I've ever used. It even seems better than a land line.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How odd.
Silly lonely old fool
Toby only ever has one identity at a time, he just changes his name....
Jul 20th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....so based on what Anglotino has previously said his previous identities should be available for anyone to lift...as he is not using them.....
,,,sooo...if the Trolling Stone name is available now, it would prove that Toby is not using it at the moment.....
....I wonder...;-)))
...cloud of dust as Toby rushes to change is name back so it can't be lifted.....
Asia and Africa are our future. We don't want fight, Westerners.
Jul 20th, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live AMERICA from South!
Long live CPLP!
Long live Africa!
Long live Pink Map!
Long live Macau, Goa, Damão and Dio!
Long live Asia!
Long live TIMOR-LOROSAE!
123 voice
Jul 20th, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think @124 “Braziliero” is one of “Nostril's” socks??
在121
Jul 20th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You remember me many woman. Woman find husband wicked, woman wish man go, man go, then woman follow. Man beat woman, woman wish sorry. Woman say she hate husband, then make fire love to husband.
If man make creepy website, you not ask. You ask, then you interested in creepy man.
Woman think very strange.
@126
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are one sick puppy. Get some help.
125
Jul 20th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope... I don't think he has any socks (multiple logins)
Braziliero I think, is more than one person.....
Toby if you were a Chinese guy learning English...wouldn't it be more plausible to be learning proper English.....
..only......you keep using the same American spellings that you use in all your personas.....;-)))
I'm very intrigued by our Chinese person poster, but also confused as I Google translated some of the Chinese and got comments like:
Jul 20th, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No! We no see cat of yours. No more ask please!
Kind of suspicious....
Speaking of which, the rumors that THINK exclusively drinks the label “WHISKY RIVER QUEEN” produced in Argentina is absolutely as false as the allegation that he fly fishes with a fiberglass rod from Walmart.
I am however puzzled somewhat how he identified Fred Bates...
Esteemed THINK, I'm away from Santiago right now for treatment. Do you know where I'm posting from? ...It would be interesting...
As far as this latest CFK victory, I think she's staying one move ahead of her creditors and may eventually succeed in finding alternative ways of avoiding paying the vulture funds.
@127
Jul 21st, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What say wrong? It is true. Women not clever, women too much passion, not think decide good. Many person know, women stay with bad husband, many then ask why women stay with bad person. Good husband finish last. Women not like good husband.
You have problem if think I say things incorrect. I say only my see through the year's experience.
128 voice
Jul 21st, 2014 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I think you're right.
Brazziero certainly has more than one operator, as you say.
I've never seen Toby use another identity at the same time either.
I think the dumber-er Brazziero just picked up some vocabulary from Pu-Yi Toby
Default day looming and likely to be 30th July. Fingers crossed. Time for everyone and anyone to take their money and run....
Jul 21st, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think we should encourage this latest incarnation of TTT. (I never mentioned what the website was about but 鼻孔 clearly knows). He makes even less sense and cannot make a coherent point. He has effectively muzzled himself.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beware the Greeks/Chinese bearing gifts! The Chinese will expect to make a return on their loan just like the dreadful Americans and Europeans do.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently,
Jul 21st, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0some compare china to the body snatchers,
When the yellow peril moves in,
all other pearls disappear,
yep,
invasion of the land/wealth/mineral/pearl snatchers
coming to a Chinese takeaway near you...lol
#134 with one difference, they will not use the courts to collect. They have their own methods.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europe country and American smalls. Less power to crush Argentina.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always crush Argentina, they want Argentina person to suffer, since 1946.
Now they have choice.
The Chinese are likely to find the Argentines, in their minds, very inferior and very gullible - perfect business partners!
Jul 21st, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0在133
Jul 21st, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then, you like no say opinion different of your opinion. You glad happy no person ever with you disagree. You feel secure unchallenged.
在138
So we no different from English, European, American correct not correct????
#137
Jul 21st, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confucius say:
fake eye slanty chica sucky sucky on real eye slanty for money only get his leche.
Tobi you are beyond hopeless you poor suffering and begging hijo de puta.
Three methods we may learn wisdom:
1-first by reflection which is the noblest;
2-Imitation, which is the easiest (Chinese)
3-Experience, which is the bitterest
~Confucius
You are stuck in # 3 yet you never seem to learn. You just keep scratching your ass.
man scratch who his ass, often smelly fingers he has. Sniffy sniffy
Troy this is too funny.......ALl the Argentine businessmen was there to present contracts for 200 Chinese businessmen. After the presentations ....break time for Chinese alcohol. Then came signing time......no Chinese showed up.........lol. The RG's are being “hand fed” Asian tube steak......and they are swallowing it.....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
140 Capt
Jul 21st, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL !!
Nostrils and friends are so out of their depth!
They probably think the Chinese respect them...
Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
As long as they can take their oil, soy, wheat and sugar cane and whatever they can strip mine.....they will “display” respect. And to show they are sincere.....they will help with the water infrastructure to ensure the crops get watered, help with the railway system to ensure the natural resources can be shipped to China. When that ends, they will go the way of the 200 Chinese business men with it came time to sign contracts...........nowhere to be found.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is still laughing at Paulie McSquealer!
Jul 21st, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The inadequate fool.
pass the popcorn!
China has just bought a tired and broken country.
Such japes! What larks!
I am enjoying this.
biscuit anyone?
(129) Mi nunca bien ponderado Chicureo....
Jul 21st, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where you are posting from.... but I hope you are in capable hands....
Best regards from Santa Cruz
El Think.
yum yum!
Jul 21st, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chocalate digestive anyone?
only a few days to go!
#144… .Santa Cruz? Naughty naughty Mr Think, you were down the Legion at 7.30. I saw you quickly scarper into the bog when you saw me, realising it was your round…
Jul 21st, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0… anyway, I didnt miss the halitosis one bit.
Get you tomorrow!
144 Think
Jul 21st, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress is at it again....it just goes to show which side of the fence they sit on....
...pathetic.....
在138
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I not see this so. But maybe some Chinese think they superior argentina person inferior. So argentina person here right?
He says yesterday Europe person, English American person, Asia person, whole world see Argentina person inferior. So he is right?
Thank you you confess world discriminate Argentina because of who they are genetic.
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Jul 22nd, 2014 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You racist, like all west person. Argentina person Trolling Stone say yesterday, all world person racist argenina person.
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say right now yes, 在138. Chinese racist at argentina person. So then, west person not racist at argentina person?
Of course west person racist argentina person.
Argentina person have right defend itself of people like European, English American.
(147) A_Voice
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“MercoPress is at it again... it just goes to show which side of the fence they sit on...”
I say...:
We're you ever in doubt?
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Jul 22nd, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please you answer question!!
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by Editor
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You not want answer, afraid truth is China help Spanish American, USA becomes a non-exist wind force in Spanish American. Argentina reject USA, USA take side of bank not of Argentina person, what have you to expect ?? USA not want help Argentina, then Argentina tell USA go to devil go to hell.
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0USA retreat everywhere in world, we have your money, we tell you what to do today, more tomorrow. China wind advance win everywhere.
President China, Russia, Brazil visit Argentina, we are humble country, visit Argentina.
England, USA, Germany, Italy, France president not visit Argentina, because you think you too good to visit, too superior, too arrogant. Argentina now say you no matter, go to devil go to hell. Good for them.
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Jul 22nd, 2014 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0(152) Think
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say “Were you ever in any doubt”
I say “You must remember where I come from! ”
I can understand...
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I do realise it is a compliment do be emulated to such an intense degree...
....it must be the way I tell em....
who wouldn't want to be me....
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Jul 22nd, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nostrils Toby
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up.
Nobody is going to bother with you when you talk like this.
Hey Troy, you got deleted! Take it as a badge of honour. The trolls must be really scweaming and kicking!
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha!
What on earth is going on here...
... with Voice/Think/Voice? They seem to be sub-dividing like malignant cells. I am not even trying to keep up
... paulcedron in utter meltdown on almost every thread, spewing bile, all sense of rational arguement gone (I wasn't that cruel, was I? hehe!)
... tobi/nostril/fake Chin has completey lost the plot also..
... the other old trolls have vanished
... even hepatia.british bomber only manage the odd toothless dribble..
... brasso is practically muzzled, just the odd whimper or two..
The Implosion of Trolldom: Coming to a cinema near you!
Poor wittle 鼻孔
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0162, 163,
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-D
#162
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I got deleted for an innocuous post at 119. Something “funny” seems to be going on with MercoPress
165 Clyde
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I got deleted @153 - probably justified.
I faked a deletion @ 155 to frustrate Nostrils.
MP usually let's so much go by, unless there is a complaint.
@166
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooooh! How devious!
:-)
:-)
I suppose I was deweted for my accent.....lol. Anyone ever feel a poster or two is on the MP staff?
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think one or two posters have implied that are intimate with MP editorial staff, IIRC
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0165
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that an understatement...?...so you got deleted...
How would you like to have your ID copied exactly by the powers that be...
Has no one been listening to me...?I have been under attack for weeks now..had my original ID blocked and made unusable by me anyway..hence the name change.....
As for Pops remark...“Anyone ever feel a poster or two is on the MP staff?”
Am I missing something...? Am I the only one that is seeing an exact copy even posting consecutively to me....
...“Something “funny” seems to be going on with MercoPress” ...is an understatement....
welcome to my world...
170
Jul 24th, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yours is the only one affected in a 'funny' way.
Perhaps you are faking it?
That would explain things too.
@150 Tobi Chan
Jul 24th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You racist, like all west person.”
Tobi, you must have picked up some notions of concision from your studies of Mandarin. I've rarely seen anybody shoot themselves so comprehensively in the foot in only six words. Awesome.
170
Jul 24th, 2014 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one is 'listening' to you because we don't know which, if any, are the 'real' one.
If You See What I Mean? (IFYSWIM?)
(170) A_Voice
Jul 24th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are not alone...
Same thing has happened before to a couple of other posters, including yours truly...
Curiously enough...., all of them were or are somehow “Critical” to the “Editorial Line” of MercoPres....
I guess that´s the Anglo idea of “Fair Play”, “Freedom of Expression” and being “Cricket”...
I have criticised Mercopress in the threads and have emailed them complaints. Mostly about their extremely poor coverage of Venezuela.
Jul 24th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( no surprise there... :)
Nothing untoward has happened so far. ..
(Nor have they improved their coverage :(
Perhaps you've been hacked?
Bloody Stealth Penguins!! Get everywhere. ....
This system is the only way China assures itself of placing their exports in the Argentine market and gets paid in soy bean and derived products
Jul 24th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0174 Think
Jul 24th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand it....it's not like I'm a radical or even over critical...I just state how I perceive....
...it's weird.....que sera sera
175
Hacked......;-) I very much doubt that...if anyone is doing any hacking it's me....using other peoples wi-fi connections....
It's not that I don't have one..I do. I just prefer using others without their knowledge...you'd be surprised what is embedded and can be gleaned from a wi-fi signal...
Now it's the Pantomime Horse with ThinkedoverVoice
Jul 25th, 2014 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh No it Isn't !
Jul 25th, 2014 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0(snigger)
Way to go CFK. You have engineered the current situation in Argentina. By getting in bed with the Chinese, Argentina will be flooded with guest workers like every other turd world country they extort. The Chicoms dump the prisons to export slave wage earners to their sphere of influence. We have enough Chinese markets already....
Jul 25th, 2014 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes it is!
Jul 25th, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0(snigger)
...wait a minute.....Doh!... (Homer moment)
I mean Oh no it isn't!...
(177) A_Voice
Jul 25th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I see it....
The paying customer on them windblown South Atlantic Islands likes to keep the script at MercoPress Disney-simple.... The general idea being....:
1) Argies are a bunch of Despicable Dago Devils...
2) Kelpers are some Sweet Innocent Little Cookies...
3) The rest of the world sides, of course, with the Sweet Innocent Little Cookies....
Non Radical posters “stating things as they perceive them” makes them nervous and unease ... and they are not paying to feel nervous and unease...
I “think” the Lunatic of Chew Butt has a bit of a complex here.
Jul 25th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody agree with him?
Ha, ha, ha.
#182
Jul 25th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comments at 1-3 show how perceptive you have become.
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