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Catalonia's independence referendum is on, underlines president Mas
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy and Catalan President Artur Mas failed to break the deadlock over Catalonia’s independence drive, with both holding firm on their positions when they met for the first time in a year. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesVery sensible of Catalonia to have a relatively short campaigning window (unlike Scotland).
Aug 01st, 2014 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland has had a long campaign, but no one is being frank about:
Aug 01st, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. the currency
2. citizenship
3. EU membership.
Might as well go short and sweet, than the rambling nonsense from the squabbling hacks in Scotland. What sort of choice is Alistair Darling's vision or Mr Salmond's?
Comon Catalonia bting it on , you know you want to.
Aug 01st, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The amusing thing is the 'latin' approach.
Aug 01st, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more Lovejoy seeks to prevent the referendum taking place, the more likely the Catalonians will seek to vote for independence. Even if the referendum is not recognised by Spain, if the Catalonians vote yes to become independent, that's not exactly going to ease the pressure on Lovejoy.
They really don't look behind their back-bullying Gibraltar while sticking their head in the sand over Ceuta and their other possessions not connected to Spanish soil, nit a good ides. Lovejoy fiddles while Rome burns.
@2. If you take a little time, you can find a website https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/scotland-analysis
Aug 01st, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a difficulty here for the scotch. Somehow they can't grasp that the UK government is obliged to give the best information possible to all UK citizens. And it does. Fishface (Salmond) has no such constraint. He lies all the time.
Let's try some simple questions.
1. The currency. The United Kingdom has said that an independent scotland cannot have the pound sterling under existing conditions. Thus, the Bank of England will not be the “lender of last resort”. In real terms, this means that scotchland will have to set aside billions of “pounds” in order to back up the scotch currency. Contrary to popular scotch belief, the Bank of England does not “belong” in whole or part to scotchland. The scotch might also want to consider the implications of counterfeiting. Unless authorised by the UK government, scotch notes designed like UK notes would be counterfeit. Counterfeit currency can be instantly seized in the UK.
2. Citizenship is an interesting option. Whatever fishface says, UK citizenship can be removed by a simple Order in Council. Can't say exactly how long it might take to relieve the scotch of UK citizenship. 24 hours?
3. This is much easier. The European Commission says scotchland can't simplyy walk in. Barroso says scotchland can't simply walk in. Van Rompuy says scotchland can't simply walk in. International law shows that the larger part of a separating state retains the rights of the state. How many EU members will object to scotchland? The UK for a start. And spain. And France. And admission depends on a unanimous vote.
How many times has fishface lied? But don't believe me. I'm English. England will be glad to see the back of the scotch.
Catalonia's independence referendum is on
Aug 01st, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy
he ain laughing now is he,
silly twat ,Spain will reap what it is sowing, and the results will be very bad for her, we thinks..lol
Still ranting away I see. You actually BELIEVE the Tory government, if so, you are a gullible fool. I don't believe Salmond OR Cameron.
Aug 01st, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As to the EU, what is it to you ? You hate them and are desperate for England to leave, so would it not be a smart idea to encourage Scotland to join so you you could watch their ultimate demise ? Oh the joy that would give you. Tough titty it aint going to happen. You will have to put up with us until they nail you into your box or is it a stake through the heart...either or.
Anyway, best wishes from civilization. Your English countrymen seem to be enjoying themselves up in Glasgow just now and have been welcomed. I have just come back from Edinburgh and the place is filling up with English tourists who are enjoying the festival. Please don't attempt to cross the border and spoil their fun. We have to draw the line somewhere....Argentinians would be more welcome than you.
As a matter of course they would be as welcome as any nationality.
It’s funny how Spain has encouraged the vote in Scotland (but won’t vote it into the EU) but considers such a vote for Catalonia ‘illegal’.
Aug 01st, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One point in the 58 page HM Govt document stating the facts of the situation as distinct from the poorly thought out position of Salmon face and the hag that follows him around all the time needs careful consideration. It is:
“The referendum asks people in Scotland to make a crucial decision: whether to remain in the UK,
or to become a separate state, permanently.”
Note the word permanently. If the Scots leave it will be no good crying in your beer when it all turns to tears through Salmon Face’s lying and wanting to come back.
I must admit that I would not like Scotland to leave even though I have fallen foul of the stupidity of the Scots who were employed by the likes of Scottish Gas and many other businesses. At Board Level I had responsibility for a large number of Technical Service Engineers in England, Wales and Scotland who advised on the use of our domestic products when installed in the field.
It got to the point that trying to employ the BEST people, as we did throughout the business became impossible in Scotland: they HAD to be Scots and that was it. A Sassenach was simply unacceptable to these pillocks who did not like to think anybody but a Scot knew anything about engineering in Scotland (or so it seemed to all of us). We had the best that we could find for Scotland but they shared the ‘we are owed a living’ attitude that we just didn’t get anywhere else.
So best of luck, choose wisely and not with the heart but try using the head for a change.
the difference with scotland is that the vast majority of the catalans want to remain spanish, while the scots wants to get rid of that cancer called england.
Aug 02nd, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very different situations.
#9
Aug 02nd, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How the hell would you know what Scotland wants? I don't know anyone here who thinks of England as a cancerous society. It's just your twisted jealous little persona coming through again
You don't seem to know about anything you post and you have just proved it again.
Unless you are from Barcelona then the same applies to your thoughts on Catalonia. Their referendum will supply the answer in due course.
10 and what the f*ck do you know about argentina?
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0nothing
and you insist in posting the same bullsh*t over and over again.
and my knowledge about barcelona is 100000% higher than yours and than the other boludos of this 4th class site.
@9
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“that the vast majority of the catalans want to remain spanish,”
Why won't Rajoy let Catalonia have a referendum if he is sure there will be a no vote for Independence?
If the Catalonians are happy with Spain why are they calling for a referendum?
Remember, the UK have given Scotland a referendum, they have not refused it.
“and my knowledge about barcelona is 100000% higher than yours”
However, your grasp if basic logic is seemingly deficient if you cannot understand why Catalonia requests a referendum.
#11
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is their to know about Argentina ? Nothing of any importance to anyone. It can be rather amusing at times when posters like you churn out the same diatribes time and time again like a flock of parrots having a blue fit. Can't you think of some fresh insults? You are becoming too predictable.
If this is a 4th rate site, why are YOU bothering with it Maybe you could direct us to a first rate site where YOUR propaganda holds sway.
All this certainly gives the impression that the Spanish gov is fearful of Catalonia.
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0There cannot be any referundum in Catalonia as the spanish Constitution prohibs it:
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARTICLE 2 OFTHE SPANISH CONSTITUTION:
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The Spanish Constitution is based on the indissoluble unity of the Spanish State;
The common and indivisible homeland of all Spaniards........
so I do not see a referendunm in the near future and especially now with the relevation that the nationalist leader in Catalonia for 30 years in power had swindled 500 million euros.....
www.njtimes.com/2014/07/28/world/europe/admission-of-tax-fraud-precedes-talks-in-catalonia.html
@15“There cannot be any referundum in Catalonia as the spanish Constitution prohibs it:”
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be interesting to see the result of the unofficial referendum in Catalonia which is going ahead whether Rajoy likes it or not.
However, when the UK leave the EU, Spain's begging bowl will be less full and they can kiss goodbye to fishing in UK waters.
So will the Spanish Gov arrest the organisers if a referendum is carried out? Surely that would only increase calls for indepedence?
Aug 03rd, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 boludo
Aug 04th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“However, when the UK leave the EU, Spain's begging bowl will be less full and they can kiss goodbye to fishing in UK waters.”
less full without the uk?
you are not the brightest of the bunch, are you?
“The UK in turn owes hundreds of billions to Germany and Spain.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696
@ 18 Polly
Aug 04th, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“18 November 2011”
That's 2 3/4 years ago! Guess where The Dark Country will be in 31 months time IF there is one.
Even if you read the item relating to the UK you clearly did not understand it, did you?
“The high debt to GDP ratio is explained by the UK's active financial sector, where there is a great deal of capital movement. This level of overall external debt is generally not seen as a problem because the UK also holds high-value assets. Having said this, the UK economy remains in the doldrums and the country is highly exposed to Irish as well as Italian and Portuguese debt. The UK in turn owes hundreds of billions to Germany and Spain.”
Firstly the ‘remains in the doldrums’ is long gone.
Secondly ‘the country is highly exposed to Irish as well as Italian and Portuguese debt’ means THEY OWE the UK. We also loaned a lot of money to Ireland at very low rates to them, but we got the money at even lower rates (because we pay our debts) and so we made money and Ireland saved money.
I won’t even waste my time on the GDP to Debt ratios: just look at Spain and work it out who is worse off. I bet you get that wrong as well.
Idiota.
#18
Aug 04th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The figures for EU contributions and payments for the y.e. 2012 and are taken from this Danish site so it should be unbiased.
www.eu-oplysningen.dk
Spain 3.999,0 Net receipts from EU
United Kingdom -7.366,1 Net payments to EU
Figures in millions of EUROS
So it appears that the UK is helping to bankroll Spain.
Spain has received 67 Billion Euros for the period 2000/2012
The UK has contributed 36 Billion Euros in the same period.
Are you not humbled by the generosity of the UK in propping up the Spanish treasury ? Do you not concede that if the UK left the EU then there would have to be a rethink about payments to Spain.
I don't think the Germans, French, Italians and Dutch would be willing to make up the shortfall. Maybe Argentina could contribute something in the way of solidarity.... oh, I forgot, you are broke!
cristina & clyde
Aug 04th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pelotuda & pelotudo
no one expects too much from an islander, we all know about your poor education and stuff.
anyway, cristina:
“That's 2 3/4 years ago!” & “Firstly the ‘remains in the doldrums’ is long gone.”
yes, right...
it is a lot worse now.
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
Oh dear, Poor little Polly belives any old crap. Must be because he is so indoctrinated by Kristina.
Aug 04th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Open your eyes, leave your country, travel and learn.
@ 22 ilsen
Aug 04th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But who the hell would let him in their country outside of SA?
I know the UK let anybody from the EU in, but we have to draw the line somewhere!
boludos varios
Aug 04th, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly i had the opportunity to visit little britain...during the riots.
not the best place to go, eh?
and you pair of forros talk about burning tyres?
lol
the british burn entire buildings and you, imbeciles x1000, still think it is like a paradise.
i said it before, but again, go back to school, travel more and most important, remove that f*cking isleño mentality from your tiny brains.
#24
Aug 05th, 2014 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I won't reduce myself to your childish name calling and insults although I did learn a few extremely rude Spanish ones in my time.
Funnily enough, I know about the riots, but these were confined to London and a few of the larger cities in England. It probably escaped your prejudiced mind but the bulk of the country was unaffected.
You foreigners make the mistake of thinking London IS Britain.
Up here it seemed to be on another planet, but again, we don't have the immigrant populations of London. Argentina seems to have riots as a national sport.
You still have't got it. Yes we have a large debt which we will pay back with interest. You had/have a large debt which you refuse to pay back.
That's the difference between our countries.
Compared with Argentina, Britain probably is a paradise.
Travel more ? Lets see, I have been in France, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Mallorca, Ibiza, Formentera, Fuerteventura Gibraltar, Portugal, Greek mainland, Crete, Thera, Lesbos, Corfu, Paxos, Anti Paxos, Simi, Rhodes, N/S Cyprus, Turkey, Israel, extensive travel in Gambia and S.Africa, India, Tobago, Seychelles, six weeks travelling in New Zealand, Fiji, Cook Islands , Singapore and probably a few more I have forgotten. Travel more, why ?
In Britain, I am quite content to live on an island removed from johnny foreigner with his devious ways..
If you are an example of an Argentine continental outlook then you can keep it, look at the mess it has made of YOUR country. Starting with ALL the advantages and you blew it big time. It takes a peculiar national character to act like that, however, you have it in SPADES !
Intelligence Quotient Scale:
Moron = 50-69
Imbecile = 30-49
Idiot = 29 & below
I would respectfully draw your attention to the above. Anyone who posts here --except for a few borderline cases --cannot fit into the above definitions. They would be unable to write
Nothing really to add. I await your insulting reply with indifference.
Intelligence Quotient Scale in the Falkland islands:
Aug 05th, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Moron = 50-69
Imbecile = 30-49
Idiot = 29 & below
#27
Aug 05th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina these scores would make you next to a genius.
Anyone can play at the insults game as you can see above. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, but again, who can compete with a Spanish Argentinian in full bile mode....not me.
I would have expected a more erudite reply but again, you are a one trick pony.
27
Aug 05th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In Argentina these scores would make you next to a genius.”
what a childish comment.
you are so immature in spite of being 70..or it was 80?
#28
Aug 05th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a childish comment.
Well, when I am dealing with children such as you, I tend to use their language. There is no point talking over their heads.
By the way, don't you have a job ? You seem to pop up at all times of the day or is this your employment ?
“You seem to pop up at all times of the day or is this your employment ?”
Aug 05th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0says the guy who is posting rubbish 24/7 since 20 years ago.
lol
Oh dear! Looks like paulie can't cope in these difficult times.
Aug 05th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No backbone, no mettle, these people.
Can't fact reality.
I pity these people.
#30
Aug 06th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 06th August 10:12
Could you maybe expand on your assertion ? As I only had a computer 5 years ago and had not heard of MerCopress until 3 years ago how could I have been posting 20 years ago ? Was this site open then ?
Their archives seem to go back to the year 2000 only.
Explain that, or are you using the arithmetic taught at one of your local universities where exaggeration forms part of the basis of calculations.
I am afraid that Dr. Who stole my Tardis so I was unable to jump back 20 years with modern technology, post and then fast forward to the current time.
You are quite correct in what I asked in my post at #29 and I see, as usual, you choose not to answer. My question implied no criticism but was merely curiosity as to how some posters of working age seem to be able to post at various times of day when it would be customary to be involved in your daily work...unless this is your daily work....HEAVEN FORFEND !
@18
Aug 06th, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you are not the brightest of the bunch, are you?”
But I am a lot brighter than you and can at least read.....
@20-“The figures for EU contributions and payments for the y.e. 2012 and are taken from this Danish site so it should be unbiased.
www.eu-oplysningen.dk
Spain 3.999,0 Net receipts from EU
United Kingdom -7.366,1 Net payments to EU
Figures in millions of EUROS”
If the UK leaves the EU they will still continue to pay their debts, but despite being as poor as you say, the UK manages to put money unto the EU (one of the EU's highest contributors) while Spain begs from the EU.
Therefore Spain is going to need to recruit a nation that pays unto the EU as much as the UK does, if it wants to continue scrounging as much.
Which is possible when the EU accepts Catalonia as a member though I doubt even Catalonia will be able to match the UK's financial input into the EU.
@ 33 Pete Bog
Aug 06th, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If the UK leaves the EU they will still continue to pay their debts”
Of course, but what about Ireland, Portugal AND Spain who were thankful to take direct loans from the UK. The contract conditions must be respected by both the parties to the contract but I wonder if the contract has a type of 'indebted’ clause so common in commercial business loans (similar to breaching banking covenants)?
That would be funny, “calling” in Spain’s loan.
pelotudo 34
Aug 07th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course, but what about Ireland, Portugal AND Spain who were thankful to take direct loans from the UK”
in the case of spain, it is exactly the opposite, you imbecile.
and even worse, they have to put up with +/- 1 million useless british migrants living there.
if the italians, spanish, french, argentines, etc expelled all the british scum they have living in their countries, their situation would improve 1000%.
#32
Aug 07th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could you maybe reconsider your post at #30 in light of the FACTS
I presented to you at #32. N.B. I presented facts !
I note you are rather fond of hyperbole but again your arithmetic is based on this.
As for useless British migrants in Spain, I presume these are retirees who have paid money to buy property there , pay taxes and spend money in the local economy.
They have had to put up with the charming Spanish habit of being swindled out of their homes because corrupt officials granted planning permission to local builders which years later was rescinded on some technicality leaving them with no redress. Charming people you support !
thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2513948/Expats-sunshine-villas-Spain-doomed-demolished.html
“As for useless British migrants in Spain, I presume these are retirees who have paid money to buy property there ”
Aug 07th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nah
most of them are delinquents.
the typical scum: sexual abusers, drug traffickers, thieves and killers that the useless british police is unable to arrest.
add to that the “wonderful” british tourists and...bingo
http://www.abc.es/videos-espana/20131114/numerosos-criminales-britanicos-esconden-2838357692001.html
http://www.abc.es/videos-espana/20131114/numerosos-criminales-britanicos-esconden-2838357692001.html
#36
Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0#32
Could you maybe reconsider your post at #30 in light of the FACTS
I presented to you at #32.
N.B. I presented facts !
Why is it when asked a question you do a running sidestep and change the subject ?
Typical Troll behaviour by you.
I applaud the Spanish authorities for arresting these people and for having them extradited to the UK for trial and/or imprisonment.
You may be surprised to know that there is freedom of movement between UK/Spain and that the UK has in many cases had to wait YEARS before the Spanish justice system allowed the extradition of wanted criminals back to the UK.
It also begs the question, who in the Spanish judiciary, Police or local authorities were getting kick-back payments to harbour these people when it was widely known they were wanted crooks !
As you seem to be obsessed with trawling on line for stories about UK citizen's misdemeanors here are a few at random about Spaniards criminal activities.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179516
/travel.yahoo.com/blogs/compass/where-tourist-crime-happens-most-171502067.html
I could continue but it is rather pointless and proves nothing about the population of either country.
“I could continue but it is rather pointless and proves nothing about the population of either country.”
Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no.
you cannot continue because you dont have anything.
about the behaviour of british population in foreign countries, i would suggest you to read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552388/UK-tourists-among-worst-in-the-world.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552388/UK-tourists-among-worst-in-the-world.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552388/UK-tourists-among-worst-in-the-world.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552388/UK-tourists-among-worst-in-the-world.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552388/UK-tourists-among-worst-in-the-world.html
and then they ask why they are not too appreciated in the rest of the world.
#39
Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are childish.The Spanish can't afford to go on holiday so they confine their behaviour against tourists. Mugging and thieving are their national pastimes.
I posted CRIME what have you done, loutish behaviour I presume .
I can't be arsed reading them. I would rather watch paint dry..By the way, why post the samebusinessinsider article twice. Can't you count ?
Could you maybe reconsider your post at #30 in light of the FACTS
I presented to you at #32.
N.B. I presented facts !
Dodging the issue again I see. How convenient ! You get it totally wrong but aren't man enough to admit it.
Useless Troll !
In Summary;
Aug 09th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress Article:
Catalonia's independence referendum is on, underlines president Mas.
Paul Carrion's comments?
Some British tourists are a bit shit...
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? wtf?
Look at yourself Paulie, you are completely illogical and have no interest in the article.
Makes you look a bit shit really. And pretty stoooooopid.
Back on topic. As I said earlier, will the Spanish Gov arrest Catalonian politicians for organising an illegal referendum? If they do, what happens next?
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