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Israel disturbed with Mujica's use of 'genocide' to describe the situation in Gaza

Wednesday, August 6th 2014 - 08:18 UTC
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Israel is disappointed and concerned with Uruguayan president Jose Mujica statement that described the Israeli offensive in Gaza as’genocide’, pointed out Jerusalem's new ambassador to Montevideo, Nina Ben-Ami. “These are not words to be used by a friend; we're friendly countries going through a difficult moment”. Read full article

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  • Lucdeluc

    Mujica is by far the most admired political leader on the planet.

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoseAngeldeMonterrey

    Mujica is nothing but a travestite demagogue. He kisses Fidel and Raul Castro´s brutal totalitarian regime, he went to Havana and interview the FARC terrorist organization, but cowardly failed to interview with the Cuban dissidents. He accommodates Uruguay´s foreign policy to China and Brazil´s interests. All the while he´s wearing sandals and posing like a poor man, as if anyone give a damn about it.

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Mujica is a total prick. Especially as he's also a terrorist. Can't someone shoot it? If a bullet would penetrate all that blubber. How is he that fat if he gives away 90% of his salary?

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Israel should know that this murdering, commie bastard was also a terrorist in the cowardly, cretinous gang known as the Tupas which sought to overturn a democratically elected government by murderous force just because they didn’t like it.

    He is clearly illiterate and innumerate like the vast majority of his mates who he has put into government but wants to walk the world’s stage as a statesman. This is just another one of his fuck-ups caused by opening his mouth without thinking through what the words really mean for Uruguay. I couldn’t give a fuck what he thinks for himself: he is the president (but not much longer) of the country, he MUST put the interests of the country first. And if he cannot do that he should resign.

    Israel should ignore all the bleeding hearts and get on with the utter annihilation of Hamas before they are themselves killed by the Muslims.

    It really is a clear cut as that.

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Uses left over stash from all the banks he robbed.

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ira Curtis

    Trying to ignore Pepe's personal biography, Uruguay history in many ways is similar to that of Israel. Surrounding by giants that were for decades trying to annex it fought for her independence and won. So maybe for this only Israel should score his sympathy. But He is well known for his shots from the hip, just to apologize for them later. So who really care about was he says. Not very smart to say the least...Trying to ignore Pepe's personal biography, Uruguay history in many ways is similar to that of Israel. Surrounding by giants that were for decades trying to annex it fought for her independence and won. So maybe for this only Israel should score his sympathy. But He is well known for his shots from the hip, just to apologize for them later. So who really care about was he says. Not very smart to say the least...

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    How do these imbeciles consistently reach the highest office in Latin America?

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “What we are trying to do is defend our civilian population and cause the least damage possible among Palestine civilians”
    She must be joking, no?
    1700 civilians dead, including 400 kids, as if it were a collective guilty.
    Maybe this imbecile should read what Daniel Barenboim, also a jew, says about the issue.
    http://www.aurora-israel.co.il/articulos/israel/Diplomacia/58973,Barenboim:_Israel_no_tiene_derecho_a_bombardear_colectivamente_a_los_palestinos/

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    Natural for Pepe to sympathise with the terrorists-they are responsible for firing weapons from civilian areas, a trick they learned from Argentina's tactic during their 1982 fascist occupation of Stanley of placing artillery in between civilian homes and painting red crosses on arms dumps.

    Next Hamas will be helping Argentina with their 'malvinas' chunnel project

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 8 paulcedron
    “She must be joking, no?”

    I realise that what passes as a language in SA is flawed in the extreme by not having the simple ability to ask questions in the manner that English does, but for once I agree with you.

    NO, she is not joking you moron.

    The Palestines were told to leave and Hamas told them to stay or else, as for a Jew having a contrary view it's no diffierent from you having a hatred of everything BRITISH or English if you want to perpetuate your idiocy.

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CarlosHeadon

    The Palestinian population of Gaza increased from 322,000 in 1967 (when the Israeli occupation began) to 1.55 million in 2005 when Israel unilaterally withdrew. It is now somewhere north of 1.7 million. That’s quite a neat trick, increasing your population 500 percent strictly via birthrate, over a scant 45 years, while undergoing a genocide. You’d think that the Israelis—who, I recall, actually happen to know a little bit about the subject—would be a little better at this genocide thing? Misinformed idiots love to throw about the term “genocide”, to the point that it has really lost it's meaning. This absurd accusation both does a disservice to the Palestinian cause (hyperbole causes reasonable people to tune-out) and, more disturbingly, insults and trivializes those collective peoples who actually have experienced the horrors of “genocide”. Rwanda and Darfur immediately come to mind. Mujica once again displays his ignorance. It's embarrassing.

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Pfft. It's not genocide, it's only state terror.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3605863,00.html

    Aug 06th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CarlosHeadon

    Every single Israeli attack in Gaza has been an response to a rocket attack, or punishment for previous attacks, retroactively (such as, assassination attempts on Hamas terrorist leadership). There are few circumstances in modern times that are as clearly defined as this conflict, in the honest sense of who's right and who's wrong. The Hamas covenant (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp ) has as its stated objective the destruction of Israeli and the killing of Jews. As the sayings goes, the Israeli's have no choice but to win every war; the Arabs only have to win one. How long would any other country on earth be expected to put up with a quasi-state constantly firing rockets at them; or digging tunnels to carry out terrorist attacks. Imagine the rockets and weapons they could bring in from Iran if there were no border controls or embargo (imagine MH17 as a regular occurrence). Personally, I don't think the Israelis should have risked sending one soldier into Gaza; they should have instantly level everything with 50 metres of every single rocket launching site; but then, they've proven that they're much more restrained militarily than any other nation on earth. No country in history has shown as much restraint, trying to minimize civilian causalities, as the Israelis. The Israelis obviously care more for the civilians in Gaza than the Hamas leadership does (casualties is the only part of the narrative that the Arabs can win at the moment, along with the PR, which is all that Hamas apparently cares about). Assad has killed over 170,000 in Syria, and no one gives a crap; the Israelis collaterally kill 1% of that (with half of that number actually being combative militants, hiding behind the population) and everyone sets their hair on fire. The only explanation is good-old anti-Semitism.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    13. I couldn’t agree more, unfortunately don’t expect much reason and common sense from HamasNiesund

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Erroneously and cynically invoking genocide, Mujica as well as Turkey's Erdogan are using hyperbole to make themselves look like more important statesmen than the clearly are.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @13, @14

    I think we can all agree on one thing, which is that Israel is enacting a strategy of applying disproportionate force, and that this strategy considers civilians of all ages expendable, and damage to civilian insfrastructure (schools, hospitals, power stations, etc, etc) justifiable. The aim is not just to prevent current attacks, but to deter further attacks in the future through massive retaliation which will take years to repair.

    The proper name for this strategy is terrorism, in so far as the strategy aims to deter combattants by visiting massive destruction upon non-combattants. To this end, it eliminates any distinctions between the guilty and innocent, and aims to visit its might upon them collectively. There is nothing new about this. Apart from Benjamin Netanyahu, there have been plenty other recent and current enthusiasts, such as Bashir Assad, Osama bin Laden, Slobodan Milosevic, the Russians in Chechyna, the government of Sri Lanka, and juntas everywhere, to name but a few. Under current international law, they're in breach of the Hague and Geneva Conventions, and prima facie war criminals.

    But that's only the half of it. Only an idiot could believe that killing 400 children is going to stop terrorism. It's going to cause more of it. Assad has given the world ISIS, and Netanyahu won't turn a hair in his comb-over if he bequeaths us something similar as well.

    Good article on this from that bastion of radical Islam and anti-semitism, the New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/opinion/thomas-friedman-revelations-in-the-gaza-war.html?_r=0

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Friedmans article comes across as a tad naive.
    He writes.
    “Either Arab and Israeli moderates collaborate and fight together, or the zealots really are going to take over this neighborhood. ”
    The zealots in Gaza and elsewhere in the Middle East have taken over the neighbourhood. We can argue that Israel and the west (Anglo-American invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan etc) have created and fuelled the fire of discontent in the Mideast but the facts are the enemy today is completely irrational and borderline psychotic. The only defense and dialogue unfortunately will be the Wests superiority of arms and intelligence. Otherwise if the West becomes complacent Isis, Hamas, Hezbollah won't merely be beheading “infidels”in Tel Aviv if they can get there, but London , Paris etc

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Prior to operation Protective Edge, the zealots in Gaza were on their way out. Hamas had lost the support they previously enjoyed from Egypt, Syria, and Iran, and were about to enter into a Palestinian unity agreement with Fatah that would have implied recognition of Israel, and would have left Fatah in control of Gaza. That's about the last thing the zealots in Israel wanted, and thanks to their response Hamas has now emerged strengthened.

    Meanwhile, it's the Arab/Muslim world that is moving against ISIS. The Kurds, Iraqis, and Lebanese are fighting them with financial support from, of all people, the Saudis. I don't see much assistance coming from the heroic defenders of Western values.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 18 HansNiesund

    Re: your final paragraph.

    I doubt the veracity of that statement given your record on Iran are not aiding Hamas, which has been shown to be wrong.

    I wonder, if in the coming months, we will be seeing in MP 'alliance of Muslims worldwide with ISIS'?

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Arab/Muslims,Shites, Christians, Kurds have to move against Isis otherwise they will all end up with their heads impaled onto the nearest spike in the glorious name of some deranged caliphate.
    As for Saudis, they created Isis by supplying Syrian anti Assad rebels. Isis is using US kit complete with Humvees. Many of them Us special forces trained. Get your head around this paradox. Iran and Russian piloted Fighter jets are taking the fight to Isis pushing The US into an embarrassing clandestine alliance with them. It's completely FUBAR

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    Pelotudo 10
    “The Palestines were told to leave and Hamas told them to stay or else, as for a Jew having a contrary view it's no diffierent from you having a hatred of everything BRITISH or English if you want to perpetuate your idiocy.”
    It seems you believe everything they tell you, no?
    you are a bit naive, aren´t you?
    or you are just a plain pelotudo?

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @20
    FUBAR it certainly is. The Muslim/Arab world is every bit as fractious, fucked up and warlike as the Christian one ever was. But it does give the lie to the contention that gallant little Israel stands alone against some monstrous alliance of ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Boko Haram.

    @19
    Iran certainly were aiding Hamas for long enough. They stopped when Hamas bet on the wrong horse in Syria. Hamas is a vicious and spectacularly stupid terrorist organisation. It is really rather hard to see why Israel has allowed them to dictate Israeli policy and action, which is apparently what we're supposed to believe.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Hamas as Sunni Muslims would be backing the anti Assad rebels. I agree that this would piss off Iran and explain why Shiite Hezbollah watched on as spectators along Northern Israel's border as the Israelis pounded Gaza. But again this compounds the multitude of paradoxes in the region. Israeli defence brass have let it be known that to destroy Hamas in Gaza would give way to an ISIS replacement. The Caliphate would then extend, if Assad is defeated by the rebels, to the Israeli border on the Golan to Gaza in the south. This would spill over into Egypt as the Muslim brotherhood there is becoming more radicalised with the Sinai developing into a war zone. Ironically Iran with their ally Russia is essentially at war with Isis to protect their Shiite brethren in Iraq . These groups are killing each other but all want to wipe Israel off the map. The West backed the rebels in Syria and this has backfired as the Wests backing of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against Russia in the 80s gave birth to Al Qaeda. They are all committed in their hatred of Israel. It's not a monstrous lie. Israelis survival is at stake, this is why they require the military force they have.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Nobody has suggested Israel disarm. But it's entirely legitimate to ask if their present strategy of periodically culling the hostage pen while sabotaging any serious peace effort so they can consolidate and settle further the West Bank, isn't going to drag them and pretty much everybody else into some enormous conflagration that nobody can win.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    23.
    Hezbollah is consumed with the civil war in Syria. There was no way they could attack Isreal at this moment.

    Israel's main challenge is the an US-Iranian alliance as well as the US is leaving the region. Britain, the Netherlands, France, Sweden and Belgium are becoming further Islamic and anti semitical as a consequence of un controlled Muslim immigration and political correctness. So perhaps in the next 15, 20 years or so Muslims will become the first minorities in Europe totaling 20 % or more in some countries.

    Hopefully Israel would have made a more formal alliance with Egypt, Jordan and Turkey by then as well as mediterranean countries like Italy. The stability of the Saudi Kingdom in the future is questionable. But yes the future of Israel is bleak, even Henry Kissinger believes they will seize to exist.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    You're remarkably quick to believe all that you're told

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/reports-of-israel-s-death-are-greatly-exaggerated.premium-1.471213

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I think its quite rich coming from you whom believe what you want to believe.

    Believe me, I have being reading a fair degree of geopolitical analysis in the past months Israel is very uncertain. Geopolitics is not on their side I will be the first to admit this. And I have explained you ad nauseum this.

    So what did Kissinger say about the matter ?? Haaretz mentions nothing about that.

    Aug 07th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Israel is more secure now than it has ever been. The biggest threat it faces is its own extraordinary sense of self-righteousness, which has placed it well on the way to pariah status.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Israel's pariah status is just code for anti semitism. Israel has never in its history, from the Old Testament to the present day been secure.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Anti-semitism, of course. Why else would anybody object to Israel bombarding the defenceless by land, sea and air?

    There was no Israel until 1948. There's nly an Israel now because they succeeded in displacing 700000 people. And these days Israel is the nuclear armed Goliath of the neighbourhood pretending to be David, a pretense that becomes less and less credible every time they shell a school or a hospital.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    28.

    The world is rapidly changing, we are heading for a world were trade is going to be far more restricted and a lot of regions and countries falling out. 3D printing and shale will have meant that only NAFTA and Asia Pacific will become established trading centers in the world.

    So no more need for the US to keep on defending trade routes, securing energy supplies.

    Neither less to say also Israel is not the cornerstone of American policy in the Middle East it never was.

    The only established powers and centers of the Middle East with centralized structures executing control over territory for millenniums and centuries have being Egypt, Iran and Turkey, the rest is pretty much artificial and uncertain.

    So the US will leave the region and Israel will be left to deal with the European Islamophiles, for Europe would still need energy from the region.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Before 1948, there was also no Palestine and Jews have lived in that area since biblical times. Jewish communities have always been there including Hebron.
    Yes Palestinians were displaced after they and the Arabs were defeated in battle.
    That's a shame. About 15 million Germans were expelled from Eastern Europe after the defeat by Russia and the Allies in 1945. The greatest expulsion in world history. Are they clamouring for a right of return? No, they were assimilated into what was left of present day Germany. Jordan has a large Palestinian population but many other Arab nations such as Lebanon have left many Palestinians festering in refugee camps instead of assimilating them creating generations of lost and angry men. Gaza has many inhabitants whose grandparents were displaced from towns in present day Israel. The only way they can return is by defeating Israel in battle.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Of course there have been Jews in Palestine since biblical times. In 1882 there were 24000, or 8% of the population. In 2014 there are 6 million, or 75%. I guess it depends on which version of the Sky Fairy you believe in if you think that he 1 million Russians who arrived from the 1980s had some greater right to be there than the 700,000 Arabs who were driven out to make way for them. It is also rather hard to see why the lost, angry men should be angrier at the people who have taken them in rather than the people who drove them out. I agree with your last sentence though. It's just truly astonishing that anybody would expect them not to fight back after what they have suffered, and continue to suffer.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    33.
    HamasNiesund.
    Or....... they can simply be given the right to to in habit other Arab countries and be given citizenship and be allowed to move on, instead of living off the aid of UNRWA and the EU, Arab League, US and Israel. When you subsidize something you only incourage it to grow.

    Ohh no but would you wonder why this doesnt happen. No I wouldnt expect you to have the brains for that one.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    it seems it will be another backfire for israel after all.
    these jews never learn.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/26/gaza-violence-sparks-global-protests-in-pictures

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/26/gaza-violence-sparks-global-protests-in-pictures

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/26/gaza-violence-sparks-global-protests-in-pictures

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/26/gaza-violence-sparks-global-protests-in-pictures

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @34

    And what exactly would you do, if it were you?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Easy. Cut the aid and let them immigrate to Egypt, Lebanon, Irak, Syria, KSA, Turkey and elsewhere. I think only Jordan has accomodated them

    When you stop all the money inflow and indirect subsidies to Gaza and Palestine they will leave.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    What would you do, if you were a Palestinian?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    If I was a Palestinian I couldn’t possibly to much different than the average because I would have being bread and brainwashed to be a suicide bomber or despise Israel while living off benefit of some charity or assistance just getting by and having loads of kids... Being a educated with my own mindset I would have converted to Judaism and moved to Israel served in the IDF

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    So you're a collaborationist. I guess that figures.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    40.
    Says the man that is OK with giving away is whole country to the Muslims....And is in denial about it.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Lol, one of the funniest things about a phobia is the belief that anybody who doesn't share it is in denial.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Really....So arachnophobics claim that people who don’t suffer from arachnophobia deny that spiders exist??

    I’m not “islamophobe” you daft idiot Im simply saying Islam is an ideology and there culture and beliefs are simply INFERIOR to western values and democracy

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    And they're taking people's countries over!!!! Who do they think they are? Zionists, FFS?

    Really, you should at least learn to call a thing by its name. As it is you're coming across as a logicphobe as much as an islamophobe.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Ohhh well dont make me go through this again… I talk numbers, demographic trends and facts and you will just turn and look the other way as you have done for a week now because you can’t accept the reality.

    At the end of the day its your own problem and your choice you have given your country away in your own generation out of political correctness, self imposed racism, other than that I don’t really care what is to become of the extinct country of yours … Jews have lived over a millennia with no country to call their own, they know what they want and fight hard for it, that is worth my admiration and respect.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    What you're talking isn't facts, it's a paranoid fantasy driven by a mixture of fear, hatred and racism. The actual numbers tell a different story.

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

    The Zionists, of course, aren't the only people who want something and fight hard for it. You could pretty much the same about any invasion force, from the Mongol hordes to ISIS. Do they all get your admiration and respect too?

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    @46. What would you propose Israel do to solve this Problem?

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    46.
    Wow as bad as by 2050 Muslims will be majority in Britain!!! Amazing that you are already talking about that. … I’ve been researching further more and the numbers are breathtaking ! By 2006 the numbers of Muslims were more likely to have arrived at what your 2011 census shows due to the fact that.
    Even if you consider the 2011 census there was 2.7 MM Muslims
    2 years later there was 3.3 MM Muslims by the end of 2013 there was an increase of over half a million of them (600.000)

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4112/islamization-britain

    You have a history of consistently underestimating these demographic trends already in the 1970s London would never be a non white British city they said.

    Your rebuttal blogspot of a left wing source doesn’t even consider immigration increasing. It doesn’t even consider the average age of Muslims vs non- Muslims, neither conversion rates

    Only in birth rates of the current Muslim UK population you have 8,5% of Muslims by 2030… that’s a 94 % increase in 15 years.
    And you are working with fictional birth rates for none Muslims because you are depending on large amounts of Eastern European and other immigrant populations whombs. So expect more ghettos, more fragmentation and multipolarised country
    So it’s not a question of whether it will occur or not, it’s a question of when.

    And another factor…. Middle Eastern countries import over half of their calories. So there is going to be a massive “population adjustment” in the ME. Ergo; wars, famine and MORE EMIGRATION
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4112/islamization-britain
    (Minute 1:05:20)

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Lol, the Gatestone Institute. That's like asking the Cat Institute their opinion of Dogs.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Have you even researched into this, have you even read the links you attached or just googled in search of tittles???

    Both they gatestone and your link in Channel 4 are using the same figures buffoon!!!!
    And it is this one
    http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe/

    Fuck HamasNiesund what a retard in denial you are….


    You have to take that 8,5% to 2030 as a MINIMUM FLOOR of Muslims in the UK.... Very optimistic.

    After looking at the vast ammounts of statistics related to the Muslim issue in Britain do you really think you have any authority to say??? Shut the fuck up bitch. I told you you cant hold water in this argument

    Besides I dont understand why are you so worked up about it now, its your country and you have being branding multicuturalism for so many years as a good positive thing, which by definition means that means washing away a native population.Its something you have decided you have supported and chosen.

    Dont expect them Jews to believe and act in the same way you have done in the last 50 years or so in Israel.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Do you think the Israelis will introduce some racial purity laws or something, maybe?

    And maybe you'd recommend the UK introduce some laws dictating who sleeps with who, and how often? Maybe you could get a job as an inspector or something, since you seem to have a keen interest in the matter. What do you think of sterilization,, even?

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    51. No Hamas. It’s simple you have pretty much chosen a path as a nation and seem irreversible. It was your choice. Stop trying to divert the subject what you do and what you become as a country is nobodies problem, nobody cares but don’t come along and tell the Jews of all people how to give away their country and how to behave towards the Arab savages... Israel is reluctant on having more non Jewish immigrants and that is why they are building walls and trying to isolate themselves as much as they can.

    They know and are very aware of the politics demography, for Arafat said himself that the wombs of Muslim women are our secret weapon. What he didn't know nor predict about then was the walls that Israel would build the largest barriers since the Berlin walls.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    It's a sad, ironic fate they've made for themselves, and a far cry from what they originally intended.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    They may have not intended this to happen else they would have gone to Africa, Latam or elsewhere.

    But they have made a country and a successful one of their own against all odds. All this was forced upon them, not the other way round. And the only explanation of this is in the nature of the ideology of Islam

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Of course. Only Muslims would object to 700,000 people being driven from their own country to make room for somebody else's.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    And what about all the Jewish refugees of the Middleastern countries that were forced to leave their homes and property to be expropriated by the Muslims When the Jewish state was founded???

    How can it be Israel absorbed the Jewish refugees and there is still Arab refugees since 1948?? With ALL the other Muslim countries that exist and only one Jewish country , they want the Jewish country

    Have your thought a second about that one ehhh, fucking hypocrite??

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @56

    I have no objection to the Jewish victims of Israel's creation being compensated in the same way as Palestiniain ones. It seems the main objector to any such course of action is, guess who, Netanyahu.

    http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21596578-compensation-jews-pushed-out-arab-lands-may-become-yet-another-issue-

    Try reading a credible source sometime instead of ha propaganda you feed yourself with, you might get the idea in he end.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    #57 have you figured out how to solve this problem yet?

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @58

    Which problem do you mean? The problem of Hamas'totally ineffective barrage or the problem that one people wishes exclusive rights to territory occupied by another for centuries?

    In fact from the current Israeli perspective, the first problem is basically solved. By periodically deploying massive violence themselves they can limit Palestinian violence to an acceptable level, continue territorial expansion, and sabotage any efforts to recognize the second problem.

    The second problem, of course, cannot be resolved until such time as Israel recognizes the reality of it and challenges its own national mythology. I don't see this happening any time soon.

    Personally,mwhat I would like to see is a ceasefire, lifting the siege, and a return to a peace process, but I have no expectation of it.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    Yes , interesting. By deploying violence Israel can limit Palestinian violence.
    But this is the dilemma for Israel. The Indigenous people in the US, Canada , Australia etc havn't taken up arms to reclaim their territory. Nor do they have support from foreign actors which neutralises their ability to rise up against colonial domination. They also don't have a concept of jihad or martyrdom to spurn them on. The Tibetans havn't taken up arms against China after the invasion of 1950 yet in the Muslim dominated region of Xinjiang we are observing the beginning of armed insurrection against Chinese control.
    Israel can't be complacent when surrounded by a culture and religion which idolises martyrdom and death.

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  • CabezaDura2

    57.... Fuck HamasNiesund.... AGAIN WHERE DID YOU GET NETANYAHU IS STOPING THE CLAIMS IN YOUR OWN LINK'??????

    ”Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, has repeatedly raised the issue, apparently to offset any claims for compensation from the Palestinians uprooted in 1948, 750,000 of whom fled abroad and 150,000 of whom were displaced within what became Israel. Mr Netanyahu’s ministry for senior citizens has opened a hotline for claimants to register lost property in the Arab and Muslim world (including Turkey and Iran), which, campaigners argue, will exceed the price-tag of between $20 billion and $100 billion which Israeli officials privately put on Palestinian claims.”

    this comes from your own link you stupid fuck....!!
    My GOD you are such a fucking idiot, you don’t read, you don’t think, you are soooooo full of SHIT, bloody hell !!!
    You read the guardian, HP.uk, Channel 4 and you accuse me of going for propaganda...???!!!!!

    Jeez what a waste of oxygen you are...

    The more I read about the issue both your shit sources and abide by my independent thinking and research the more and more Im convinced that this is just plain anti Semitism and Islamophilia, denial and hypocrisy of the Western and Arab worlds

    And what makes you think that countries that don’t even recognize Israel, will be happy to PAY compensation for what happened 70 years ago?? GET REAL MUPPET.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @61

    Actually, you're right. My bad. But good exercise in missing the entire point of the article, as I've con to expect from you. Wipe some of at foam off the monitor before reading and you should do better.

    @60
    Like all good propaganda, there is certainly truth in hat, but it's far from being the whole story. Since 1948 a total of 5 Arab countries out of 22 have been at war with Israel, but only 2 of these have made any serious attempt at fighting, Syria and Egypt in 1967 and 1972' the second time round being an attempt to recover territory lst he first time. I these two, Syria is now a Mad Mac wasteland, and Egypt is in active collusion with Israel. In 2002 all the members og the Arab League were ready to recognise Israel as part of a peace deal, which Israel rejected. All in all, there is no real threat to Israel at the state level, except possibly Iran but no sign if active intervention from them either. Israel is and remains the nuclear armed regional superpower. There is no existential threat at the non state level either. Hamad as I've already argued was virtually neutralized before Protective Edge, and has now been strengthened by it. Hezbollah is otherwise occupied with the Syrian debacle. Now would have been a good time to make peace and make common cause with other Arab regimes against a common fundamentalist enemy, even if this enemy is at present more of a threat to the Arab regimes than it is to Israel. Israel had evidently decide instead that it's security is better ensured by a policy of massive retaliation, state terror, and collective punishment that amounts to a war crime, this will work for a short time, but they have clearly underestimated the level of revulsion this has engendered world wide, and this will be more significant in the end. Unless of course they wise up quick, but in thus respect they seem dumber even than the Boers were.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I dont care if the article has a point or not, its definetly the rebuttal of your utter LIES and BS that is what I care about.
    Besides the economist is wrong, the actual amount of palestinian refugees is more like half a million, the jewish refugees are near a million.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ

    Israel is damn right to conduct apartheid policies.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    I know this stuff is hard for you, let me explain it again. The article is a rebuttal of your suggestion that nobody cares about Jewish refugees. I hope that helps.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    64. No its not… It’s about the politics in Israel whether if it is feasible to claim a compensation of the Jewish property left out in the Middle East since 1948.

    Nobody is raising posters and leaflets and marching to an Arab embassy for restoration or compensation of this property. If they do so they would be called Zionists. And if they do it in Paris they would be persecuted and attacked by Muslim throwbacks. So shut the f&%$ up

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @65

    And yet again you think you confirm my point but claim you're contesting it, and probably even believe that you are.

    Where did you see anybody marching for refugee property? There have been a lot of people marching in protest at Israeli state terror, but I haven't seen anybody turning out for property rights, important as they are.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I know you are daft and thick....But I tell you what, why dont the palestinians go to Algeria, Iran, Morrocco and elswhere and claim the property that these gov't expropiated from the jews after they expelled them in 1948?? What about the property the Algerians confiscated to my peid noirs ancestors?? They can go ahead and claim that... Why dont you go and march to the embassy of these countries and demand this??

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Because Tzipni Livni is doing a decent enough job as far as I can see (except insofar as the issue has been grossly exaggerated in order to further impede any peace process, but that's to be expected.)

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries#Morocco

    I fail to see what the pieds noirs have got to do with anything, except it explains a lot how you ended up with such a racist mindset so far from any Muslims.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 67 CabezaDura2
    “I fail to see what the pieds noirs have got to do with anything, except it explains a lot how you ended up with such a racist mindset so far from any Muslims.”

    Hans is blowing bubbles again, he knows, because I pointed it out to him, that any critic of Islamism cannot be a racist by definition. Muslims accept ANY old scum into their laughingly called “faith” as long as they “submit to God”.

    Well as I don’t submit to anybody living and breathing, unless I want to, and God doesn’t exist, that’s put the moccas on that.

    Just remember you have people who also want the Muslims ‘dealt’ with before they ‘deal’ with us.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    68.

    I even have a drop of Algerian blood.. How can I be racist against myself?? I just know that at one point in time one of my great great grand mothers accepted Western cultures and values superior to that of the Islamic ideology and way of life, thats why she married a French officer.

    I accept that Islamism and anybody who believes in it is inferior to those who dont. And I can perfectly understand why the israelis are behaving like they are doing.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @69

    According to wiki, some definitions of racism include discriminatory behaviours or beliefs based on religious stereotypes. But feel free to suggest a better term for religious bigotry if you prefer,

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    71.
    It’s not that I really care if you consider me a racist or not. I have explained you ad noseum that I don’t live nor abide by the same guilt code as you do.. I know that in British debates its accustomed that whomever accuses of racist the other first wins instead of actually proving a point.

    This guy Chris said that he grow up in a poor background and made it through, not in a middle class left wing environment. This is what we have being discussing in the other thread. He understands what it is to grow up knowing what was going on in the streets. You clearly dont because you live in a PC bubble.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    You have no dea where I grew up dickhead, but be assured it was not in a middle class left wing environment. Nor am I descended from the French colonial officer class.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Definitely a white neighborhood and white school.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Wrong on both counts.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Well....Me thinks you are lying

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    I'm not surprised. You have terrific problems with cognitive dissonance. It's more than you deserve, but for your information I grew up on a mixed council estate in a small town with only one school that everyone went to. Not that I think it's any big deal.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    The chances are for you to grow up in a white minority background or shool is that if you would have grown up in the mid 80s or 90s in specific parts of the UK. And small towns dont get immigrant inflows at first hand, its the big cities that do so...
    You cant be that y young. I believe you are lying.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    I did not say a white minority background, I said “mixed”. There are very few places which actually are white minority. You obviously don't know shit about the UK, or the history of immigration to the UK, but let me give you a clue: it started well before the 80s and 90s and immigrants went wherever there was work or opportunity. That's what they came for, most of them.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Really 10% immigrants living in communal housing or whatever ?? Nahh that doesn’t count.

    You certainly weren’t raised in the environment of Muslim gangs grooming over girls, having to eat halal at school, sharia districts and clerics calling for prayers and so on and so forth like the guy in the video you attached in the other thread mentions.

    You read liberal left wing news papers, you think like a liberal left wing and talk like one. Living in a bubble... If it bites, wags its tale, barks and looks like a dog it is a dog.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucdeluc

    #79. Have you been to Israel or Gaza/West Bank?
    I have. In the West Bank, Jericho, Ramallah, Hebron, I saw for myself the Israeli occupation. It's not pretty and I understand Palestinian resentment and the struggle taken by the PLO and present day Hamas.
    But why do Westerners no so much about the conflict in Israel? And why are they so incensed by Israel's retaliation when compared to Arab internal wars? Assad has caused the death of 150000 people. Isis is beheading it's way to the Iran border and was on the verge of massacreing the Yazidi Christians before the US finally intervened. Boko Haram is crippling Nigeria. Where are the London, Paris etc demonstrators protesting these atrocities? Islamic societies are the most backward on the planet. A medieval mindset only creates generation after generation of bitter and twisted “martyrs” All that EU money could have been spent on schools, hospitals. Instead it was used to buy rockets, build tunnels and indoctrinate another generation to sacrifice themselves.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @80

    Of course I wasn't raised in any such environment, it only exists in your rabid imagination.

    @81

    I have been to Israel and the West Bank. Indeed it's not pretty, but it's a choice Israel has made.

    I've already answered this point about ISIS et al more than once. It's quite obvious. First of all I don't buy this argument that whatever X does is OK because Y has done worse. That's like Jeffrey Dahmer complaining it's nt fair, Ted Bundy killed loads more than me. Second of all, there is no confusion about ISIS. ISIS isn't trying to convince me it's the last bastion of civilized values in the region, my government doesn't regard it as an ally, it's not supporting them diplomatically or selling them arms.

    The other thing I don't understand is why it's apparently supposed to be unfair in some way that the Palestinians won't just shut up and acquiesce. Why the hell should they? And as for the question of medieval mindset, of courtheir exists, but it's hardly the whole story. The PLO is not Hamas and Hamas is not ISIS. Gaza is not Syria and Syria is not Afghanistan. What characterizes the Arab world more than anything is not so much extremism but government by Western supported strong man dictator suppressing the radicals. This is hardly unique in the world, and not so different from Latin America a few years back. It's the kind of society I'm sure Cabeza Dura would feel quite comfortable in.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    Israel you have every right to defend yourself against Hamas who in turn are protected by the Palestinians but:
    killing women and children will only get you bad publicity around the world.
    Fighting every individual or country that goes against your policies will also get you negative publicity as the case of Bardem and Penelope.They have the right to free speech....so conclusion:
    Israel you should eliminate Hamas leaders one by one as you did with Mahmud Mabhuh.This is your true path. Do not fall in Hamas trap as you just have done.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    82.
    Sure......You remind me of Stevie. After losing the argument 40 x times...“ Ohhh no its not like that at all, it’s all in your imagination”
    After heaps of documents, statistics, evidence, testimonies and so on... Ohh no nobody is starving in Africa”

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @84

    It's a curious phenomenon, now you mention Stevie, but it seems to be a common belief on all sides of the political spectrum in Argentina that the way to win an argument is to stick your fingers in your ears and recite the same garbage over and over again. Unfortunately, it just makes you look like a twat.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Ohhh shut up bitch.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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