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Blackouts, trees and posts knocked down by gales in Ushuaia and Punta Arenas

Monday, August 11th 2014 - 07:46 UTC
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Hurricane strong winds on Saturday blew roofs, knocked down lamp posts and trees and left big areas of Ushuaia, Argentina and Puntas Arenas, Chile without power according to reports from both cities in the extreme south of the continent. Read full article


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  • stick up your junta

    Hurricane strong winds in Ushuaia, causes £15 worth of damage.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Good Lord, as much as that , a castrophie indeed.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    So it was your house the one that was destroyed then. My condolences.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Have you seen the “train”?

    It's about as good as one made out of lego bricks: notice the new floor on the carraige on its side - it's made out od boarding even cheaper than MDF!

    I would have thought a good fart from TMBOA would have done for it.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    With all the hot air blowing from Argenina as we speak, then who is surprised that this natural phenomenon has occurred?

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Problem is all that stuff that the storm took out is imported. They don't have the U$ to replace/repair anything.
    That is why a 75mph wind is such a disaster.
    In the 1st world it is an inconvenience and most everyone will be back at work in a day.
    Not here

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I see that Argentina has invested heavily in rolling stock since OUR engineers built their railways for them.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    Your engineers were infamous for quaffing cheap jug wine and eating corned beef the whole day. In fact there had to be several government round-ups of the British because they were literally being run over by horses in the streets they were falling asleep in the middle of them. If it wasn't for the Italian and Irish workers nothing would have been accomplished.

    That's why ever since then the British in Argentina have the reputation of having red faces, being lazy, and not holding their liquor.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 8 TIT

    Yankeeboy is an American: the clue is in the tag.

    Or have you just invented history again?

    It was the British who made Argentina great and the Peronists who fucked it up and are still fucking it up.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    The British who? Sorry but no.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @ 8 Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    Where do you get all this information about the Brits in Argentina? I suspect that much of what you say is just an invention of your tiny mind. For example, why do so many Argentine sportsman follow their professions in the UK and then make their homes here? Ardiles, the football player is an example and many rugby players and golfers.

    My experience in Latin America certainly was very different - for example, most people I met in LA would tell me they wished that Britain had been their colonial power rather than Spain and they cited Canada and Australia as examples of what their countries could have been.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    Non-Argentine Latin Americans are obviously ignorant if they mention Canada and Australia but do not know about Guyana, Jamaica, and Zimbabwe.

    Argentine sportment also make their homes in every country in Europe, South America, Asia, the Middle East, and North America. Check the stats of football teams.

    The British want to play the two-way game. They want to brag about the supposed goodness of their Empire, but completely deny, ignore, and tuck head in sand about the huge crimes, the oppression, and also the collateral damage... which we see as we speak in Iraq, Israel, Syria, Libya, India-Pakistan, etc, etc, etc...

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “It's about as good as one made out of lego bricks: notice the new floor on the carraige on its side - it's made out od boarding even cheaper than MDF!”

    it is a piece of crap.
    of course, it is made in england -winson engineering-
    not a surprise, eh?

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    And Argentina is helping the population of Iraq with humanitarian aid are they. Reap what you sow.
    Never known Argentina help anyone recently.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    We don't help anyone. And we were never helped by anyone. So it seems like a fair balance.

    None of that has to do with anything I said in the prior post.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @15 apart from the world bank handouts and other such charity lump sums they give to 3rd world countries...

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    I thought they were debts we have to pay back.

    So which one is it? Debts? or Handouts?

    You anti-argies are soo easy to debunk.

    How come this major news is being kept oh so quiet?

    British territory is a world major smuggling, lawless area, so says the EU. So Spain was right.

    Must be so proud.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    WTF is od boarding..?
    It looks to me that it is made from is likely to be OSB4 and an inch thick...this is an industry standard...engineered boards great for load bearing and use in humid conditions...water resistant and sustainable as they are made from wood chips and resin....

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    I suspect all that foot-stamping and hot air blowing from Buenos Arses is finally taking effect on the World Stage.
    Apparently some train passengers in Uruguay have been affected. Let's hope Judge Griesa has a serious rethink.

    Aug 11th, 2014 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    I bet Punta Arenas is all made good before Ushuaia.


    Aug 12th, 2014 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    Given your debt repayment history, they start as loans snd end up as charity. The terms aren't market standard for yourtype of junk rating so yes, its charity....

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @13 paulcedron

    As usual for you an inaccurate post.

    There are six engines used on this railway and only one of them made by Winson Engineering.
    The carriages were all made by Argentinian companies.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    I am slowly coming to the conclusion that Alistair Nigel (EUian) and paulcedron are the same person - as they seem to complement each others boludeces!

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I have been on that tourist train and it is a little like Thomas the Tank Engine but it is a restored antique. It should be loved for that. It takes you through the history of when Ushuaia was a penal colony and is interesting, though the stirring music combined with the bleak commentary is a little strange. I am surprised none of the Argentine contributors have been on it, in their country. It is part of your history.

    Ushuaia has a transient feeling about it. 98% of people living there moved there temporarily for the high wages (for Argentina) and tax breaks. No one stays for the long term. It is a rather dull place set in the most spectacular surroundings. It rains or snows almost every day of the year although the few days of sunshine are incredible. I was lucky to experience some when I was staying there.

    TTT just stop, you are making yourself look like a complete idiot. Why do you think Peron targeted the British? Because they were the upper class and wealthy. Don't be a donkey brain all your life, it won't change the fact that you are living in a declining country and your future is bleak. Your words cannot change history but if you got off your backside and applied yourself you might change your future.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “I am surprised none of the Argentine contributors have been on it, in their country. It is part of your history.”

    and who told you that?
    and who told you that it rains every day?
    try going there in september / october and try heli ski
    and who told you that its population moved there temporarily?
    the permanent population of tierra del fuego has grown 20% in 10 years.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    Well I have not been there I admit it, but that's because I am probably a half CENTURY younger than the woman in question.

    I rather have 4-5 decades more to live and the entire future in my hands than be full of mendacious anecdotes for every situation. BTW, I know another woman (my age) like that, she always has to one-up every one when telling stories. IF someone says they went to Buzios, she says she went to Bali. If someone says their father owns a Bayerische Motoren Werke, her's owns a Maserati.

    Usually teenage women grow out of that stupidity. Unfortunately not always though.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @25 I went there. It was a few years back but are you telling me the professional guide I hired there was LYING to me? An Argentine who actually lives there.

    20% now? In anyone's book that is a transient population.

    @26 Oooooh, such jealousy. :) My travels really are not THAT unusual.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think the Beaver population is growing faster than the human population.

    munch munch munch

    Chile has so many reasons to hate Argentina

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    I didn't say they were unusual. Quite a few of the parents of friends I know have been to Bariloche, Santa Cruz, some to TdF. Their kids haven't because they take them to Pinamar, Gesell (to buy Jade and Obsidian hopefully!), Mar de las Pampas, Punta, Brazil, Vina del Mar, or Disney.

    Then when people grow older and appreciate something other than beach, sun, and roaller coasters they go somewhere else.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @29 You really can only look at the world from one perspective, your own.

    It is not unusual for gap year students to have travelled the world at 18 or 19. They travel for the experience, have fun and a fair number do voluntary work in developing countries. At 18 or 19 that is younger than you, TTT.

    The world is not just your experience unless you have NPD.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    What kind of vacation is it when you do voluntary work? What a joke.

    That's not a vacation.

    I have no NPD. Just because I suffered a brief Dissociative Fugue, does not mean I have permanent conditions.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    31. You are incredibly ignorant. Lots of people including high school and college aged kids volunteer their vacation time to travel around the world to help the less fortunate.
    There are 100s if not 1000s of programs offering different opportunities to help people in poor countries have a better life, building houses, clean water, medical, infrastructure, etc etc etc.

    Your narcissism makes you look like a utter fool.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    I have never seen any of them except for white-shirted Mormons on bikes.

    So either Mendoza is not a place poor enough to help people, or not that many NorthAmoans and EUians have the opportunity.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Because you haven't received a food basket yet they don't exist.
    Your narcissism makes you look like a fool.

    2 seconds of Googling....if you want more links look for yourself.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    “Travellers Worldwide arranges adventurous and worthwhile voluntary work placements in Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Ghana, Guatemala, India, Kenya, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Zambia and Zimbabwe”

    Nice to see Australia and New Zealand, former British colonies, are in this group of destitute nations.

    OTOH, seems to be those are the most visited our tourist-worth while non-EU/NorthAm/Japan nations. They all either have huge cultural ruins, beaches and sun, fun cosmopolitan cities, saffaris, the most important waterfalls, or glaciers... or are major cultures like India and China. And that covers ALL the nations in that list, surprise surprise that places like Chad, Yemen, Kazakhztan, Belarus, Pakistan, Cameroon, Haiti, are not on the list.

    And look what my 2 seconds of Googling found:

    So I think I will volunteer to help the poor stolen children of Australia, or help children get dentures in Appalachia.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @33 I am genuinely sorry for your psychiatric illness.

    Gap years are not holidays. They are, in most cases, a break between the end of formal schooling at 18 and the start of university education. Young people spend a year getting some real life experience. It often involves travel, working and volunteering.

    It is correct that there is a whole industry geared towards helping students achieve a productive gap year. Special round-the-world discounted tickets, volunteer programmes etc. And many are in South America.

    I have also met many volunteers from the US that will spend two weeks vacation from work volunteering. Not only for altruistic reasons but it also looks good on the C.V.. Others arrange it through church groups.

    You may not know about it but a lot of people do, especially young people. When I was in Chile earlier this year I met some volunteers and they were just on their way to Argentina, to work in Mendoza. It is closer than you think.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    He is forgetting he is suppose to be Chinese. Tobi of Mendoza is really one sick kid. I think it is best to just ignore him and allow him to be forgotten like Argentina will soon be.

    #32 yb when I flew back in late June from Argentina, the jet was half full will college students volunteering through Argentina for various projects.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    elaine b
    ”98% of people living there moved there temporarily for the high wages (for Argentina) and tax breaks. No one stays for the long term. ”

    like many cities of patagonia, they received a big internal immigration, from buenos aires, cordoba, rosario, mendoza, etc.
    but the majority who has established there, are fueguinos now.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    Forgotten by EUialand and Northamoland? That's sounds like reaching paradise. Please, if there is any way I can aid you with the memory deletion let me know.

    Argentina would love to be forever ignored by those countries. Trust me we won't miss ya.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    34,36,37 YB, Elaine, Poppy

    Absolutely absolutely shocking that the people of Mendoza have such extreme and blatant poverty and malnutrition amongst such a large group of very young children!!!

    Where are the local care agencies and people to help these children?
    They must be aware of this situation, yet it takes money and humanitarians from outside Argentina to help these children!!

    Are the people of Mendoza really so callous as to allow this to happen?

    Is this unusual ?

    Are these indigenous Amerindian children, only?

    Is Mendoza a poor province of Argentina?

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    You aren't good at this trolling thing, are you?

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    40. Mendoza is one of the better run and wealthier Provinces. Where you see the real horrifying skeletal children and people for that matter are in the northern provinces, missiones, chaco, salta, SDE and a few more.

    Missiones Province in the town near Iguazu is burned in my memory the absolutely filthy staving shoeless kids playing in dirt streets in town. I went there before I realized how backward and poor Argentina was outside of BA.
    I have never seen such grinding poverty. Except on the same trip I also went to the Indian reservation, who's only school is funded by the Germans, they have 1 string of electricity for the School building and a little hut where they sold trinkets. All of the tribe was wearing old donated clothes from the USA and they had no running water so they were FILTHY.
    This is why I say never leave the resorts in 3rd world countries.
    I don't go on vacation to be sad.

    Argentinians think you are foolish to give to charity. They think the gov't should provide everything.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Mendoza is one of the wealthier provinces.

    The gappies do all kinds of work in the community so it doesn't necessarily mean extreme poverty. They often work teaching in the poorer areas but I know of some that volunteered in hospices and some that used to visit women's prisons in Peru to take the children out on trips.

    @38 That is pretty much what I said. They come from other provinces, work there for the higher wages and tax breaks for a few years, and then go back to their original provinces. That is a transient population.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Are you Chinese today?

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    Question for you all: why is wealth (i.e. “money”), the be all and end all for you?

    Serious question.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    42 YB

    So what you are saying in essence is - these children, even in a 'relatively' wealthy area, shows what a callous and selfish society they live in.

    No wonder they don't respect foreigners or bond holders, or those who are not influential.

    That certainly explains the childish grasping nastiness of Pablo, Nostrils, and their politicians.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    46. In evry city in every province in Argentina you'll have kids juggling in the streets, selling trinkets on the streets or going through huge mounds of garbage at all hours of the nights with their families.
    Sometimes they're lucky and find a chicken that hasn't gone bad yet....while not quite bad.

    It is one of the most shocking things to 1st worlders when they go somewhere like that but they think that's how everyone lives. It is one of the reasons I had to move. I just couldn't stand it any longer.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    Reminds me of the family from Cordoba my friend knows, they had everything in the USA but in every city in every state you'll have these constant mass shootings, or just regular shootings in the most random places: he said that his daughter was at a shooting at a community college where a guy killed his ex, the shot himself dead... in the lunch area! That is so common it didn't even make the news anywhere. The girl was traumatized didn't want to continue studying there.

    They packed it all and shipped it to Cordoba.

    And I talk to Americans they tell me the same thing. Sure there are bad things here and it used to be safer 20 years ago, but at least they don't have to hear of shot children every day.

    It is one of the most shocking things for Argentines on vacation there: if their kids pop a balloon in ARG no one even winks. My neighbors told me that happened at a mall in the USA and people shouted everywhere and a few started running!

    Americans think everyone in the world lives like that, so completely panic in the strangest situations overseas. It's weird.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    You are utterly delusional. My friend said that her friends said that other people said.
    And this how you live?

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    Yeah my friend has a very close friend (business partner). So? That's only two removed. I met them one time in passing for a few minutes.

    Unlike “others” here, I neither lie nor embellish my stories. I could have said that story was of my uncle or cousin, but it wouldn't be true.

    Yes, that's how I live. I tell it like it is. The truth, and no exaggerations.

    I don't pretend to be rich, I don't pretend to have travelled the world, I don't pretend to have many (or any) women, I don't pretend to be connected to power... things you all belittle me for ('oh, who are you to talk you don't travel, or have no money, or etc”).

    You people dislike people that are honest on the INTERNET. which is extremely rare. You all clutch at straws, the one straw I have decided to accord you all, which is my name changes. Otherwise you wouldn't even have that as an angle of attack.

    I do claim I know many languages, my vocabulary is in the hundreds of thousands of words, and that I am intellectually superior.

    Again, because it is true.

    Now notice the pattern: you people insult me when I tell the truth that I'm not rich or haven't travelled, and insult me when I tell the truth that I am smarter!

    That's why I troll. I cannot engage in honest, serious, objective debate with any of you, you have provided me with the answer to this long ago.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    48. That's very odd because everyone I know that is from South American feels much safer here.
    When I moved back my American friends made fun of me because I was so cautious when I walked the streets after living in BA for so long.

    Toby, you'll never know what its like to live where you feel safe. Where people don't lock the doors, where you can walk up to a u$10MM house and knock on the door and the little old lady that owns it answers without fear.
    You'll never know and all the stories you want to make up about the USA are just lies and everyone who'e ever been here knows that.
    Same as everyone who's ever lived in BA or Arg knows that what I am saying is true.
    There's really something seriously wrong with you.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    Safer from what? Nice try at conflating. I will admit that run of the mill crime is worse here: the purse snatching, the bike-grabbing, the house intrusions.

    I made a very specific reference to crimes commided with firearms. In that area it is absolutely true people from all over the world are far more uneasy in the USA.

    And btw, for most of history crime has been WORSE in the USA than here. It's only the last 10-15 years, before that Argentina was FAR safer.

    Actually some people think the USA is safer simply because of the legalization of abortion, nothing else.

    And I caught another lie of yours: people do lock everything in the USA, including house doors. I know because you made the same claim long ago and I asked a question on yahoo answers and got 18 responses from Americans. Like 14 said yes, and the others most said lived in very small towns.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT, to answer your question honestly, money is NOT the 'be all and end all'. It doesn't necessarily make you happy (you can be happy with very little) or solve all your problems. What money and education can do is give you choices and freedom. People trapped in poverty have little option but to survive. They have no choices. It is not so much the money, but what you choose to do with it that is important.

    You have told us you are poor and proud, and there is nothing wrong with that if you are content with your life. But you do not seem at all content. You are bitter, frustrated and envious. If you channelled that energy into working to change your life you might be a lot happier.

    With regards to your other bitter comments, I don't pretend anything. My stories from my travels are true. That you cannot conceive of a world outside of your limited experience is the problem.

    You seem desperate to believe that life outside of Argentina is so terrible that being trapped in poverty, in Mendoza, is somehow preferable to anything else. You might take comfort from that idea but it is false. Mendoza is not the worst by any means but you trying to believe some falsehood about the rest of the world is sad. The more you bleat about places you have no experience of the more ridiculous you sound.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I never lie. Nobody I know is scared of getting shot. That's just crazy. It so off the wall I can't even respond to it. Its like calling a horse a cake. Where do you go with that?

    I am sorry you are so sad and lonely but your craziness is boring now.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 18 Voice

    Now we know for sure you are not British because you cannot figure out that ‘od’ is simply a single space error on a qwerty keyboard you twerp.

    “it's made out od boarding even cheaper than MDF!”

    It was intended to be OF, not ‘od’ or even ‘og’.

    Go back to school and use an English teacher who knows what they are teaching. The Lunatic should go as well.

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    WTF is an OF board...?
    Don't know why I'm even asking...that floor is obviously OSB....some engineer you are....

    Aug 12th, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    54 YB

    Its interesting that NOSTRILS doesnt dispute or deny the plight of the immoral and outrageous poor as you describe them in Argentina.

    He just ignores that - much as I suppose he ignores THEM - doesnt want to talk about it, doesnt want to think about it!

    I suppose he accepts it as 'everyday life' ?!

    He just goes back to his deflection and “whataboutery”.

    Very sad example of the mindset and lack of humanity of the Argentine culture.

    Wasnt NOSTRILS one of the ones defending Argentinians and Brazilians, selling their own children as prostitutes, as “just meeting a demand”???

    What a sh!tty little sub-human creep!

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    You know I find it so bipolar that you constantly bleat that whatever happens to Argentina and Argentines is our fault, but here you blast me for ignoring the poor.

    It's not ignoring, it's just non-intervention. The poor brought it upon themselves, or does the whole “personal responsibility” now get tossed out the door to win an argument.... huh TrOY?

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I'm very interested in this anecdotal evidence that the US is more violent with a higher rate of murder and gun deaths than Argentina.

    So much so that Argentineans would leave the US to return to Argentina to escape it.

    So I did some investigating and the truth isn't what you might think. Now it is hard to compare some data because it seems that Argentina isn't very forthcoming on reporting figures.

    All figures are for INTENTIONAL homicides only.

    Rate per 1,000 inhabitants
    US: 4.7 (2012)
    Arg: 5.5 (2010)

    In only 3 of the past 12 years has Argentina's rate been lower than the US (5.5 to 5.6, 5.3 to 5.8 and 5.3 to 5.6)

    Indeed, only one SINGLE South American country has a lower rate than the US - Chile with 3.1

    But what about firearms I hear you ask. Well that is even harder to compare as Argentina has stopped reported that statistic. However in 2012, 60% of US homicides used a firearm - a stable figure for the past 7 years.

    In Argentina, it is 48% but that is 2008 and it had been increasing not stable.

    77.8% of these homicides were male in the US (2012) but this was 83.6% in Argentina (2010).

    So statistically speaking, males killed by firearms per capita:
    US: 2.2
    Arg: 2.2

    So as a male you are just as likely to be killed by a gun in Argentina as in the US.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)


    Leave it up to you to make it a comparison of Luxembourg vs Somalia.

    I don't think anyone is escaping the USA to Argentina, or viceversa. No matter how much you anti-argie haters like to think otherwise (or obfuscate the matter with some unsubstantiated political angle to crime), the differences between the two countries in overall crime is not even remotely big enough of a gap for anyone that lives in either to notice a substantial, life-changing difference.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT I think the point you are missing is that a lot of crime in Argentina goes unreported. Argentina is largely lawless. The police are, for the most part, bribable and corrupt. I don't know about Mendoza but in some wealthy areas of Buenos Aries the police run protection rackets. If you don't pay up they give the go ahead for the criminals to rob your house.

    Even if you don't believe me, look at the number of car-jacking, house robberies, armed robberies being reported. As I said before, it is not the worst place in the world but even you cannot brush away increasing crime by pretending it in not true.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    58 Nostrils

    “It's not ignoring, it's just non-intervention. ”

    It's not the fault of children that they are poor and severely malnourished.
    Nor should they be sold by their families as sex slaves.

    But you still “non-intervention” it.

    Too much trouble, I suppose?

    Honestly, you are a lazy callous pig.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    A low empathy quotient is a sign of Autism Spectrum Disorders.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Asperger's Syndrome is probably the diagnosis.

    Along with the common and pervasive NPD and all Rgs seem to be infected with.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 56 Voice

    Still misunderstanding the English then?

    “It's about as good as one made out of lego bricks: notice the new floor on the carriage on its side - it's made out of boarding even cheaper than MDF!”

    ANYTHING in sheet material in TDC costs MORE than anywhere else and performs WORSE than materials anywhere else. You have only to look at how many buildings fall down in TDC.

    Some engineer, NOT, you are.

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  • MagnusMaster

    @40 There are local charity organizations in Argentina, but no amount of charity is enough to help those people to live without charity. The only way to help them is to make sure the state does its job properly, otherwise charity is just a band-aid.

    @42 Yes the northern provinces are the North Korea of South America, and it has been that way for centuries. Not only they slowly starve to death but they live in near slavery, and if someone complains they lose their house or they cut electricity, or the government won't sell them water, or they won't treat them at their hospital. They also cannot vote, they must give their ID to someone from the government to vote for them. These provinces are called feudos (fiefdoms) because they are still in Feudalism.
    When Lanata and a charity organization went to Formosa (the poorest one in Argentina BTW) to make a well to provide people drinking water the governor of that province, Guido Insfram, sent people to threaten the volunteers and destroy the wells they were making. The woman who complain to TV that her whole town didn't have water was punished by the government in a way that would fit in Dante's Inferno: the gov't gave her the water service, but only to her so the whole town had to ask her to give some water. At least Lanata had better luck in Salta, as the governor there offered some help to the charity volunteers.
    Unfortunately the Peronists and even the Radicals don't do anything about them, preferring to join forces with them to get allies and guaranteed votes instead of doing anything about them.

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  • ilsen

    Both Trolley-boy and paul-carrion have accused me of lying about my life, experience, travels, education etc.
    I have never lied. Why would I wish to? What could I possibly gain? Do they think I feel the need to impress them?
    How utterly ridiculous!
    Perhaps they are so infected with viveza criolla that the assumption that others are lying is the default option?

    Hoho! Just read what I wrote. Maybe default is the default option?

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  • Troy Tempest

    66 Magnus

    absolutely tragic.

    Aug 13th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    That's what I get for assuming that you were familiar with the tech terms for boards....I thought you had made a typo by catching the d instead of the s..(os boarding) (OSB)..;-)..turns out that you made a typo, but it was 'of '...doh! head hurts....

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  • yankeeboy

    69. I was kind enough to answer your question on why I post here but you failed to reciprocate.
    My guess is your a nasty old guy that nobody likes and probably mouthed off to 1 too many people and learned to be quiet in public so you come here to rant without getting popped in the nose.
    I would think the humiliation would be enough to make you go way but...
    It is certainly not thoughtful posts on the articles or in general terms Argentina or the Falkland
    so yeah...

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  • Troy Tempest

    70 YB

    “My guess is your a nasty old guy that nobody likes and probably mouthed off to 1 too many people and learned to be quiet in public so you come here to rant without getting popped in the nose.”

    At the risk of sounding like a “sycophant” ( LOL - such bile!) because I arrived at the same conclusion you did - he sounds like a very very frustrated bully.
    I bet his wife left him, and his kids shun him, because of his drinking and violent outbursts.

    My own suspicion, which I have articulated more than once, is that he doesn't travel - too much spousal support payments and he'll never get a passport again because of his criminal assault conviction(s).

    C'mon Voice, why????

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  • Voice

    Are you for you have the short term memory of a goldfish...?
    I explained in detail how I came across this forum in a previous post to you....
    Your explanation is you used to live there...
    I used to live in Germany....but I do not want the German people to starve, I do not want them to freeze to fact I do not want them to suffer at all...yet they do have a pretty bad history....
    Do you see the analogy...?
    Now explain to the rest of us why you want these things to happen to Argentina...
    You have serious issues.... much did the Argentine wife take you for Fred...?...;-)
    We can all see by your one subject posts....Death, destruction and ruin to all Argentines...that there are some personal issues...spill the beans....
    I should pass your cell to good certainly need one...

    ...I am here to balance...psycho's like you....that's case people actually start believing the nonsense and bile you spew....

    I'm glad that even you are noticing your sycophant tendencies....

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  • yankeeboy

    So you come here to counter me and my ilk. Hmmm that doesn't really ring true. You rarely post on the subject matter, never offer thoughtful insight into the discussion.
    Like your most recent post you just merely troll.

    When you do put up some facts most of us easily refute them. Pearson to Lycomming in 3hrs? Driving 80mph through rural PA?
    Silly old man don't you realize how idiotic you make yourself look?

    BTW I've never been divorced and I did well with my former holdings in Argentina. My dabbling allowed me to live like a rock star for 5 years. I loved it until I couldn't stand the corruption, poverty, filthiness of it all so I came back to a civilized country.

    Psst if you think you have my contact info please feel free to call or write anytime. I'll be waiting.

    sad loser

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    My most recent posts totally relate to the article on the other thread and I'm doing what I always do....challenging yours and others blind support against Argentina...

    What do you mean old...I bet I'm younger than you....
    ..lived like a rock star...? Do you mean you snorted coke and a shagged anything that moved regardless of sex...?
    So not divorced yet...still having to keep the Argentine wife whilst she is with another...? I see where the bitterness is coming from....
    It is plain to everyone that your issues have a deep rooted origin....pray do tell...

    Pearson...? I quite clearly stated from the border at Niagara....just over 3 map it...Google also agrees with me....
    I always drive about 10 mph over the's habit, in the UK they don't even bother you for that....'s m don't you know your own country....?

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  • yankeeboy

    Thank you oh masterful spell checker!! Maybe you should get a job at an online secretary organization.

    I drive through that part of PA but I've only stopped for gas there. It is too poor and rural for me to consider, not my thing by any stretch of the imagination.

    You clearly said Toronto, JFK or Dulles equal in travel time and distance. Check it yourself. Then after we reminded you about Customs you said Niagara which last I checked doesn't have a direct flight to UK. So what lying again?

    I don't know why you think I ever had an Rg wife or a separation/divorce its just another thing you are completely wrong about.

    If that's how you think rock stars live I won't burst your bubble but I can smell your jealousy from way across the Atlantic. I was thinking more on the lines of 5 people working in my amazing house and a 24hr driver/security guard. But whatever floats your boat.

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  • Voice

    All you do is fantasise...anyone can claim to be the big shot....yeah been there done that....
    I just say how it exaggerations like you.....
    The difference between you and I is ;- I have what I have and you pretend to have things you wished you had....
    BTW.....Direct flight to Niagara....? Pearson is at Toronto...didn't you know that...?
    Plenty of flights from the don't know anything do you....
    Don't you ever work...the amount of time you spend on here....
    I retired from full time work at the age of 34...because I could...what's your excuse...?

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I never lie and I know I have a blessed life.
    I have been very lucky and I appreciate everything the Gods have given to me.
    Maybe you should look at a map so you can understand the difference between Toronto and Niagara. Obviously you've never been there. I know for a fact there are no direct Niagara/UK flights (not even out of BUF).
    On my work, I made some good money right before I moved to Argentina. I thought I could retire but I was too young and got really bored. So now I dabble in short term projects that I think are going to be fun.
    There are days I am on here a lot but as I said before its usually because I have to wait around for something.
    Like now, off to meet a friend for lunch and enjoy the amazing day we're having here.

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  • Voice

    What part of Pearson is the Airport you fly into from the UK and Niagara is the border to the US...?
    Me thinks you tell a lot of Porkies...that's why you wouldn't let Pops know where you you know for a fact that Pops would make a point of meeting you.....;-)))

    It's OK to dream...just don't makes dreams your master...

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    have no NPD. Just because I suffered a brief Dissociative Fugue, does not mean I have permanent conditions.

    If you have had this condition, GET OFF THIS WEBSITE ! It is doing your mental health no good. You are just harming your own health by giving flak and getting it back tenfold

    I always drive about 10 mph over the's habit, in the UK they don't even bother you for that....

    Oh yes they do. I got 3 points on my licence for doing 69mph in a 60mph zone !

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    ...yeah Clyde I meant on the likes of the 74 and the M8....I'm always bemused when I overtake a police car at about 76 mph maintain that speed for about a mile then back to cruise control at 79 mph...
    Don't tell me you keep to 70 mph on the 74 or M8....everyone would be flying by you....still if you have just got 3 points you might want to lie low for a bit....hope you have informed your insurance company...;-)

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    As my speedos are 10% fast, you can go at an indicated 66 mph and still be only doing 60. I have checked mine with any amount of laser detectors on umpteen local roads and can confirm this 10% holds good for my car.
    The A77 is a notorious black spot for fatal accidents and the police are in evidence along it's length ....beware of dark blue BMW 5 SERIES, VOLVO S80s and MONDEO EURO STAGE V's. In addition we have average speed cameras for 38 miles along the road !
    I was done travelling down the A77 from Kennedy's pass to Ballantrae.
    A beautiful dry, sunny day at the top of the hill, I was doing about an indicated 65. I let the car run down on it's own from a height of 80 metres to sea level in about 800 metres. I was enjoying the view when I noticed a BMW coming up behind me F-A-S-T. So I thought ”he must be doing at least 100 mph to have caught up with me. I wasn't looking at my speed but waiting for him to overtake when I saw the blue flashing lights above his bumpers, OOPS !
    He was perfectly courteous and they showed me the video playback and my speed. I would have got away with it but I had kept up the same speed on the flat road for another mile ! Three points and £60. First offence in 50 years of driving. I had to be philosophical as it was the first time I had been caught !! They told me that they were actually waiting for a group of Irish bikers coming from the ferry. In the local paper at the end of the week I saw they had caught clocked at 136 mph !

    On the A74 at Abington there is a fly over which cannot be seen until you are round the bend in the road. It is a favourite place for the traffic camera. By the time you have come round the bend, at speed, it is too late. They also have sneaky cameras on the B7078 parallel to the motorway which clock cars totally unseen. Your first intimation is a NIP through the post !

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  • Troy Tempest

    74 ex con

    “Pearson...? I quite clearly stated from the border at Niagara....just over 3 map it...Google also agrees with me.... ”

    Sorry, I call bullsh!t on that one you sneaky, lying, little cretin.

    You only amended your original outrageous boast, after I pointed out you'd be an hour and a half in traffic to the border, and then, a 1 -4 hr wait to cross and clear customs - oh, but how could you forget that???

    Now you're trying to re-fight the outrageous claims you were denounced for previously.

    I guess it all looks easy when you “ google it, you'll see...”

    You shouldn't have revisited that one, why would you want to show yourself up as an ignorant shut-in, again

    Do “the kids” talk you, or are they still taking counselling over their upbringing ??

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  • Anglotino

    Another thread about A_Voice.

    FFS yawn!

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    82 Various puppets...
    1 to 4 hour wait...? obviously have never been across there....
    I've been across loads of much so that I don't even bother looking at the falls...
    Same procedure every time....they take your passport from you at the booth, tell you to drive over to the allotted parking spaces usually under the building...if full by the wall....
    Then go into the building...take the lift up one floor into a big room with seats..there is a hatch and you report there give your name and wait for an interview.....max I've waited is 15 minutes.....
    You are such a dope...desperate to catch me out...problem is.....everything I say is true so I cannot be caught out in a lie.....
    I see you are still following me about from thread to thread like a little terrier yapping at my heels....
    You will never catch me out in a lie...give up, you are embarrassing yourself..if I have so many ID's why is it I never make a mistake....
    Unlike yourself answering MM's posts...;-)))

    “Do “the kids” talk you, ”....??
    .....“It's English Jim, but not as we know it”
    I usually go over that flyover at Abington to get a coffee on my way back from Blighty (stealing sheep and pillaging) that time I've obviously slowed down for the slip ...I'll keep an eye out in future....

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    84 Voice of think

    “1 to 4 hour wait...? obviously have never been across there....
    I've been across loads of much so that I don't even bother looking at the falls...”

    Is that all you think there is to it - is that what the 'net days? Did you google that too?

    The bridge that has a view of the Fslls, is the Tourist bridge - it's slow.
    Anyone with brains takes another route.

    And, how long from Pearson to the Falls??

    You were lying then. You ARE lying now.

    You have never been across there - at least not in the past 20 years.

    It's so obvious !!!

    Did you used to slap “ the kids” to shut up in the car??

    Enough “Voice thread”.

    Let's talk about something interesting.

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    What is obvious is you have never been to Niagara falls...the main crossing is Rainbow Bridge...on the approach to Niagara there is a sign directing Lorries and commercial traffic to some other bridge, but obviously I have ignored it being in a car...
    You would only know these things if you saw the signs...
    Why don't you admit when you are beat and slink off with your tail between your.....fingers. W@nker....
    If there is anyone out there that has crossed at Niagara and gone through the customs...please tell this idiot the procedure and the description is exactly as I described....
    So tell me WTF would you be doing travelling all the way across Canada to enter the US at forget how implausible your lies are....
    Go bother someone else puppet....

    Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Voice, do you get off embarrassing yourself everyday? Troy is absolutely right nobody in their right mind would take the Rainbow bridge to go QUICKLY from Pearson into NY State.

    So are you crazy or stupid?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    87 YB

    He just walks right into it, doesn't he??


    Back on an interesting topic, instead,

    Do you think Ushuaia is 'back on the rails' yet?


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  • yankeeboy

    88. Ever get to the Shaw festival in Niagara on the Lake? I used to go many years ago but I don't make it up to Canada very often any longer. I used to love that little town it is so pretty.

    And no there's no way they've fixed anything in TDF yet.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Most of the locos on the Ush tourist railway were built in South Africa in the not to distant past.... best railway in Arg... runs on time...gets you there and back.. unlike the crap out of Once and Retiro....

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    89 YB
    Niagara on the Lake is still as beautiful, thanks.

    The Ontario wines grown in the region are very good now, too. A great place for dinner, wines, theatre, and spending the weekend. Very peaceful and idyllic.

    Southern Ontario and Upstate New York can be particularly beautiful.

    Truly, you must have crossed the bridge(s) yourself, at times.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    sounds gorgeous, maybe one day, when all the grief is over in Vzla, I will visit.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Don't rely on Voice to guide you.

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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