MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Majority of Argentines fear consequences of the default and favor continuing negotiations
A majority of the Argentine electorate is pessimistic about the consequences of the 'selective default' on the economy, but considers that negotiations with the 'holdouts' must continue, according to a public opinion poll from Poliarquia which also showed that support for president Cristina Fernandez has fallen during the last month. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA government should never follow what the majority wants. Period end of story.
Aug 13th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is what the K govt has done and being in the last 11 years... A dictatorship of the majority.
Aug 13th, 2014 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point was you have to make the decision you think are right. If they match the majority that's fine, if they do not, then so be it.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines have no clue about what is going on with the Vulture criminals. Thus their opinion is void and invalid.
Less than 2 weeks into the default and people are already seeing the economy getting strangled.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The BCRA float will disappear as more companies demand to be paid before shipping as is happening now. Their choice will be to buy fuel or buy mfg parts to keep people working.
We should see the impact in about a month or two maybe sooner if its cold. It so hard to tell home much U$ they actually have, everyone knows its not u$29B, most of that is Arg Treasury bonds and swaps. My guess is they have about U$6B in float. Not much and its not going to last much longer.
I think Anses is out of cash too.
tick tock
@4
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot even read properly, let alone make financial predictions. Read the article again, you are embarrassing yourself.
As CFK is being hauled to jail someone hear her mumble Vaca Muerte..
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0they're trying to steal Vaca..muerte
muerte...
tee hee
Oh my, what an ignominious episode of discomfiture . You are now merely type-mumbling senseless non-sequiturs.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should seek out whitefered assistance.
Seems we have gone full circle with tobi's box of personalities. He lost control of the Chinaman, his RG ego overpowered his self control. I hate saying this but I can hardly wait to see this all unravel. I also have to say tobi does not have the pulse of the people down.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobi why the new name?
Simple, Alistair Nigel is an anglo name. I do not wish any association with them.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you are indigenous....what tribe?
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not discuss my background with foreigners.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Embarrassed. I understand
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, what is your point here? Seriously, after nearly 3 years of battles here, I am ready for some honesty.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is it that you want from Argentina?
Nothing for me.......but much for the “working” class in Argentina. Whether you believe or not is irrelevant,I do have family there that pay for Kirchner's stupidity and corruption. Nobody that thinks pork is great for sex should be a leader.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
Misery Quotes, by winston churchill
A guy whose performance is based on dissembling, multiple handles, and abuse wants honesty? How funny is that?
Aug 14th, 2014 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The end is nigh for CFK.........everyone else can see it except her.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kicillof will have to decide soon whether he stands and falls with her and loses the remaining credibility he once had, or make his own escape plans.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/167022/tomada-meets-with-employees-of-donnelley-printing-firm
Aug 14th, 2014 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are going down the drain in Argentina and still they blame anyone else but the true culprits called the Argentina Government who have screwed with Mr Market.
@13. Honesty? You wouldn't know honesty if it got up and chewed your balls off. Assuming you have or have ever had balls.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is it we want from argieland? Wait and find out. It'll be what we TAKE.
@13. Argentina to give up its vindictive and wholly fraudulent claim to the Falkland Islands, concentrating its efforts instead on managing the 23 provinces it does have.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it were to do that 95% of posters on here would disappear overnight.
Most turn up to mock the people that are pursuing the above claim, applauding reports of their ineptitude, revelling in their incompetence and finding endless entertainment in their repeated, theatrical failures in governance.
That people on here bite, is just a bonus.
Its a shame that these pages have turned you from an articulate eccentric, to a paranoid isolationist and extreme xenophobe given the reason why most people are here. Particularly given that if you didn't bite, a fair few would lose interest.
Honest enough for you ?
@18 As usual you are completely delusional
Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote: “What is it we want from argieland? Wait and find out. It'll be what we TAKE.”
Do you really think you are going to get a piece of the pie?
Not even the US government is going to see a cent from Argentina as the low life filth Singer puts his extreme wealth in offshore tax havens.
Don't let your hatred for Argentina cloud the fact that Singer is not out to help hungry children.
He is a venom spitting snake as is our president here in Argentina.
what do I want, well personally i'd like the following:-
Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Argentina to grow up and take its place in the developed world, this is done by
a) paying debts
b) Playing a part in the world stage by providing aid, peacekeeping forces etc
2) stop harrassing the falklands. If you think you have a case, go to the ICJ. The falklanders have earnt their right to self determination. Leave them alone, and let everyone move on
3) Admit to crimes against the indigenous population of south america, and apologise. Any remaining tribes / decendants should be granted some form of payment and settlement terms. Admitting that argentina is actually a colonialised country and the original inhabitants were murdered.
4) Stop indoctrination of school children and let them learn about the world from other countries, not the lies forced on by a corrupt government
5) and finally, stop wasting money on paying little kids (or sad grown ups) who either live in their mummies basement, or above little laundries while they work in a resturant, to spread lies and insult tax payers and honest people as they try to dispell the myths and lies spread by the argentine government.
If thats not possible, pass me some more popcorn as I continue to watch the comedy unfold
And today in the papers Capitanich is saying that the US justice system and the vultures are in this together...blame, blame, blame....oh what a shame.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Not even the US government is going to see a cent from Argentina as the low life filth Singer puts his extreme wealth in offshore tax havens.”
Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0We Americans must be confused. Please enlighten us as to what the US government is seeking from Argentina? The government is not seeking nor in need of the last cents that Argentina does/might have. SO why would the US government except money from Argentina? This is the problem with you RG's, you equate government and business and law in the same group. You poor insufferable bastards. As long as you keep her in office.......masochism must be the theme.
@23 I used the US government to show that even they will not gain from Singer being paid as he hides all his wealth offshore.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0More to the point is that Conquerer will not benefit from Argentina paying the vultures.
It is still a lost point. The US government has nothing whatsoever to do with Argentina's mess. But this I ask you:
Aug 14th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When one borrows money, who gains/benefits?
When it is paid back, who gains/benefits?
And a very simple follow up, why do you refuse to pay back what your borrowed?
20. Paul Singer donates a LOT of money to charities. A LOT!! Probably more than you whole country donates to worldwide causes. The last humanitarian effort from Argentina I can remember was many year ago and was donating 100K bottles of water to Haiti. Right?
Aug 14th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He won, has a ruling and deserves to get paid every cent.
How can you dispute that?
Your huffing, puffing and whining just makes you look dim witted.
@25 & 26 I do think Argentina should pay it back. But not the amount they want.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In a situation like this everyone needs to make concessions.
Especially those who bought junk bonds in default. They knew what they were getting into.
I have a big problem with the ethics of how these vultures operate.
They do not produce anything of value or service to anyone but themselves. NML capital= a morally bankrupt company.
Yes I know our govt has it's own ethics problems also.
27. You are very misinformed, these types of funds are essential to provide liquidity to a market.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They bought debt, took the risk, fought with their own money for payment and deserve what the court ruled.
If you don't understand that you obviously have very little knowledge of how business works in the civilized world.
28 You call extorting 9 x the original debt (10 million to 90 million) from a poor country like Congo Civilized?
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24. What makes you think I won't benefit?
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here are some potential benefits. I will see a belligerent, corrupt, criminal, larcenous, mendacious state brought to its knees, or possibly to its belly. I may see a corrupt, criminal, thief with nowhere to go. I may be able to see argies in the streets suffering from malnutrition in retribution for what argieland has tried to do to the Falkland Islands. While it's on its knees, perhaps we can get argieland ejected from various organisations to which it has no right to belong. The UN. The IMF. The World Bank. G20. We can also do everything we can to get the maximum number of countries to break off relations with argieland.
All terrific benefits. And doesn't argieland still owe the UK for money it borrowed and then used to buy warships? So we can take the money or the ships. Might tow them out to that dredged channel and scuttle them. We can be really inventive.
29. Yep. A contract is a contract. If there are no rules to abide by there is anarchy.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't “extort” money from someone that owes you the money. It's called collection in the civilized world.
You must not be in business.
#29 do you understand the time value of money? Apparently not. 13 years of unpaid interest adds up fast. Pay it in the first place and it would have been less than twice the original amount.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You call demanding actions that one agreed to and signed a contract over extortion?
Extortion:
The obtaining of property from another induced by WRONGFUL use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear.
All MNL actions are spelled out in the contract your government signed. You and your government are insane. You keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. Drop your cocks and grab your socks and now grab onto a little reality for a change of pace.
I am not defending my government, I think they screwed up big time.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why didn't the govt buy the bonds back when NML was able to years ago ?
The value of junk bonds is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
It has already been established they are a deadbeat payer and a high chance you may not get whats in the contract.
33. All contracts carry risk. NML took on the risk when nobody else would, that's why he paid what he did.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He won
He will get paid
@13
Aug 14th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will give you honesty.
What bought me to this website was my interest in the Falklands, at the time I struggled to understand why Argentina believed it had a case, and this was one of the few sites where the topic was being discussed in English.
Whilst being here, further information from various posters to various sources, have if anything made me more certain that Argentina knows what it is telling its own population is fundamentally misleading.
There have been 2-3 very telling posts...
Think told us that it was “in the Argentine National archives” that 55 people had been evicted on January 6th 1833, and 55 of those were the crew of the SS Sarandi that arrived six weeks earlier.
malvinese1833 told us that he couldn't explain Argentinas claim except it was “a feeling, a belief, held by all Argentines that they wouldn't be complete without the islands”
You may indeed point to greater acts of dishonesty, or greater government lies (both British and Argentine), but this one is dear to many of us who remember 1982.
So, what would we like from Argentina.
A full, total, unequivocal renouncing of the Malvinas myth. A full and total apology to the islanders for the current behaviour, and a perminant removal of any claim to the South Atlantic territories.
It would be nice if Argentina changed its stance on trade, international relations and lost its penchant for corrupt governments...but that's democracy warts and all...in the end it's the Argentina people who suffer for the governments they elect.
You asked for honesty....hopefully you got it.
@35. Do you understand “uti possidetis”? Look it up. It's a principle in international law that territory and other property remains with its possessor at the end of a conflict. Originating in Roman law, the phrase is derived from the Latin expression uti possidetis, ita possideatis, meaning “may you continue to possess such as you do possess”. According to research, this was last confirmed by the ICJ in 1986. 1986 Case Burkina-Faso v Mali. Your comment is about a hundred years out of date. Argieland has NO claim to any British Islands in the South Atlantic. It has NO claim to any British territory in the Antarctic. Note that it only “claimed” British territory under nazi direction. Peron was, demonstrably, a Hitler bumboy. NOTHING before 1982 is relevant. Attacked, we responded. We beat the shit out of argieland and forced it to surrender. Or we could have killed the lot. Quit giving shite a chance. I have a few exceptions in mind but, for the most part, may argies burn in hell for eternity. Wander around. See if you can find a human being.
Aug 14th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 4n control (TTT)
Aug 14th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am ready for some honesty. What is it that you want from Argentina?”
I have been on here for more than three years and I can tell you what I honestly want from Argentina.
1) Stop bullying Uruguay just because you can. TMBOA makes you all look like a bunch of cowardly thugs.
2) Stop using our electricity without paying for it. Bit too close to having a loan and not paying it back though, so I suppose we will never see OUR money back.. I pay taxes here so it IS our money.
3) Stop sending the crap you ‘manufacture’ over here expecting us to buy it anyway. The junk you manufacture is amazing; I am at a loss as to how you get away with it in your own country nevermind exporting it.
4) Remove the Malvinas crap from your constitution, stop warping young minds to the lies about the ‘Malvinas’ and apologise to the Islanders for making their life less happy than it could easily be.
So there are four little ‘problems’: let’s hear the honesty then.
This made me laugh so much lol - https://uk.news.yahoo.com/argentina-says-anti-terror-law-against-u-printing-030637150--sector.html#cvxVF4l
Aug 15th, 2014 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder Argentina is in the shit when with this stupid woman in charge. Hell shes basically saying its fraud for investors to withdraw their money from funding the Argentine based arm of the US Based Parent company, when in the real world its the investors money and they can do what they like with their money. Her view is no different to saying any one withdrawing money from their bank account is fraud, as any one with a bank account with money in is, technically, an investor in the bank as the money is used by the bank to fund their day to day trading activities.
As for using Argentine anti terrorism laws, well that just says all that needs to be said and is clear sign of a desperate woman lol
IT'S JUST A POLL, DON'T TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY.
Aug 18th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think that the results of polls should be ignored, but it would be too stupid to make a religion of their numbers.
It's well known that many of them are manipulated on behalf of those who pay for them.
While poliarquia says that the support to c.f.k. dropped from 47% to 41%, another poll called cemop, says that the support to her administration grew to more than 54%, and it happened mostly because of it's posture in the conflict against the vultures, then, which one should i take like reliable?.
Sorry for those who praise what polls say, but i only believe in the result of elections, polls are all relative, and i think it's the best way to take them.
If the number of people who think that this problem is mostly because of the government's mistakes, is higuer than those who think the contrary, it's not something sorprising, due to this kind problems are too abstract for most people, because they don't have enough knowledge about what law says.
What really matters is what c. f.k' government is doing, in order to protect the national sovereignty from the pretentions of the vultures.
It's always necesary to remind that neather singer, nor any other vulture have never lent any money to argentina, they just bought sovereign debt bones at a very low price, and when the country started recovering it' self, they started litigating in a corporate justice, with the purpose of getting a huge profi. If anybody wants to believe the contrary, it doesn't change the facts.
Ans yet you still fail to see and accept the damage she has done to Argentina..............fortunately others do.
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